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TOPIC: Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:27 pm
From: "Mark K. Bilbo"
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:53:01 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>
>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>
>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a waste
>>>>>>>>>> of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies
>>>>>>>>>> involving more than 11,000 people found that taking the tablets
>>>>>>>>>> had no effect on the average person.
>
>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>
>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>
>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>
>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>
>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>
>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a medical expert
>>>> yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining vitamens via vegetables is
>>>> immensely better than any pill. Further, much of what's on the market
>>>> is dreck. At least in the US, the suppliment market is totally
>>>> unregulated and you can put pretty much anything into a bottle and
>>>> call it anything you want.
>
>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your veggies...
>
>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>
>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>
>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>
> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>> that's certainly uninteresting.
>
> Pathetic.
>
>> My point is that whatever effectiveness any vitamen has,
>> supplimentation is the least effective way of obtaining it.
>
> Irrelevant when its clearly been shown that Vitamin C in any form DOES
> NOT PREVENT COLDS.
>
>> Particularly given the totally deregulated nature of the suppliment
>> industry. There's nothing at all to make them actually put in the
>> bottle what they claim on the label...
>
> Pity that with Vitamin C that they do have vitamin C in them anyway, AND
> ITS CLEARLY BEEN SHOWN THAT VITAMIN C IN ANY FORM DOESNT PREVENT COLDS.
That's nice.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:31 pm
From: William Souden
Sam Jones wrote:
>
> The Lancet never ever had any article about spontaneous human combustion, fuckwit.
>
Welfare boy using a new name as more people have killfiled him.
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:32 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your veggies...
>
> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>
> Vegetarians still get colds.
>
>
But a minute ago (literally) you were sam jones.
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of
>>>>>>>>>>> 30 studies involving more than 11,000 people found that
>>>>>>>>>>> taking the tablets had no effect on the average person.
>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a medical
>>>>> expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining vitamens via
>>>>> vegetables is immensely better than any pill. Further, much of
>>>>> what's on the market is dreck. At least in the US, the suppliment
>>>>> market is totally unregulated and you can put pretty much
>>>>> anything into a bottle and call it anything you want.
>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your veggies...
>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>>> that's certainly uninteresting.
>> Pathetic.
>>> My point is that whatever effectiveness any vitamen has,
>>> supplimentation is the least effective way of obtaining it.
>> Irrelevant when its clearly been shown that Vitamin C
>> in any form DOES NOT PREVENT COLDS.
>>> Particularly given the totally deregulated nature of the
>>> suppliment industry. There's nothing at all to make them
>>> actually put in the bottle what they claim on the label...
>> Pity that with Vitamin C that they do have vitamin C in them anyway, AND ITS CLEARLY
>> BEEN SHOWN THAT VITAMIN C IN ANY FORM DOESNT PREVENT COLDS.
> That's nice.
That's pathetic.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:08 pm
From: Ben Kaufman
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:34:57 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>> Geoff <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>
>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>
>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a waste
>>>>>>>>>> of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies
>>>>>>>>>> involving more than 11,000 people found that taking the
>>>>>>>>>> tablets had no effect on the average person.
>
>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>
>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>
>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>
>>>>>> That one is somewhat effective.
>
>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>> They did controlled tests.
>
>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>> According to my box of Cold-Eeze it says,
>
>>>> "shown to be effective in reducing the severity of symptoms by 42%
>>>> and duration by 3 to 4 days in two double blind placebo controlled
>>>> clinical studies. Cleveland Clinic Mossad et al., Annals of Internal
>>>> Medicien, Vol. 125, No 2 July 15, 1996 and Dartmouth College Godfrey
>>>> et al., Journal of International Medical Research, Vol. 20 No 3, June 1992.
>
>>> Pity about the other ones that showed no effect.
>
>>>> http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/125/2/81
>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1397668&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
>
>>> Pity that says the exact opposite of what you claim on the question
>>> of PREVENTING colds, what was being discussed in the Vitamin C
>>> study. It had absolutely NO effect on PREVENTING colds at all.
>
>>>> And this one reports mixed results.
>
>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=9475824&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
>
>>> Same problem, that isnt even discussing what was being discussed,
>>> PREVENTING colds.
>
>> Wrong.
>
>Nope.
>
>> Read the last sentence of the original message
>> ".... had NO EFFECT on the average person."
>
>Pity about the first sentence which clearly says
>"Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>is a waste of time and money, say researchers."
>
>> No effect means it would not reducing symptoms and duration either.
>
>Wrong when the first sentence which clearly says
>"Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>is a waste of time and money, say researchers"
>
>Its clearly talking about no effect on PREVENTING
>a cold, not on the symptoms after you get one.
>
>> And before you try to say that is the wrong interpretation,
>
>Your clearly is just that.
>
>> read the article "...For most people, the benefit of taking
>> vitamin C supplements is so slight when it comes to colds
>> that it is not worth the effort or expense, the authors say. ..."
>
>Different matter entirely to PREVENTING a cold.
>
>That study you cited actually says very unambiguously
>that zinc does NOTHING to PREVENT a cold.
>
That's correct, as I said, zinc is somewhat effective against colds..
Ben
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:20 pm
From: Michael Gray
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:04 -0400, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>Ben Kaufman wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>According to my box of Cold-Eeze it says,
>>
>>"shown to be effective in reducing the severity of symptoms by 42% and duration
>>by 3 to 4 days in two double blind placebo controlled clinical studies.
>>Cleveland Clinic Mossad et al., Annals of Internal Medicien, Vol. 125, No 2 July
>>15, 1996 and Dartmouth College Godfrey et al., Journal of International Medical
>>Research, Vol. 20 No 3, June 1992.
>>
>>http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/125/2/81
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1397668&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
>>
>>And this one reports mixed results.
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=9475824&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
>>
>>Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Facts will mean nothing to speed.
>
>He will simply reply something along the line of it being a a
>pig-ignorant lie about a steaming turd in a wet paper bag.
>
>suggestion -kill file him and move on.
Excellent advice, judging by my limited interaction with the insane
maniac to date.
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:19 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
>
> That's pathetic.
>
>
Not as p0athetic as you posing as yourself and then sam jones in
under a minute,welfare boy.
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:22 pm
From: Michael Gray
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:32:24 GMT, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your veggies...
>>
>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>>
>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>>
>>
> But a minute ago (literally) you were sam jones.
A minute ago he was still insane, too.
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:25 pm
From: Michael Gray
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:47:03 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:56:03 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:41:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:58 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:15:00 -0400, "Wilson" <wilson@universal.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/
>>>nvit118.xml
>>>>>
>>>>>Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a waste of
>>>>> time
>>>>>and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies involving more than
>>>>>11,000 people found that taking the tablets had no effect on the
>>>>>average person.
>>>>
>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>
>>>Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>
>> Nope.
>> Last month in fact.
>>
>> See a previous response to another doubter which refers to a study
>> published in "The Lancet".
>
>That's a meta-study. I'd be leery of jumping on a bandwagon with only a
>meda-study holding it up. Especially not when double-blind trials are
>showing no effect.
>
>The suppliment bunch retorted with, "The traditional scientific model
>does not always apply to dietary supplements..."
Which is a VERY strong pointer that the Scientific Results reflect
reality!
Whenever you hear that, it is RED FLAG time.
They said exactly the same thing after each abject and utter failure
of Homeopathy under "reality" conditions.
>http://tinyurl.com/yvlpyb
>
>Which sounds a lot like faith to me...
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:26 pm
From: Michael Gray
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:52:38 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:59:32 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:24:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1184864791.227417.287750@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:15 am, "Wilson" <wil...@universal.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit1...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a waste
>>>>>> of time
>>>>>> and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies involving more
>>>>>> than 11,000 people found that taking the tablets had no effect on
>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>
>>>> not true. wonder what mgs were tested. it used to be that when
>>>> i felt a cold/flu
>>>> coming on, i'd load up on vit c--20 GRAMS or so. knocked it right
>>>> out. no
>>>> nothing. i even tested it once and let myself get to feeling sick,
>>>> just to be sure i
>>>> was going to get sick, and same thing. gone in a day or two.
>>>>
>>>> now i just take garlic and echinacea and i NEVER get sick. neither does dh.
>>>
>>>I dont take a damned thing and never get a cold either.
>>
>>And that proves what, exactly?
>
>That he's never French kissed Cortney Love. :-)
Oh, please!
I had just finished breakfast and I want it to stay down.
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:26 pm
From: Michael Gray
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:58:49 GMT, William_Wingstedt@comcast.net
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:44:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jon v Leipzig <JVL@myday.com> wrote:
>>> snex wrote:
>>>> On Jul 18, 11:15 pm, "Wilson" <wil...@universal.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit1...
>>>>>
>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>
>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a waste
>>>>> of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies
>>>>> involving more than 11,000 people found that taking the tablets had
>>>>> no effect on the average person.
>>>>
>>>> everybody knows vitamin C only cures cancer, DUH.
>>
>>> Was a book on that written 30 years ago.
>>
>>Pity it was a steaming turd.
>>
>>> The $$Big Bucks$$ cancer industry isn't interested.
>>
>>Because it was a steaming turd.
>
>When it seems like everything is a steaming turd, it's a good sign you
>need your diapers changed.
Or moved to the head region.
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Geoff <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30
>>>>>>>>>>> studies involving more than 11,000 people found that taking
>>>>>>>>>>> the tablets had no effect on the average person.
>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>>>>>> That one is somewhat effective.
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>> They did controlled tests.
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>> According to my box of Cold-Eeze it says,
>>>>> "shown to be effective in reducing the severity of symptoms by 42%
>>>>> and duration by 3 to 4 days in two double blind placebo controlled
>>>>> clinical studies. Cleveland Clinic Mossad et al., Annals of Internal
>>>>> Medicien, Vol. 125, No 2 July 15, 1996 and Dartmouth College Godfrey
>>>>> et al., Journal of International Medical Research, Vol. 20 No 3, June 1992.
>>>> Pity about the other ones that showed no effect.
>>>>> http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/125/2/81
>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1397668&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
>>>> Pity that says the exact opposite of what you claim on the question
>>>> of PREVENTING colds, what was being discussed in the Vitamin C
>>>> study. It had absolutely NO effect on PREVENTING colds at all.
>>>>> And this one reports mixed results.
>>>> Same problem, that isnt even discussing what was being discussed, PREVENTING colds.
>>> Wrong.
>> Nope.
>>> Read the last sentence of the original message
>>> ".... had NO EFFECT on the average person."
>> Pity about the first sentence which clearly says
>> "Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>> is a waste of time and money, say researchers."
>>> No effect means it would not reducing symptoms and duration either.
>> Wrong when the first sentence which clearly says
>> "Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>> is a waste of time and money, say researchers"
>> Its clearly talking about no effect on PREVENTING
>> a cold, not on the symptoms after you get one.
>>> And before you try to say that is the wrong interpretation,
>> Your clearly is just that.
>>> read the article "...For most people, the benefit of taking
>>> vitamin C supplements is so slight when it comes to colds
>>> that it is not worth the effort or expense, the authors say. ..."
>> Different matter entirely to PREVENTING a cold.
>> That study you cited actually says very unambiguously
>> that zinc does NOTHING to PREVENT a cold.
> That's correct, as I said, zinc is somewhat effective against colds..
Pity what was clearly being discussed was PREVENTION of colds.
You made a VERY spectacular fool of yourself indeed when you couldnt even
manage to read and comprehend what is a VERY simple first sentence in the quote.
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:38 pm
From: "Bob F"
"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:gZaoi.3$Vc2.2@newsfe21.lga...
> dfr wrote:
>
>>
>>At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
>>They get to kill each other there instead.
>>
>>
> That's what has me completely baffled.
>
> 1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they could cause
> much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because GW has told them to
> stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.
>
> 2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would claim
> visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.
I think you are missing something if you think Bush ever intends to leave, As
soon as we leave, any chance of them passing and following the proposed oil act
will be gone. Then what would have been the point of invading? They aren't
building those permanent bases and embassy for nothing.
Bob
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 5:53 pm
From: "dfr"
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> "clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
> news:gZaoi.3$Vc2.2@newsfe21.lga...
>> dfr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
>>> They get to kill each other there instead.
>>>
>>>
>> That's what has me completely baffled.
>>
>> 1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they
>> could cause much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because
>> GW has told them to stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.
>>
>> 2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would
>> claim visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.
> I think you are missing something if you think Bush ever intends to leave,
His intentions are completely irrelevant.
> As soon as we leave, any chance of them passing and following
> the proposed oil act will be gone. Then what would have been the
> point of invading? They aren't building those permanent bases and
> embassy for nothing.
The shrub gets no say what so ever on leaving once he's been given the
bums rush at the next election, he doesnt even get to run at the next election.
So he gets no say what so ever on leaving.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 7:07 pm
From: "Joseph"
snip
> >
> > Unless you're going to send him a birthday present, why would you care? This is a NG for HVAC Techs to BS and
> > discuss whatever shit they may encounter during the day. You seem to be a one trick pony, and believe me UV is not
> > interesting enough to talk about every day.
> >
> > IMHO, Joseph
> >
> >> --
> >> Jim - UV-C Light Purification
> >> e-mail: jsm@uvclightpurification.com
> >> website: uvclightpurification.com
> >
> > That's all you need for a sig, the rest does come off as spam.
> >
> >
> >
> No, this is an open public newsgroup to discuss HVAC (alt.hvac). If
> some of you have been here for 12 years or any that just came here. You > should be honored and not insulting or
argumentative towards people who
> would value you opinion and asks questions. If you want your own
> private HVAC club or newsgroup, who's stopping you, go do it. But this
> is public.
Bingo! HVAC not alt.IAQ. Insults usually come to those who are deserving, most here if proven wrong admit it and
move on. Arguement is how to find out who is wrong. also most here choose not to take the pissy HOs to seriously.
Yes, some of the comments are rough but that's life deal with it. This is our group and who the f--k are you to come in
and tell us how to act in it?
>
>
> Plus Joe Bill is the one that pushed the issue about the signature (as I > have said in other posts) and it seems I am
the only one that has one
> for the most part. He just wanted to know who I was, again claiming
> that I was spamming. Well that was over a month ago and I am still here > "talking" not spamming. I did not have one
and since Bill pushed the
> issue for me to put it in, claiming that nothing in the signature was > spam.
I didn't say it was spam, I said it comes off as spam in apperance. I have been around awhile, things have
definated changed over the years but if you are looking to join a group, you might want to lurk and be a little more
respectful to the group. You came in pushing a sigle topic... and it does sound like a sales pitch and you sound like
your trying to sell UV.
>
> Now if I took the time to do what was asked, told I could put anything
> in it, being the only one with one. What is there is what I preferred
> and like. Now others in here have had more than just their name and
> e-mail in a signature.
>
> I am proud of who I am and what I do, people actually benefit in many
> ways from these systems, it not just selling another product that may
> eventually end up in a closet or the basement being useless. People,
> children, company's actually save money, gain health benefits and extend > the life of the HVAC unit. No other
product to my knowledge provides
> the public and private sector with such aspects.
>
> No, not sending anyone anything, but if you choose to be disrespectful
> and abuse people in here, man up and tell the world who you are.
>
> I didn't ask to talk about UV everyday and I have been reading different > posts here to learn more about HVAC than I
already know (as I have said
> since day one). But I do believe that if I see something (as in this
> post), have an opinion about something, a question or answer I should be > entitled to say it just as you do or anyone
else that chooses to do so
> here as well.
Well your sig line sure talks about it every time you post.
> --
>
> Jim - UV-C Light Purification
> e-mail: jsm@uvclightpurification.com
> --------------------------
> HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
> *Viruses and *Bacteria.
> *Downstream Air Purification
That would even be less blaring as to what your selling.
Just my two cents, JRP
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:01 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:lT6oi.55$Q81.16@newsfe12.lga...
> Read the post K I can't just keep typing over and over again the same
> old stuff.
Include it in your two page sig line... LOL
UV-C will make your HVAC equipment last longer, says the little green man.
LMAO
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:04 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:V2boi.187$lj7.161@newsfe12.lga...
> Bill learn to read then retain information and then you will understand.
> Plenty has been provided in writing and they back up my statements and
> there is plenty on the website. I didn't invent nor develop UC-V
> technology and I never claimed to.
>
> Just as you didn't invent or develop HVAC your a brainless tech, who i
> would be surprised if you could even fix an HVAC system. So does that
> make you a lier and play with the truth when you give advice or do you
> rely on the knowledge that what has been taught to you.
>
> Get a grip on reality and for God sakes please stop breathing fouled
> air, you may be living proof that poor IAQ could have adverse effects on
> a humans brain. Wait with the way you talk, are you human? We never
> had the opportunity to discuss that. Because you repeat the same old
> boring ridiculous statements over and over again.
Please learn the difference between your and you're...
BTW, how's your shit make HVAC equipment last longer? LOL
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:13 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:cR6oi.54$Q81.19@newsfe12.lga...
> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> > "Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote
in
> > message news:HQ5oi.32$lj7.3@newsfe12.lga...
> >
> >> Something just came to mind. I would be willing to bet that you had
the
> >> same narrow minded opinions when pc's were developed, but now you can't
> >> keep your mouth shut on one. Please let me to be the first to know
when
> >> and where your first purchase of UV-C is.
> >
> >
> > I will NEVER purchase anything from YOU!!!
> >
> > BTW, why is it again that you care WHERE I make purchases?
> > I've told you before, I don't swing your way!! Never WILL!!!
> >
> > Now that's cleared up... shut the fuck up, you lying retard.
> >
> >
> That's fine with me. It seems that you claim it is BS and does not
> work, lies. So I want to know when you purchase because I bet that one
> day you will and I would bet that one day you would try to sell it. But
> I hope that no one would be stupid enough to purchase a product from you
> or sell to you about a product that you have said so many negative
> things about.
Jim, take your bullshit somewhere else... no one here is buying.
Your product shortens the life of equipment. <--- now there's a true
statement for ya!
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:16 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:qm5oi.27$lj7.18@newsfe12.lga...
> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> > "Tony" <t.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:LHSki.3283$Y_3.2444@trnddc04...
> >> KJPRO the only qualification you have
> >> kiddy garden and that would be to advance for you
> >> I am suggesting more like day care.
> >> son grow up.
> >> Tony
> >
> >
> > Facts hurt you , Eh?
> >
> > Sorry...
> >
> >
> Wow Kjpro more people have formed some interesting opinions of you.
> Hmm,, Maybe it is you.
Yeah, you don't know Tony very well... he's very well liked around here...
LMAO
Who you going to use next, your brother Stormy? LOL
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 10:18 pm
From: "Jeffrey Lebowski"
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:Po2oi.4$Q81.0@newsfe12.lga...
> You should be honored and not insulting or argumentative towards > people
who
Go fuck off you shithead spamming cocksucker.
--
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:24 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:2B6oi.44$Q81.40@newsfe12.lga...
> B-Hate-Me wrote:
> > "Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote
in
> > message news:TF5oi.31$lj7.14@newsfe12.lga...
> >>> What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".
> >>>
> >>> If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
> >>> here,
> >>> I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.
> >
> > You're nothing but a shill, a charlatan selling snake oil.
> >
> > UV lights suck and so do you.
> >
> >
> Learn about advances in your industry and support what you claim. I
> sure can.
Then where's the proof that your product extends the life of HVAC equipment?
I'll be waiting... but, I sure won't be holding my breath!
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TOPIC: Does closing off unused bedrooms and vents really save electricity for
AC?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 6:33 pm
From: "Don K"
"snotbottom" <snotbottom@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184971784.468822.80330@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> In shutting down rooms, close the vents rather than merely closing
> doors. Closing doors isn't going to stop the airflow, because of the
> 1-2" gap at the bottom of the doors in your house. Those are there
> deliberately to allow the air from the vents to flow into the room and
> out under the door through the house back to the intake on the system
I regularly open and close various vents to balance the temperature
throughout the house, depending on the season. In winter, I keep all
vents open, but in the summer I close some 1st floor vents to
force more cool air to the 2nd floot.
For an unused room, I will both close the vent and keep the door
closed to help insulate the rest of the house from that room.
Don
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 7:14 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"Zilbandy" <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
news:vvq1a31laff6tqsf6mne7dmsaljpdhrt2o@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:51:24 -0700, mikeerdas@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>Spoke with an HVAC person recently and they said they thought closing
>>doors and the ceiling vents wouldn't do much; that air is still being
>>sent to the rooms (he called it dead air) even if the ceiling vents
>>were closed.
>
> I'd use another HVAC person if I were you. If you close off a vent,
> MOST of the air that would normally go to that room will be blocked.
> That will result in higher pressure in the ductwork which means more
> air to the other rooms. This should result in the other rooms cooling
> quicker and lower the amount of time the compressor has to run.
> Result? Lower power bills.
i dunno. a/c systems are sized to the ft2 and turns in the runs or
something
like that. you don't want an a/c that's too large or too small for the
job.
so closing too many vents might make it too large for the job. my son
does hvac, but he's out of town so i can't ask him.
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TOPIC: Frugality
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/81cf39459b6c226b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 7:31 pm
From: baseballrules@mail.com
Check it out: www.BrandonsMansion.com
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TOPIC: Breast-Feeding: Private Act or Public Right?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d9ae679497789a49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 8:48 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid
In article <8dydncTAKZGUsT3bnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
> news:bearclaw-E175EE.21494019072007@news.supernews.com...
> > In article <IIqdndN3tra7KgLbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Bob F"
> > <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > if all who don't want children would abstain, there'd be no
> >> > reason to choose anything. just don't do it unless you both
> >> > want children.
> >>
> >> Get real! What a boring world that would be.
> >
> > You think a world without abused, sick, malnourished, neglected,
> > shunned and otherwise unwanted children is boring?
>
> I'd hate to live in your world. There are plenty of ways to have
> healthy and joyful sex without producing unwanted babies.
>
> Bob
Surprise! You do live in my world. I sincerely appreciate it if you do
not contribute to the mess. You certainly seem adept at stepping around
it.
But why waste your time driveling on Usenet when you could be out in the
world spreading consciousness about healthy and joyous ways of avoiding
the gravid condition? Start in Darfur, perhaps, or Somalia or Ethiopia.
Oh, wait: those don't exist in your world. No children in your world too
weak to brush away the flies that crawl across their eyes.
Okay, how about closer to home? You could pass out condoms in Harlem or
Appalachia, where pre-pubes from good, solid Christian households easily
abide sin-fucking but not sin-aborting because God forgives one but not
the other. What? Those don't exist either?
But just think: when they all see how healthy and joyous sex can be
while watching TV and eating baked beans from a can, you can engage in
some of it yourself, perhaps with one or more of your happy and joyous
students.
Of course, in my world, people would have to be educated about their
contraceptive and fertility options before anyone starts preaching the
gospel of sexual gratification. But that's just me and everyone knows
that I am just nutz about lernin'. ( I like it even better than joyous
and healthy sex!)
I can't believe how much and how appropriately this particular thread
drift reminds me of Mel Brooks' Young Frankenstein mating with
whatzername. Now, *there* was healthy and joyous sex.
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