Frugal Living: Sep 8, 2008

Monday, September 8, 2008

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TOPIC: Got a loud refrigerator, can't afford a new one, what would you do?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/26165df6108177e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 11:01 pm
From: Jeff

BirdWatcher2008@gmail.com wrote:
> My kitchen is open and the loud noise is anywhere in my home.
>
> Put some blankets over the fridge but this does not help?

Not a good idea anyways.

Since you've said absolutely nothing about what the noise is or where it
is coming from, and the crystal ball is on loan, I can only guess.

If this is a buzz or a rattle it may be the compressor. The compressor
is suspended from springs in an oil filled enclosure. If the
refrigerator is not level, or if one of these springs has weakened the
compressor will touch a side and vibrate against it. You can see if this
is the problem by leaning the refrigerator slightly in one direction or
another. That would also be your "fix".

And Don is absolutely right. Refrigerators have come a long way in
efficiency.

I'm not an appliance tech, so my understanding of this may be a bit off.

Jeff

>
> Any ideas for me?
>
> Joe

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 4:46 am
From: Al Bundy

On Sep 8, 12:17 am, BirdWatcher2...@gmail.com wrote:
> My kitchen is open and the loud noise is anywhere in my home.
>
> Put some blankets over the fridge but this does not help?
>
> Any ideas for me?
>
> Joe

Google the appliance repair sites like repairclinic.com and they can
walk you through the problem.
The blankets will only cause damage to the appliance by overheating
it.
If the refrigerator works other than the noise, you may only have a
bad fan or something may have contacted the fan and makes the noise
like a kid with a card or stick in the spokes of his bike. The repair
sites will help you check.

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TOPIC: Maurice Lacroix Indy 500 Prices
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 12:24 am
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TOPIC: Green House remote wireless thermometer
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/da8b3920ae37e31c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 12:24 am
From: William

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TOPIC: Recall/suffocation hazard: If you have these cushions, throw them out.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bfb98df7bee174c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 1:01 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml90/90077.html

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(seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJrXB5GP2Iw )

U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission

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Firm is out of business. Do not use these products. Please discard or
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT:

Originally issued April 19, 1990; Revised June 21, 2001

(301) 504-0580

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firms.

Baby-Minder is a fabric covered, polystyrene pellet-filled cushion
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TOPIC: Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece - Maurice Lacroix Watches
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: earn online from home
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 2:29 am
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TOPIC: Wage Depression from Illegal aliens
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 2:48 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

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>
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TOPIC: Anything wrong with canned tomatoes?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7fb7868def5d6f0e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 4:08 am
From: clams_casino

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:15:02 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
>>>a dollar an ear.
>>>
>>>
>>Are you showing unusual restraint here, or are you just tired? ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Both. I know the price is a fix and that our ex-neighbors in Florida
>can get them for 20 cents an ear.
>
>

Our best local corn is going for 40 cents an ear - down from the 50
cents several weeks ago for non native corn.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 5:42 am
From: John Savage

nonsense@mynonsense.net writes:
>Canned tomatoes are around 1/4'th the price of fresh tomatoes. Is
>there a good reason why I should pay four times the price for the same
>thing?

Tomtoes and tomato juice are acidic. I have found that the very
cheapest canned tomatoes are usually in the cheapest of cans: cans
that do not have a plastic ('painted') interior. The result being
that there is some etching of the tin lining of the metal can which
may impart a distinctive "tinny" metallic taste to the contents.

Evidently disolved metallic tin does not pose a health hazard, but if
noticeable it can spoil the taste of the tomatoes. This is exacerbated
with prolonged storage, both in the distributor's warehouse and in your
pantry.

Some brands are worse in this respect, so buy just a couple of cans as
a test before investing in a whole carton. YMMV
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 12:13 pm
From: Derald

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?
Sandwiches, too....

Harry, I guess your gardening efforts must have been ectoplasmic
inspiration to me, although, coincidence probably is more likely: This
Spring, after a nearly ten-year hiatus, I rejuvenated a few of the
raised beds DW built during the 1990's and resumed shepherding a small
"to the need" community garden that has been surprisingly productive,
considering all of the time that it lay fallow. We no longer attempt to
produce quantities for preservation, although, DW&I do freeze (or
dehydrate) excess in order to prevent waste.
Since late May, have had a steady stream of fresh "better boy" as
well as little "husky cherry red" tomatoes. The cherry tomatoes are
spousal indulgence; I prefer indeterminates because they'll yield nice
big tomatoes until December or January. I noticed yesterday that the
"better boy" have resumed blossoming, after a cloud/rain induced break,
so I guess it's time for me to get involved in their sex lives once
again: Hand-pollination because the few "pollinators" that are active
this time-of-year are looking for water, not for flower juice. I keep
basins of fresh water in each of the beds so the predatory wasps are
still helping me out.
In addition, okra (Clemson spineless); blackeyed peas;
eggplant/aubergine (black beauty); "bell" peppers; and basil (spicy
globe) are producing. The fourth planting of blackeyed peas (it replaced
the peanuts under the okra) is about half-grown; third planting is just
about played out and its bed will be used for "greens", mustard, most
likely, even though collards are more heat tolerant. Few phenomena are
more depressing than seeing a cute little young mustard with bright
yellow blossoms but I'll chance it. Just yesterday, completed planting
of the second bed of "Delinel" snap-beans for October/November harvest.
From late February or early March, I'll succession-plant more Delinels
for a continuous yield into August, when they just can't cope with the
long hot humid days.
>
>tilling for the cool weather crops of kale and collards and cabbagy stuff that we have
>started.
Although, I do not "till", some hand tools are required to redeem
the beds from their fallow state. As a rule, I use no tools to work the
garden soil because of their destructive effect on the soft-bodied
instars of the insectivorous wasps and native solitary bees. No Japanese
beetles here and native beetle "grubs" are not numerous enough to be a
problem. I don't begrudge them the occasional root snack any more than I
mind paying a "bean tax" to the tufted titmouses....
Over the next couple of weeks, will rejuvenate at least two more
beds to accomodate cool-weather items: Lettuce, other "greens",
"English" garden peas, maybe cabbage and maybe cauliflower. Although, I
like nothing else better than freshly cropped cauliflower, it's a bit
"iffy" down here because of the shortage of cool days during the
fall-winter growing season. We almost never have enough contiguous days
of cool weather to make broccoli, Brussel's sprouts, or other
long-season "cool weather" veggies worthwhile. Potatoes will be
barrel-grown and they go in in December.
Neither of us cares for corn or squash well enough to devote any
effort -- or garden area -- to either, although, with an early start we
do manage a few "hills" of cucumber. At its best, Florida-grown corn is
insipid, anyway, and in order to get a decent crop of it or of "summer"
squash, one must plant them early enough in the year that there remains
some frost danger because if the crop is not "in" by May or early June,
then the insects make further efforts futile. I live in a sort-of
developed semi-rural area, so there is no reasonable defense against
that variety of incipient, shield-shaped, juice-sucking, virus spreading
insects that generically just seem to go as "plant bugs" that shelter in
the "woods".
You may find this useful when planning planting dates:
http://www.weatherbase.com/search/search.php3?refer=
although, I notice that for your area, averages are compiled over what
seems a fairly short span; and
http://www.accuweather.com/ for short-term forecasts.
Accuweather has a long history and reputation for accurate
commercial weather forecasting and their free public forecasts seem to
be more reliable than NWS forecasts and 'way-y-y better than Weather.com
(the weather channel; it's for sale, btw, if you're looking for a
retirement plan....). Production companies used to (and may, still,
FAIK) buy shoot-day forecasts from accuweather back in the day.

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TOPIC: Do you still do your own oil change?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/00739344169b1364?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 4:13 am
From: clams_casino

1297 wrote:

>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>>>>However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>>>>another batch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than
>>>it costs to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the
>>>gas you will burn when you haul the used oil to a recycling
>>>facility. -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>I find the $5-10 savings a quick, easy savings. Actually, driving
>>to get an oil change every other month would add significantly to the
>>cost, never mind the waste of time to / from / waiting for it to be completed..
>>
>>
>
>Only a fool changes the oil every other month.
>
>
>
Only a fool doesn't change oil every 5k miles. I expect my vehicles to
last a minimum of 250K miles.

Oil changes are a minimal / essentially negligible cost to extend the
life span.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 6:03 am
From: BillGill

James wrote:
> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.
I have quit changing my oil since I got a new car and can't get the
filter in and out without crawling completely under the car. And
I don't have a handy way to get completely under there. I have some
ramps, but the car's bumper hits the ramp before the wheels, so that
doesn't work. So now I take it to an oil change place.

My big problem there is finding one that will just change the oil and
filter for a reasonable price without doing a lot of other stuff and
over charging.

Bill

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 7:09 am
From: James

On Sep 8, 9:03 am, BillGill <billne...@cox.net> wrote:
> James wrote:
> > I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> > However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> > another batch.
>
> I have quit changing my oil since I got a new car and can't get the
> filter in and out without crawling completely under the car. And
> I don't have a handy way to get completely under there. I have some
> ramps, but the car's bumper hits the ramp before the wheels, so that
> doesn't work. So now I take it to an oil change place.
>
> My big problem there is finding one that will just change the oil and
> filter for a reasonable price without doing a lot of other stuff and
> over charging.
>
> Bill

If you really want to DIY you can buy ramps that go in front of your
current ramps. They allow you to get your car bumpers to clear your
current ramps.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 10:22 am
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 7, 3:32 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.

No. Unfortunately the cars I've owned in the last 15 years are too
low to the ground the the filter is mostly inaccessible laying on the
ground under the car. But I still "know how".

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 10:58 am
From: Steve Daniels

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:28:44 +1000, against all advice, something
compelled "1297" <1297@npspam.com>, to say:

> Only a fool changes the oil every other month.

I have the Audi guys do it every ten thousand miles, whether it
needs it or not.
--

Life is too short to play cheap guitars.

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TOPIC: are there any high lumen LED night lights out there?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 6:16 am
From: Derald

don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:

> I have tried 2-AA and 3-AA LED MAGs. Not conversions, but made as LED
>flashlights. I found the 2-AA one a little dim, but I do like the 3-AA
>one. And it is adjustable
Well, the old one that I've carried for years needed repair -- the
plastic lens and reflector finally died (I suspect death by DEET and
heat) -- and I tried the DIY conversion kit on a whim. Don't even know
what else is available. Thanks for the information; I'll certainly take
a look at the "latest and greatest", although, unless the ready-rolled
LED version is clearly superior I'll likely just by parts and repair the
oldie. Battery life is not an issue.

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TOPIC: buying old meat from supermarket
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 5:42 am
From: John Savage

WM <w_masters@dummy-entry.com>writes:
>Cooking should kill all bacteria but some bacteria are of the sort
>which produce toxins.

As lumps of meat and fillets begin to spoil from the outside, if you
have raw meat its surface can be washed and rubbed down under a
running tap, then patted dry on paper towels. This will remove light
spoilage (surface slime) before cooking. Always keep meat under
refrigeration while marinading.

Minced meat doesn't lend itself to this, so eating mince that is
past its best is not worth the risk.

>If toxins have been produced before you get to cook the meat then
>those toxins can survive cooking. EG staph aureus.
>
>http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/poison.html
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 7:38 am
From: Omelet

In article <0809080224742.08Sep08$rookswood@suburbian.com>,
John Savage <rookswood@suburbian.com.au> wrote:

> WM <w_masters@dummy-entry.com>writes:
> >Cooking should kill all bacteria but some bacteria are of the sort
> >which produce toxins.
>
> As lumps of meat and fillets begin to spoil from the outside, if you
> have raw meat its surface can be washed and rubbed down under a
> running tap, then patted dry on paper towels. This will remove light
> spoilage (surface slime) before cooking. Always keep meat under
> refrigeration while marinading.

Mom taught me to use a vinegar rinse on meat with surface spoilage/slime.
Always seems to work.

>
> Minced meat doesn't lend itself to this, so eating mince that is
> past its best is not worth the risk.

Agreed.

>
> >If toxins have been produced before you get to cook the meat then
> >those toxins can survive cooking. EG staph aureus.
> >
> >http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/poison.html
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

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TOPIC: apple sauce
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 8:08 am
From: jerry5372@gmail.com

for years I have followed the old refrain "an apple a day keeps the
doctor away".
And regularly have eaten one or two apples a day.

Now with the high cost of apples I have switched to apple sauce.
My preference is those individual containers that hold, typically, 4
ounces of apple sauce.

If you look closely, the sugar content varies.
My choice is "no sugar added".

-Ogato32

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TOPIC: Do you believe that giving opens the door to receiving?
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On Sep 8, 11:14 am, nucmedmike <nucmedm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The gist of Cash Gifting is this - you join a private membership and
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>
> (Does gifting money to "strangers" sound risky? It's no different than
> gifting to United Way or the Red Cross. Cash Gifting is a legally set-
> up operation. Your due diligence and will show that it is not risky at
> all.)
>
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* Do you still do your own oil change? - 6 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/00739344169b1364?hl=en
* Frugal way to look younger. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3862302a48905228?hl=en
* Anything wrong with canned tomatoes? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7fb7868def5d6f0e?hl=en
* are there any high lumen LED night lights out there? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/29f39b8e5f78705c?hl=en
* Vinegar - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4f10bcc3fe11d72b?hl=en
* Got a loud refrigerator, can't afford a new one, what would you do? - 3
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/26165df6108177e9?hl=en

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 4:20 pm
From: "Dave"

"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.

How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than it costs
to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the gas you will burn
when you haul the used oil to a recycling facility. -Dave

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 4:37 pm
From: timeOday

Dave wrote:
> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>> another batch.
>
> How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than it costs
> to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the gas you will burn
> when you haul the used oil to a recycling facility. -Dave

Yeah, I figured it out last time, and you hardly save any money at all
doing it yourself.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 6:03 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>>I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>>However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>>another batch.
>>
>>
>
>How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than it costs
>to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the gas you will burn
>when you haul the used oil to a recycling facility. -Dave
>
>
>
>
I find the $5-10 savings a quick, easy savings. Actually, driving to
get an oil change every other month would add significantly to the cost,
never mind the waste of time to / from / waiting for it to be completed..

I save the oil and make one trip per year to the recycling center which
is perhaps a mile further than where I'd have the oil changed.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 7:28 pm
From: "1297" <1297@npspam.com>

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>>> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>>> another batch.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than
>> it costs to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the
>> gas you will burn when you haul the used oil to a recycling
>> facility. -Dave
> I find the $5-10 savings a quick, easy savings. Actually, driving
> to get an oil change every other month would add significantly to the
> cost, never mind the waste of time to / from / waiting for it to be completed..

Only a fool changes the oil every other month.

> I save the oil and make one trip per year to the recycling center
> which is perhaps a mile further than where I'd have the oil changed.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 7:48 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <ZR_wk.53063$Rs1.45334@newsfe08.iad>,
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>
> I find the $5-10 savings a quick, easy savings. Actually, driving to
> get an oil change every other month would add significantly to the cost,
> never mind the waste of time to / from / waiting for it to be completed..
>
> I save the oil and make one trip per year to the recycling center which
> is perhaps a mile further than where I'd have the oil changed.

You get an oil change every other month? You must either be obsessive
about maintaining your car or you are a high mileage driver. I have
never done my car's oil changes. I prefer to take it to the dealer or
one of those oil change places. I do this for two reasons. First, my
lease does not allow me to do auto work on my apartment's grounds.
Second, I hate doing auto work and I am no good at it. The only auto
maintenance I do myself is wash my car, which I usually do by hand.

Up until last January, I drove a beat up old car and it did fine with
7,000 mile oil changes. I have a 2008 Prius now and it likes 5,000 mile
oil changes. I only drive around 1,000 miles a month, so I have only had
to have the oil changed once on my Prius. I prefer to drop off my Prius
at the dealer where I bought it, in the morning. Instead of waiting, I
hop on a bus and go to work, then I pick it up that evening. For my
first oil change, I spent $70, but I also had some other things done. I
think the actual cost of the oil change was maybe $30. My Pruis is due
for its second oil change in a month.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 8:37 pm
From: jdoe

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:28:44 +1000, "1297" <1297@npspam.com> wrote:

>
>Only a fool changes the oil every other month.
only a fool makes a statement like this without knowing any facts

__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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TOPIC: Frugal way to look younger.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 4:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I just heard over the radio that a study showed people having sex every
> other day looked 7 to 12 years younger. Does masturbation count?

Yes, it makes you go blind.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 7:25 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On Sep 7, 12:59 am, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?

They work fine, but be sure to get the unsalted kind.

Fresh are better, but non-local tomatoes are picked green and aren't
much better than canned.

--
Ron

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 9:31 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:15:02 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
>>a dollar an ear.
>
>Are you showing unusual restraint here, or are you just tired? ;-)

Both. I know the price is a fix and that our ex-neighbors in Florida
can get them for 20 cents an ear. What ticked me off was more the
poor harvest of corn, and I had some control over that. I'm not sure
how I'll handle it next year. In the meantime, it is bags of the
frozen stuff. I am tired of fighting price wars though.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 7:26 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <g9u42m$u1p$1@aioe.org>, OhioGuy wrote:
> I'm looking for an LED night light. All I've been able to find so far are
>el cheapo ones that either use a single LED, aren't diffused properly, or
>don't produce enough lumens that my wife will let me get away with using it.
>
> I've tried a number of alternative technologies over the past few years -
>electrolumenscent, compact fluorescent, but she has trouble seeing at night,
>and says none of them make enough light. Right now we're using a 7 watt
>incandescent night light that makes perhaps 40 lumens of light, and she says
>it is barely enough.
>
> Therefore, I'm looking for an LED nightlight that is well diffused (not
>directional - I don't want a 'laser' type dot on the ceiling)& which makes
>80+ lumens of light for our bathroom. I've looked at some at local
>supermarkets and such, but they don't say how many lumens. My experience is
>that if it has a single LED or doesn't mention the lumen output, it just
>won't be bright enough for my wife, who seems to lack the ability to see
>well in low light situations.
>
> I don't care if it uses 2 or 3 watts - I just need a decent amount of
>light output that isn't directional.
>
> I've spent over an hour searching online, and haven't been able to find
>what I need. I find loads and loads of night lights with 20-30 or so lumens
>of output, and which use less than a watt of power. I've tried those
>before, and they just end up in a box in the basement, because my wife says
>they are not up to par.

They probably have exaggerated claims of light output.

In general, white, non-yellowish-green and blue LEDs have higher
scotopic/photopic ratio than incandescents, especially low wattage ones.
That makes a significant difference where night vision has any role.

Now, for LED lights that truly produce 30 lumens and which should be OK:
Doggone, I am not aware of any that are diffused and not directional.

One can be homebrewed: Luxeon star, 10 ohm resistor at least a watt
(sandstome style 5 and 10 watt ones are cheap and convenient), a
5 volt cellphone charger, and an appropriate diffuser, and a .315 or .5
amp fuse in case something goes wrong.

However, a 3 watt compact fluorescent produces about 100 lumens. Also,
that wattage is usually cold cathode - meaning generally longer life.
Look for a life rating of 20,000 or 25,000 hours or so.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 7:30 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <joGdnZXA177nMl_VnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@earthlink.com>, Derald wrote:
>"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>> ...they just end up in a box in the basement, because my wife says
>>they are not up to par.
> Seriously: Think, "flashlight" ("torch"). DW&I have each owned and
>used bulletproof 2-AA minimag flashlights since the early '80's. They've
>served us well while camping, on cine/photo sets, back stage, _and_ as
>bedside "night" lights. DW often uses hers as a in-bed reading light,
>too. Last week, I installed one of the conversion kits to transform my
>25-year-old minimag into a LED. Truth is, I paid as much for the kit as
>I would have for a new flashlight and I'm not sure that I'm pleased with
>the conversion because I don't perceive it as nearly as bright as the
>(genuine) minimag halide "peanut" lamp (although the color of the light
>may be a factor) and it lacks the wide-to-spot choke that makes the
>minimag so versatile.

I have tried 2-AA and 3-AA LED MAGs. Not conversions, but made as LED
flashlights. I found the 2-AA one a little dim, but I do like the 3-AA
one. And it is adjustable.

I suspect it can be "souped up" by replacing the LED with a Luxeon
K2-with-TFFC, which is a more efficient LED than the one I see in the unit
I bought about a year ago.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Vinegar
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 7:49 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<069a33d3-f19a-424b-b6c4-d089be171e2e@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com> wrote:

> I've been keeping my white, red wine vinegar bottles on a shelf, my
> balsamic vinegar in the fridge...what's wrong with this picture?
> Should they all be in the fridge or out on a shelf?

Whatever works for you is fine. I keep all that stuff in my cupboard.
Been doing it that way for as long as I remember without any problems.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 9:17 pm
From: BirdWatcher2008@gmail.com

My kitchen is open and the loud noise is anywhere in my home.

Put some blankets over the fridge but this does not help?

Any ideas for me?

Joe

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 9:58 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <54bd5e56-34a9-4aa4-ab0c-d81a84636e44@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
BirdWatcher2008@gmail.com wrote:

>My kitchen is open and the loud noise is anywhere in my home.
>
>Put some blankets over the fridge but this does not help?
>
>Any ideas for me?
>
>Joe

How old is this fridge? If it was made in the mid, maybe late 1980's or
so or longer ago, then there is a fair chance you can afford a new one by
reducing your electric bill by something like $5-$10 possibly more per
month.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 11:01 pm
From: Jeff

BirdWatcher2008@gmail.com wrote:
> My kitchen is open and the loud noise is anywhere in my home.
>
> Put some blankets over the fridge but this does not help?

Not a good idea anyways.

Since you've said absolutely nothing about what the noise is or where it
is coming from, and the crystal ball is on loan, I can only guess.

And Don is absolutely right. Refrigerators have come a long way in
efficiency.

I'm not an appliance tech, so my understanding of this may be a bit off.

Jeff

>
> Any ideas for me?
>
> Joe

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