Frugal Living: Sep 22, 2010

Wednesday, September 22, 2010

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TOPIC: Are Christians affected by animal instincts?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:29 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6001f665-dc9b-41ba-9067-8c64b3fe198c@k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> Many people must be wondering where I get my wisdom from... Well, I
> get it from the source, the animals that reveal our worst and best
> instincts. In this case, I got good news for you.
>
> Most animals can be tamed and made happy. They don't worry about death
> or hell, they just enjoy the day. They fear no God, but fear the
> bigger animals. Well, I fear a Christian behind the wheel of an SUV,
> which proves they can be affected by animal instincts too and want to
> be bigger than the others.
>
> I wonder why people haven't tapped into the source before. Of course,
> Aesop did but his messages are often forgotten in order to learn
> twisted metaphors from the Bible.
>
> Here's some wisdom of his...
>
> A crust eaten in peace is better than a banquet partaken in anxiety.
> Aesop
>
> A doubtful friend is worse than a certain enemy. Let a man be one
> thing or the other, and we then know how to meet him.
> Aesop
>
> A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth.
> Aesop
>
> Adventure is worthwhile.
> Aesop
>
> Affairs are easier of entrance than of exit; and it is but common
> prudence to see our way out before we venture in.
> Aesop
>
> After all is said and done, more is said than done.
> Aesop
>
> Any excuse will serve a tyrant.
> Aesop
>
> Appearances are often deceiving.
> Aesop

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 5:23 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 21, 10:29 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:

> But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
> It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
> if the rest of you can't.

All those who claim "superiority" are under question even if it is a
former president...

'Carter made news for remarks during an interview with Brian Williams
that aired Monday on the "NBC Nightly News." Carter told Williams that
the humanitarian work he's performed through his foundation means that
his post-presidency career has been "superior" to that of other former
presidents.'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100921/pl_yblog_upshot/jimmy-carter-hasnt-been-mincing-many-words-of-late

True superiority comes from humbleness --something like me. ;)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 10:07 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 22, 8:57 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> Spirits of the Jungle <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 8:38 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Mystic Merman <mysticmer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Most animals can be tamed and made happy. They don't worry about death
> >> >> > or hell, they just enjoy the day. They fear no God, but fear the
> >> >> > bigger animals.
>
> >> >> I consider:
>
> >> >> "The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever"
>
> >> > So, while you're in heaven, there will be fear forever and ever?
>
> >> Nothing wrong with fear of the Lord, in fact, it is quite wholesome
> >> and beneficial to the believer:
>
> >>http://scripturetruths5.tripod.com/wgf.html
>
> > Was Jesus affected by animal instincts? Are you?
>
> What specifically do you mean?

Let's say aggression...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2ljkC4gPg

Funny, right? Didn't Jesus charge against the Money Changers?

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TOPIC: Which car guide and petrol/diesel engines
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 4:25 am
From: "john hamilton"

Thinking about buying an older second hand car I was looking through an old
'Which car guide 2005/2006' and got to wondering why under the heading of
*driving experience* cars with a diesel engine is always getting a higher
rating than the petrol model. (ie a red star as opposed to a circle rating)

I contacted Which quite some time and asked them, but never got a response.

Having never owned a diesel car I dont really know what they are like to
drive. I know people used to say that the 'power to revolution' curve was
different to a petrol engine and if you were used to driving a petrol
engine, it would take time to get used to the diesel. But it would never be
quite so satisfying to drive as the petrol engine. I guess things probably
have changed by now.

Since though 2005/2006 is not that long ago, is Which saying that diesel
engines are nicer to drive than petrol? (a better driving experience)
because they are getting a higher rating in this category than petrol
engines? Thanks for any advice.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 4:50 am
From: Adrian

"john hamilton" <bluestar95@mail.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

> Since though 2005/2006 is not that long ago, is Which saying that diesel
> engines are nicer to drive than petrol? (a better driving experience)
> because they are getting a higher rating in this category than petrol
> engines? Thanks for any advice.

Go and drive a couple of cars, identical apart from fuel type, and see
which YOU prefer.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 4:55 am
From: Mike P

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:25:54 +0100, john hamilton boggled us with:

> Thinking about buying an older second hand car I was looking through an
> old 'Which car guide 2005/2006' and got to wondering why under the
> heading of *driving experience* cars with a diesel engine is always
> getting a higher rating than the petrol model. (ie a red star as opposed
> to a circle rating)
>
> I contacted Which quite some time and asked them, but never got a
> response.
>
> Having never owned a diesel car I dont really know what they are like to
> drive. I know people used to say that the 'power to revolution' curve
> was different to a petrol engine and if you were used to driving a
> petrol engine, it would take time to get used to the diesel. But it
> would never be quite so satisfying to drive as the petrol engine. I
> guess things probably have changed by now.
>
> Since though 2005/2006 is not that long ago, is Which saying that diesel
> engines are nicer to drive than petrol? (a better driving experience)
> because they are getting a higher rating in this category than petrol
> engines? Thanks for any advice.

In very simple terms -

diesel - lots of torque low down the rev range, no need to rev it hard to
make fast progress. Quite a thin powerband in most modern TDs I've driven.

Petrol, - gutless low down, plenty of power up high in the rev range.

My personal preference is for a petrol turbo engine, and damn the
economy :-)

--
Mike P

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 2:31 pm
From: "DavidR"

"john hamilton" <bluestar95@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:i7cp4t$4v1$1@news.eternal-september.org...

Petrol is better for clean starts. Diesel (or any turbo) much better between
30-80.

Consider my last car, petrol of 85bhp/t. It was geared for 36mph in first,
with 30mph a comfortable maximum. In second, it had about 60bhp at 30mph and
maxed out at a noisy 60mph. 50-70 times were about 8, 11, 17
seconds in the three top gears.

Now diesel, also 85bhp/t. In 1st gear 24mph is possible, 20mph being a
comfortable maximum. That's the bit that takes getting used to. But in 3rd
gear at 30mph it has 70bhp, maximum power comes at a civilised 60mph and
if required can continue to 75mph. Thus 3rd is quicker and has
more top & bottom range than the old 2nd gear. It gets even better looking
at the
50-70 times: about 6, 7 and 10 seconds. Quite simply, motorway inclines no
longer exist and when a blocker moves out of the way I can now get air
between me and the tailgater.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 2:46 pm
From: "Duncan Wood"

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:25:54 +0100, john hamilton
<bluestar95@mail.invalid> wrote:

> Thinking about buying an older second hand car I was looking through an
> old
> 'Which car guide 2005/2006' and got to wondering why under the heading of
> *driving experience* cars with a diesel engine is always getting a higher
> rating than the petrol model. (ie a red star as opposed to a circle
> rating)
>
> I contacted Which quite some time and asked them, but never got a
> response.
>
> Having never owned a diesel car I dont really know what they are like to
> drive. I know people used to say that the 'power to revolution' curve was
> different to a petrol engine and if you were used to driving a petrol
> engine, it would take time to get used to the diesel. But it would never
> be
> quite so satisfying to drive as the petrol engine. I guess things
> probably
> have changed by now.
>
> Since though 2005/2006 is not that long ago, is Which saying that diesel
> engines are nicer to drive than petrol? (a better driving experience)
> because they are getting a higher rating in this category than petrol
> engines? Thanks for any advice.
>
>

If you learnt to drive in 1956 then the diesel still generates usable
torque at the same engine revs. Realising that changing up at 1400RPM in a
VTEC isn't helpful seems to elude some people.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 5:45 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 9/22/2010 7:25 AM, john hamilton wrote:
> Thinking about buying an older second hand car I was looking through an old
> 'Which car guide 2005/2006' and got to wondering why under the heading of
> *driving experience* cars with a diesel engine is always getting a higher
> rating than the petrol model. (ie a red star as opposed to a circle rating)
>
> I contacted Which quite some time and asked them, but never got a response.
>
> Having never owned a diesel car I dont really know what they are like to
> drive. I know people used to say that the 'power to revolution' curve was
> different to a petrol engine and if you were used to driving a petrol
> engine, it would take time to get used to the diesel. But it would never be
> quite so satisfying to drive as the petrol engine. I guess things probably
> have changed by now.
>
> Since though 2005/2006 is not that long ago, is Which saying that diesel
> engines are nicer to drive than petrol? (a better driving experience)
> because they are getting a higher rating in this category than petrol
> engines? Thanks for any advice.
>
>
Here in the states diesels aren't that common for passenger cars, there
are a few, but 95% are gasoline (petrol) powered. I did get a chance to
drive a neighbors cars back to back, They were both VW Jettas one with a
2.8L petrol V6 and the other was a 1.9L TDI. I thought the petrol VR6
was far better. The TDI had good initial thrust, but it's power quickly
diminished after about 2500 RPM. In the interest of disclosure, my daily
driver has supercharged 4.6L V8 (petrol) under the hood, so my
expectations may have be too optimistic. If you like to drive in
sporting manner then I think petrol is the way to do. Diesels will
obviously return better fuel economy.

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TOPIC: Yet another preventable death blamed on SUVs? --Hit-and-runs
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 7:31 am
From: Opus

On Sep 21, 9:46 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 7:25 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 19, 2:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > >snip quoted material<
> > > So TM is right. So what?
>
> > > He has been posting the same old shit over over for at least a year now.
> > > Every day it is a new posting on the same old subject. That is the sort of
> > > thing that destroys small newsgroups. He is a spammer pure and simple. It is
> > > irrelevant whether he is right or not. He is a crashing bore and a
> > > simpleton. And if you take him seriously, then you are too.
>
> > > You should have posted your above message as an original subject separate
> > > from him if you wanted anyone to read it. Everyone has kill-filed TM because
> > > he is nothing but a g.d. nuisance.
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> > I guess you weren't there when they were doing the lessons on teaching
> > to dummies. Repetition is the key to learning, over and over again
> > until it sinks in. One could post the same thing about you and your
> > use of swear words.
>
> > I take TM seriously because what he posts jibes with my observations
> > on my daily rides. I don't agree with his similes about jungles and
> > bananas, but his direct statements are factual and from my experience
> > truthful. Note that factual and truthful are not the same thing,
> > factual means testable in the real world, truthful means a fact that
> > has tested true under at least one circumstance.
>
> Opus, your incident touched me a lot, and sometimes I have similar
> nightmares. I was spit in my face by an angry driver but that doesn't
> compare. I'm not afraid to die though. I'm afraid to be broken up and
> then abandoned. To be honest, despite my wisdom, I have a hard time
> forgiving or forgetting. That TERRORIST that left you bleeding... I'd
> unleash the mighty power we use in Afghanistan to hunt him down. A
> drone would be perfect.
>
> Hit-and-runs are a common occurrence here too, almost every cyclist
> can account for one, and nobody makes an issue out of it. He --and his
> kind-- get my banana for the time being...
>
>snip<
TM, don't worry about it, the fact that I survived was a fluke. The
survival rate for an unprotected human hit at that speed is measured
in parts per million, I really should be dead now, but I'm not.
Therefore I have some people to bother yet, to poke and prod into
doing the right thing. I tried being nice but nice don't fly in this
day and age.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 7:56 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 22, 7:31 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 9:46 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
>
> the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 19, 7:25 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 19, 2:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > > >snip quoted material<
> > > > So TM is right. So what?
>
> > > > He has been posting the same old shit over over for at least a year now.
> > > > Every day it is a new posting on the same old subject. That is the sort of
> > > > thing that destroys small newsgroups. He is a spammer pure and simple. It is
> > > > irrelevant whether he is right or not. He is a crashing bore and a
> > > > simpleton. And if you take him seriously, then you are too.
>
> > > > You should have posted your above message as an original subject separate
> > > > from him if you wanted anyone to read it. Everyone has kill-filed TM because
> > > > he is nothing but a g.d. nuisance.
>
> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > aka
> > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> > > I guess you weren't there when they were doing the lessons on teaching
> > > to dummies. Repetition is the key to learning, over and over again
> > > until it sinks in. One could post the same thing about you and your
> > > use of swear words.
>
> > > I take TM seriously because what he posts jibes with my observations
> > > on my daily rides. I don't agree with his similes about jungles and
> > > bananas, but his direct statements are factual and from my experience
> > > truthful. Note that factual and truthful are not the same thing,
> > > factual means testable in the real world, truthful means a fact that
> > > has tested true under at least one circumstance.
>
> > Opus, your incident touched me a lot, and sometimes I have similar
> > nightmares. I was spit in my face by an angry driver but that doesn't
> > compare. I'm not afraid to die though. I'm afraid to be broken up and
> > then abandoned. To be honest, despite my wisdom, I have a hard time
> > forgiving or forgetting. That TERRORIST that left you bleeding... I'd
> > unleash the mighty power we use in Afghanistan to hunt him down. A
> > drone would be perfect.
>
> > Hit-and-runs are a common occurrence here too, almost every cyclist
> > can account for one, and nobody makes an issue out of it. He --and his
> > kind-- get my banana for the time being...
>
> >snip<
>
> TM, don't worry about it, the fact that I survived was a fluke. The
> survival rate for an unprotected human hit at that speed is measured
> in parts per million, I really should be dead now, but I'm not.
> Therefore I have some people to bother yet, to poke and prod into
> doing the right thing. I tried being nice but nice don't fly in this
> day and age.

So long as you keep that diary of yours, people will learn from you. I
call it the JUNGLE so they know the law most prevalent out there.

You still keep it? Got the link?

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TOPIC: Cars fart poisonous gas
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 8:08 am
From: Opus

On Sep 21, 2:18 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>snip<
> Cars fart poisonous gas.
>
> That's a powerful metaphor, huh?
>
> I rather live with horse shit.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "I rather take horse shit than bullshit"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

Yes, but all that manure still breeds flies that spread disease.
Believe it or not the motor vehicle really did wonders for cleaning up
our cities. Were we to go back to that we would need an army of people
with brooms, shovels, and barrels to keep the poop under control,
which would be good for unemployment I guess. How to pay for that army
would be a problem, maybe horse licenses? Selling the byproduct as
fertilizer? Whatever, we can't go back to draft animals without paying
a price in either actual money or public health.

Had we a crystal ball when planning things back in the immediate post-
WWII era we would have built railroads to carry goods and people on
the ground with the airlines taking care or the ones in a rush instead
of the massive Interstate Highway System. Seriously rails are much
cheaper to build per ton/mile of capacity than paved roads, and much
more durable to boot. Then we would only need short-range electric
vehicles for the distribution of goods from the train depot to the
stores nearby rather than the long-haul trucks that go from production
point or port of entry to retail point. The numbers of vehicles would
be the same, but their makeup would be different and more efficient
and less polluting. Move people locally by their own muscles, walking
or riding a bicycle, and long distances by rail or air or bicycle if
time is not a concern. The road network needed to move goods from farm
to market would be plenty for getting bicycles from city to city.
Rural electrification could have been used to charge electric trucks
for moving the produce on local roads. Cowboys would still need to
ride horses, but tractors would be electric powered. Barns would be
placed on east-west lines with roofs that were all south-facing in the
northern hemisphere to gather solar energy, either for use on the farm
or to sell to the grid.

But you know what they say about hindsight.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 8:21 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 22, 8:08 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:18 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
>
> the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >snip<
> > Cars fart poisonous gas.
>
> > That's a powerful metaphor, huh?
>
> > I rather live with horse shit.
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "I rather take horse shit than bullshit"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Yes, but all that manure still breeds flies that spread disease.
> Believe it or not the motor vehicle really did wonders for cleaning up
> our cities. Were we to go back to that we would need an army of people
> with brooms, shovels, and barrels to keep the poop under control,
> which would be good for unemployment I guess. How to pay for that army
> would be a problem, maybe horse licenses? Selling the byproduct as
> fertilizer? Whatever, we can't go back to draft animals without paying
> a price in either actual money or public health.
>
> Had we a crystal ball when planning things back in the immediate post-
> WWII era we would have built railroads to carry goods and people on
> the ground with the airlines taking care or the ones in a rush instead
> of the massive Interstate Highway System. Seriously rails are much
> cheaper to build per ton/mile of capacity than paved roads, and much
> more durable to boot. Then we would only need short-range electric
> vehicles for the distribution of goods from the train depot to the
> stores nearby rather than the long-haul trucks that go from production
> point or port of entry to retail point. The numbers of vehicles would
> be the same, but their makeup would be different and more efficient
> and less polluting. Move people locally by their own muscles, walking
> or riding a bicycle, and long distances by rail or air or bicycle if
> time is not a concern. The road network needed to move goods from farm
> to market would be plenty for getting bicycles from city to city.
> Rural electrification could have been used to charge electric trucks
> for moving the produce on local roads. Cowboys would still need to
> ride horses, but tractors would be electric powered. Barns would be
> placed on east-west lines with roofs that were all south-facing in the
> northern hemisphere to gather solar energy, either for use on the farm
> or to sell to the grid.
>
> But you know what they say about hindsight.

Your balance sounds right on, but I hear GM had a hand in the
"planning" of the car culture and highway system, and the dismissal of
the "obsolete" technologies (read COMPETITION).

Then we are left with the most POLLUTING & PROFITABLE transportation
system in the world, in which GM is only a small player of the game.

Now the MONSTER has a life of its own, and nobody knows how to stop it
or even put it on a diet.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 11:40 am
From: Todd

On Sep 22, 8:08 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:

some stuff snipped

> Yes, but all that manure still breeds flies that spread disease.
> Believe it or not the motor vehicle really did wonders for cleaning up
> our cities. Were we to go back to that we would need an army of people
> with brooms, shovels, and barrels to keep the poop under control,
> which would be good for unemployment I guess. How to pay for that army
> would be a problem, maybe horse licenses? Selling the byproduct as
> fertilizer?

An except from:

http://sfnap.org/n_area/parks/na_gol_o.html

"Golden Gate Park once was part of one of the largest inland-reaching
sand dune systems along the western shore of North America. It
stretched seven miles from Ocean Beach across the entire peninsula to
the present-day Financial District. The western areas near the ocean
were covered with constantly drifting sand. Toward the eastern end,
rock outcrops and ridges provided a protected environment in which oak
trees thrived. Despite their rich biological diversity and stark
beauty, the dunes did not meet the European aesthetic for park land.
In 1870, William Hammond Hall submitted a plan to Mayor Frank McCoppin
to tame the sand dunes and "fit a graceful curvature" to the natural
topography. Using horse manure, the park designers transformed the
ever-shifting sand into stabilized, arable soil."

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 12:07 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 22, 11:40 am, Todd <tastr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 8:08 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> some stuff snipped
>
> > Yes, but all that manure still breeds flies that spread disease.
> > Believe it or not the motor vehicle really did wonders for cleaning up
> > our cities. Were we to go back to that we would need an army of people
> > with brooms, shovels, and barrels to keep the poop under control,
> > which would be good for unemployment I guess. How to pay for that army
> > would be a problem, maybe horse licenses? Selling the byproduct as
> > fertilizer?
>
> An except from:
>
> http://sfnap.org/n_area/parks/na_gol_o.html
>
> "Golden Gate Park once was part of one of the largest inland-reaching
> sand dune systems along the western shore of North America. It
> stretched seven miles from Ocean Beach across the entire peninsula to
> the present-day Financial District. The western areas near the ocean
> were covered with constantly drifting sand. Toward the eastern end,
> rock outcrops and ridges provided a protected environment in which oak
> trees thrived. Despite their rich biological diversity and stark
> beauty, the dunes did not meet the European aesthetic for park land.
> In 1870, William Hammond Hall submitted a plan to Mayor Frank McCoppin
> to tame the sand dunes and "fit a graceful curvature" to the natural
> topography. Using horse manure, the park designers transformed the
> ever-shifting sand into stabilized, arable soil."

A lot of shit (sorry, manure) must have been happening in the 19th
century, even before we could account for it in the 20th century. And
it doesn't look better in the 21st century.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 9:57 am
From: ultimauw@NOSPAMlive@.com (zeez)

http://topnews.us/content/226234-california-suffers-greatest-whooping-cough-outbreak-1955

California Suffers from Greatest Whooping Cough Outbreak Since 1955

People residing in the state of California might be a worried lot
these days as they are facing an ever-rising numbers of people
suffering from whooping cough. According to the information available,
the infection rate for the highly communicable lung infection has
reached its highest, ever since the year 1955.

The deadly disease, whose name comes from the sound of the cough, has
already claimed the lives of nine babies out of which eight have been
reported to be Hispanic. The other name for this lung disease is also
known as pertussis.<more on site>
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 1:33 pm
From: "john"

Whooping Cough vs Pesticide Programs. California Counties 2010 by Jim West
http://harpub.co.cc/whoop/

All zero incidence counties have no mandated pesticide spray programs for
moths, etc. Therefore three redefinitions can be postulated: 1) Pertussis
is a seasonal pesticide disease, although it possibly could occur (even
off-season) due to indoor air pollution (stove exhaust, etc), or other
sources. 2) Pertussis is not germ caused. 3)The pertussis paradigm is
misinfo to generally confuse pesticide and other pollution diagnostics and
to exploit the resulting confusion and disorders. Pertussis is a
respiratory disease and its symptoms are the body's attempts to avoid
breathing polluted air, and the body's attempts to alert the community.

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d833df279e38cde8?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 10:31 am
From: JimmyMac

On Sep 22, 12:09 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d675bb1e-e8d7-4442-ae8a-53a7cedf96be@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 19, 8:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > > but I will not talk to a stalker like you.
> > >> AND, you are doing what then exactly?
>
> > What I am doing, exactly, is dismissing you, but you are too self-absorbed
> > to know when you are not welcome.

Self-aggrandizing jerk that you are, you have the never to refer to
some else as self-absorbed? You are at the top of the list of the
self-absorbed persons I have encountered. You are a therapist/s
nightmare.

> >>>> So then you are talking to me and continue to do so.
>
> I stopped talking to you some years ago, but you are too stupid to realize,
> it.

My mistake. You never talk to anyone. You talk AT them.

If you weren't so stupid, you'd realize what a loser you are.

> [...]
>
> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > aka
> > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 10:40 am
From: JimmyMac

On Sep 22, 12:18 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e7afaa8e-8035-4c6f-99ed-4a6492d092c1@n7g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 19, 9:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > McNamara is not really Irish at all. He is a dumb Pole. Chicago is well
> > known as being a safe harbor for dumb Poles. His wife is most likely a
> > dumb
> > Pole too.
> >> Yep McNamara is definitely a Polish name ... NOT! truth be told, I am
>
> Irish, English and Polish, but this is little to do about nothing?
>
> I suspect McNamara was not your father. Some dumb Pole got to your mother
> while he was not looking. In short, you are a bastard and a son of a bitch.
>
> >> There is no significant correlation between ethnicity and
>
> intelligence. Intelligence is not ethnically linked, but I would
> expect nothing less preposterous from the Minnesota loon. I wonder
> when Dolan is going to do something about his mental illness.
>
> "I suspect McNamara was not your biological father. Some dumb Pole got to
> your mother while he was not looking. In short, you are a bastard and a son
> of a bitch." - Ed Dolan

Suspect all you want. Have you so little class than to stoop this
low? Actually my father was half Irish (father) and half Polish
(mother). What is dumb is that you continue to associate ethnicity
with intelligence. A bastard and a son of a bitch I am not and saying
so does not make it so. Iif there is a bith in all this, it is you.
I've run into your kind before ... courageous behind the keyboard, I
would love to have a one on one with you one day and challenge you to
repeat your insults face to face. I know you haven't the testicular
fortitude to do so and if you did, you'd learn a hard lesson in short
order. For the time being. I'm done wasting my time on you cretin.
I've better things to do, so Ed... GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!

> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 6:42 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0e18189f-156f-44ee-8a1b-1dc595c6f9b8@h25g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> If you weren't so stupid, you'd realize what a loser you are.

Fuck you too Asshole!

> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > aka
> > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 6:44 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cadb58d4-9481-473e-8a2c-ce5a154ce217@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Suspect all you want. Have you so little class than to stoop this
low? Actually my father was half Irish (father) and half Polish
(mother). What is dumb is that you continue to associate ethnicity
with intelligence. A bastard and a son of a bitch I am not and saying
so does not make it so. Iif there is a bith in all this, it is you.
I've run into your kind before ... courageous behind the keyboard, I
would love to have a one on one with you one day and challenge you to
repeat your insults face to face. I know you haven't the testicular
fortitude to do so and if you did, you'd learn a hard lesson in short
order. For the time being. I'm done wasting my time on you cretin.
I've better things to do, so Ed... GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!

Fuck you too Asshole!

> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Beware of Amazon "THE VINE" reviews
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8da2d40abfe91b32?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 1:27 pm
From: John Doe

Please be wary of reviews that are from "THE VINE". Apparently,
sometimes a manufacturer distributes free products to certain
Amazon reviewers for their review. I have a feeling that Amazon
awards those free products to reviewers who consistently rate
products highly (that could be determined with some research).

Following (see the link below) is an example of problematic
reviews on Amazon caused by "THE VINE"program. The first/oldest
page of reviews is very negative. Then, apparently Amazon and the
manufacturer gave some free samples of the product to "THE VINE"
users, and the average review score went way up. An extremely high
percentage of those "THE VINE" reviews include the exact wording
"not just for babies" in their review title. You can guess that is
because, thanks to the free sample, they had no real need for the
product.

http://www.amazon.com/First-Years-Premium-Digital-Monitor/product-reviews/B002WN2BY6/ref=cm_cr_pr_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

http://tinyurl.com/36rxup3

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TOPIC: Getting the last drop out of containers...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cabbc0c6df3923f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 5:03 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <8fc6j2Fq0iU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> For liquid laundry detergent, I have pliers next to the container and tear
> off the pour spout to get the last bit of detergent out. You can also add a
> bit of water and swish it around, then pour that in the laundry.
>
> I do the same with liquid dish soap. Add a bit of water, swish it around,
> then pour it on the dishes.
>
> For ketchup, I leave it upside down when it is almost empty. Also bang it on
> the counter top.
>
> Applesauce I'll leave upside down as well.
>
> For chocolate milk syrup, I'll add a bit of milk, shake, then pour into
> glass.

For all those items, when they are near empty, I simply store the bottle
upside down and let gravity do what gravity does best.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 9:13 pm
From: Derald

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

>For all those items, when they are near empty, I simply store the bottle
>upside down and let gravity do what gravity does best.
Unfortunately, for some that doesn't work. For example, the pour
spout on "Tide" liquid is a separate component that protrudes far
enough inside the bottle to prevent the last small quantity of liquid
to pour out.
--
Derald

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TOPIC: Great Value (Walmart/Perdue) chicken nuggets recalled
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0ce0be343e4abd6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 22 2010 9:46 pm
From: rincewind

On Sep 6, 10:43 am, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 12:26 am, rincewind <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 20, 3:38 pm, enough <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm curious as to why only stuff Perdue sent to Walmart had possible
> > contamination.
> > Perdue sends foods to lots of wholesalers, why was this shipment the
> > only one in danger.
>
> > And, why is this Walmart's fault? They didn't prepare the chicken,
> > Perdue did.
>
> The OP is a troll who spams this same crap over and over again. It
> posts the same stuff every few months. Zeez does the same thing. Just
> KF them and move along.

Oh. I should have realized that. Thanks for the heads up.

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TOPIC: U/$. currency to be re-designed?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 20 2010 10:00 pm
From: VFW

I've heard their looking to re-design the paper stuff.
Will all the old bills have to resurface and be converted.
I think I know where I hid most of it.
--
Karma, What a concept!

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TOPIC: Yet another preventable death blamed on SUVs?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 20, 5:33 am, "Duane Hebert" <s...@flarn.com> wrote:
> "Opus" <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:246bcbd6-62df-4abe-bc7a-32df9a16b381@l17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > live are dead ends) I get honked at and harassed by drivers because
> > "Yer in the street!". Somewhere in the last 40 years the attitude that
> > bicycles are transportation has vanished from the Anglophone world.
>
> Not just the Anglophone world. Just yesterday I heard, "t'es dans la
> rue maudite!" If find that idiocy isn't restricted to race.

The Anglophone image of the world is transmitted to the world via
Hollywood and then translated into many languages. The UK seems to be
the rara avis here where they seem to enjoy their own shows. ;)

Well, maybe Bollywood is important to India. ;)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:35 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 20, 8:42 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f49d9177-18e2-4e49-b155-8f97f9c38bd8@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> [...]> Ed, I acknowledge you are the greatest spammer here and since you want
>
> to be remembered by posterity, you leave me alone.
>
> "Stop proliferating threads on a single topic and I will not bother you. I
> regard you as one dumb son of a bitch who is way too stupid for these
> newsgroups. The sooner some motorist puts you out of your misery, the better
> for the world." - Ed Dolan
>
> > How do you think you'll be remember?
>
> No one is ever remembered for long. However, I will remember you as the
> Greatest Idiot ever to post to Usenet. Why not just post one original
> message per week since you never have anything new to say. Once you have
> posted that message, then stay on it for the rest of the week. See if you
> can get anyone to respond - or are you even too imbecilic for that!
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Do you think that people will remember "Ed Dolan the Great from
Minnesota" 50 years from now?

The Wise Tibetan Monkey though will be remembered forever. ;)

Not even Jesus is known among the Jews, Muslims or Chinese.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 7:46 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 19, 7:25 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >snip quoted material<
> > So TM is right. So what?
>
> > He has been posting the same old shit over over for at least a year now.
> > Every day it is a new posting on the same old subject. That is the sort of
> > thing that destroys small newsgroups. He is a spammer pure and simple. It is
> > irrelevant whether he is right or not. He is a crashing bore and a
> > simpleton. And if you take him seriously, then you are too.
>
> > You should have posted your above message as an original subject separate
> > from him if you wanted anyone to read it. Everyone has kill-filed TM because
> > he is nothing but a g.d. nuisance.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> I guess you weren't there when they were doing the lessons on teaching
> to dummies. Repetition is the key to learning, over and over again
> until it sinks in. One could post the same thing about you and your
> use of swear words.
>
> I take TM seriously because what he posts jibes with my observations
> on my daily rides. I don't agree with his similes about jungles and
> bananas, but his direct statements are factual and from my experience
> truthful. Note that factual and truthful are not the same thing,
> factual means testable in the real world, truthful means a fact that
> has tested true under at least one circumstance.

Opus, your incident touched me a lot, and sometimes I have similar
nightmares. I was spit in my face by an angry driver but that doesn't
compare. I'm not afraid to die though. I'm afraid to be broken up and
then abandoned. To be honest, despite my wisdom, I have a hard time
forgiving or forgetting. That TERRORIST that left you bleeding... I'd
unleash the mighty power we use in Afghanistan to hunt him down. A
drone would be perfect.

Hit-and-runs are a common occurrence here too, almost every cyclist
can account for one, and nobody makes an issue out of it. He --and his
kind-- get my banana for the time being...

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Giving%20The%20Finger.jpg

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:34 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

Many people must be wondering where I get my wisdom from... Well, I
get it from the source, the animals that reveal our worst and best
instincts. In this case, I got good news for you.

Most animals can be tamed and made happy. They don't worry about death
or hell, they just enjoy the day. They fear no God, but fear the
bigger animals. Well, I fear a Christian behind the wheel of an SUV,
which proves they can be affected by animal instincts too and want to
be bigger than the others.

I wonder why people haven't tapped into the source before. Of course,
Aesop did but his messages are often forgotten in order to learn
twisted metaphors from the Bible.

Here's some wisdom of his...

A crust eaten in peace is better than a banquet partaken in anxiety.
Aesop

A doubtful friend is worse than a certain enemy. Let a man be one
thing or the other, and we then know how to meet him.
Aesop

A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth.
Aesop

Adventure is worthwhile.
Aesop

Affairs are easier of entrance than of exit; and it is but common
prudence to see our way out before we venture in.
Aesop

After all is said and done, more is said than done.
Aesop

Any excuse will serve a tyrant.
Aesop

Appearances are often deceiving.
Aesop

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/aesop.html

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Never mix species of different size without proper care"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:29 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great is like God the Almighty
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:36 am
From: JimmyMac

On Sep 18, 8:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ef1569bb-6391-4f66-86c5-c68c248c965a@y3g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 4:06 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:f12be5b9-7772-40dd-8b18-b3d1882dd47f@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 17, 1:39 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> > [...]
>
> > > "There is all kinds of spam." - Ed Dolan
>
> > >> According to you, but not the masses who recognize SPAM for what it is
> > and what it is not. You are not SPAMing TM. What you are doing is
> > merely inserting your copy and paste boilerplate into his post and
> > that is an indication that you read his post, take issue with his post
> > and care enough to devote the time to respond. You are dancing to his
> > music no matter what you have to say in the matter and to think you
> > label as idiots that reply exempting yourself. The conundrum
> > continues.
>
> > All I do is read the subject heading of TM's posts. It is always the same
> > old subject with the same old idiotic message.
> >>> Responded to with the same old copy and paste, idiotic bolerplate
>
> riposte and that somehow is better???
>
> I am fighting spam with spam.

Well actually no you're not. You still dont know what SPAM is

>What makes more sense than that? Unlike you,
> I do not waste time and effort on morons.

I agree. I really should stop wasting my time on you.

> > Since that is all it is, copy
> > and paste is quite appropriate. I consider all of it nothing but spam. TM
> > is
> > too god damn fucking stupid to ever be a troll. I mean to step on his
> > posts
> > for all eternity until he learns to cease his spamming.
> >>> Good luck with that.
>
> Nothing is easier than copy and paste.

Nothing is lazier you meant to say.

> > > > > Regards,
>
> > > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > > aka
> > > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:43 am
From: JimmyMac

On Sep 19, 8:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cb156b1b-676f-4687-a0d6-29bcf6cc17ef@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 8:03 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > but I will not talk to a stalker like you.
> >> AND, you are doing what then exactly?
>
> What I am doing, exactly, is dismissing you, but you are too self-absorbed
> to know when you are not welcome.

So then you are talking to me and continue to do so.

> [...]
>
> > You can stop stalking me any time you want and I assure you no one else on
> > these newsgroups will ever miss you. Unlike you, I find plenty of others
> > to
> > engage in interesting discussions.
> >> I'm just telling you what others have told you over time. You weren't
>
> missed any of the times you left, so why come back? Copy and paste is
> not engaging others in discussion. You don't have discussions. You
> proselytize. There is no give and take. With you, it is your way or
> the highway. You are a bore!
>
> All you will ever get from me is more of the same. Don't like it? Then
> leave!

I don't expect anything else from you since you are incapable of
anything better. It really has to suck to be you. What a loser.

> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 9:50 am
From: JimmyMac

On Sep 19, 9:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:01ee1905-70af-4a95-8fbc-464a7183fae1@h25g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 8:20 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Low class Irish culture is the worst in the world and Irish drinking songs
> > are the pits. I am lace curtain Irish and want nothing to do with the
> > dregs
> > of that abominable culture. Like James Joyce, anyone of intelligence could
> > not get out of Ireland fast enough.
>
> > The popular Irish song and dance that is imported to this country is a
> > disgrace. I literally run from it as I would the Devil. Sometimes I am
> > embarrassed to be of Irish ancestry.
> >> Ed is referring to shanty Irish, but he is beneath that being pig-shit
>
> Irish. I too am ashamed that Dolan is of Irish ancestry.
>
> McNamara is not really Irish at all. He is a dumb Pole. Chicago is well
> known as being a safe harbor for dumb Poles. His wife is most likely a dumb
> Pole too.

Yep McNamara is definitely a Polish name ... NOT! truth be told, I am
Irish, English and Polish, but this is little to do about nothing?
There is no significant correlation between ethnicity and
intelligence. Intelligence is not ethnically linked, but I would
expect nothing less preposterous from the Minnesota loon. I wonder
when Dolan is going to do something about his mental illness.

> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:09 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d675bb1e-e8d7-4442-ae8a-53a7cedf96be@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 8:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> > but I will not talk to a stalker like you.
> >> AND, you are doing what then exactly?
>
> What I am doing, exactly, is dismissing you, but you are too self-absorbed
> to know when you are not welcome.

>>>> So then you are talking to me and continue to do so.

I stopped talking to you some years ago, but you are too stupid to realize
it.
[...]

> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:18 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 19, 9:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> McNamara is not really Irish at all. He is a dumb Pole. Chicago is well
> known as being a safe harbor for dumb Poles. His wife is most likely a
> dumb
> Pole too.

>> Yep McNamara is definitely a Polish name ... NOT! truth be told, I am
Irish, English and Polish, but this is little to do about nothing?

I suspect McNamara was not your father. Some dumb Pole got to your mother
while he was not looking. In short, you are a bastard and a son of a bitch.

>> There is no significant correlation between ethnicity and
intelligence. Intelligence is not ethnically linked, but I would
expect nothing less preposterous from the Minnesota loon. I wonder
when Dolan is going to do something about his mental illness.

"I suspect McNamara was not your biological father. Some dumb Pole got to
your mother while he was not looking. In short, you are a bastard and a son
of a bitch." - Ed Dolan

> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 11:33 am
From: VFW

Have you ever noticed that some people function in a world where they
feel that for them to do well, someone has to do poorly?
It's like they haven't noticed that there is plenty. Plenty for
everyone. Esp. if you share what you do have, it comes back to you. And
you realize "Greed" is not necessary.
Enjoy the moment! It's special.
It's NOW.
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:25 pm
From: Al

VFW wrote:
> Have you ever noticed that some people function in a world where they
> feel that for them to do well, someone has to do poorly?
> It's like they haven't noticed that there is plenty. Plenty for
> everyone. Esp. if you share what you do have, it comes back to you. And
> you realize "Greed" is not necessary.
> Enjoy the moment! It's special.
> It's NOW.
> --

I suspect you notice this because you continually look for someone to
share with you.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 2:43 pm
From: "Bill"

"VFW" wrote in message
> Have you ever noticed that some people function in a world where they
> feel that for them to do well, someone has to do poorly?
>

Yes. Like with playing the game of pool in a bar. Some people devote a LOT
of energy trying to distract their opponent and make their opponent play
bad.

Whereas other players use their energy to practice and learn about the game.

Of course the "cheaters" do not consider that those who spend their time
learning can also learn to ignore distractions. So cheating does not get
them very far...

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 11:34 am
From: Paul Michaels

A few years ago I was living in a home where the air handler was up in
the attic. I neglected to ever maintain the air handler's drain pipe
so it eventually clogged up and started leaking water down through the
bathroom's exhaust fan.

That unfortunate experience taught me to check, clean, and flush out
the pipe at least once a year. I took pictures of the process this
time and created a quick guide.

Here's the gallery page - http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/HVAC-Condensate-Drain-Pipe-Cleaning-Guide

A wet/dry vacuum makes the procedure easier, but just flushing out the
pipe with water is usually enough to keep the pipe relatively clear.

Cheers,
Paul Michaels
Ft. Lauderdale, FL

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:22 pm
From: Al

Paul Michaels wrote:
> A few years ago I was living in a home where the air handler was up in
> the attic. I neglected to ever maintain the air handler's drain pipe
> so it eventually clogged up and started leaking water down through the
> bathroom's exhaust fan.
>
> That unfortunate experience taught me to check, clean, and flush out
> the pipe at least once a year. I took pictures of the process this
> time and created a quick guide.
>
> Here's the gallery page - http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/HVAC-Condensate-Drain-Pipe-Cleaning-Guide
>
> A wet/dry vacuum makes the procedure easier, but just flushing out the
> pipe with water is usually enough to keep the pipe relatively clear.

Why pay attention to someone who makes so many household blunders?
>
> Cheers,
> Paul Michaels
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 12:18 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 17, 8:50 am, Sir Jeremy <pete.a...@virgin.net> wrote:
> On 17 Sep, 09:56, "john hamilton" <bluesta...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock &
> > the Stationary Bicycle to burn the calories" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote in messagenews:3d10b2b0-ef23-4024-834d-9dc68ccaf1d0@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > sometime ago i saw an interview with a very very old lady, when asked if it
> > was so much better with horses in the road than cars, she said that she
> > lived in the edgware road and the noise from the horses hooves was terrible
> > and the cars were much quieter....
>
> and don't defaecate

Cars fart poisonous gas.

That's a powerful metaphor, huh?

I rather live with horse shit.

-----------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"I rather take horse shit than bullshit"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 10:27 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 17, 8:50 am, Sir Jeremy <pete.a...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> On 17 Sep, 09:56, "john hamilton" <bluesta...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>> > Tantra-Hammock &
>> > the Stationary Bicycle to burn the calories"
>> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote in
>> > messagenews:3d10b2b0-ef23-4024-834d-9dc68ccaf1d0@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > sometime ago i saw an interview with a very very old lady, when asked
>> > if it
>> > was so much better with horses in the road than cars, she said that she
>> > lived in the edgware road and the noise from the horses hooves was
>> > terrible
>> > and the cars were much quieter....
>>
>> and don't defaecate
>
> Cars fart poisonous gas.
>
> That's a powerful metaphor, huh?
>
> I rather live with horse shit.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:10 pm
From: VFW

a cheap Volt-Meter can accurately measure the real voltage of various
small batteries you use around the house.
Like the other day , The remote wouldn't work and out of four batteries
in it. Only one was low. I replaced just the one and saved $$$
Mostly we use rechargeable ones. Tho.
they cost less in the not too long run.
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 21 2010 1:20 pm
From: Al

VFW wrote:
> a cheap Volt-Meter can accurately measure the real voltage of various
> small batteries you use around the house.
> Like the other day , The remote wouldn't work and out of four batteries
> in it. Only one was low. I replaced just the one and saved $$$
> Mostly we use rechargeable ones. Tho.
> they cost less in the not too long run.
> --
> Karma, What a concept!

In some situations like a remote, the rechargeable battery can cost
more to operate. The shelf life on an alkaline battery is years. The
shelf life on the CHARGE of a rechargeable can be as little as 30
days. The draw on the remote is negligible so a set can last for
years. Meanwhile, you may end up changing and charging those nicads
dozens of times plus the inconvenience involved. A good alkaline is
4/$1 at Dollar Tree. I save rechargeables for high intensity
situations like cameras and power equipment.

Yes, a VOM can help diagnose and save money. Even so, common sense is
way better. Using both is priceless.

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