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TOPIC: PREGNANCY ...,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 20 2011 8:52 pm
From: den
Sick bastard. Take your crap elsewhere.
Rate, and Report.
Waste of time.
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TOPIC: California claims it's "broke"? Yet illegal alien parents collect $600
million+ for their anchor babies ($30 million increase from 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cbe811367ab17cea?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 4:54 am
From: brad herschel
On Jan 21, 12:46 am, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
<GWashing...@teapartycentral.net> wrote:
> Excerpt:
>
> "[Supervisor] Antonovich acknowledges that the
> children whose benefits he's focusing on are
> U.S.-born. But he argues that THE MONEY IS
> COLLECTED BY THE ILLEGAL ALIEN PARENTS, putting
> a painful burden on taxpayers, including those
> who are legal immigrants.
>
> The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their
> parents evidently immigrated here in order to
> get on social services," Antonovich spokesman
> Tony Bell said. "We can no longer afford to be
> HMO to the world."
>
> Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in
> L.A. County
>
> January 19, 2011
>
> Welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants cost America's
> largest county more than $600 million last year, according to a local
> official keeping tabs on the cost.
>
> Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich released new
> statistics this week showing social spending for those families in his
> county rose to $53 million in November, putting the county government
> on track to spend more than $600 million on related costs for the year
> -- up from $570 million in 2009.
>
> Antonovich arrived at the estimate by factoring in the cost of food
> stamps and welfare-style benefits through a state program known as
> CalWORKS. Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the
> official claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county
> taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010.
>
> "Not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education," he
> said in a statement.
>
> Antonovich's figures, though, center on costs generated by
> American-born children of illegal immigrants. Isabel Alegria,
> communications director at the California Immigrant Policy Center, said
> it's "unfair" to roll together costs associated with both illegal
> immigrants and U.S.-born citizens.
>
> "Those children are U.S. citizens, children eligible for those
> programs," Alegria said.
>
> She also questioned the authenticity of Antonovich's numbers regarding
> health care and public safety -- though for the welfare program
> statistics, Antonovich cited numbers from the county's Department of
> Public Social Services.
>
> Antonovich acknowledges that the children whose benefits he's focusing
> on are U.S.-born. But he argues that the money is collected by the
> illegal immigrant parents, putting a painful burden on taxpayers,
> including those who are legal immigrants.
>
> "The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their parents evidently
> immigrated here in order to get on social services," Antonovich
> spokesman Tony Bell said. "We can no longer afford to be HMO to the
> world."
>
> He said the state should cut back on these social benefits. According
> to the November statistics, that cost accounted for 22 percent of all
> food stamp and CalWORKS spending in the county.
>
> Over the summer, the Federation for American Immigration Reform also
> looked at these kinds of costs nationwide to get an idea of the burden
> to local governments at a time when many are grappling with budget
> deficits.
>
> The organization reported that the cost of illegal immigration stands
> at about $113 billion a year. Nearly half of that amount went toward
> education costs, according to the study. Costs were naturally higher in
> states with large illegal immigrant populations -- in California, the
> total annual cost was pegged at $21.8 billion.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> What Would America's Founders Say?
>
> The two enemies of the people are criminals
> and government, so let us tie the second down
> with the chains of the Constitution so the
> second will not become the legalized version
> of the first.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> plow for those who do not.
> --Thomas Jefferson
>
> It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> men.
> --Samuel Adams
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain
> the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> in government.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> A free people ought not only to be armed and
> disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> independence from any who might attempt to
> abuse them, which would include their own
> government."
> -- George Washington
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> the slaughter.
> -- George Washington
>
> When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> commit crimes.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> populace.
> -- James Madison
>
> If the representatives of the people betray
> their constituents, there is then no resource
> left but in the exertion of that original
> right of self-defense which is paramount to
> all positive forms of government ... The
> citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> without concert, without system, without
> resource; except in their courage and despair
> ... The natural strength of the people in a
> large community, in proportion to the artificial
> strength of the government, is greater than in a
> small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> of good conscience to remain silent.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> are its only safe depositories.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> Action will delineate and define you.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> stand on does not constitute so strong an
> attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> of our monied corporations which dare already to
> challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more
> dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> forms of government those entrusted with power
> have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> it into tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> called "political correctness":
>
> Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> are so often used, are but three different names
> for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> --John Adams
>
And in a single county! First step would be to repeal that federal law
that requires hospitals to accept all emergency room
patients. Triage nurses should reject illegals except to stabilize
their condition, then a swift bus trip to the border.
> --
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 5:27 am
From: GLOBALIST
Why not wear an explosive vest and walk into Sacramento's state
congress to show how much it pisses you off, that other human beings
receive medical care.
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 6:03 am
From: %
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:54:39 -0800 (PST), brad herschel
<bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>And in a single county! First step would be to repeal that federal law
>that requires hospitals to accept all emergency room
>patients. Triage nurses should reject illegals except to stabilize
>their condition, then a swift bus trip to the border.
>
That makes sense and the first person to show up without insurance
will be turned away regardless of where they come from? Brilliant,
just brilliant. Once all those who need medical care are dead, we can
do away with all the doctors and hospitals permanently. You might be
able to scare even the elderly out of health care with threats that
they really aren't getting any, but we both know you don't stand any
chance of repealing that law.
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:28 am
From: Werner
On Jan 21, 8:27 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not wear an explosive vest and walk into Sacramento's state
> congress to show how much it pisses you off, that other human beings
> receive medical care.
Other human beings will receive less medical care because illegals get
more. Recources are limited. People who want them are not. Your
ideology does not create recources. It consumes them.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:33 am
From: Bert Hyman
In
news:95cbc967-789f-4685-938b-83ba7ab854f0@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
GLOBALIST <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not wear an explosive vest and walk into Sacramento's state
> congress to show how much it pisses you off, that other human beings
> receive medical care.
Maybe because he's not a psychopath, as you seem to be.
Was that really the first idea that came to your mind?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:34 am
From: Werner
On Jan 21, 9:03 am, % <perc...@gmail.not> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:54:39 -0800 (PST), brad herschel<bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >And in a single county! First step would be to repeal that federal law
> >that requires hospitals to accept all emergency room
> >patients. Triage nurses should reject illegals except to stabilize
> >their condition, then a swift bus trip to the border.
>
> That makes sense and the first person to show up without insurance
> will be turned away regardless of where they come from? Brilliant,
> just brilliant. Once all those who need medical care are dead, we can
> do away with all the doctors and hospitals permanently. You might be
> able to scare even the elderly out of health care with threats that
> they really aren't getting any, but we both know you don't stand any
> chance of repealing that law.
Once freeloaders consume resources people will be turned away because
the resources will be used up. You are beginning to see it now.
Police, fire, and others are losing jobs now as well, as private
business employees have. Times, they are a changing.
http://www.EndIt.info/how.html
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 7:34 am
From: Werner
On Jan 21, 8:27 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not wear an explosive vest and walk into Sacramento's state
> congress to show how much it pisses you off, that other human beings
> receive medical care.
Other human beings will receive less medical care because illegals get
more. Recources are limited. People who want them are not. Your
ideology does not create recources. It consumes them.
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 8:39 am
From: McAffee
> And in a single county! First step would be to repeal that federal law
> that requires hospitals to accept all emergency room
> patients. Triage nurses should reject illegals except to stabilize
> their condition, then a swift bus trip to the border.
>
>
California deserves to reap what it sowed.It loves illegal Mexicans, let
them support the illegals.
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 8:40 am
From: McAffee
On 1/21/2011 6:27 AM, GLOBALIST wrote:
> Why not wear an explosive vest and walk into Sacramento's state
> congress to show how much it pisses you off, that other human beings
> receive medical care.
Why don't you be a real globalist and move to Haiti where you can
practice VooDoo and cure every asshole you bleed about.
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 9:03 am
From: mg
All of the Mexicans I know are hard working people and are undoubtedly
paying taxes. Many of those immigrants help harvest California crops
which lowers our food bill and the reason they show up at the
emergency rooms is undoubtedly because their employers don't provide
insurance. If legal America citizens were working those jobs, they
would also be without insurance, and they would also be showing up at
emergency rooms, probably in larger numbers.
On Jan 21, 5:54 am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 12:46 am, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
>
>
>
> <GWashing...@teapartycentral.net> wrote:
> > Excerpt:
>
> > "[Supervisor] Antonovich acknowledges that the
> > children whose benefits he's focusing on are
> > U.S.-born. But he argues that THE MONEY IS
> > COLLECTED BY THE ILLEGAL ALIEN PARENTS, putting
> > a painful burden on taxpayers, including those
> > who are legal immigrants.
>
> > The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their
> > parents evidently immigrated here in order to
> > get on social services," Antonovich spokesman
> > Tony Bell said. "We can no longer afford to be
> > HMO to the world."
>
> > Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in
> > L.A. County
>
> > January 19, 2011
>
> > Welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants cost America's
> > largest county more than $600 million last year, according to a local
> > official keeping tabs on the cost.
>
> > Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich released new
> > statistics this week showing social spending for those families in his
> > county rose to $53 million in November, putting the county government
> > on track to spend more than $600 million on related costs for the year
> > -- up from $570 million in 2009.
>
> > Antonovich arrived at the estimate by factoring in the cost of food
> > stamps and welfare-style benefits through a state program known as
> > CalWORKS. Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the
> > official claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county
> > taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010.
>
> > "Not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education," he
> > said in a statement.
>
> > Antonovich's figures, though, center on costs generated by
> > American-born children of illegal immigrants. Isabel Alegria,
> > communications director at the California Immigrant Policy Center, said
> > it's "unfair" to roll together costs associated with both illegal
> > immigrants and U.S.-born citizens.
>
> > "Those children are U.S. citizens, children eligible for those
> > programs," Alegria said.
>
> > She also questioned the authenticity of Antonovich's numbers regarding
> > health care and public safety -- though for the welfare program
> > statistics, Antonovich cited numbers from the county's Department of
> > Public Social Services.
>
> > Antonovich acknowledges that the children whose benefits he's focusing
> > on are U.S.-born. But he argues that the money is collected by the
> > illegal immigrant parents, putting a painful burden on taxpayers,
> > including those who are legal immigrants.
>
> > "The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their parents evidently
> > immigrated here in order to get on social services," Antonovich
> > spokesman Tony Bell said. "We can no longer afford to be HMO to the
> > world."
>
> > He said the state should cut back on these social benefits. According
> > to the November statistics, that cost accounted for 22 percent of all
> > food stamp and CalWORKS spending in the county.
>
> > Over the summer, the Federation for American Immigration Reform also
> > looked at these kinds of costs nationwide to get an idea of the burden
> > to local governments at a time when many are grappling with budget
> > deficits.
>
> > The organization reported that the cost of illegal immigration stands
> > at about $113 billion a year. Nearly half of that amount went toward
> > education costs, according to the study. Costs were naturally higher in
> > states with large illegal immigrant populations -- in California, the
> > total annual cost was pegged at $21.8 billion.
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> > What Would America's Founders Say?
>
> > The two enemies of the people are criminals
> > and government, so let us tie the second down
> > with the chains of the Constitution so the
> > second will not become the legalized version
> > of the first.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> > plow for those who do not.
> > --Thomas Jefferson
>
> > It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> > rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> > setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> > men.
> > --Samuel Adams
>
> > The strongest reason for the people to retain
> > the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> > resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> > in government.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > A free people ought not only to be armed and
> > disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> > arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> > independence from any who might attempt to
> > abuse them, which would include their own
> > government."
> > -- George Washington
>
> > No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> > dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> > the slaughter.
> > -- George Washington
>
> > When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> > When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> > those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> > commit crimes.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> > standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> > populace.
> > -- James Madison
>
> > If the representatives of the people betray
> > their constituents, there is then no resource
> > left but in the exertion of that original
> > right of self-defense which is paramount to
> > all positive forms of government ... The
> > citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> > without concert, without system, without
> > resource; except in their courage and despair
> > ... The natural strength of the people in a
> > large community, in proportion to the artificial
> > strength of the government, is greater than in a
> > small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> > be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> > -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> > of good conscience to remain silent.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> > rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> > are its only safe depositories.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> > so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> > Action will delineate and define you.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> > stand on does not constitute so strong an
> > attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> > of our monied corporations which dare already to
> > challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> > and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > I believe that banking institutions are more
> > dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> > forms of government those entrusted with power
> > have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> > it into tyranny.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> > called "political correctness":
>
> > Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> > your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> > politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> > are so often used, are but three different names
> > for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> > --John Adams
>
> And in a single county! First step would be to repeal that federal law
> that requires hospitals to accept all emergency room
> patients. Triage nurses should reject illegals except to stabilize
> their condition, then a swift bus trip to the border.
>
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 3:11 pm
From: mg
On Jan 21, 9:39 am, McAffee <liber...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid> wrote:
> > And in a single county! First step would be to repeal that federal law
> > that requires hospitals to accept all emergency room
> > patients. Triage nurses should reject illegals except to stabilize
> > their condition, then a swift bus trip to the border.
>
> California deserves to reap what it sowed.It loves illegal Mexicans, let
> them support the illegals.
If you want a real nightmare, imagine what would happen to the price
of fruit if white guys, with a teamster contract, were picking fruit.
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 5:16 pm
From: Werner
On Jan 21, 11:40 am, McAffee <liber...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/21/2011 6:27 AM, GLOBALIST wrote:
>
> > Why not wear an explosive vest and walk into Sacramento's state
> > congress to show how much it pisses you off, that other human beings
> > receive medical care.
>
> Why don't you be a real globalist and move to Haiti where you can
> practice VooDoo and cure every asshole you bleed about.
It's probable that globalist doesn't bleed about anyone nor help the
disadvantaged. Globalist just carps about others not doing enough. It
makes him/her feel superior without actually doing anything.
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TOPIC: Getting a free prepaid mastercard FREE and charge it with 50$ free now
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 9:31 am
From: soso essa
Getting a free prepaid mastercard FREE and charge it with 50$ free now
http://forum.agd3as7ab.com/showthread.php?t=994
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TOPIC: missed cashing check
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 9:33 am
From: KenK
J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in news:ihaqvh$kth$1@news.eternal-
september.org:
> In a pile of old mail, I found an insurance rebate check for $16 I'd put
> aside in July. The check says it was good for 6 months, which ended a
> week ago. Can I still get my rebate?
Try and see what happens at the bank - without mentioning date. I've done
the same and they cashed them no problem.
--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 10:37 am
From: "Bob F"
KenK wrote:
> J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in news:ihaqvh$kth$1@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> In a pile of old mail, I found an insurance rebate check for $16 I'd
>> put aside in July. The check says it was good for 6 months, which
>> ended a week ago. Can I still get my rebate?
>
> Try and see what happens at the bank - without mentioning date. I've
> done the same and they cashed them no problem.
And the insurance Co refuses it, so you get the bad check charge?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 6:53 pm
From: "The Henchman"
"Bob F" wrote in message news:ihcjol$mtc$1@news.eternal-september.org...
KenK wrote:
> J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote in news:ihaqvh$kth$1@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> In a pile of old mail, I found an insurance rebate check for $16 I'd
>> put aside in July. The check says it was good for 6 months, which
>> ended a week ago. Can I still get my rebate?
>
> Try and see what happens at the bank - without mentioning date. I've
> done the same and they cashed them no problem.
And the insurance Co refuses it, so you get the bad check charge?
-----------------
Bad check charges at $37 at my bank. Yes it's high. (they have no fees for
most transactions).
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TOPIC: Hell of a time getting a 'cork' out of wine bottle
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 10:40 am
From: anthona
In the past, I have no problems with my cork puller on cork caps of
wine bottles. But lately, every now and then one buys a bottle whch is
sealed with a black wrapper, that eventually exposes what actual plug
you have. This time it was what looked like, but doubt, an opaque
coloring of a wax plug. For some reason I had a hell of time with my
usual reliable wine puller, but not this time. I could upload a
picture of it, but am at loss on how to do it here. I dugged and
picked with knives, screwdrivers and etc..and couldn't pry it out.
Obviously, after about an half hour or so, i managed..fortunately,
there were no guests waiting for a glass of wine. Does anyone know
what those plugs are made of and an easier way to remove them? Thought
of soaking in water, hot or cold, but held back on that theory. Also,
why some bottles have the good old corks and others are either screwed
caps or as i had on this one ..a 'wax' plug? I would like to avoid
going through this again..how does one know when buying a bottle of
wine? BTW, this bottle was exported from Italy...if that should make a
difference.
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TOPIC: Depreciation
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/42605948e926b649?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 11:21 am
From: BIGtitties
I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
longevity/depreciation.
I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
didn't think to look
for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
Intentional?
I'll probably never know.
But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 12:46 pm
From: Irwell
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:21:14 -0800 (PST), BIGtitties wrote:
> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long enough to determine
> longevity/depreciation.
>
> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school,
> didn't think to look
> for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
>
> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
>
> Intentional?
>
> I'll probably never know.
>
> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
Carburretor, starting handle, ammeter, oil pressure gage,
wind-up windows, etc.etc.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 1:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
BIGtitties wrote:
> I doubt I'll own my 2010 Accent 4-door long
> enough to determine longevity/depreciation.
Your problem.
> I bought a new 2010 Accent two months ago, but, being old-school, didn't
> think to look for or ask about a TEMPERATURE GAUGE at time of purchase.
> And the salesman didn't tell me about this missing instrument,
> either. Since that day he's been hard to contact.
> Intentional?
Unlikely given that few modern cars have them.
> I'll probably never know.
> But the absence of an in-dash analog gauge has made me uncomfortable,
Then fit an after market analog temperature guage. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
> and skeptical. Like what ELSE DOESN'T this motor vehicle have?
It doesnt have a buggy whip, or reins, or helmets for the occupants either.
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TOPIC: Hiking Boots
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/93e5637da7657a52?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 2:51 pm
From: "Alan Justice"
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4d35d4a0$0$44056$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> On 1/6/2011 3:19 PM, fastfreddy wrote:
> > Anyone give their recommendations for a good place to find good hiking
> > boots and brand of boot for humid tropical climates where it rains alot?
> > Something that breathes and can be made waterproof also. Something that
you
> > can walk a long ways in and still not get blisters. I am guessing
leather
> > uppers with maybe Vibram soles, but I don't really know. Is it even
> > possible to have waterproof boots that still breath, maybe not?
>
> Look for:
>
> -Full grain leather upper. Not nubuck, not fabric.
> -Goretex lining. Never buy hiking boots that are not Goretex lined.
> -Vibram sole. Accept no substitutes.
>
> These won't be inexpensive of course. I.e.
> <http://www.rei.com/product/693828>. I got these when they were on sale
> a few years ago for around $160.
>
> Also be careful to buy the proper width (higher end boots come in
> different widths), and wear the proper socks that help avoid blisters.
>
> Another excellent boot is this one
>
<http://www.danner.com/boots/mountain-lighttm-ii-mens-womens-hiking-boots.ht
ml>
> but it seems to be impossible to buy it anywhere except on-line. I had a
> pair that I got at REI but they wore out after 20 years and REI doesn't
> carry them anymore. The big advantage of this boot is that the sole is
> stitched, rather than glued, which is very rare these days. These boots
> are still made in the U.S.A. too.
I have some Danners I bought locally. (I can't imagine buying footwear
without trying it on first.) My feet love them. However they ruin all my
socks by staining them maroon, the color of the leather. I assumed it would
all get worn off eventually, but not after many hundreds of miles.
--
Alan Justice
http://home.earthlink.net/~wildlifepaparazzi/
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TOPIC: Cabals of idiots
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/30189b27c073f5f7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 6:09 pm
From: phil scott
I'm a consulting engineer with projects nationally and for many
fortune
500 companies and govt (weapons and aerospace)... now semi retired.
It dawns on me ever so slowly that that there seem to be two camps...
'
those who can actually DO the math.. *think with the math, and
therefore arrive at systems and solutions that actually work....
and..
Those who actually cannot do the math...
....these hold opinion in equal regard, buy whatever special interest
rhetoric
is greased up the nicest... and then watch their systems, states or
nations fail..
then lie about the causes.. because they are unable to compute the
actual
causes........ and... in their defense, their constituents for the
most part can't do the math either, so do not accept rational
answers..
only irrational answers that sound good.
Thats how and why those that can't do the math rule!
RULE I said
This mechanism is taken advantage of by armies of people who do not
produce, but do bleed a company or nation dry... in the case of
companies, gov't can and does ruin many of them.
In the case of nations it seems the heirarchy of banking interests
has
done a spectacular job, aided by idiots who can't do the math..and
thats over 95% of the population, and maybe only 90% of elected
officials.
There are those within the banking industry. central banking, that can
do the math. in spades, and support, impliment and condone such ruin
for their own interests,,, these are criminals of course,, joined in
league with those who can't do the math.... these win.
***
Idiots will generally not elect someone that does not pander to their
error ...
These will howevere support someone who talks boldly in down to
earth sensible language.. on solid ground...
the tea party is a good example of that. it has the powers that be
terrified,
Next will come a barrage of attempts to compromise the tea party...
but it already knows that as long it stands on the founding documents
it cannot be compromised... one is either in support of
constitutional behavor or not, abt sort of spin simply exposes
itself,
The Tea party stands on the unmistakeable solid ground of the founding
documents and does not say just no to deviatiant excursions from
that... easy for the people to understand, who say not just no, but
'hell no' to deviations
and ruinous govt bloat that has taken every nation known to man down
prior to ours.
.
that seems to be pervasively true in my fields and in politics.
Phil scott
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TOPIC: Article: "The zero-waste home"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/bc6e750928020bd2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 21 2011 9:53 pm
From: "Bob F"
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>> Yes, she does have a point. Its the reduced comsumption thats
>> currently producing much higher than desirable unemployment rates in
>> the US.
That could be partially true, if anything we "consumed" was actually made in the
US.
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