Frugal Living: Mar 27, 2011

Sunday, March 27, 2011

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Today's topics:

* IT`S TOO HOT GURU - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/047d6bec29200c49?hl=en
* Is the Revolution coming to the UK? Thousands crowd central London - 11
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/55080ad6d4566aa5?hl=en
* I'm having fantasies about Mary Magdalene --prostitution evil? - 2 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/02eb2ac4e0c0cdc5?hl=en
* "Smart" meter stories - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/debaba40623b3432?hl=en
* If every roof was a solar panel - 7 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/dd0a5af9cc4337f6?hl=en
* Hearing aid w/o going through a doctor - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/88c2def11505111d?hl=en
* Outrageous (operator assisted) phone charges - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e2bf0b6ebd705505?hl=en
* Discount Wholesale Affliction Jeans Armani Jeans Christian Audigier Jeans
True Religion Jeans and so on <free shipping paypal payment> (http://www.24
hours-online.com/ ) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9023b55dd77f6b49?hl=en

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TOPIC: IT`S TOO HOT GURU
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/047d6bec29200c49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:04 pm
From: RHANI

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TOPIC: Is the Revolution coming to the UK? Thousands crowd central London
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/55080ad6d4566aa5?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 6:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> party".

That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
gas.

They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
borrowing from China.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 7:22 am
From: Derek C

On Mar 27, 2:50 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> > party".
>
> That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
> gas.
>
> They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
> borrowing from China.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wish 'gas' was that cheap in the UK?

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 7:56 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2:50 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > > > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > > > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > > > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > > > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > > > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > > > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > > > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > > > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > > There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> > > party".
>
> > That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
> > gas.
>
> > They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
> > borrowing from China.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I wish 'gas' was that cheap in the UK?

Your "rebellion boiling point" is 8 bucks the litre of "petrol."

Gee, why haven't you converted to the American system?

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 8:10 am
From: Derek C

On Mar 27, 3:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 27, 2:50 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > > > > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > > > > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > > > > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > > > > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > > > > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > > > > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > > > > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > > > > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > > > There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> > > > party".
>
> > > That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
> > > gas.
>
> > > They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
> > > borrowing from China.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I wish 'gas' was that cheap in the UK?
>
> Your "rebellion boiling point" is 8 bucks the litre of "petrol."
>
> Gee, why haven't you converted to the American system?-
>

Why haven't the Yanks converted to SI units yet, which nearly every
other country in the world use?

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 8:17 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 27, 11:10 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 3:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 27, 2:50 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > > > > > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > > > > > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > > > > > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > > > > > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > > > > > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > > > > > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > > > > > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > > > > > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> > > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > > > > There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> > > > > party".
>
> > > > That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
> > > > gas.
>
> > > > They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
> > > > borrowing from China.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I wish 'gas' was that cheap in the UK?
>
> > Your "rebellion boiling point" is 8 bucks the litre of "petrol."
>
> > Gee, why haven't you converted to the American system?-
>
> Why haven't the Yanks converted to SI units yet, which nearly every
> other country in the world use?

Yep, it's a pain in the arse when looking for a tool for the bike, but
I think our system is blessed by God. Things are the way they are,
period.

I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 8:33 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 27, 11:17 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.

1982
"President Ronald Reagan disbanded the U.S. Metric Board and
canceled its funding. Responsibility for metric coordination was
transferred to the Office of Metric Programs in the Department of
Commerce."

Yeah, he sure did. But we can't blame it on stupidity as he was trying
to save "taxpayers money," and that is a sacred cow.

Money --in the Conservative psyche-- is only well spent in weapons.
But are they metric or standard?

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 8:50 am
From: Derek C

On Mar 27, 4:17 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 11:10 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 27, 3:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 27, 2:50 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > > > > > > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > > > > > > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > > > > > > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > > > > > > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > > > > > > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > > > > > > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > > > > > > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > > > > > > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> > > > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > > > > > There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> > > > > > party".
>
> > > > > That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
> > > > > gas.
>
> > > > > They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
> > > > > borrowing from China.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I wish 'gas' was that cheap in the UK?
>
> > > Your "rebellion boiling point" is 8 bucks the litre of "petrol."
>
> > > Gee, why haven't you converted to the American system?-
>
> > Why haven't the Yanks converted to SI units yet, which nearly every
> > other country in the world use?
>
> Yep, it's a pain in the arse when looking for a tool for the bike, but
> I think our system is blessed by God. Things are the way they are,
> period.
>
> I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You don't even have proper gallons in the US, as they are only about
83% of the volume of a UK Imperial Gallon! Makes the gas guzzling mpg
figures of a V8 SUV seem even more impressive!

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 9:10 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 27, 11:50 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 4:17 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 11:10 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 27, 3:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 27, 2:50 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 26, 11:46 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2:34 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
> > > > > > > > have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
> > > > > > > > entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
> > > > > > > > the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.
>
> > > > > > > > And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.
>
> > > > > > > > LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
> > > > > > > > into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
> > > > > > > > cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
> > > > > > > > breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.
>
> > > > > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest
>
> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > > > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > > > > > > There is a budding Uncut movement in the US. The left wing "tea
> > > > > > > party".
>
> > > > > > That's true. But their revolution is all about taxes and the price of
> > > > > > gas.
>
> > > > > > They'll only rebel when the gallon hits 8 bucks. And they are OK with
> > > > > > borrowing from China.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > I wish 'gas' was that cheap in the UK?
>
> > > > Your "rebellion boiling point" is 8 bucks the litre of "petrol."
>
> > > > Gee, why haven't you converted to the American system?-
>
> > > Why haven't the Yanks converted to SI units yet, which nearly every
> > > other country in the world use?
>
> > Yep, it's a pain in the arse when looking for a tool for the bike, but
> > I think our system is blessed by God. Things are the way they are,
> > period.
>
> > I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You don't even have proper gallons in the US, as they are only about
> 83% of the volume of a UK Imperial Gallon! Makes the gas guzzling mpg
> figures of a V8 SUV seem even more impressive!

What better way for America not to be part of the British Empire to
renounce the Imperial Gallon. I don't know, but it seems like many
Americans would think of the metric system as one world government
(socialism).

Some question that view though:

On Mar 27, 11:53 am, Dänk 666 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 9:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 11:17 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.
>
> > 1982
> > "President Ronald Reagan disbanded the U.S. Metric Board and
> > canceled its funding. Responsibility for metric coordination was
> > transferred to the Office of Metric Programs in the Department of
> > Commerce."
>
> > Yeah, he sure did. But we can't blame it on stupidity as he was trying
> > to save "taxpayers money," and that is a sacred cow.
>
> > Money --in the Conservative psyche-- is only well spent in weapons.
> > But are they metric or standard?
>
> Of course U.S. weapons are designed using the metric system, since the
> math of physics is impossible without it. I'm an American who loves
> metric and even uses it when cooking, and I seem to be the only one
> who prefers 24-hour time as well. However, my preference for metric
> didn't cost me or the taxpayers one cent.
>
> Some customary non-metric measurements remain, especially miles, since
> most U.S. cities are laid out using miles (i.e., one mile between
> major streets, ten blocks and minor streets in between). And
> Fahrenheit for temperature, since almost all appliances like ovens use
> it. It's easy enough to convert these units to metric when needed, so
> a government program to force the change is unnecessary and a waste of
> money.
>
> - - - -
>
> http://www.theonion.com/articles/metric-system-thriving-in-nations-in...
>
> Metric system thriving in nation's inner cities
>
> WASHINGTON, DC -- Despite other academic shortcomings, inner-city
> youths possess a firmer grasp of the metric system than their peers in
> suburban and rural areas, according to a Department Of Education study
> released Monday.
>
> "While the typical teen has only a vague notion of what a kilogram is,
> teens in the Cabrini Green housing projects in Chicago and the Watts
> neighborhood of Los Angeles were thoroughly familiar with this unit of
> metric measurement," said Ira Danielson, the researcher who
> spearheaded the study. "They were able to identify a kilogram of
> weight by merely tossing it back and forth in their hands."
>
> According to Danielson, young people in America's urban centers are so
> familiar with the kilogram that they have developed a system of
> abbreviations for the measurement, such as "kilo" or even
> "ki" (pronounced key).
>
> "Most of the teens, even those reading at a fourth-grade level, were
> familiar with the gram as a base unit that can be either compounded or
> divided," Danielson said. "Finally, here's an area where at-risk urban
> youths can really shine."
>
> In addition to their expertise with grams, urban youths proved
> knowledgeable about other metric units, including the millimeter,
> cubic centimeter, and liter.
>
> "They were surprisingly familiar with metric measurements in the
> medical field, aware that liters of blood are used in an emergency
> room and that certain medications are injected in cc's or mls,"
> Danielson said. "They also knew a great deal about ounces, but we
> preferred to focus on their metric expertise."
>
> In a follow-up study titled "Metric Skills Among The Economically
> Disadvantaged," Danielson and his team of researchers discovered that
> not only did the youths score higher in metric knowledge than any
> other demographic, but many could also distinguish among the smallest
> variations in size and amount.
>
> A Presidential Award For Metric Achievement hangs in an area of
> Detroit renowned for its metric use.
>
> In one test, subjects were asked to follow a recipe for "metric-weight
> chocolate-chip Cookies." Researchers found that the teens had a
> natural ability to estimate measurements of sugar, flour, and baking
> powder without using any measuring tools. When the use of a balance
> scale was required, the teens knew exactly how to operate it.
>
> "Y'all need 500 grams of flour," said Erick Boykins, a 16-year-old
> study participant from Newark, NJ, scraping out a small pile of flour
> with a razor. "That's half a kilo right there. Now the recipe says we
> gotta cut it with 200 g's of sugar."
>
> After combining all the ingredients, Boykins deftly divided the dough
> into 50 lumps of cookie dough almost identical in weight.
>
> The cookie test was cut short by the disappearance of 25 scales, but
> results are still being called "conclusive."
>
> "The youths seem to have some large blind spots in their knowledge,"
> Danielson said. "For example, they know millimeters very well and can
> distinguish between something that's 9mm wide and something 7.62mm
> wide, but for some reason, not one of the teens had ever heard of a
> hectare. And though they know how much volume a cc represents, none
> knew it stood for cubic centimeter."

So Reagan --and the Conservative psyche-- seems to have been very dumb
to miss that opportunity. We can still make it happen, right?

Obama is not in a position to defend that though. He'll be eaten alive.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 9:33 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 27, 12:16 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
> On 3/27/11 11:53 AM, D nk 666 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 27, 9:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 27, 11:17 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.
>
> >> 1982
> >> "President Ronald Reagan disbanded the U.S. Metric Board and
> >> canceled its funding. Responsibility for metric coordination was
> >> transferred to the Office of Metric Programs in the Department of
> >> Commerce."
>
> >> Yeah, he sure did. But we can't blame it on stupidity as he was trying
> >> to save "taxpayers money," and that is a sacred cow.
>
> >> Money --in the Conservative psyche-- is only well spent in weapons.
> >> But are they metric or standard?
>
> > Of course U.S. weapons are designed using the metric system, since the
> > math of physics is impossible without it.
>
> Really? How about all the cars that were developed using the US system
> (inches, pounds, etc.)? How about how computer chips were developed
> using the spacing between pins as 1/10"? While it is much more
> convenient to use the metric system, it is clearly possible to do
> physics with the US system or any other system of measurements.
>
> > I'm an American who loves
> > metric and even uses it when cooking, and I seem to be the only one
> > who prefers 24-hour time as well.
>
> I prefer 24-hour time, too.
>
> > However, my preference for metric
> > didn't cost me or the taxpayers one cent.
>
> Actually, if everyone used only the metric system (except for yard
> measurements in American football - I mean is has a US system unit for
> distance in its name), it would really simplify things for everyone. No
> more pesky conversions between US and metric.
>
> > Some customary non-metric measurements remain, especially miles, since
> > most U.S. cities are laid out using miles (i.e., one mile between
> > major streets, ten blocks and minor streets in between). And
> > Fahrenheit for temperature, since almost all appliances like ovens use
> > it. It's easy enough to convert these units to metric when needed, so
> > a government program to force the change is unnecessary and a waste of
> > money.
>
> Well, at least when it comes to money, money is metric: 100 cents = $1.
> The only common things in the US that is in the metric system when there
> is an American system alternative that are commonly used are the sizes
> of drinks (like 750 ml bottles of wine and 2000 ml bottles of soda).
> People don't say they are 185 cm; they say they are 6 foot 1 inch. And
> people don't say they weight 1024 newtons; instead they say they weigh
> 229 pounds.
>
> Jeff
>
> > - - - -
>
> >http://www.theonion.com/articles/metric-system-thriving-in-nations-in...
>
> > Metric system thriving in nation's inner cities
>
> > WASHINGTON, DC -- Despite other academic shortcomings, inner-city
> > youths possess a firmer grasp of the metric system than their peers in
> > suburban and rural areas, according to a Department Of Education study
> > released Monday.
>
> > "While the typical teen has only a vague notion of what a kilogram is,
> > teens in the Cabrini Green housing projects in Chicago and the Watts
> > neighborhood of Los Angeles were thoroughly familiar with this unit of
> > metric measurement," said Ira Danielson, the researcher who
> > spearheaded the study. "They were able to identify a kilogram of
> > weight by merely tossing it back and forth in their hands."
>
> > According to Danielson, young people in America's urban centers are so
> > familiar with the kilogram that they have developed a system of
> > abbreviations for the measurement, such as "kilo" or even
> > "ki" (pronounced key).
>
> > "Most of the teens, even those reading at a fourth-grade level, were
> > familiar with the gram as a base unit that can be either compounded or
> > divided," Danielson said. "Finally, here's an area where at-risk urban
> > youths can really shine."
>
> > In addition to their expertise with grams, urban youths proved
> > knowledgeable about other metric units, including the millimeter,
> > cubic centimeter, and liter.
>
> > "They were surprisingly familiar with metric measurements in the
> > medical field, aware that liters of blood are used in an emergency
> > room and that certain medications are injected in cc's or mls,"
> > Danielson said. "They also knew a great deal about ounces, but we
> > preferred to focus on their metric expertise."
>
> > In a follow-up study titled "Metric Skills Among The Economically
> > Disadvantaged," Danielson and his team of researchers discovered that
> > not only did the youths score higher in metric knowledge than any
> > other demographic, but many could also distinguish among the smallest
> > variations in size and amount.
>
> > A Presidential Award For Metric Achievement hangs in an area of
> > Detroit renowned for its metric use.
>
> > In one test, subjects were asked to follow a recipe for "metric-weight
> > chocolate-chip Cookies." Researchers found that the teens had a
> > natural ability to estimate measurements of sugar, flour, and baking
> > powder without using any measuring tools. When the use of a balance
> > scale was required, the teens knew exactly how to operate it.
>
> > "Y'all need 500 grams of flour," said Erick Boykins, a 16-year-old
> > study participant from Newark, NJ, scraping out a small pile of flour
> > with a razor. "That's half a kilo right there. Now the recipe says we
> > gotta cut it with 200 g's of sugar."
>
> > After combining all the ingredients, Boykins deftly divided the dough
> > into 50 lumps of cookie dough almost identical in weight.
>
> > The cookie test was cut short by the disappearance of 25 scales, but
> > results are still being called "conclusive."
>
> > "The youths seem to have some large blind spots in their knowledge,"
> > Danielson said. "For example, they know millimeters very well and can
> > distinguish between something that's 9mm wide and something 7.62mm
> > wide, but for some reason, not one of the teens had ever heard of a
> > hectare. And though they know how much volume a cc represents, none
> > knew it stood for cubic centimeter."

The most common system for nuclear missiles though seems to be metric:

"The kiloton and megaton of TNT have traditionally been used to rate
the energy output, and hence destructive power, of nuclear weapons
(see nuclear weapon yield). This unit is written into various nuclear
weapon control treaties, and gives a sense of destructiveness as
compared with ordinary explosives, like TNT."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

So in that sense the Conservatives are up to date.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 9:53 am
From: Derek C

On Mar 27, 5:33 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 12:16 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 3/27/11 11:53 AM, D nk 666 wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 27, 9:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > > Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> On Mar 27, 11:17 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > >> Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.
>
> > >> 1982
> > >> "President Ronald Reagan disbanded the U.S. Metric Board and
> > >> canceled its funding. Responsibility for metric coordination was
> > >> transferred to the Office of Metric Programs in the Department of
> > >> Commerce."
>
> > >> Yeah, he sure did. But we can't blame it on stupidity as he was trying
> > >> to save "taxpayers money," and that is a sacred cow.
>
> > >> Money --in the Conservative psyche-- is only well spent in weapons.
> > >> But are they metric or standard?
>
> > > Of course U.S. weapons are designed using the metric system, since the
> > > math of physics is impossible without it.
>
> > Really? How about all the cars that were developed using the US system
> > (inches, pounds, etc.)? How about how computer chips were developed
> > using the spacing between pins as 1/10"? While it is much more
> > convenient to use the metric system, it is clearly possible to do
> > physics with the US system or any other system of measurements.
>
> > > I'm an American who loves
> > > metric and even uses it when cooking, and I seem to be the only one
> > > who prefers 24-hour time as well.
>
> > I prefer 24-hour time, too.
>
> > > However, my preference for metric
> > > didn't cost me or the taxpayers one cent.
>
> > Actually, if everyone used only the metric system (except for yard
> > measurements in American football - I mean is has a US system unit for
> > distance in its name), it would really simplify things for everyone. No
> > more pesky conversions between US and metric.
>
> > > Some customary non-metric measurements remain, especially miles, since
> > > most U.S. cities are laid out using miles (i.e., one mile between
> > > major streets, ten blocks and minor streets in between). And
> > > Fahrenheit for temperature, since almost all appliances like ovens use
> > > it. It's easy enough to convert these units to metric when needed, so
> > > a government program to force the change is unnecessary and a waste of
> > > money.
>
> > Well, at least when it comes to money, money is metric: 100 cents = $1.
> > The only common things in the US that is in the metric system when there
> > is an American system alternative that are commonly used are the sizes
> > of drinks (like 750 ml bottles of wine and 2000 ml bottles of soda).
> > People don't say they are 185 cm; they say they are 6 foot 1 inch. And
> > people don't say they weight 1024 newtons; instead they say they weigh
> > 229 pounds.
>
> > Jeff
>
> > > - - - -
>
> > >http://www.theonion.com/articles/metric-system-thriving-in-nations-in...
>
> > > Metric system thriving in nation's inner cities
>
> > > WASHINGTON, DC -- Despite other academic shortcomings, inner-city
> > > youths possess a firmer grasp of the metric system than their peers in
> > > suburban and rural areas, according to a Department Of Education study
> > > released Monday.
>
> > > "While the typical teen has only a vague notion of what a kilogram is,
> > > teens in the Cabrini Green housing projects in Chicago and the Watts
> > > neighborhood of Los Angeles were thoroughly familiar with this unit of
> > > metric measurement," said Ira Danielson, the researcher who
> > > spearheaded the study. "They were able to identify a kilogram of
> > > weight by merely tossing it back and forth in their hands."
>
> > > According to Danielson, young people in America's urban centers are so
> > > familiar with the kilogram that they have developed a system of
> > > abbreviations for the measurement, such as "kilo" or even
> > > "ki" (pronounced key).
>
> > > "Most of the teens, even those reading at a fourth-grade level, were
> > > familiar with the gram as a base unit that can be either compounded or
> > > divided," Danielson said. "Finally, here's an area where at-risk urban
> > > youths can really shine."
>
> > > In addition to their expertise with grams, urban youths proved
> > > knowledgeable about other metric units, including the millimeter,
> > > cubic centimeter, and liter.
>
> > > "They were surprisingly familiar with metric measurements in the
> > > medical field, aware that liters of blood are used in an emergency
> > > room and that certain medications are injected in cc's or mls,"
> > > Danielson said. "They also knew a great deal about ounces, but we
> > > preferred to focus on their metric expertise."
>
> > > In a follow-up study titled "Metric Skills Among The Economically
> > > Disadvantaged," Danielson and his team of researchers discovered that
> > > not only did the youths score higher in metric knowledge than any
> > > other demographic, but many could also distinguish among the smallest
> > > variations in size and amount.
>
> > > A Presidential Award For Metric Achievement hangs in an area of
> > > Detroit renowned for its metric use.
>
> > > In one test, subjects were asked to follow a recipe for "metric-weight
> > > chocolate-chip Cookies." Researchers found that the teens had a
> > > natural ability to estimate measurements of sugar, flour, and baking
> > > powder without using any measuring tools. When the use of a balance
> > > scale was required, the teens knew exactly how to operate it.
>
> > > "Y'all need 500 grams of flour," said Erick Boykins, a 16-year-old
> > > study participant from Newark, NJ, scraping out a small pile of flour
> > > with a razor. "That's half a kilo right there. Now the recipe says we
> > > gotta cut it with 200 g's of sugar."
>
> > > After combining all the ingredients, Boykins deftly divided the dough
> > > into 50 lumps of cookie dough almost identical in weight.
>
> > > The cookie test was cut short by the disappearance of 25 scales, but
> > > results are still being called "conclusive."
>
> > > "The youths seem to have some large blind spots in their knowledge,"
> > > Danielson said. "For example, they know millimeters very well and can
> > > distinguish between something that's 9mm wide and something 7.62mm
> > > wide, but for some reason, not one of the teens had ever heard of a
> > > hectare. And though they know how much volume a cc represents, none
> > > knew it stood for cubic centimeter."
>
> The most common system for nuclear missiles though seems to be metric:
>
> "The kiloton and megaton of TNT have traditionally been used to rate
> the energy output, and hence destructive power, of nuclear weapons
> (see nuclear weapon yield). This unit is written into various nuclear
> weapon control treaties, and gives a sense of destructiveness as
> compared with ordinary explosives, like TNT."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent
>
> So in that sense the Conservatives are up to date.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Metric and Imperial tons are only about 2% different by a happy
accident of history, so no need to worry about kilotons and megatons.

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 8:31 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 27, 12:53 pm, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 5:33 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 12:16 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > On 3/27/11 11:53 AM, D nk 666 wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 27, 9:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > > > Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Mar 27, 11:17 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > > >> Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>> I heard Reagan had an opportunity to fix that but I don't remember.
>
> > > >> 1982
> > > >> "President Ronald Reagan disbanded the U.S. Metric Board and
> > > >> canceled its funding. Responsibility for metric coordination was
> > > >> transferred to the Office of Metric Programs in the Department of
> > > >> Commerce."
>
> > > >> Yeah, he sure did. But we can't blame it on stupidity as he was trying
> > > >> to save "taxpayers money," and that is a sacred cow.
>
> > > >> Money --in the Conservative psyche-- is only well spent in weapons.
> > > >> But are they metric or standard?
>
> > > > Of course U.S. weapons are designed using the metric system, since the
> > > > math of physics is impossible without it.
>
> > > Really? How about all the cars that were developed using the US system
> > > (inches, pounds, etc.)? How about how computer chips were developed
> > > using the spacing between pins as 1/10"? While it is much more
> > > convenient to use the metric system, it is clearly possible to do
> > > physics with the US system or any other system of measurements.
>
> > > > I'm an American who loves
> > > > metric and even uses it when cooking, and I seem to be the only one
> > > > who prefers 24-hour time as well.
>
> > > I prefer 24-hour time, too.
>
> > > > However, my preference for metric
> > > > didn't cost me or the taxpayers one cent.
>
> > > Actually, if everyone used only the metric system (except for yard
> > > measurements in American football - I mean is has a US system unit for
> > > distance in its name), it would really simplify things for everyone. No
> > > more pesky conversions between US and metric.
>
> > > > Some customary non-metric measurements remain, especially miles, since
> > > > most U.S. cities are laid out using miles (i.e., one mile between
> > > > major streets, ten blocks and minor streets in between). And
> > > > Fahrenheit for temperature, since almost all appliances like ovens use
> > > > it. It's easy enough to convert these units to metric when needed, so
> > > > a government program to force the change is unnecessary and a waste of
> > > > money.
>
> > > Well, at least when it comes to money, money is metric: 100 cents = $1.
> > > The only common things in the US that is in the metric system when there
> > > is an American system alternative that are commonly used are the sizes
> > > of drinks (like 750 ml bottles of wine and 2000 ml bottles of soda).
> > > People don't say they are 185 cm; they say they are 6 foot 1 inch. And
> > > people don't say they weight 1024 newtons; instead they say they weigh
> > > 229 pounds.
>
> > > Jeff
>
> > > > - - - -
>
> > > >http://www.theonion.com/articles/metric-system-thriving-in-nations-in...
>
> > > > Metric system thriving in nation's inner cities
>
> > > > WASHINGTON, DC -- Despite other academic shortcomings, inner-city
> > > > youths possess a firmer grasp of the metric system than their peers in
> > > > suburban and rural areas, according to a Department Of Education study
> > > > released Monday.
>
> > > > "While the typical teen has only a vague notion of what a kilogram is,
> > > > teens in the Cabrini Green housing projects in Chicago and the Watts
> > > > neighborhood of Los Angeles were thoroughly familiar with this unit of
> > > > metric measurement," said Ira Danielson, the researcher who
> > > > spearheaded the study. "They were able to identify a kilogram of
> > > > weight by merely tossing it back and forth in their hands."
>
> > > > According to Danielson, young people in America's urban centers are so
> > > > familiar with the kilogram that they have developed a system of
> > > > abbreviations for the measurement, such as "kilo" or even
> > > > "ki" (pronounced key).
>
> > > > "Most of the teens, even those reading at a fourth-grade level, were
> > > > familiar with the gram as a base unit that can be either compounded or
> > > > divided," Danielson said. "Finally, here's an area where at-risk urban
> > > > youths can really shine."
>
> > > > In addition to their expertise with grams, urban youths proved
> > > > knowledgeable about other metric units, including the millimeter,
> > > > cubic centimeter, and liter.
>
> > > > "They were surprisingly familiar with metric measurements in the
> > > > medical field, aware that liters of blood are used in an emergency
> > > > room and that certain medications are injected in cc's or mls,"
> > > > Danielson said. "They also knew a great deal about ounces, but we
> > > > preferred to focus on their metric expertise."
>
> > > > In a follow-up study titled "Metric Skills Among The Economically
> > > > Disadvantaged," Danielson and his team of researchers discovered that
> > > > not only did the youths score higher in metric knowledge than any
> > > > other demographic, but many could also distinguish among the smallest
> > > > variations in size and amount.
>
> > > > A Presidential Award For Metric Achievement hangs in an area of
> > > > Detroit renowned for its metric use.
>
> > > > In one test, subjects were asked to follow a recipe for "metric-weight
> > > > chocolate-chip Cookies." Researchers found that the teens had a
> > > > natural ability to estimate measurements of sugar, flour, and baking
> > > > powder without using any measuring tools. When the use of a balance
> > > > scale was required, the teens knew exactly how to operate it.
>
> > > > "Y'all need 500 grams of flour," said Erick Boykins, a 16-year-old
> > > > study participant from Newark, NJ, scraping out a small pile of flour
> > > > with a razor. "That's half a kilo right there. Now the recipe says we
> > > > gotta cut it with 200 g's of sugar."
>
> > > > After combining all the ingredients, Boykins deftly divided the dough
> > > > into 50 lumps of cookie dough almost identical in weight.
>
> > > > The cookie test was cut short by the disappearance of 25 scales, but
> > > > results are still being called "conclusive."
>
> > > > "The youths seem to have some large blind spots in their knowledge,"
> > > > Danielson said. "For example, they know millimeters very well and can
> > > > distinguish between something that's 9mm wide and something 7.62mm
> > > > wide, but for some reason, not one of the teens had ever heard of a
> > > > hectare. And though they know how much volume a cc represents, none
> > > > knew it stood for cubic centimeter."
>
> > The most common system for nuclear missiles though seems to be metric:
>
> > "The kiloton and megaton of TNT have traditionally been used to rate
> > the energy output, and hence destructive power, of nuclear weapons
> > (see nuclear weapon yield). This unit is written into various nuclear
> > weapon control treaties, and gives a sense of destructiveness as
> > compared with ordinary explosives, like TNT."
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent
>
> > So in that sense the Conservatives are up to date.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Metric and Imperial tons are only about 2% different by a happy
> accident of history, so no need to worry about kilotons and megatons.

Since we are talking about big guns...

On Mar 27, 9:57 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:

> I dunno...do you own a 9mm or a .38?

The bananas are about an inch or 25.4 mm in diameter. I gave up the
gun...

http://amazon.commerceguys.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/banana-gun-9818.jpg

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 7:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

I'm not asking the Conservatives --like Ed-- to be converted to my
"movement" or wisdom, but it certainly works for most mortals:

On Mar 27, 7:54 am, "Rosie Lea" <S...@reborn.interbeing.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> "through breathing techniques and body positioning while making love, a
> couple can transcend the physical world and unite with one another in the
> metaphysical, spiritual world. This is achieved by the couple uniting their
> respective masculine and feminine energies and becoming One with the
> Universe."
>
> A peak of Samsara never the less, just more makio, though of course it could
> increase insight...
>
> Sounds like more fun than sitting dead still for hours at a time in a balck
> kimono being occasionnaly bashed with stick for snoozing :D

This could NOT be coincidence: SLOW RHYTHMIC MOVEMENT (hammock, beach
cruiser, tantric love) gives you ecstasy and wisdom.

Lady signals monkey to enter the jungle. ;)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 7:53 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

Sorry, but I just had this inspiration:

'Drivers are inclined to "quickies" and are missing the slow rhythmic
movement'

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 10:05 am
From: Foo Fighter

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=2292
How about going solar? wind or geo-thermal?
--
Karma, What a concept!

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 10:05 am
From: Foo Fighter

In article <georgeswk-0419F7.18574518032011@news.toast.net>,
Karen Silkwood <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

> We wouldn't need nuke power plants or Wars for Oil.
> Wouldn't that be a better world? New research could make the panels
> cheap. They could heat water or air, even make electricity.
> and Karen would still be with us.

and ; got a smart meter story?
http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=2292
How about going solar? wind or geo-thermal?
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 12:08 pm
From: Foo Fighter

In article <georgeswk-D6CE2E.10054227032011@news.toast.net>,
Foo Fighter <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

> In article <georgeswk-0419F7.18574518032011@news.toast.net>,
> Karen Silkwood <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>
> > We wouldn't need nuke power plants or Wars for Oil.
> > Wouldn't that be a better world? New research could make the panels
> > cheap. They could heat water or air, even make electricity.
> > and Karen would still be with us.
>
> and ; got a smart meter story?
> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=2292
> How about going solar? wind or geo-thermal?

and here the latest on Solar
According to Lusk, "We can now design nanostructured materials that
generate more than one exciton from a single photon of light, putting to
good use a large portion of the energy that would otherwise just heat up
a solar cell."
The research team, which includes participation from the National
Renewable Energy Laboratory, is part of the NSF-funded Renewable Energy
Materials Research Science and Engineering Center at the Colorado School
of Mines in Golden, Colo. The center focuses on materials and
innovations that will significantly impact renewable energy
technologies. Harnessing the unique properties of nanostructured
materials to enhance the performance of solar panels is an area of
particular interest to the center.
"These results are exciting because they go far towards resolving a
long-standing debate within the field," said Mary Galvin, a program
director for the Division of Materials Research at NSF. "Equally
important, they will contribute to establishment of new design
techniques that can be used to make more efficient solar cells."
fo mo;
http://theenergycollective.com/mikegregory1/54515/smaller-particle-size-c
ould-make-solar-panels-more-efficient
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 1:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Get back to us when someone has actually done it commercially and not just waffled about it.

Foo Fighter wrote:
> In article <georgeswk-D6CE2E.10054227032011@news.toast.net>,
> Foo Fighter <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <georgeswk-0419F7.18574518032011@news.toast.net>,
>> Karen Silkwood <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We wouldn't need nuke power plants or Wars for Oil.
>>> Wouldn't that be a better world? New research could make the panels
>>> cheap. They could heat water or air, even make electricity.
>>> and Karen would still be with us.
>>
>> and ; got a smart meter story?
>> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=2292
>> How about going solar? wind or geo-thermal?
>
> and here the latest on Solar
> According to Lusk, "We can now design nanostructured materials that
> generate more than one exciton from a single photon of light, putting
> to good use a large portion of the energy that would otherwise just
> heat up a solar cell."
> The research team, which includes participation from the National
> Renewable Energy Laboratory, is part of the NSF-funded Renewable
> Energy Materials Research Science and Engineering Center at the
> Colorado School of Mines in Golden, Colo. The center focuses on
> materials and innovations that will significantly impact renewable
> energy technologies. Harnessing the unique properties of
> nanostructured materials to enhance the performance of solar panels
> is an area of particular interest to the center.
> "These results are exciting because they go far towards resolving a
> long-standing debate within the field," said Mary Galvin, a program
> director for the Division of Materials Research at NSF. "Equally
> important, they will contribute to establishment of new design
> techniques that can be used to make more efficient solar cells."
> fo mo;
> http://theenergycollective.com/mikegregory1/54515/smaller-particle-size-c
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== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 2:45 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article <8v9lhgFap1U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Get back to us when someone has actually done it commercially and not just
> waffled about it.

technology never sleeps

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 6:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Get back to us when someone has actually done
>> it commercially and not just waffled about it.

> technology never sleeps

The technology involved in clay tablets has.

The technology involved in message sticks has.

The technology the Inka stone wall technology has.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inka_mauern_cuzco.jpg

You've never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 9:58 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article <8va7fqF2f0U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> Get back to us when someone has actually done
> >> it commercially and not just waffled about it.
>
> > technology never sleeps
>
> The technology involved in clay tablets has.

of course it hasn't
>
> The technology involved in message sticks has.

of course it hasn't

>
> The technology the Inka stone wall technology has.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inka_mauern_cuzco.jpg

of course it has

>
> You've never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

technology never sleeps

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 10:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 10:19 am
From: The Real Bev

On 03/26/11 20:34, Michael Black wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011, aesthete8 wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
> Get an MP3 player, figure out where the audio amplifier starts, and
> add microphones. It likely would be easier, more space, with a pocket
> AM/FM radio, but MP3 players are smaller these days.
>
> But there will be problems.
>
> A hearing aid is not just an amplifier (which is what you'll get if you
> $20 hearing aids out of the back of TV Guide or the flyer insert in the
> paper), it includes various bits of processing (so you can hear that weak
> sound outside, yet the stronger sound next to you won't overload your
> ears) and frequency compensation, to adjust the frequency response to
> match the decay of your hearing (it isn't a matter of losing sensitivity
> to sound, it's a matter of losing response to the higher frequencies, so
> you want a reverse slope rather than just lots of amplification).
>
> Hence one reason for seeing a doctor is so they do the test (or have
> the test arranged) to check your hearing to see how it plots, and then of
> course configure a hearing aid to match your level/quality of hearing
> loss.
>
> Until you grasp what's needed in order to get a proper hearing aid, you
> will not be making frugal decisions.

And even then you might end up wasting money on something you can't use.
My mom bought some of the expensive programmable ones. She went in
for several adjustments and they never found a setting that was less
annoying than her hearing problem (loss of high frequency). They're
still there sitting in the original box with the original batteries
(yes, swung out -- maybe I can use them when I grow up).

--
Cheers, Bev
======================================================
Guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 27 2011 1:58 pm
From: David Harmon

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:53:14 -0700 (PDT) in
misc.consumers.frugal-living, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6116@gmail.com>
wrote,
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That is a deliberate rip-off. Can you say "captive audience"?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote
>> <me@privacy.net> wrote

>>> something I came across

>>> USA has no place to PUT spent fuel

>>> http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=315726

>> Whe have a place, at Yucca Mountain. However,
>> a bunch of scaremongers caused it to be shut down.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

>> http://www.yuccamountain.org/

And it can obviously be started again when that makes sense.

> Then in fact we have no place to put spent fuel. Another interesting fact
> is that no nation has a permanent installation to store spent nuclear fuel

Because they all either reprocess or plan to do that sometime, fool.

And you are lying about permanent storage of nuclear waste.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 8:07 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 26, 7:35 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> Philosopher
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 5:44 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> >> Responding to: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> >> Philosopher
>
> >> > I don't need to tell you that the our roads are the worst place to
> >> > be. I'd imagine Hell to be a place for cyclists that must endure
> >> > endless traffic along honking horns, noise, rage and insults.
>
> >> > Hey, you don't need to be. You can find a beach somewhere and ride
> >> > your beach cruiser for hours on end with nothing but the shining sun
> >> > or stars and exchange smiles with friendly riders. I'm not promoting
> >> > flirting but that can happen too.
>
> >> > Notice that moving SLOWLY on a beach cruiser gives you the right
> >> > balance of COMFORT and RELAXATION. A beautiful unique cruiser is a
> >> > must. Only a good philosophy of life, the opposite of "life is a
> >> > bitch," can be created under under those idyllic conditions. Yes,
> >> > LIFE'S A BEACH, or at least it's in your hands to make it happen.
> >> > AVOID HELL AT ALL COSTS!
>
> >> As Elaine Morgan pointed out, our ancestors were beachcombers.
>
> >> We've probably got a genetic predisposition to your suggestion.
>
> >> --
> >> *=(http://www.churchofreality.org/
>
> > And BIPEDAL to boot. Clearly all the evidence we need.
>
> > Oh, this definitely proves that God didn't invent the wheel.
>
> I suspect these things come in cycles. %)

I have reasons to believe God hates bicycles because man is
independent from his will and he can pedal himself.

I see this church's parking lot that says: "NO PEDESTRIANS,
MOTORCYCLES OR BICYCLES."

Of course, they charge for admission.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:03 am
From: bob haller

On Mar 24, 3:20 pm, Karen Silkwood <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> I don't want any glow in the dark insurance. who has the best deal.
> I'm very frugal.
> --
> Karma, What a concept!

I dont believe its available....... I asked my agent and he said it
wasnt normally sold

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

At this pace we will have one in America pretty soon. Well, we don't
have a strongman like in the Arab world. We just suffer from
entrenched elites and a Globalization that makes the rich richer and
the poor poorer. Don't worry, we can scream all we want.

And if it ain't the bike revolution who cares anyway.

LONDON – Tens of thousands of mostly peaceful demonstrators streamed
into central London on Saturday to march against government budget
cuts, with a small breakaway group smashing its way into a bank,
breaking windows and spray painting logos on the walls.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110326/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_protest

-------------------------------------------------------------

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 1:14 pm
From: "Robert Green"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> Robert Green wrote

RG> >>> but it's also no guarantee of not getting the M9.0
RG> >>> hell shaken out of you no matter where you build.

RS> >> Thats just plain wrong.

RG> > How so?

RS> If you build in the middle of one of the major plates,
RS> you wont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you.

RG> > Without any reasoning to support your statement, it's just your word.

RS> Nope, its also a fact.

Oops. I guess you're really Rod Slow and haven't read the news. I'll quote
a geologist this time, so you don't get your underoo panties all in a "pig
ignorant" bunch about sources:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2027&page=11:

"As recently as 15 years ago, there was no geologic explanation for the four
magnitude 8 earthquakes that struck New Madrid, Missouri, in 1811-1812 and
devastated the area. Because they occurred in the middle of the North
American plate, ordinary concepts of plate interaction did not fit.
Geologists now understand that those earthquakes were caused by flexing
within the North American plate, causing reactivation of a rift in the crust
of the earth that formed over 500 million years ago. That rift has been
reactivated repeatedly."

His credentials: Dr. Robert M. Hamilton is with the USGS. Dr. Hamilton's
doctoral degree is in geophysics from the University of California at
Berkeley. He has been with the U.S. Geological Survey since 1968 in a
variety of roles, including Chief Geologist, Chief of the Office of
Earthquake Studies, and coordinator of the Deep Continental Studies program

What you want to linger on is "occurred in the middle of the North American
plate." Can you imagine that? You're dead wrong. And so would thousands
of people if there was a nuke plant sited over your supposedly earthquake
proof plate center.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+any+place+on+earth+safe+from+earthquakes

"Ninety percent of the world's earthquakes occur along plate boundaries
where the rocks are usually weaker and yield more readily to stress than do
the rocks within a plate. The remaining 10 percent occur in areas away from
present plate boundaries -- like the great New Madrid, Missouri, earthquakes
of 1811 and 1812, felt over at least 3.2 million square kilometers, which
occurred in a region of southeast Missouri that continues to show seismic
activity today."

Source:

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/description_plate_tectonics.html

That's not "any journo" as you implied, it's the USGS/Cascades Volcano
Observatory, Vancouver, Washington. In case you're totally ignorant, the
USGS stands for US Geological Survey - now slowly say it with me - run by
GEE-OL-O-GISTS. You may think simply saying "you're wrong" proves your
point, but it proves instead that your points are mostly pointless and
merely represent your own rather deluded opinions that you try to present as
fact via bluster with nothing by pixie dust to back your comical claims.

Of course, when you insist that a helicopter carrying water to a reactor
building that's burning isn't a fire-fighting helo, it's going to be hard to
convince you of even the most fundamental truth. The truth is that plates
are
subject to rotational stress and other forces that can cause severe seismic
activity smack dab in the middle of the plate, 100's of miles from any plate
boundary.

http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/geores/techbulletin1.htm

"Due to the harder, colder, drier and less fractured nature of the rocks in
the earth's crust in the central United States, earthquakes in this region
shake and damage an area approximately 20 times larger than earthquakes in
California and most other active seismic areas"

So, that pretty much shoots to shit your mistaken theory - let me quote you
so I get it righ. You said:

RS>> "If you build in the middle of one of the major plates, you wont get
the
RS>> M9.0 hell shaken out of you."

Go look on a map of the US. Tell me why one one of the largest quakes in
US history happened smack dab in the middle of the plate you say is a "safe
zone?" What tectonic plate do you claim is responsible for the New Madrid
quake, one of the largest on record, occuring far inland on the North
American continent? (Here's a Geography 101 plate map for you to check:)

http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/tectonics_landforms/tectonics_introduction.html

RG> > I'll agree that some places are far more likely to pop 9.0 on the
RG> > Richter scale. However, I happen to know you're dead wrong
RG> > in this case because time and time again I've read that there's
RG> > no immunity to earthquakes anywhere in the world.

RS> Just because some fool claims something repeatedly doesnt make it
gospel.

Sage advice, Rod, it's just that in this case, you're the "some fool." (-:
Beyond irony.

RG> > Do you have contrary information?
>
RS > Yep.

Sure you do, Rod. There is NO earthquake proof area on earth. Do the
research instead of pulling "factoids" out of your Aussie arse and saying
things that are completely, demonstrably false.

--
Bobby G.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 2:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Robert Green wrote
> Rod Speed rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com wrote
>> Robert Green wrote

>>>>> but it's also no guarantee of not getting the M9.0
>>>>> hell shaken out of you no matter where you build.

>>>> Thats just plain wrong.

>>> How so?

>> If you build in the middle of one of the major plates,
>> you wont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you.

>>> Without any reasoning to support your statement, it's just your word.

>> Nope, its also a fact.

> Oops. I guess you're really Rod Slow and haven't read the news.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

> I'll quote a geologist this time, so you don't get your underoo
> panties all in a "pig ignorant" bunch about sources:

> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2027&page=11:

Thats nothing even remotely resembling anything like the news.

Pity you cant actually cite even a single example of place in
the middle of a plate getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of it.

> "As recently as 15 years ago, there was no geologic explanation for
> the four magnitude 8 earthquakes that struck New Madrid, Missouri, in
> 1811-1812 and devastated the area.

Those arent getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of it.

> Because they occurred in the middle of the North American plate,
> ordinary concepts of plate interaction did not fit. Geologists now
> understand that those earthquakes were caused by flexing within
> the North American plate, causing reactivation of a rift

So it isnt the middle of a plate, fool.

> in the crust of the earth that formed over 500 million
> years ago. That rift has been reactivated repeatedly."

So it isnt the middle of a plate, fool.

> His credentials: Dr. Robert M. Hamilton is with the USGS. Dr.
> Hamilton's doctoral degree is in geophysics from the University
> of California at Berkeley. He has been with the U.S. Geological
> Survey since 1968 in a variety of roles, including Chief Geologist,
> Chief of the Office of Earthquake Studies, and coordinator of the
> Deep Continental Studies program

> What you want to linger on is "occurred in the middle of the North American plate."

Right on a rift in that plate, fool.

> Can you imagine that? You're dead wrong.

Nope, you are, on two counts.

> And so would thousands of people if there was a nuke plant
> sited over your supposedly earthquake proof plate center.

> http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+any+place+on+earth+safe+from+earthquakes

We were talking about getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of you,
not just earthquakes, fool.

> "Ninety percent of the world's earthquakes occur along plate
> boundaries where the rocks are usually weaker and yield more readily
> to stress than do the rocks within a plate. The remaining 10 percent
> occur in areas away from present plate boundaries -- like the great
> New Madrid, Missouri, earthquakes of 1811 and 1812, felt over at
> least 3.2 million square kilometers, which occurred in a region of
> southeast Missouri that continues to show seismic activity today."

Pity that didnt get the M9.0 hell shaken out of it, fool.

> Source:

> http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/description_plate_tectonics.html

> That's not "any journo" as you implied, it's the USGS/Cascades
> Volcano Observatory, Vancouver, Washington.

Pity its nothing like what was actually being discussed, fool.

> The truth is that plates are subject to rotational stress and
> other forces that can cause severe seismic activity smack dab
> in the middle of the plate, 100's of miles from any plate boundary.

But not from a rift in the plate, fool.

> http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/geores/techbulletin1.htm

> "Due to the harder, colder, drier and less fractured nature of the
> rocks in the earth's crust in the central United States, earthquakes
> in this region shake and damage an area approximately 20 times larger
> than earthquakes in California and most other active seismic areas"

Pity its not getting the M9.0 hell shaken out of you, fool.

> So, that pretty much shoots to shit your mistaken theory

Not if you consider rifts in the plates fool.

> - let me quote you so I get it righ. You said:

>>> "If you build in the middle of one of the major plates,
>>> you wont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you."

Yes, I should have included rifts in the plates, fool.

> Go look on a map of the US. Tell me why one one of the largest
> quakes in US history happened smack dab in the middle of the
> plate you say is a "safe zone?" What tectonic plate do you claim
> is responsible for the New Madrid quake, one of the largest on
> record, occuring far inland on the North American continent?
> (Here's a Geography 101 plate map for you to check:)

Pity it didnt get the M9.0 hell shaken out of you, fool.

> http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/tectonics_landforms/tectonics_introduction.html

>>> I'll agree that some places are far more likely to pop 9.0 on the
>>> Richter scale. However, I happen to know you're dead wrong
>>> in this case because time and time again I've read that there's
>>> no immunity to earthquakes anywhere in the world.

>> Just because some fool claims something repeatedly doesnt make it gospel.

>>> Do you have contrary information?

> RS > Yep.

> Sure you do, Rod. There is NO earthquake proof area on earth.

There are plenty of areas that dont get the M9.0 hell shaken out of them, fool.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 7:55 pm
From: I'll Always Be 26/03/11

In article <8v750uFnvqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

reams of your pig ignorant mindless **** flushed where it belong

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 7:48 pm
From: aesthete8

Any recommendations?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 8:34 pm
From: Michael Black

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011, aesthete8 wrote:

> Any recommendations?
>
Get an MP3 player, figure out where the audio amplifier starts, and
add microphones. It likely would be easier, more space, with a pocket
AM/FM radio, but MP3 players are smaller these days.

But there will be problems.

A hearing aid is not just an amplifier (which is what you'll get if you
$20 hearing aids out of the back of TV Guide or the flyer insert in the
paper), it includes various bits of processing (so you can hear that weak
sound outside, yet the stronger sound next to you won't overload your
ears) and frequency compensation, to adjust the frequency response to
match the decay of your hearing (it isn't a matter of losing sensitivity
to sound, it's a matter of losing response to the higher frequencies, so
you want a reverse slope rather than just lots of amplification).

Hence one reason for seeing a doctor is so they do the test (or have
the test arranged) to check your hearing to see how it plots, and then of
course configure a hearing aid to match your level/quality of hearing
loss.

Until you grasp what's needed in order to get a proper hearing aid, you
will not be making frugal decisions.

Michael