Frugal Living: Sep 6, 2007

Thursday, September 6, 2007

20 new messages in 12 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Anyone have a nice oat bread recipe?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1696a5786dd5cfec?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 9:03 am
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)

Binyamin Dissen (postingid@dissensoftware.com) writes:
> Without wheat or spelt flour.
>
> Seems like all the recipes I have found require wheat flour.
>
They have these things called books, which can be bought at places
called bookstores, or even borrowed at places called libraries.
These "books" include many devoted to recipes, and even specifically
to recipes about making bread.

A websearch would also turn up many such recipes, I'm sure.

There are even newsgroups devoted to the topic, such
as
alt.bread.recipes
rec.food.baking

Given all this, I can't figure out why you think this is such
a frugal issue that you ask in a newsgroup devoted to frugality.

Michael

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TOPIC: Home colleged to save 200k?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/30cb6a598b2763bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 9:20 am
From: "Jessica V."

On Sep 5, 10:23 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> oprah.cho...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It now costs almost $200,000 to send a kid to a typical private
> > college. Supposedely tuition has outpaced inflation over the last 10
> > years due to several reasons.
>
> I believe it.
>
> > I wonder if we will see more kids 'home-colleged'? Will any grad.
> > school accept such students?
>
> Hopefully not, and probably not.
>
> > What are some frugal alternatives to
> > this 200k price tag?
>
> A public college. There are some good values to be had at certain
> state schools which nonetheless supply a very solid education. Also,
> scholarships and grants.
>
> Another alternative is to spend the first 1 or 2 years at a cheaper
> school. You can take English and calculus at just about any decent
> school. Then transfer to the other school later, and you still get
> a diploma with their (hopefully prestigious) name on it. In some
> cases, this could reduce the quality of the education you get, but
> in some cases perhaps not. It probably depends on the individual
> schools and the major.
>
> Yet another strategy is to take basics like English at a cheap
> community college during the summer. That's similar to the strategy
> of spending your first couple of years elsewhere, but it allows you
> to carefully pick and choose which classes you think are worth taking
> at the "real" (expensive) school.
>
> And one more strategy is to test out of as much as possible. Go to
> a good high school and take AP or IB classes (or whatever they're
> doing now), then study hard and take every equivalence test you
> think you have odds of passing. This saves time *and* money.
>
> - Logan

Many colleges offer reduced cost courses to high school students who
have met the prerequisites for the courses offered and have at least a
B average in their high school classes. Both high school and college
credit is granted for successful completion. At the private college
where I once worked the tuition for HS students was $100 a course.

Bundle that with AP courses and Clep tests and it is possible to enter
college with the first two years already completed.

Summer course offerings from community colleges and state universities
can offer savings as well on core curriculum. I do not know how
frequently this occurs, but I have taken summer courses at the nearby
community college taught by well known professors from NYU, UNE, Brown
and Yale.

There are many ways to save both time and money on higher education.
Yet another consideration is if a degree from a private college is
really going to result in a better education and greater earning power
than the same degree from a state university.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 1:08 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <TrVDi.6045$tY2.2350@trndny01>, derjda@hotmail.com
says...

> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46dfc2a3$0$16517$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> > planned to meet all the requirements to graduate early. Then along
> > came H. Ross Perot, who spearheaded efforts to reform the Texas public
> > schools[1]. Along with the "no pass, no play" rule came a "no graduate
> > early, no matter if you've fulfilled 100% of the requirements" rule.

> the reason for that is because schools get a per capita subsidy from
> the federal govt. if you graduate early, you screw the district out
> of that portion of the subsidy. this is also why districts are so strict
> in how many days you can miss. they claim that it's for the sake of
> the student, but if a student has mono and the dr says no school for 4
> weeks, the student can do the work at home, but won't be passed to
> the next grade. because they didn't show up for the head count, the
> district will make sure to get that money and then some the next year.
> this actually happened in a district we lived in; the kid was an a/b
> student and fully capable of keeping up while at home.

I suspect that it goes further than just the head count. As I
understand it, US school districts - and the teachers therein -
are partly judged on performance. Specifically, the scores that
their students receive on yearly standardised tests.

The kids who are capable of graduating early (or just dropping
out to get a GED at, say, sixteen) are the ones who would do
well on those tests.

So, allowing them to graduate early, would result in a lower
average quality of students. And lower average test scores.
Which would make the school district and teachers look bad. They
don't care about the imposition on the higher-quality students.

Some states actually have (or at least used to have) a minimum
age of eighteen to take a GED test. To discourage kids leaving
high school before then. But the rule also applied to kids who
already weren't in school, and weren't going be. Including those
who were "home-schooled" and wanted the piece of paper so they
could get a job.

--
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Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 4:18 pm
From: Beeblebrox

Duke of Hazard wrote:
> On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Yet another strategy is to take basics like English at a cheap
>>community college during the summer. That's similar to the strategy
>>of spending your first couple of years elsewhere, but it allows you
>>to carefully pick and choose which classes you think are worth taking
>>at the "real" (expensive) school.
>
>
> My friends did this recently , but almost none of their credits
> transferred to their prestigious 4-year college ( ranked in top 10 )!

you're supposed to check it out beforehand

>
>
>>And one more strategy is to test out of as much as possible. Go to
>>a good high school and take AP or IB classes (or whatever they're
>>doing now), then study hard and take every equivalence test you
>>think you have odds of passing. This saves time *and* money.
>>
>> - Logan
>
>
> Not sure if this is much value at a top school either. I dont think
> they offer such tests and even if they did all it will let you do is
> enroll in a more difficult class to begin with.
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 4:35 pm
From: "Lou"

<oprah.chopra@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189044111.378564.61520@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> It now costs almost $200,000 to send a kid to a typical private
> college. Supposedely tuition has outpaced inflation over the last 10
> years due to several reasons.
>
> I wonder if we will see more kids 'home-colleged'? Will any grad.
> school accept such students? What are some frugal alternatives to
> this 200k price tag?

When some of these graduates can step out of school and into a job paying
100K, it might not be such a bad deal.

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TOPIC: Cost of Pierogies?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c0e499071a18aa12?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 10:46 am
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:32:57 -0500, barbie gee
<barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>
>and potato cheese ones maybe tasty, but they're really not the best
>example of pierogi at their best..
>
Sure they are.

--Wik

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 12:55 pm
From: James

On Sep 3, 2:39 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Some of you out there may not know what a pierogie is. It is essentially
> a mashed potato with cheese inside of a dumpling. They were popular in
> Eastern Europe. Evidently lots of Eastern Europeans moved up into that
> area, because it is a mining town.
>
> When we drove up into Canada this summer, we bought pierogies from a
> grocery store, (some sort of chain with a green maple leaf as their symbol)
> and got a 2 pound bag (yes, some things are still labelled in pounds up
> there, as well as metric) for $1.30 Canadian. I think that's about $1.20
> U.S.
>
> Anyway, when I got back down here, I remembered getting that deal, and
> that it was an everyday price. I looked around, and the best price I seem
> to be able to find is $1.20 for a 1 pound box at Save-A-Lot. A chain called
> "Deal$" used to have a 2 pound box around here for $1 or $1.50, but they no
> longer carry it.
>
> Around here, we have Meijer, Kroger, Wal-Mart, Super K-Mart, Target, Cub
> Foods, Save-A-Lot, Aldi's, and the independent IGA grocery stores.
>
> I'd like to ask folks to do me a favor, please, and next time you're in
> the grocery store, please look and see how much pierogies are, ok? (they are
> in the frozen food section) Then post the price (and size) here. I'm
> wondering if I can get a deal somewhere down here similar to what we found
> up in Canada.
>
> Thanks!

Might have been Safeway - don't have them where I am (Ontario).

That was an extraordinary price. I'm use to paying $2.99 for a 1kg
(about 2.2 lbs) at Loblaws for them.

I've had many home made ones, at restaurants and in people's homes.

There is a difference between the Polish and Ukranian way of serving
them. Most Ukranians first boil, then fry them. The frying or browning
takes place in a pan full of onions and either bacon or chopped ham.

Even commerical ones taste great when you brown them that way. Of
course it isn't the healthiest method, especially when you add sour
cream on the side....

James

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 1:23 pm
From: "pepita@prodigy.net"

On Sep 3, 2:39 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> I'd like to ask folks to do me a favor, please, and next time you're in
> the grocery store, please look and see how much pierogies are, ok?

The only ones that I would buy are those produced by the ladies group
at the local Polish Catholic Church.
They are available on Fridays only, and cost $5. per dozen.
Definitely worth the extra $$$$

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 1:37 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:55:58 -0700, James <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote:

>
>Might have been Safeway - don't have them where I am (Ontario).
>
>That was an extraordinary price. I'm use to paying $2.99 for a 1kg
>(about 2.2 lbs) at Loblaws for them.
>
>I've had many home made ones, at restaurants and in people's homes.
>
>There is a difference between the Polish and Ukranian way of serving
>them. Most Ukranians first boil, then fry them. The frying or browning
>takes place in a pan full of onions and either bacon or chopped ham.
>
>Even commerical ones taste great when you brown them that way. Of
>course it isn't the healthiest method, especially when you add sour
>cream on the side....
>
My wife (Polish) fries some chopped bacon on the side and when the
pirogi come from the water she drains them, then pours some chopped
bacon/fat over them. Not heavy, sort of like of like you would
vinaigrette a salad.
That's when I like them best. She only fries them the next day to
warm 'em up. Like them too (-:
I swore off sour cream except on golumbki

--Vic

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TOPIC: Washington Post: As Latrinos come, Poverty rises in the US
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c34f2346d5fe7031?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 12:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Day Brown <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote
> Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote

>> Poverty is the destiny of these low IQ invading parasites. But they
>> bring social decay, disease, and crime is more important. In the long term
>> the invaders are a menace> to the environment via population growth.

> Gibbon reported that the aristocracy encouraged immigration of cheap
> labor to Rome from tribes that lacked sound republican traditions.
> Machiavelli noted how they funded the campaigns of demagogues
> pandering to their ethnic and religious sensibilities while making
> hidden deals to reduce the taxes on the rich. He went on to note how
> republics do this, and not being able to tax the people with the
> money, *borrow* it from them. This works until some creditor sees that
> the tax base will no longer service the debt, much less pay it off,
> and refuses to lend more.

> Of course, in time, this led to financial crisis.

And then we worked out how to fix that problem with taxation.

Sure, the europeans got a bit carried away there for a while,
but eventually came to their senses and it works pretty well now.

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TOPIC: Guaranteed Winner! Fast Payouts Lots of ads! PTR
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/64400acb9a4dd264?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 1:22 pm
From: Ants

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TOPIC: Making Money Online is Easy!!! Don't Miss This Opportunity!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c618b1485d77f171?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 1:59 pm
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TOPIC: ot: for all you firefox fans out there
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c16993feda789fe7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 3:14 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

http://www.oddee.com/item_88547.aspx

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 3:22 pm
From: ToMh

On Sep 6, 2:14 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> http://www.oddee.com/item_88547.aspx

Now if it didn't keep crashing and hanging, and would actually work on
all websites, you could possibly get rid of IE.

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TOPIC: Essay on indian cow.... Very Funny must read ....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aa54856c7d9c8dfc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 4:23 pm
From: Beeblebrox

avtar wrote:
> He is the cow. "The cow is a successful animal. Also he is 4 footed,
> And because he is female, he give milks, but will do so when he is got
> child. He is same like-God, sacred to Hindus and useful to man. But he
> has got four legs together. Two are forward and two are afterwards..
> His whole body can be utilised for use. More so the milk. Milk comes
> from 4 taps attached to his basement. Horses dont have any such
> attachment. What can it do? Various ghee, butter, cream, curd, why and
> the condensed milk and so forth. Also he is useful to cobbler,
> watermans and mankind enerally. His motion is slow only because he is
> of lazy species., Also his other motion.. gober is much useful to
> trees, plants as well as for making flat cakes [like Pizza ] , in
> hand , and drying in the sun..
>
> Cow is the only animal that extricates his feeding after eating. Then
> afterwards she chew with his teeth whom are situated in the inside of
> the mouth. He is incessantly in the meadows in the grass. His only
> attacking and defending organ is the horns, specially so when he is
> got child.. This is done by ....
>
> To read full essay please click on ...

http://www.singhisking.net/essayoncow.html
>
> Thanks and regards
> Avtar --- Always a good friend.
>

sounds like computer translation, badly

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TOPIC: The road to a free iPod (trip report)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c70bd216f8c66f36?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 5:12 pm
From: Gordon

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ZsVDi.11822$Ov2.6627@trndny06:

>
> "Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99A2D9A885A72greederxprtnet@199.45.49.11...
>> For those of you just joining us. A few months ago I noticed
>> that Key Bank was offering free iPods to people who opened
>> new checking accounts. So I thought I'd milk the system
>> and get me one.
>>
>> Of course there are conditions that need to be met.
>>
>> So far I have had my employer change my direct deposit
>> of my paycheck to Keybank. I have a few "Starter checks"
>> that I can use to move the money over to my existing bank.
>> So that's good. When I run out of starter checks I'll
>> change the direct deposit back over to my existing bank,
>>
>> Just to be sure tho; I called my insurance agent and had them
>> change the billing on my car insurance to get it over $100.00
>> per payment. Then I had them change to a direct debit of tthe
>> key bank account.
>>
>> So if all goes as planned, I'll have met the requirment for
>> two automatic transactions over $100.00.
>>
>> The only other requirement is to keep the account open for 3
>> months. (6 if I want to avoid the early account close out fee).
>
> so, do you feel it is worth the hassle?
>
>

Just a couple of quick phone calls.
And since I have to go to the bank anyway, what's another
check to deposit??

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TOPIC: My swamp cooler / box fan . . . review
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0f6479deacc6ec73?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 5:50 pm
From: Abby Normal

On Aug 15, 4:51 am, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> Tockk <to...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >I bought one of these a while ago:
>
> http://www.electric-fan.com/product/BFC2200.aspx
>
> >for about 1/3 off, and it's been rainy and humid here in the Dallas area for
> >the past while. Haven't had the chance to use it until yesterday, when it
> >was hot and 33% humidity (according to the TV weatherman).
>
> The ASHRAE 55-2004 comfort standard says that's very hot, with a predicted
> mean vote of 3.07 on a scale of -3 (very cold) to 0 (perfectly comfortable)
> to +3 (very hot.)
>
> T (C) RH% Clo PMV PPD%
>
> 35 33 .5 3.07171 99.38564
>
> The standard predicts that 99.38564% of people surveyed would be dissatisfied.
>
> >I fired it up, and used a thermometer to read the temperature of air going
> >in vs. air coming out. In my apartment, it read 95 degrees going in to the
> >fan, and 84 coming out of the fan.
>
> The web site says it moves 415 cfm, and 1 Btu/h can cool 1 cfm about 1 F
> and 1000 Btu can evaporate 1 pound of water, so you were cooling the air by
> about 415(95-84) = 4565 Btu/h with about 4.565 pounds per hour of water.
>
> With an outdoor vapor pressure Po = 0.33e^(17.863-9621/(460+95)) = 0.559 "Hg
> (using a Clausius-Clapeyron approximation--ask Caryn), and humidity ratio
> wo = 0.62198/(29.921/Po-1) = 0.00185 pounds of water per pound of dry air
> (1 ft^3 of 70 F air weighs 0.075 pounds), 4.565 = 60x415x0.075(wi-wo) makes
> wi = 0.014295 and Pi = 0.6877 "Hg with a 57.6% RH indoors, which would be
> a lot more comfy:
>
> T (C) RH% Clo PMV PPD%
>
> 28.88889 57.6 .5 .8197596 19.1735
>
> Only 19.1735% of the people would be dissatisfied.
>
> If you could evaporate 6 vs 4.565 pounds of water per hour, you could lower
> the outdoor air temp to 80.5 F with wi = 0.01506 and a 66.3% RH, which would
> be even more comfy:
>
> T (C) RH% Clo PMV PPD%
>
> 26.94445 66.3 .5 6.351899E02 5.083534
>
> The ASHRAE comfort zone is defined by -0.5 < PMV < 0.5. They also limit
> the humidity ratio to 0.0120 max, so wi = 0.014295 is outside the zone,
> even though the calc below suggests it would be close to perfectly
> comfortable, with 5.083534 Per cent of People Dissatisfied.
> (You can't please everyone with one condition.)
>
> >As far as ability to cool a room, well, it's limited.
>
> You may be cooling more outdoor air than you need.
>
> >I have two windows seperated by about 6 feet of wall space. I put
> >the cooler-fan in front of one window, and I have another fan
> >in the other window that pushes the air to the outside.
>
> You might enjoy moving the cooler into the room and only running it when
> the room temp rises to 80.5 F with a thermostat, and only running the fan
> when the room RH rises to 66.3%, with a humidistat, eg this one:
>
> http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1...
>
> >It holds a few gallons of water, which isn't enough for an 8 hour run.
>
> If you are only cooling the room and C cfm of outdoor air with P pounds
> of water per hour, and the room thermal conductance is (say) 50 Btu/h-F,
> 1000P = (95-80.5)(50+C) and P = 60C0.075(wi-wo) make P = 1.73 lb/h and
> C = 120 cfm, so the 3.25 gallon reservoir would last 3.25x8.33/1.73 =
> 15.6 hours.
>
> 50 CLO =.5'clothing insulation (clo)
> 60 MET=1.1'metabolic rate (met)
> 70 WME=0'external work (met)
> 80 TA=(80.5-32)/1.8'air temp (C)
> 90 TR=TA'mean radiant temp (C)
> 100 VEL=.5'air velocity
> 120 RH=66.3'relative humidity (%)
> 130 PA=0'water vapor pressure
> 140 DEF FNPS(T)=EXP(16.6536-4030.183/(TA+235))'sat vapor pressure, kPa
> 150 IF PA=0 THEN PA=RH*10*FNPS(TA)'water vapor pressure, Pa
> 160 ICL=.155*CLO'clothing resistance (m^2K/W)
> 170 M=MET*58.15'metabolic rate (W/m^2)
> 180 W=WME*58.15'external work in (W/m^2)
> 190 MW=M-W'internal heat production
> 200 IF ICL<.078 THEN FCL=1+1.29*ICL ELSE FCL=1.05+.645*ICL'clothing factor
> 210 HCF=12.1*SQR(VEL)'forced convection conductance
> 220 TAA=TA+273'air temp (K)
> 230 TRA=TR+273'mean radiant temp (K)
> 250 TCLA=TAA+(35.5-TA)/(3.5*(6.45*ICL+.1))'est clothing temp
> 260 P1=ICL*FCL:P2=P1*3.96:P3=P1*100:P4=P1*TAA'intermediate values
> 300 P5=308.7-.028*MW+P2*(TRA/100)^4
> 310 XN=TCLA/100
> 320 XF=XN
> 330 N=0'number of iterations
> 340 EPS=.00015'stop iteration when met
> 350 XF=(XF+XN)/2'natural convection conductance
> 360 HCN=2.38*ABS(100*XF-TAA)^.25
> 370 IF HCF>HCN THEN HC=HCF ELSE HC=HCN
> 380 XN=(P5+P4*HC-P2*XF^4)/(100+P3*HC)
> 390 N=N+1
> 400 IF N>150 GOTO 550
> 410 IF ABS(XN-XF)>EPS GOTO 350
> 420 TCL=100*XN-273'clothing surface temp (C)
> 440 HL1=.00305*(5733-6.99*MW-PA)'heat loss diff through skin
> 450 IF MW>58.15 THEN HL2=.42*(MW-58.15) ELSE HL2=0'heat loss by sweating
> 460 HL3=.000017*M*(5867-PA)'latent respiration heat loss
> 470 HL4=.0014*M*(34-TA)'dry respiration heat loss
> 480 HL5=3.96*FCL*(XN^4-(TRA/100)^4)'heat loss by radiation
> 490 HL6=FCL*HC*(TCL-TA)'heat loss by convection
> 510 TS=.303*EXP(-.036*M)+.028'thermal sensation transfer coefficient
> 520 PMV=TS*(MW-HL1-HL2-HL3-HL4-HL5-HL6)'predicted mean vote
> 530 PPD=100-95*EXP(-.03353*PMV^4-.2179*PMV^2)'predicted % dissatisfied
> 540 GOTO 580
> 550 PMV=99999!:PPD=100
> 580 PRINT TA,RH,CLO,PMV,PPD
>
> T (C) RH% Clo PMV PPD%
>
> 35 33 .5 3.07171 99.38564
> 28.88889 57.6 .5 .8197596 19.1735
> 26.94445 66.3 .5 6.351899E02 5.083534
>
> Nick

Am I reading you correct that you are finally using outside air?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 5:51 pm
From: Abby Normal

On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Tockk" <to...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Wow . . . now that's what I call a post . . .
> Thanks,
> --Tock

Nick has been learning evaporative cooling for a couple years online
now, he may understand it one day yet :-)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 7:25 pm
From: p

Has anyone used dr. oogle to find a dentist? Is this site any good?
Wonder how they can judge which review are real and which are fake?

www.doctoroogle.com/

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TOPIC: Driveway width
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 8:01 pm
From: info@1-script.com (spendwize.com)

Any driveway that's attaching to a road has to be approved by the entity
owning the road. It would be foolish at best for your neighbor to not have
this approved by the township, university or whoever owns the road. In
case of a township, I imagine such approval would be a public record. In
case of a university - I don't know but it may be useful for you to find
out. If he did not get this approved, you can get him to at least pay a
fine. Not sure what your intentions are though: do you also want to limit
parking in front of YOUR house?

-------------------------------------
Jack Ricci wrote:

> All houses on the street are built on lots that are 60' wide, and all
> have two car garages. All garages have driveways that lead into the
> street and slope down to the street by becoming wider by two feet on
> each side angling up toward the curb so as not to drop too suddenly on
> the street. A neighbor has recently rebuilt his driveway, but instead
> of
> a two-foot widening on each side has built a 3-foot slope on each side,

> thus reducing on street parking to less cars in front of his house (we
> live near a university, and a lot of students park on our street.)

> My question: would it be permissible for others to do the same thing,
> if
> they so wish, and is it legal? I looked up parking restrictions on our
> city streets, but could find nothing to address this issue. Also, is it

> legal to park in front of that slope as long as it doesn't obstruct the

> two-car driveway? It is hard to explain the situation, but it is real.
> It would be costly to redo the part that touches the street, but would
> also at the same time be helpful. I do not want to antagonize the
> neighbor who is difficult at best, and do not want to complain to the
> city about something which might be perfectly legal.

> Can someone advise me? Thank you.

> street street street
> ___________ ____________
> ____curb___ __curb______| |

> +1ft. +1ft |
> / |
> / |
> driveway

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TOPIC: STURDY Backpack Recommendation, please
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 12:38 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Sep 3, 9:41 am, Bianca <ldancau...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Every September, for the past few years, I have had to buy new
> backpacks for my two girls, as one school-year is, apparently, the
> maximum life-expectancy of any school backpack (even those so-called
> "high-end" ones such as Roots or Swiss Gear).
>
> Growing up, my brothers and I went through exactly 3 (leather) school
> bags each: one for elementary and middle school (which was actually
> passed down from one child to the next), one for high-school and one
> for university. Of course, then, planned obsolescence had not taken
> over America.
>
> Can someone recommend a backpack that would last AT LEAST a couple of
> years?
>
> TIA
>
> Bianca

The best backpack I had was bought at Pic-N-Save (aka MacFrugals and
renamed again to BigLots). I believe it was under $10; had a suede
bottom...and I used it for almost 6 years in college (from 86-92).
The things you want to check are the stitching for sure; for hardiness
I'd suggest checking a store that outfits campers, not fashion
conscious teens.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 12:52 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:38:50 -0700, Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>The best backpack I had was bought at Pic-N-Save (aka MacFrugals and
>renamed again to BigLots). I believe it was under $10; had a suede
>bottom...and I used it for almost 6 years in college (from 86-92).
>The things you want to check are the stitching for sure; for hardiness
>I'd suggest checking a store that outfits campers, not fashion
>conscious teens.

The first thing to go on my kids' previous backpacks was always the
zippers.

In fact, zippers seem to be the weak point on most satchels,
backpacks, fanny packs and similar gear-holding items that have failed
for us in recent years. No doubt they all get their poor quality
zippers from the same set of (asian) manufacturers.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 5:43 pm
From: James

On Sep 5, 3:52 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:38:50 -0700, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The best backpack I had was bought at Pic-N-Save (aka MacFrugals and
> >renamed again to BigLots). I believe it was under $10; had a suede
> >bottom...and I used it for almost 6 years in college (from 86-92).
> >The things you want to check are the stitching for sure; for hardiness
> >I'd suggest checking a store that outfits campers, not fashion
> >conscious teens.
>
> The first thing to go on my kids' previous backpacks was always the
> zippers.
>
> In fact, zippers seem to be the weak point on most satchels,
> backpacks, fanny packs and similar gear-holding items that have failed
> for us in recent years. No doubt they all get their poor quality
> zippers from the same set of (asian) manufacturers.
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
> consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

Mountain Equipment co-op is a non profit. They check everything they
sell before they market it. The url is www.mec.ca. There is a
memebership fee but its lifetime.

Their clothing is great. I've owned a hiking style backpack from there
for 20 years.

James
James

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TOPIC: PERSONAL LOANS TODAY!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 1:15 pm
From: annis

PERSONAL LOANS TODAY!

www.bigloanguide.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 2:04 pm
From: George Grapman

I had doubts about the legitimacy of this until I saw that they are
posting from gmail and the contact info is a hotmail address.

== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:01 pm
From: oprah.chopra@gmail.com

It now costs almost $200,000 to send a kid to a typical private
college. Supposedely tuition has outpaced inflation over the last 10
years due to several reasons.

I wonder if we will see more kids 'home-colleged'? Will any grad.
school accept such students? What are some frugal alternatives to
this 200k price tag?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:23 pm
From: Logan Shaw

oprah.chopra@gmail.com wrote:
> It now costs almost $200,000 to send a kid to a typical private
> college. Supposedely tuition has outpaced inflation over the last 10
> years due to several reasons.

I believe it.

> I wonder if we will see more kids 'home-colleged'? Will any grad.
> school accept such students?

Hopefully not, and probably not.

> What are some frugal alternatives to
> this 200k price tag?

A public college. There are some good values to be had at certain
state schools which nonetheless supply a very solid education. Also,
scholarships and grants.

Another alternative is to spend the first 1 or 2 years at a cheaper
school. You can take English and calculus at just about any decent
school. Then transfer to the other school later, and you still get
a diploma with their (hopefully prestigious) name on it. In some
cases, this could reduce the quality of the education you get, but
in some cases perhaps not. It probably depends on the individual
schools and the major.

Yet another strategy is to take basics like English at a cheap
community college during the summer. That's similar to the strategy
of spending your first couple of years elsewhere, but it allows you
to carefully pick and choose which classes you think are worth taking
at the "real" (expensive) school.

And one more strategy is to test out of as much as possible. Go to
a good high school and take AP or IB classes (or whatever they're
doing now), then study hard and take every equivalence test you
think you have odds of passing. This saves time *and* money.

- Logan

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:48 pm
From: Duke of Hazard

On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Yet another strategy is to take basics like English at a cheap
> community college during the summer. That's similar to the strategy
> of spending your first couple of years elsewhere, but it allows you
> to carefully pick and choose which classes you think are worth taking
> at the "real" (expensive) school.

My friends did this recently , but almost none of their credits
transferred to their prestigious 4-year college ( ranked in top 10 )!

> And one more strategy is to test out of as much as possible. Go to
> a good high school and take AP or IB classes (or whatever they're
> doing now), then study hard and take every equivalence test you
> think you have odds of passing. This saves time *and* money.
>
> - Logan

Not sure if this is much value at a top school either. I dont think
they offer such tests and even if they did all it will let you do is
enroll in a more difficult class to begin with.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 9:29 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Duke of Hazard wrote:
> On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Yet another strategy is to take basics like English at a cheap
>> community college during the summer. That's similar to the strategy
>> of spending your first couple of years elsewhere, but it allows you
>> to carefully pick and choose which classes you think are worth taking
>> at the "real" (expensive) school.
>
> My friends did this recently , but almost none of their credits
> transferred to their prestigious 4-year college ( ranked in top 10 )!

It does require planning. It's best to check the target school's
policy before registering for a class you plan to transfer somewhere
else, because if you don't you can waste time taking classes that
don't transfer at all or that transfer in as some sort of credit
you don't need to graduate.

>> And one more strategy is to test out of as much as possible. Go to
>> a good high school and take AP or IB classes (or whatever they're
>> doing now), then study hard and take every equivalence test you
>> think you have odds of passing. This saves time *and* money.

> Not sure if this is much value at a top school either. I dont think
> they offer such tests and even if they did all it will let you do is
> enroll in a more difficult class to begin with.

I'd be surprised if the majority of top schools didn't have some sort
of program where you can test out of a few things like English
composition or a foreign language by getting a sufficient score on
a College Board Advanced Placement test. They might require really
high scores, though.

I guess the moral of the story is make sure your plan is going to
work before you start doing stuff that might be a waste of time and
money.

- Logan

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 10:36 pm
From:

A relative intentionally failed to register for one of his high school
graduation requirements, "forcing" him to take a fifth year of high
school, a year he filled with free AP courses and electives he'd never
had time for.

Not graduating on time did cost him a National Merit Scholarship, but
saved more than that in wiaved courses thanks to the AP courses.

--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 2:04 am
From: Logan Shaw

josh@phred.org wrote:
> A relative intentionally failed to register for one of his high school
> graduation requirements, "forcing" him to take a fifth year of high
> school, a year he filled with free AP courses and electives he'd never
> had time for.
>
> Not graduating on time did cost him a National Merit Scholarship, but
> saved more than that in wiaved courses thanks to the AP courses.

A guy from my high school had a similar story, but in reverse. Instead
of intentionally delaying his graduation, he took extra courses and
planned to meet all the requirements to graduate early. Then along
came H. Ross Perot, who spearheaded efforts to reform the Texas public
schools[1]. Along with the "no pass, no play" rule came a "no graduate
early, no matter if you've fulfilled 100% of the requirements" rule.
As I recall hearing, the new rules essentially left him with a senior
year during which he had no academic requirements at all. So he
registered for as many AP classes as possible, and I believe may have
even worked out a special deal to take a course or two at a local
college at the same time. Essentially he was unable to skip his
last year of high school as planned so instead he skipped his first
year of college.

- Logan

[1] This was actually a pretty high-profile thing when he was involved
in it, and it gained him a lot of notoriety and respect statewide.
It is probably one of the reasons he was able to garner as much
support as he did when he ran for President.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 8:57 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46dfc2a3$0$16517$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> josh@phred.org wrote:

> planned to meet all the requirements to graduate early. Then along
> came H. Ross Perot, who spearheaded efforts to reform the Texas public
> schools[1]. Along with the "no pass, no play" rule came a "no graduate
> early, no matter if you've fulfilled 100% of the requirements" rule.

the reason for that is because schools get a per capita subsidy from
the federal govt. if you graduate early, you screw the district out
of that portion of the subsidy. this is also why districts are so strict
in how many days you can miss. they claim that it's for the sake of
the student, but if a student has mono and the dr says no school for 4
weeks, the student can do the work at home, but won't be passed to
the next grade. because they didn't show up for the head count, the
district will make sure to get that money and then some the next year.
this actually happened in a district we lived in; the kid was an a/b
student and fully capable of keeping up while at home.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:42 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:29:53 -0700, Useful Info <useful_inf@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Electricity from solar.
>Propane from a small container.
>$10k for the entire house.
>No mortgage...
>
>Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
>enslaved to the banks?

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wolfe92.html
The art of living in small spaces

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TOPIC: This is the smartest thing i have ever done!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 8:57 pm
From: rutgerskevin

Check out my new website about my efforts to make money on the
internet. Let's make some money together.

http://www.freewebs.com/rutgerskevin/unemployedhelp.htm

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 9:23 pm
From: Gordon

For those of you just joining us. A few months ago I noticed
that Key Bank was offering free iPods to people who opened
new checking accounts. So I thought I'd milk the system
and get me one.

Of course there are conditions that need to be met.

So far I have had my employer change my direct deposit
of my paycheck to Keybank. I have a few "Starter checks"
that I can use to move the money over to my existing bank.
So that's good. When I run out of starter checks I'll
change the direct deposit back over to my existing bank,

Just to be sure tho; I called my insurance agent and had them
change the billing on my car insurance to get it over $100.00
per payment. Then I had them change to a direct debit of tthe
key bank account.

So if all goes as planned, I'll have met the requirment for
two automatic transactions over $100.00.

The only other requirement is to keep the account open for 3
months. (6 if I want to avoid the early account close out fee).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 8:58 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99A2D9A885A72greederxprtnet@199.45.49.11...
> For those of you just joining us. A few months ago I noticed
> that Key Bank was offering free iPods to people who opened
> new checking accounts. So I thought I'd milk the system
> and get me one.
>
> Of course there are conditions that need to be met.
>
> So far I have had my employer change my direct deposit
> of my paycheck to Keybank. I have a few "Starter checks"
> that I can use to move the money over to my existing bank.
> So that's good. When I run out of starter checks I'll
> change the direct deposit back over to my existing bank,
>
> Just to be sure tho; I called my insurance agent and had them
> change the billing on my car insurance to get it over $100.00
> per payment. Then I had them change to a direct debit of tthe
> key bank account.
>
> So if all goes as planned, I'll have met the requirment for
> two automatic transactions over $100.00.
>
> The only other requirement is to keep the account open for 3
> months. (6 if I want to avoid the early account close out fee).

so, do you feel it is worth the hassle?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 9:30 pm
From: Tour Mela

Reach ur tour destination

http://www.tourmela.com

Caves, Palaces, Temple, Forts, Museums, Adventure Tourism, River
Rafting, Paragliding, Monuments, Hill stations, Beaches, Museums,

Traditions, pilgrimages, wildlife,

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 3:56 am
From: Ted

On Sep 5, 3:20 pm, "GeekBoy" <g...@boy.com> wrote:
> Importing Poverty
> By Robert J. Samuelson
>
> Wednesday, September 5, 2007
>
> The government last week released its annual statistical report on poverty
> and household income. As usual, we -- meaning the public, the media and
> politicians -- missed a big part of the story. It is this: The stubborn
> persistence of poverty, at least as measured by the government, is
> increasingly a problem associated with immigration. As more poor Hispanics
> enter the country, poverty goes up. This is not complicated, but it is
> widely ignored.
>
> The standard story is that poverty is stuck; superficially, the statistics
> support that. The poverty rate measures the share of Americans below the
> official poverty line, which in 2006 was $20,614 for a four-person
> household. Last year, the poverty rate was 12.3 percent, down slightly from
> 12.6 percent in 2005 but higher than the recent low, 11.3 percent in 2000.
> It was also higher than the 11.8 percent average for the 1970s. So the
> conventional wisdom seems amply corroborated.
>
> It isn't. Look again at the numbers. In 2006, there were 36.5 million people
> in poverty. That's the figure that translates into the 12.3 percent poverty
> rate. In 1990, the population was smaller, and there were 33.6 million
> people in poverty, a rate of 13.5 percent. The increase from 1990 to 2006
> was 2.9 million people (36.5 million minus 33.6 million). Hispanics
> accounted for all of the gain.
>
> Consider: From 1990 to 2006, the number of poor Hispanics increased 3.2
> million, from 6 million to 9.2 million. Meanwhile, the number of
> non-Hispanic whites in poverty fell from 16.6 million (poverty rate: 8.8
> percent) in 1990 to 16 million (8.2 percent) in 2006. Among blacks, there
> was a decline from 9.8 million in 1990 (poverty rate: 31.9 percent) to 9
> million (24.3 percent) in 2006. White and black poverty has risen somewhat
> since 2000 but is down over longer periods.
>
> Only an act of willful denial can separate immigration and poverty. The
> increase among Hispanics must be concentrated among immigrants, legal and
> illegal, as well as their American-born children. Yet, this story goes
> largely untold. Government officials didn't say much about immigration when
> briefing on the poverty and income reports.
>
> The American Enterprise Institute, a conservative-leaning think tank, and
> the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal advocacy group for the
> poor, both held briefings. Immigration was a common no-show.
>
> Why is it important to get this story straight?
>
> One reason is truthfulness. It's usually held that we've made little, if
> any, progress against poverty. That's simply untrue.
>
> Among non-Hispanic whites, the poverty rate may be approaching some
> irreducible minimum: people whose personal habits, poor skills, family
> relations or bad luck condemn them to a marginal existence. Among blacks,
> the poverty rate remains abysmally high, but it has dropped sharply since
> the 1980s. Moreover, taking into account federal benefits (food stamps, the
> earned-income tax credit) that aren't counted as cash income would further
> reduce reported poverty.
> We shouldn't think that our massive efforts to mitigate poverty have had no
> effect. Immigration hides our grudging progress.
>
> A second reason is that immigration affects government policy. By default,
> our present policy is to import poor people. This imposes strains on local
> schools, public services and health care. From 2000 to 2006, 41 percent of
> the increase in people without health insurance occurred among Hispanics.
> Paradoxically, many Hispanics are advancing quite rapidly. But
> assimilation -- which should be our goal -- will be frustrated if we keep
> adding to the pool of poor. Newcomers will compete with earlier arrivals. In
> my view, though some economists disagree, competition from low-skilled
> Hispanics also hurts low-skilled blacks.
>
> We need an immigration policy that makes sense. My oft-stated belief is that
> legal immigration should favor the high-skilled over the low-skilled. They
> will assimilate quickest and aid the economy the most.
>
> As for present illegal immigrants, we should give most of them legal status,
> both as a matter of practicality and fairness. Many have been here for years
> and have American children. At the same time, we should clamp down on new
> illegal immigration through tougher border controls and employer sanctions.
>
> Whatever one's views, any sensible debate requires accurate information.
> There's the rub. Among many analysts, journalists and politicians, it's
> politically or psychologically discomforting to discuss these issues
> candidly. Robert Greenstein, head of the Center on Budget and Policy
> Priorities, says his group focuses on short-term trends, where immigration's
> role isn't so apparent. Conveniently, that avoids antagonizing some of the
> center's supporters.
>
> Journalists are also leery of making the connection. Fifty-four reporters
> signed up for the center's briefing last week. With one exception (me), none
> asked about immigration's effect on poverty or incomes. But the evidence is
> hiding in plain sight, and the facts won't vanish just because we ignore
> them.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR200...

Poverty is the destiny of these low IQ invading parasites. But they
bring social decay, disease, and
crime is more important. In the long term the invaders are a menace to
the environment via population growth.

ted

http://www.amren.com/

American Renaissance

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 4:10 am
From: Day Brown

On Sep 6, 6:56 am, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Poverty is the destiny of these low IQ invading parasites. But they
> bring social decay, disease, and
> crime is more important. In the long term the invaders are a menace to
> the environment via population growth.
Gibbon reported that the aristocracy encouraged immigration of cheap
labor to Rome from tribes that lacked sound republican traditions.
Machiavelli noted how they funded the campaigns of demagogues
pandering to their ethnic and religious sensibilities while making
hidden deals to reduce the taxes on the rich. He went on to note how
republics do this, and not being able to tax the people with the
money, *borrow* it from them. This works until some creditor sees that
the tax base will no longer service the debt, much less pay it off,
and refuses to lend more.

Of course, in time, this led to financial crisis.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 5:09 am
From: Binyamin Dissen

Without wheat or spelt flour.

Seems like all the recipes I have found require wheat flour.

--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.

I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
especially those from irresponsible companies.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 8:50 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:oervd31uhmj73dcisis4e4hcfmml99mcq8@4ax.com...
> Without wheat or spelt flour.
>
> Seems like all the recipes I have found require wheat flour.

most bread recipes have to include some sort of wheat flour because bread
needs gluten:

http://www.helium.com/tm/253834/yeast-makes-bread-riseits

maybe you can find help here:

http://glutenfreediscoveries.blogspot.com/2007/03/delicious-bread.html

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Date: Thurs, Sep 6 2007 5:54 am
From: avtar

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Cow is the only animal that extricates his feeding after eating. Then
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 1:25 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 1:48 am
From: Dan Birchall

baranick@localnet.com (<RJ>) wrote:
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Yup. Not quite the same as the state(s) - in the Pacific Northwest, I
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== 1 of 2 ==
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TOPIC: cheap mailers for magazines/comics?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 4:38 am
From: "OhioGuy"

Can anyone direct me to some inexpensive mailers for sending 3-4 comic
books at a time? They don't have to be padded, just decent cardboard would
be fine.

I realize the postal service provides this if you send priority mail, but
that ends up costing over twice as much for postage.

I've found padded envelopes for about $1 each, but I'm hoping I can find a
simple cardboard mailer for hal that or less. Thanks!

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 4:38 am
From: "OhioGuy"

Can anyone direct me to some inexpensive mailers for sending 3-4 comic
books at a time? They don't have to be padded, just decent cardboard would
be fine.

I realize the postal service provides this if you send priority mail, but
that ends up costing over twice as much for postage.

I've found padded envelopes for about $1 each, but I'm hoping I can find a
simple cardboard mailer for hal that or less. Thanks!

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 8:13 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fbm4er$8d2$1@aioe.org...
> Can anyone direct me to some inexpensive mailers for sending 3-4 comic
> books at a time? They don't have to be padded, just decent cardboard
> would be fine.
>
> I realize the postal service provides this if you send priority mail, but
> that ends up costing over twice as much for postage.
>
> I've found padded envelopes for about $1 each, but I'm hoping I can find
> a simple cardboard mailer for hal that or less. Thanks!

try here:

http://www.uline.com/AdvSearchResult.asp?Ref=Pwrshp&Source=ALL&keywords=mail

i didn't check the prices.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 8:20 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

http://www.mysimon.com/9000-11047_8-0.html?sdcq=dnatrs-mailroom_and_shipping_supplies/dfllTrail-Mailroom%20and%20Shipping%20Supplies

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 8:25 am
From: Rick

OhioGuy wrote:
>
> Can anyone direct me to some inexpensive mailers for sending 3-4 comic
> books at a time? They don't have to be padded, just decent cardboard would
> be fine.
>
> I realize the postal service provides this if you send priority mail, but
> that ends up costing over twice as much for postage.
>
> I've found padded envelopes for about $1 each, but I'm hoping I can find a
> simple cardboard mailer for hal that or less. Thanks!

Can't you just DIY and find some relatively small size "used" boxes for
free? If you are sending this stuff book rate it's the weight that is
the greater factor. If the box runs a bit larger than you need, but the
overall package is still light, it shouldn't run up your postage cost.

Rick

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 11:12 am
From: clams casino

Rick wrote:

>OhioGuy wrote:
>
>
>> Can anyone direct me to some inexpensive mailers for sending 3-4 comic
>>books at a time? They don't have to be padded, just decent cardboard would
>>be fine.
>>
>> I realize the postal service provides this if you send priority mail, but
>>that ends up costing over twice as much for postage.
>>
>> I've found padded envelopes for about $1 each, but I'm hoping I can find a
>>simple cardboard mailer for hal that or less. Thanks!
>>
>>
>
>Can't you just DIY and find some relatively small size "used" boxes for
>free? If you are sending this stuff book rate it's the weight that is
>the greater factor. If the box runs a bit larger than you need, but the
>overall package is still light, it shouldn't run up your postage cost.
>
>Rick
>
>
magazines & comic books typically do not qualify for media (or bound
printed matter) rates.

My suggestion is to use 9x12 inch envelopes (about 10 cents each) with a
piece or two of cardboard where the magazines are placed in a plastic
bag or wrapped in Handiwrap as a moisture barrier. If sending many,
however, your time may be better spent elsewhere & paying for the boxes.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 5:40 am
From: Bianca

Hello again.

It seems that Jansport gets the highest marks from most of you, so off
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Thank you all for your suggestions, your help is much, much
appreciated!

Bianca

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TOPIC: auto clubs
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:06 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:10:17 -0500, Logan Shaw
<lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>> We've been thinking of changing auto clubs from AAA due to the
>> costs/benefit ratio becoming longer over the years. Over $120 is just
>> too much to pay per year for what we get in return.
>
>I've never been a member of an auto club like that primarily because
>I haven't really been able to see the value in it. My approach has
>always been to simply try to maintain a reliable car, learn to fix
>anything obvious (like a flat tire or a dead battery), and pay for
>towing on the few occasions when it's needed. In about 20 years of
>driving, I've only truly *needed* my car towed perhaps 5 times,
>maybe 10 times at the very most. It seems better to just bank the
>money and pay for it yourself when it happens.
>
>But, maybe I've just been lucky, or maybe it's just about hassle
>factor? I suppose I could see that.
>
> - Logan

We haven't been that lucky. Many areas in south Florida have
construction nails just hanging around in sniggering gangs on the side
of the road, waiting for the unwary motorist. When I got snagged by a
sticking thermostat on I-10, I was very grateful that the tow was
available. If it was just me, I might use your technique, but DW
doesn't have the strength or stamina.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:08 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:59:48 -0400, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>We've been thinking of changing auto clubs from AAA due to the
>>costs/benefit ratio becoming longer over the years. Over $120 is just
>>too much to pay per year for what we get in return.
>>
>>
>>
>Have you checked their car / home insurance? For us, they essentially
>pay us for our membership considering the cost savings vs. other companies.

Our auto insurance just dropped from over $1200/yr to about $500.
Moving and changing insurance companies made a big difference.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 7:09 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:35:29 -0400, Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote:

>Might be worth checking with your local BBB about both AAA and "that
>other place" to see if any complaints have been filed. AAA has worked
>very well for us over the years. Still consider it cheap insurance even
>at the current prices.

Good point. I'll do that, but since it is a relatively new company, I
don't anticipate any negative reports. I'm as concerned about it
going out of business as a failed startup.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 8:19 am
From: Rick

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:35:29 -0400, Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >Might be worth checking with your local BBB about both AAA and "that
> >other place" to see if any complaints have been filed. AAA has worked
> >very well for us over the years. Still consider it cheap insurance even
> >at the current prices.
>
> Good point. I'll do that, but since it is a relatively new company, I
> don't anticipate any negative reports. I'm as concerned about it
> going out of business as a failed startup.

Ya never know. If the company is really a dud the complaints come in
fast and furious.

I haven't looked at a BBB on line site in a while but when a local BBB
has records & searching available on line the last site I looked at
rated the complaints. AIRC it listed total complaints filed, number
resolved satisfactory, number of complaints dropped by customer, number
not resolved satisfactory, number still outstanding/pending. (This was
about Tiger Direct, located in Florida. A computer "stuff" company with
a horrible customer service reputation.)

If you call your BBB they should know if this is a regulated industry.
If it is there may be other places to check too - like with the AG's
office or any licensing board the business may have to go through -
other places where complaints could be filed.

HTH

Rick

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 8:35 am
From: whaa_hoo@yahoo.com

We ordered our modem online at the end of June, paid for it last
month, but still hadn't seen an update to the rebate on any of the
following websites:
http://www.bellsouth.com/reward
http://rewardcenter.att.com/Default.aspx?AC=yes
http://bellsouthrewardcenter.com/promocenter/bellsouth/index.shtml?bcid=rewards_tracking
(quite a confusing list of sites... and their may be several others I
didn't list.)

I guess if it has happened to several of us who are posting about it,
it's probably happening to a lot of others who aren't posting...

I called the number 1-866-342-4271 and spoke to a really nice lady
about our reward. She said that a lot of problems have been occurring
because the website customer service haven't been good about sending
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1-888-321-2375 does NOT work.

Have the date you ordered handy (and hopefully it is still less than
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She gave me a new web site to check AFTER they submit the request for
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www.vipgiftprocessing.com

Within minutes of hanging up with her, I checked and could see that
the check is being processed - but will probably be mailed in a month
(or hopefully less).

HTH!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 9:15 am
From: George Grapman

whaa_hoo@yahoo.com wrote:
> We ordered our modem online at the end of June, paid for it last
> month, but still hadn't seen an update to the rebate on any of the
> following websites:
> http://www.bellsouth.com/reward
> http://rewardcenter.att.com/Default.aspx?AC=yes
> http://bellsouthrewardcenter.com/promocenter/bellsouth/index.shtml?bcid=rewards_tracking
> (quite a confusing list of sites... and their may be several others I
> didn't list.)
>
> I guess if it has happened to several of us who are posting about it,
> it's probably happening to a lot of others who aren't posting...
>
> I called the number 1-866-342-4271 and spoke to a really nice lady
> about our reward. She said that a lot of problems have been occurring
> because the website customer service haven't been good about sending
> the information over to the Rewards Center for processing.
> 1-888-321-2375 does NOT work.
>
> Have the date you ordered handy (and hopefully it is still less than
> 90 days ago). Again, call 1-866-342-4271. Be really nice, they will
> do their best to help you - and give you a confirmation number for
> your DSL modem rebate.
>
> She gave me a new web site to check AFTER they submit the request for
> the rebate check. It is:
> www.vipgiftprocessing.com
>
> Within minutes of hanging up with her, I checked and could see that
> the check is being processed - but will probably be mailed in a month
> (or hopefully less).
>
> HTH!!
>
After three months of excuses I called ATT headquarters at
210-821-4105 and asked for the executive offices. The check came two
weeks later.
Same thing happened with the promised Visa gift card. The funniest in
a long line of excuses was that they needed to verify my address.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 5 2007 12:29 pm
From: "Bob's Backfire Burrito"

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>
> To all respective forum readers, please take notice:
>
WOW!!!
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>

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Thursday, September 6, 2007

20 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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25 new messages in 14 topics - digest