Frugal Living: Nov 15, 2007

Thursday, November 15, 2007

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Wholesale of the shoes clothing electronics in china www.fashion-sky.
com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:48 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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TOPIC: GET A 100% FREE iPOD,PS3,PSP,iPHONE,PSP,Wii,CELLPHONE,MP3 PLAYERS!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0819bfb25372398b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:50 am
From: Abhishek

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TOPIC: Cheap sell iphones and nokia Mobile from china (www.fashion-sky.com)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:53 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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TOPIC: Clothing Shirt Cap Nike Jordans puma bape gucci prada Sport shoes Bape
Dunk jean T shirt Handbag bags IPOD MP3 MP4 PSP PS2 PS3 Nokia N95 Hoodies
Sunglasses Nokia N93 Nokia N70 Sony memory card Mobile Phones etc wholesale
sport shoes clothing electrons mobile phone
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9f5406f82ed1629f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:55 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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TOPIC: wholesale sport shoes,clothing,electronics in china www.shopbb.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/307e0b3b16f266ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:14 am
From: "shopbb.com"

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.shopbb.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael

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TOPIC: Discount item scalping
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:31 am
From: James

On Nov 14, 5:38 pm, BrotherSandMonkey <blin...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 3:24 am, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > More basic problem, they have no transportation and have to
> > pay what the local stores charge. Pay to the store owner is
> > good, being mostly state aid card or cash. Cost is not a
> > real issue, since the locals are not paying for the goods
> > anyhow. The taxpayer pays. The elderly also need a local
> > store to survive, even good public transport can't get them
> > to the malls and large shopping centers.
>
> Sure, but they shouldn't stock Aldi and Save A Lot items, because
> low income and elderly pay thru the
> nose for what is worth and costs less. But Aldi and Save A Lot don't
> stock Forty Bowls.
>
> > I knew a family than ran a large chain of small "corner"
> > stores in the poor parts of town. First thing every morning
> > was a stop at the Sams and the bakery discount stores to
> > stock their stores for the day.
>
> Different. Unless Sams adapts a no dealers policy. The family
> wasn't Arab or Asian Indian, huh?
>
> > A law? Don't think for a minute that government can
> > transport those goods to these neighborhoods as efficiently
> > as the overpriced corner stores. If you want to help, and
> > are near one of these neighborhoods, offer to shop the basic
> > items a family needs, while you're shopping at your
> > superstore. Most of the elderly are very isolated and five
> > minutes of your time every other day may even save a life,
> > and both of you benefit. Next time you're at the grocery
> > store, behind a little old lady (or gent) with a small
> > selection of basics, and digging out change to pay, tell the
> > clerk to put it on your bill. That $5-10 will get you an
> > elderly smile, and amazed clerk look, you will remember a
> > long time.
>
> I'm not talking about Name Brands; I'm talking Off Brand (Aldi and
> Save A Lot are Off Brand, natch) products
> at prices similar to Name Brands in the Same F**ing Sand Monkey/Third
> World Monkey stores.
> Hell. no other people wants to stay in a store all those long hours,
> not even our African American friends have
> the patience to run their own 'hood stores.
>
> > Meals on wheels can only do so much.
>
> Never said it did. But we're not talking them per se, our
> elders.

Let's stop feeding the racist troll he is enjoying this too much.

James

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:59 am
From: larry

BrotherSandMonkey wrote:
> On Nov 12, 3:24 am, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:

>>I knew a family than ran a large chain of small "corner"
>>stores in the poor parts of town.
> Different. Unless Sams adapts a no dealers policy. The family
> wasn't Arab or Asian Indian, huh?

The family wasn't, just the people that worked there ;-)

But it's no different than the contractors and other trades
around here.

-larry / dallas

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TOPIC: Best place to post online classifieds?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:03 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I used to use the free Yahoo classifieds, but evidently they've been
"retired", just like Yahoo auctions. Seems like Yahoo is getting rid of
everything I liked to use on their website.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:22 am
From: Just A User

OhioGuy wrote:
> I used to use the free Yahoo classifieds, but evidently they've been
> "retired", just like Yahoo auctions. Seems like Yahoo is getting rid of
> everything I liked to use on their website.
>
>
well there is always craigslist

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 10:33 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

Just A User wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> I used to use the free Yahoo classifieds, but evidently they've been
>> "retired", just like Yahoo auctions. Seems like Yahoo is getting rid
>> of everything I liked to use on their website.
>>
> well there is always craigslist
>

some good buys, there.....local stuff
see b4 u buy

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 12:20 pm
From: timeOday

definitely craigslist. They're probably why Yahoo gave up.

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TOPIC: Auto Related - Gas Saving Tips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/815dabf997589ba7?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:28 am
From: "John Weiss"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
>> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...

>> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.

Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.

> If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
> thinner one.

Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.

> Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.

Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going faster
than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C at
highway speeds.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 11:17 am
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 14, 7:31 pm, "Joe" <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient... I don't
> really use it for anything other than commuting so here are some ideas I had
> without going TOO extreme...
>
> 1. Remove unnecessary parts that are heavy and lower mileage... Trunk rugs,
> unneeded tools, electric window motors(?), floor mats, hub caps, etc.
> Anything that is extra weight...
>
> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing. Thought about a K&N
> high flow filter, but at almost $60.00, I don't think it will pay for itself
> in the long run... Especially with FI.
>
> 3. Clean the throttle body on my car. At 160,000 miles, it's all messy
> inside.
>
> 4. No jack rabbit starts or cruising overly fast. No heavy acceleration on
> the highway to pass, etc.
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
> Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
> Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?http://tinyurl.com/5apkg
>
> Hillary Exposed:http://tinyurl.com/2v4avg

How about going on a diet? Body weight also contributes to lower
MPG. If you ride alone you could also lose the extra seats in the
car :)

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 3:37 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Seerialmom wrote:
...
> How about going on a diet? Body weight also contributes to lower
> MPG. If you ride alone you could also lose the extra seats in the
> car :)

You could also remove the outside mirrors, door handles, and radio
antenna. Then add smooth hubcaps, underbody panels and extra bits
to reduce wind resistance. The fenders, hood and outside body of the
car could be replaced with carbon fiber composites to save some extra
weight.

Better yet, trade it in for something more efficient. I'm told there
are all kinds of 100+ mpg cars coming out in a couple of years. Some
are supposed to get more than 200 mpg.

Anthony

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 4:32 pm
From: "Bob F"

"John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8OKdnc59d49KHKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
>>> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...
>
>>> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.
>
> Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.
>
>> If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
>> thinner one.
>
> Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.
>
>> Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.
>
> Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going faster
> than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C at
> highway speeds.

I've read this - it's even in my nissan van manual. But I sure can tell the
difference when I'm trying to hold speed up a steep hill when I turn the a/c
off. No such difference when I open the window.

Bob

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 4:50 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Joe" <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote in message
news:L4P_i.11140$VB6.7627@trnddc06...
> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient... I don't
> really use it for anything other than commuting so here are some ideas I had
> without going TOO extreme...
>
> 1. Remove unnecessary parts that are heavy and lower mileage... Trunk rugs,
> unneeded tools, electric window motors(?), floor mats, hub caps, etc. Anything
> that is extra weight...
>
> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing. Thought about a K&N
> high flow filter, but at almost $60.00, I don't think it will pay for itself
> in the long run... Especially with FI.
>
> 3. Clean the throttle body on my car. At 160,000 miles, it's all messy
> inside.
>
> 4. No jack rabbit starts or cruising overly fast. No heavy acceleration on
> the highway to pass, etc.
>
> Any other thoughts?

When you are going to have to slow or stop, get off the gas immediately. Let the
car slow down from engine brakeing rather than foot brakeing later on. If you
can, time the speed with the light to avoid total stops. Slowing down early can
mean not stopping, avoiding have to re-accelerate.

Choose your route to avoid steep uphills, long stops at problem lights, multiple
stops, heavy traffic.

Don't speed. If you won't back things up, even drive lower than the limit.

Don't warm up the engine - just drive gently the first few miles. It could even
help to leave the heater off until the engine is fully warm - it will warm up
faster, and uses less fuel when warm.

Bob

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 5:16 pm
From: "Lou"

"John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8OKdnc59d49KHKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
> >> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...
>
> >> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.
>
> Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.
>
> > If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
> > thinner one.
>
> Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.
>
> > Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.
>
> Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going
faster
> than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C
at
> highway speeds.

I suppose that every car is different, and I suppose that it depends on what
your definition of "highway speeds" is (as fast as you possibly can or the
posted speed limit), but in my car on about an 80 mile a day drive, one
third local two thirds interstate, air conditioning uses more gas than
driving with the windows open - a lot more.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 6:34 pm
From: Hugemoth

Sell your car and buy a car that gets better mileage. That's what I did
last summer. Bought a used car for $800.00 that gets 50 mpg on the
highway, better than my motorcycle. I can drive 500 miles on a tank of
gas and fill up with 10 gallons.

Joe wrote:
> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient... I don't
> really use it for anything other than commuting so here are some ideas I had
> without going TOO extreme...
>
> 1. Remove unnecessary parts that are heavy and lower mileage... Trunk rugs,
> unneeded tools, electric window motors(?), floor mats, hub caps, etc.
> Anything that is extra weight...
>
> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing. Thought about a K&N
> high flow filter, but at almost $60.00, I don't think it will pay for itself
> in the long run... Especially with FI.
>
> 3. Clean the throttle body on my car. At 160,000 miles, it's all messy
> inside.
>
> 4. No jack rabbit starts or cruising overly fast. No heavy acceleration on
> the highway to pass, etc.
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
> Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
> http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
> Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?
> http://tinyurl.com/5apkg
>
> Hillary Exposed:
> http://tinyurl.com/2v4avg
>
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:57 am
From: globwholesale@126.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 10:51 am
From: Anthony Matonak

OhioGuy wrote:
> Recently, I was looking over Ebay/Paypal fees, and noticed that it costs
> a whopping 87 cents in fees to sell a $2 item! That's 44% in fees for me,
> folks. Yes, I sell a lot of $2 items. (recent comics)
>
> This got me wondering: is there any other place that
> C) lets you sell smaller items for a 10% or less commission?

Have you tried craigs list? :)

Time for a reality check. It cost to provide these auction services.
Do you really expect them to stay in business if they don't charge?

The easy answer is not to sell the items one at a time but to sell
them in higher priced lots.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 11:29 am
From: globwholesale15@126.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 1:26 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

So far this season, we have received two gift cards as part of
advertisements: $10 at Kohl's and $5 at Ruby Tuesday. Given that
nothing at Kohl's is frugally priced ( :-) ), I think we did pretty
well, with an Oriental-style square serving dish and small bowl which
were on sale at 50% off. List price with tax would have been about
about $25; total cost to us was $1.58.

Not sure if this is a trend, but check those ads!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 1:42 pm
From: A Veteran

Santas in Australia's largest city have been told not to use Father
Christmas's traditional "ho ho ho" greeting because it may be offensive
to women, it was reported Thursday.

Sydney's Santa Clauses have instead been instructed to say "ha ha
ha" instead, the Daily Telegraph reported.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 2:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> Santas in Australia's largest city have been told not to use
> Father Christmas's traditional "ho ho ho" greeting because
> it may be offensive to women, it was reported Thursday.

> Sydney's Santa Clauses have instead been instructed
> to say "ha ha ha" instead, the Daily Telegraph reported.

Usual mindless Murdoch shit rag shit.

No one gets to 'instruct' all santas on anything.

> http://www.dailykos.com/

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 12:58 am
From: "Simon Finnigan"

"rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5pmfcsFrifgdU1@mid.individual.net...
> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:5pk748Frk0ncU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>>> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:5phnr5Fr2bdcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> we are the robots wrote:
>>>>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and haven't
>>>>>> got the receipt.
>>>>>> Works every time!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But that is lying.
>>>>
>>>> As is saying you have no right to a replacement, which is the blanket
>>>> statement from the likes of Argos.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good point, but is it possible that the person at Argos saying that may
>>> believe it to be true?
>>
>> Why would that be at all relevant? They are acting as a representative
>> of their company, and if their company has told them to say it, and they
>> say it, why would it matter what they thought?
>
>
> Why would it be relevant?? Because if they didn't know then telling them
> would be a better solution than lying as they would not be so inclined to
> pass on false information to other customers.

Are you saying it is the customers job to provide training for the staff at
a company? If you where running a company and a member of staff took legal
advice from a customer, and then passed that advice onto other customers,
would you be happy with them?

> If you are saying that one lie justifies another, then do you have any
> problem with Argos's actions in Martin's scenario above??
>
> If Argos are acting in ignorance of their obligations or pretending to be
> ignorant, surely invoking ones rights is a better and more honourable
> course of action than lying.

If the choice is between lying to them, and spending a month or two writing
threatening letters before initiating court action, then each person would
have to make that decision themselves - based on their interpretation of the
relevant legislation (i.e. which is the lesser evil) and their value of
their own time. For example, if you would rather spend 5 or 10 hours of
your time chasing up a replacement for a £10 item, when telling a lie would
give you the same end result, that is your choice.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 3:33 am
From: Frederick Williams <"Frederick Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>

johngood_____ wrote:
>
> I'm really fed up with the amount of our electrical goods that have broken
> down invariably not long after the one year warranty period has expired. I
> dont know if its true, but a Japanese told me that manufacturers are
> actually beginning to design stuff to do this.

Beginning? Built in obsolescence is a well-established property of many
manufactured goods; it's been going on for years.

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 5:51 am
From: Frederick Williams <"Frederick Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>

rainandsnow wrote:

> Sadly lying is now acceptable behaviour. I'd prefer to live in a
> society where the word of anyone could be trusted. - eg a policeman, a
> politician, a teacher. Britain was once like that.

When was that? Just because people did trust policemen, politicians and
teachers once doesn't mean that there was ever a time when they didn't
lie.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 2:15 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 2:50 am
From: abdo911

WAMY Series: On Islam No.9.Introduction
God's Attributes
The Oneness of God
The Believer's Attitude
Introduction
It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are
used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not
the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God.
Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender.
This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word "god," which can
be made plural, as in "gods," or made feminine, as in "goddess." It is
interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in
Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.The One
true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates
with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty Creator and Sustainer of
the universe, Who is similar to nothing, and nothing is comparable to
Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah;
the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short
chapter of the Qur'an, which is considered to be the essence of the
unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112, which reads:"
In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O
Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not
begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone".Some
non-Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and cruel God who
demands to be obeyed fully and is not loving and kind. Nothing could
be farther from the truth than this allegation. It is enough to know
that, with the exception of one, each of the 114 chapters of the
Qur'an begins with the verse " In the name of God, the Merciful, the
Compassionate". In one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), we
are told that " God is more loving and kind than a mother to her dear
child".On the other hand, God is also Just. Hence, evildoers and
sinners must have their share of punishment, and the virtuous must
have God's bounties and favors. Actually, God's attribute of Mercy has
full manifestation in His attribute of Justice. People suffering
throughout their lives for His sake should not receive similar
treatment from their Lord as people who oppress and exploit others
their whole lives. Expecting similar treatment for them would amount
to negating the very belief in the accountability of man in the
Hereafter and thereby negate all the incentives for a moral and
virtuous life in this world. The following Qur'anic verses are very
clear and straightforward in this respect.
Verily, for the Righteous are gardens of Delight, in the Presence of
their Lord. Shall We then treat the people of Faith like the people of
Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you?
Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or depicting Him as
favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis of wealth, power
or race. He created the human-beings as equals. They may distinguish
themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety only.
The concepts that God rested on the seventh day of creation, that God
wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter
against mankind, and that God is incarnate in any human being are
considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.
The unique usage of Allah as a personal name of God is a reflection of
Islam's emphasis on the purity of the belief in God that is the
essence of the message of all God's messengers. Because of this, Islam
considers associating any deity or personality with God as a deadly
sin that God will never forgive, despite the fact that He may forgive
all other sins.
The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created
because if He is of the same nature as they are, He will be temporal
and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him.
If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But if he is
eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing caused Him to come into
existence, nothing outside Him causes Him to continue to exist, which
means that he must be self-sufficient. And if He does not depend on
anything for the continuance of His own existence, then this existence
can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and everlasting: "He
is the First and the Last".
He is Self-sufficient or Self-subsistent, or, to use a Qur'anic term,
Al-Qayyum The Creator does not create only in the sense of bringing
things into being, He. also preserves them and takes them out of
existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to them.
" God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over
everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the
earth" (39:62-63).
" No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its provision rests
on God. He knows its lodging place and its repository" (11:16).
God's Attributes
If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His attributes must
also be eternal and everlasting. He should not lose any of His
attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then his attributes
are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such absolute
attributes? Can there be, for example, two absolutely powerful
Creators? A moment's thought shows that this is not feasible.
The Qur'an summarizes this argument in the following verses:" God has
not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god with Him: for then
each god would have taken of that which he created and some of them
would have risen up over others" (23:91).
" And why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they
(heaven and earth) would surely go to ruin" (21:22).
The Oneness of God
The Qur'an reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods. To the
worshippers of man-made objects it asks:" Do you worship what you have
carved yourself" (37:95). " Or have you taken unto yourself others
beside Him to be your protectors, even such as have no power either
for good or for harm to themselves" (13:16).
To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story of Abraham:"
When night outspread over him, he saw a star and said: This is my
Lord. But when it set, he said: I love not the setters. When he saw
the moon rising, he said: This is my Lord. But when it set, he said:
If my Lord does not guide me, I shall surely be of the people gone
astray. When he saw the sun rising, he said: This is my Lord; this is
greater. But when it set, he said: O my people, surely I quit that
which you associate, I have turned my face to Him who originated the
heavens and the earth; a man of pure faith, I am not one of the
idolators" (6:76-79).
The Believer's Attitude
In order to be a Muslim, that is, to surrender oneself to God, it is
necessary to believe in the oneness of God, in the sense of His being
the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher, etc. But this belief, later
called Tawhid Ar-Rububiyyah, is not enough. Many of the idolators knew
and believed that only the Supreme God could do all this. But this was
not enough to make them Muslims. To tawhid ar-rububiyyah, one must add
tawhid al-'uluhiyyah. That is, one acknowledges the fact that it is
God alone who deserves to be worshipped, and thus abstains from
worshipping any other thing or being.
Having achieved this knowledge of the one true God, man should
constantly have faith in Him, and should allow nothing to induce him
to deny truth.
When faith enters a person's heart, it causes certain mental states
that result in certain actions. Taken together, these mental states
and actions are the proof for the true faith. The Prophet said:" Faith
is that which resides firmly in the heart and which is proved by
deeds".
Foremost among those mental stated is the feeling of gratitude towards
God, which could be said to be the essence of ibada (worship).
The feeling of gratitude is so important that a non-believer is called
'kafir', which means 'one who denies a truth' and also 'one who is
ungrateful'.
A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties He bestowed
upon him, but being aware of the fact that his good deeds, whether
mental or physical, are far from being commensurate with Divine
favors, he is always anxious lest God should punish him, here or in
the Hereafter. He, therefore, fears Him, surrenders himself to Him and
serves Him with great humility. One cannot be in such a mental state
without being almost all the time mindful of God. Remembering God is
thus the life force of faith, without which it fades and withers
away.
The Qur'an tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by repeating the
attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these attributes
mentioned together in the following verses of the Qur'an:" He is God;
there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and the
visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God;
there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace,
the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-
Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they
associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him
belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the
earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise" (59:22-24).
" There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes
Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the
earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His leave?
He knows what lies before them, and what is after them, and they
comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His
throne comprises the heavens and earth. The preserving of them
oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-Glorious" (2:255).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the truth.
" The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and
His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe
in God and His Messengers, and say not "Three". Refrain; better it is
for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him -- (He is) above having a
son" (4:171).

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 2:53 am
From: Meghan Noecker

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:31:46 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:

>Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
>
>>They used to be a open to employees and their family members. Then,
>>later they opened up to all Washington state residents.
> Thanks for the info. I've never given any attention to credit
>unions. Always thought that in order to participate, one must be on a
>payroll somplace, a condition in which I never had much interest ;-) I
>guess your experience reflects the growing overlap of services among
>institutions. BTW, if the account you mention is structured as some kind
>of savings account with check-writing priviledges, instead of as a
>straight demand deposit account, the monthly cap on transfers (ACH?) may
>be regulatory.

This particular credit union charges a fee for all online transfers
over 6 in a month. But my other credit union has never mentioned a
limit. So, I'm not sure how this works.

My nephew managed two charges when he didn't believe me about the fees
and kept changing his money back and forth between his checking and
savings.

They also have a limit of checks per month, and debits per month. My
regular job is in a grocery store, so I do not carry cash at work. I
use a debit card for everythingI buy at work. I would easily exceed
the limit at the one bank. Fortunately, my regular account has no
limit.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 3:14 am
From: clams casino

Meghan Noecker wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:31:46 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Meghan Noecker <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>They used to be a open to employees and their family members. Then,
>>>later they opened up to all Washington state residents.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for the info. I've never given any attention to credit
>>unions. Always thought that in order to participate, one must be on a
>>payroll somplace, a condition in which I never had much interest ;-) I
>>guess your experience reflects the growing overlap of services among
>>institutions. BTW, if the account you mention is structured as some kind
>>of savings account with check-writing priviledges, instead of as a
>>straight demand deposit account, the monthly cap on transfers (ACH?) may
>>be regulatory.
>>
>>
>
>
>This particular credit union charges a fee for all online transfers
>over 6 in a month. But my other credit union has never mentioned a
>limit. So, I'm not sure how this works.
>
>
>

My credit union offers two checking accounts (you can have both). One
has low interest rate with unlimited withdrawals and the other is a
higher money market rate interest account with a maximum of 3 per
month. Could the type of account / interest rates be different?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 4:51 am
From: George

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>>
>
> Best thing is remove the nut behind the wheel.
>
>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:05 am
From: SMS *

augusto321@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto

Avoid the cylinder vacs. Look at commercial vacuums. In the U.S.,
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Eureka model C5712A is one good one, see "http://tinyurl.com/22lpep".

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