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TOPIC: Questions About Stand Alone DSL
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a4655242e06b438e?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 29 2008 9:19 pm
From: Bill

Jack wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:19:36 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >Jack wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:08:43 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Jack wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:24:46 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Just order it from Verizon (and take advantage of their current
> >> >> >deal to give you the first 6 months free, be sure to ask for
> >> >> >it).
> >> >>
> >> >> Huh?
> >> >>
> >> >> The Internet offer is for the first month free and then $19.99
> >> >> monthly.
> >> >>
> >> >> The telephone offer is for no months free and $21.95 monthly.
> >> >>
> >> >> They'll tell me to go ______ myself.
> >> >
> >> >Check out this discussion on Fatwallet:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18&threadid=853672
> >> >
> >> >Worst case they'll say "Huh?" Best case they'll look it up and
> >> >tell you that you qualify.
> >> >
> >> >If you choose not to believe me, be my guest. Nice to see you
> >> >ignored the rest of my post.
> >> >
> >> >BTW, existing customers out of contract can get a similar deal,
> >> >5 months free.
> >> >
> >> >Bill
> >>
> >> You think that I haven't dialed-in my no. at the Verizon site? No
> >> such offer was forthcoming.
> >
> >Well then call and tell them that you've heard that this offer
> >is available and that you want it. I don't know how much more
> >proof I have to give you before you believe me that the deal
> >DOES exist.
>
> I did.
>
> It requires VoiP
>
> At additional cost.

What??? VoiP from Verizon? With DSL? What are you TALKING
about???? Did you read the thread on Fatwallet that I pointed
you at? Did you see that people there have also gotten the deal?

I must admit, it's not often that we such a clueless person
ignoring good advice and thinking they know better than the
advice you're being given.

BTW what are the folks on DSLReports telling you?

Bill

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 4:47 am
From: Windswept@Home (Jack)

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:19:09 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Jack wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:19:36 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Jack wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:08:43 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jack wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:24:46 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Just order it from Verizon (and take advantage of their current
>> >> >> >deal to give you the first 6 months free, be sure to ask for
>> >> >> >it).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Huh?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Internet offer is for the first month free and then $19.99
>> >> >> monthly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The telephone offer is for no months free and $21.95 monthly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They'll tell me to go ______ myself.
>> >> >
>> >> >Check out this discussion on Fatwallet:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18&threadid=853672
>> >> >
>> >> >Worst case they'll say "Huh?" Best case they'll look it up and
>> >> >tell you that you qualify.
>> >> >
>> >> >If you choose not to believe me, be my guest. Nice to see you
>> >> >ignored the rest of my post.
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW, existing customers out of contract can get a similar deal,
>> >> >5 months free.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bill
>> >>
>> >> You think that I haven't dialed-in my no. at the Verizon site? No
>> >> such offer was forthcoming.
>> >
>> >Well then call and tell them that you've heard that this offer
>> >is available and that you want it. I don't know how much more
>> >proof I have to give you before you believe me that the deal
>> >DOES exist.
>>
>> I did.
>>
>> It requires VoiP
>>
>> At additional cost.
>
>What??? VoiP from Verizon? With DSL? What are you TALKING
>about???? Did you read the thread on Fatwallet that I pointed
>you at? Did you see that people there have also gotten the deal?

Of course I read "Fatwallet." There was a lot of arguing and teasing
regarding irrelevant points such as grammatical style. The thread
went off-topic quickly after one person said that the deal required
purchase of additional products from Verizon. Read it yourself.

The deal offered here features 6 months free but it's sold thru a 3rd
party that sells VOiP. It's actually 18 months DSL for the price of
12, but requires the VOiP.

It's what is known as a "business collaboration."

Guess you don't know everything.

>I must admit, it's not often that we such a clueless person
>ignoring good advice and thinking they know better than the
>advice you're being given.

When answering questions within my area of expertise, I never insult
people who ask sincerely.

>BTW what are the folks on DSLReports telling you?

In this geographical area, the sole sources of broadband have been
Comcast and satellite. Lots of complaints about both at that website.

DSL is just beginning here. Nothing to report; certainly nothing
about 6 months free Verizon without strings attached.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 7:42 am
From: George

Jack wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:32:06 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jack wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:19:36 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jack wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:08:43 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:24:46 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just order it from Verizon (and take advantage of their current
>>>>>>>> deal to give you the first 6 months free, be sure to ask for
>>>>>>>> it).
>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Internet offer is for the first month free and then $19.99
>>>>>>> monthly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The telephone offer is for no months free and $21.95 monthly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They'll tell me to go ______ myself.
>>>>>> Check out this discussion on Fatwallet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18&threadid=853672
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worst case they'll say "Huh?" Best case they'll look it up and
>>>>>> tell you that you qualify.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you choose not to believe me, be my guest. Nice to see you
>>>>>> ignored the rest of my post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, existing customers out of contract can get a similar deal,
>>>>>> 5 months free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>> You think that I haven't dialed-in my no. at the Verizon site? No
>>>>> such offer was forthcoming.
>>>> Well then call and tell them that you've heard that this offer
>>>> is available and that you want it. I don't know how much more
>>>> proof I have to give you before you believe me that the deal
>>>> DOES exist.
>>> I did.
>>>
>>> It requires VoiP
>>>
>>> At additional cost.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> As for the rest of your earlier post .... I know that many people use
>>>>> Verizon DSL but the % of online complaints exceed those pertaining to
>>>>> dial-up. I'm not tech-savvy and have to rely on support. Hell, even
>>>>> the Verizon telephone saleswoman was snotty and didn't seem to care
>>>>> whether I signed-up.
>>>> Probably because you asked so many stupid questions and kept
>>>> acting like you were the first person to ever sign up for DSL.
>>>> The odds are that your DSL will work fine and all of this
>>>> worrying will have been a waste. My 80 year old father installed
>>>> DSL and has no problems with it.
>>> Nope. When she revealed that the offer was for $21.95, I advised her
>>> that the online offer was $19.95 with first month free.
>>>
>>> At that point she copped an attitude.
>>
>> They offered a lower price on line for the do it yourself version where
>> you enter your own order. I don't see any particular problem about them
>> passing on the savings to you.
>
> Nope.
>
> I don't either.
>
>> From reading this thread it really sounds like you have overthought a
>> routine everyday thing that works well for millions of users especially
>> since you have 30 days to just put the modem back in the box and quit
>> with no cost. This isn't like you are going to have say a surgical
>> procedure where some irreversible state will exist after the procedure.
>
> Probably right.
>
> But if newsgroups are to inform, I'll ask questions as I see fit, even
> though they are stupid to those of you who are technologically-savvy.
>
> In another group, I answer medico-legal questions about a govt.
> disability program in which I had 30 years experience.
>
> Some people repeat their questions, and some questions seem so basic,
> but I don't consider any sincere question as being stupid.
>
> If you don't like my questions, just ignore any posts from "Jack."

I gave you a polite and reasonable answer. As others have suggested you
are reading way too much into the negative comments you found.

If I am looking for opinions I think it is sensible to completely
discard the bottom quarter and the top eighth because the bottom is
filled with a combination of whiners who would never be happy even if
gold coins started rolling out of their modem or are so inept or
impatient that they can't follow simple instructions and the top has the
shills and promoters.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 8:09 am
From: not@home.org (Unqualified Affirmative Action Prince)

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:19:09 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:

>What??? VoiP from Verizon? With DSL? What are you TALKING
>about????

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-519764_ITM

Where do you live, Mars?

Verizon Rings in Next Generation of Voice Services With VoiceWing
Broadband Phone Service; Verizon Beats the Competition With Most
Extensive Commercial Launch of Residential Voice-Over-IP in America,
Offering It Nationally With Area Codes Covering 139 Markets in 33
States and the District of Columbia.
Publication Date: 22-JUL-04
Publication Title: PR Newswire
Format: Online
(snip)

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 8:52 pm
From: Bill

Unqualified Affirmative Action Prince wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:19:09 GMT, Bill <billrubin@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >What??? VoiP from Verizon? With DSL? What are you TALKING
> >about????
>
> http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-519764_ITM
>
> Where do you live, Mars?
>
> Verizon Rings in Next Generation of Voice Services With VoiceWing
> Broadband Phone Service; Verizon Beats the Competition With Most
> Extensive Commercial Launch of Residential Voice-Over-IP in America,
> Offering It Nationally With Area Codes Covering 139 Markets in 33
> States and the District of Columbia.
> Publication Date: 22-JUL-04
> Publication Title: PR Newswire
> Format: Online
> (snip)

Not Mars but I haven't seen any mention of that in years and had
completely forgotten about it. And I certainly haven't seen it
mentioned in regards to the 5 or 6 months free DSL offer.

Bill

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 9:00 pm
From: Bill

Jack wrote:
>
> Of course I read "Fatwallet." There was a lot of arguing and teasing
> regarding irrelevant points such as grammatical style. The thread
> went off-topic quickly after one person said that the deal required
> purchase of additional products from Verizon. Read it yourself.

I read it and saw nothing of the sort. And I just reread it
myself and say no arguing about grammar. Nor do I see anything
about needing other products. I do see people saying they wish
they had FiOS. I did see lots of people reporting success
getting the deal (including me).

You seem to have an uncanny ability to ignore the good
information and pay attention to the irrelevant stuff. I guess
that is not surprising given your original concern about DSL
problems that so many people were having.

> The deal offered here features 6 months free but it's sold thru a 3rd
> party that sells VOiP. It's actually 18 months DSL for the price of
> 12, but requires the VOiP.

So you're saying that Verizon actually pointed you at a third
party?
>
> It's what is known as a "business collaboration."
>
> Guess you don't know everything.
>
> >I must admit, it's not often that we such a clueless person
> >ignoring good advice and thinking they know better than the
> >advice you're being given.
>
> When answering questions within my area of expertise, I never insult
> people who ask sincerely.

Sorry, but your postings left the "sincere" level several days
ago.

Bill

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TOPIC: friendship
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3a90c7e156625c55?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 5:30 am
From: chobishamanoj@gmail.com

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 2:07 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 30, 8:30 am, chobishama...@gmail.com wrote:
> friendship to girl

dating=porking

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TOPIC: Nike Air Jordan 1 I Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 1 AJF1 AJ1F
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 5:57 am
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TOPIC: WWLC-Worldwide Loan Club--Will Make You Debt Free--Bad Credit? No
problem!! It's worked for me over and over again!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9c11f297d526e8f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 8:47 am
From: glendab

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 6:25 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 30, 11:47 am, glendab <jrandgle...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> You have our guarantee. This certainly worked for us--Now finances is
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>
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We even have time left over to post in complete sentences using proper
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TOPIC: Freeware replacement to upscoop for social networking search engines
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1e69471a4727a6d4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 8:52 am
From: Donita Luddington

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:51:03 -0700, Donita Luddington wrote:
> Any freeware replacements for upscoop?

I'm forced to conclude there is no freeware replacement for upscoop
freeware which makes social networking aggregators one of the rare
necessary tools that doesn't have a freeware equivalent anymore.

So, last week, I bought a subscription to http://www.spokeo.com,

Spokeo was working fine, until now. But for the past two days, going to
http://www.spokeo.com fails. It just thinks forever and finally times out
while other web pages work fine.

The funny thing is I googled and nothing says the spokeo server is down.

Is http://www.spokeo.com down for you too?

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TOPIC: To juice or not.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:17 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:40:31 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>No matter how disappointed people may be with McCain, the two still
>differ greatly on the basics. It's McCain for me, as would be just
>about any Republican over just about any Democrat.

Thus speakeath pinhead Marsha.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:20 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:53:28 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>In general, yes, I am pleased. Have you paid any attention to Obama's
>flipflops? He said just what he needed in order to gain the nomination
>and is now changing his mind so fast, the hardliner Dems are disappointed.

They are following the footsteps of the Rethuglicans: down the path to
fascism, destruction, and nuclear holocaust. Just remember: YOUR
people led the way. And I'm SURE you're pleased with that, being the
pinhead you clearly are.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:22 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:23:46 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>If nothing else, you really need to consider the upcoming Supreme
>Court appointments. Actually, that's really the most critical aspect of
>the next election.

No point arguing with pinhead Martha. She's clueless...and evil.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:27 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:00:08 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>That's the best you can come up with? Your credibility just dropped to -50.

Thus speaketh pinhead Marsha.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:43 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:33:24 -0700, Pan <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote:

>And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.

Clueless is as clueless does.

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TOPIC: Home heating oil price?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/25ab6d7a439ac7f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 4:56 pm
From: "h"

"Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.08.30.00.28.41.788589@epix.net...
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:15:38 +0000, Lou wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.08.29.18.13.23.240252@epix.net...
>>> >> > In article <pan.2008.08.25.16.42.47.313...@epix.net>, Ann
>>> >> > <nntpm...@epix.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > > What's the current home heating oil price in your area? It's 3.75
>> in
>>> >> > > north PA. Glad I didn't panic and prepay; that's 4.70. Undecided
>>> >> whether
>>> >> > > I should buy now or bet on it dropping some more.
>>> >>
>>> > ???Your pre-pay plan doesn't include an automatic reduction if the
>>> > price drops? Wow, that sucks. My plan requires an annual, up-front
>>> > payment to lock in a lower rate than pay-as-you-go. However, if the
>>> > price of oil drops below the originally reduced price, all future
>>> > deliveries are calculated on the lower rate, so my money goes further
>>> > (I have money
>> left
>>> > over to be applied to the following year). This is with a mom and pop
>>> > company in upstate NY.
>>>
>>> The company does also have some sort of plan like that, but it's tied to
>>> auto-fill. For several reasons, I prefer to decide how much oil I want,
>>> and when.
>>
>> I can understand the when, sorta - if you're short of cash today maybe
>> you
>> can eke out another week on the oil in your tank. But overall, you're
>> going to need it when you need it, and how often the tank gets filled
>> isn't going to change how much you buy - it's not like they could put
>> another 100 gallons of oil into an already full tank.
>
> That isn't one of the several reasons. <g> When heating oil prices were
> following the normal pattern of dropping in the summer, I'd have it filled
> at the "summer fill" price, then get another ~250 gallons sometime between
> when the tank was drawn down enough to take it and when it got
> uncomfortably low. Exactly when depended on my guesstimate on which way
> the price would go and the weather prediction.
>
>> Years ago, I rented a place that had oil heat, and the auto-fill was a
>> great convenience as far as I was concerned. And if it also means that
>> you'll spend less on heat this coming winter, well, how much is that
>> deciding how much and when worth in terms of cold, hard, cash?
>
> Auto-fill is not convenient when the furnace goes off Friday evening in
> below freezing weather (empty tank) and no one responds the message
> left at the 24-hour number until Monday morning. It's not convenient to
> plow an extra 150' of drive every time it snows in case the company
> might decide to deliver oil before the snow melts. And auto-fill is not
> cheaper if they decide to fill the tank when there is a month's supply
> left and the price is falling.

Ok, I don't get any of that. I've never had my tank come even close to going
empty using auto-fill. Also, even if call at 4am (and I have) there is a
human being to answer the phone and send out a repair man within a few
minutes. Don't you need to plow the driveway to get in and out yourself? I
pay a "lower than non-annual pay" rate up front (at least $.50 a gallon). If
the "regular" oil price drops below that amount (it never, ever has) during
the year, I get the lower rate on all deliveries after that point. Why on
earth would I try to ride the rate waves, when it's all done for me? Right
now the annual price is $4.45/gallon with the "budget" (12 equal payments)
price is $4.90/gallon, and the "have your tank filled now" price is
$4.99/gallon. Gee, what do you think I'm going to do? I wish I lived where
oil was under $4/gallon, but I live in the state with the highest taxes in
the US (probably on earth).

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 6:37 pm
From: BR

h wrote:
> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.08.30.00.28.41.788589@epix.net...
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:15:38 +0000, Lou wrote:
>>
>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2008.08.29.18.13.23.240252@epix.net...
>>>>>>> In article <pan.2008.08.25.16.42.47.313...@epix.net>, Ann
>>>>>>> <nntpm...@epix.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What's the current home heating oil price in your area? It's 3.75
>>> in
>>>>>>>> north PA. Glad I didn't panic and prepay; that's 4.70. Undecided
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>> I should buy now or bet on it dropping some more.
>>>>> ???Your pre-pay plan doesn't include an automatic reduction if the
>>>>> price drops? Wow, that sucks. My plan requires an annual, up-front
>>>>> payment to lock in a lower rate than pay-as-you-go. However, if the
>>>>> price of oil drops below the originally reduced price, all future
>>>>> deliveries are calculated on the lower rate, so my money goes further
>>>>> (I have money
>>> left
>>>>> over to be applied to the following year). This is with a mom and pop
>>>>> company in upstate NY.
>>>> The company does also have some sort of plan like that, but it's tied to
>>>> auto-fill. For several reasons, I prefer to decide how much oil I want,
>>>> and when.
>>> I can understand the when, sorta - if you're short of cash today maybe
>>> you
>>> can eke out another week on the oil in your tank. But overall, you're
>>> going to need it when you need it, and how often the tank gets filled
>>> isn't going to change how much you buy - it's not like they could put
>>> another 100 gallons of oil into an already full tank.
>> That isn't one of the several reasons. <g> When heating oil prices were
>> following the normal pattern of dropping in the summer, I'd have it filled
>> at the "summer fill" price, then get another ~250 gallons sometime between
>> when the tank was drawn down enough to take it and when it got
>> uncomfortably low. Exactly when depended on my guesstimate on which way
>> the price would go and the weather prediction.
>>
>>> Years ago, I rented a place that had oil heat, and the auto-fill was a
>>> great convenience as far as I was concerned. And if it also means that
>>> you'll spend less on heat this coming winter, well, how much is that
>>> deciding how much and when worth in terms of cold, hard, cash?
>> Auto-fill is not convenient when the furnace goes off Friday evening in
>> below freezing weather (empty tank) and no one responds the message
>> left at the 24-hour number until Monday morning. It's not convenient to
>> plow an extra 150' of drive every time it snows in case the company
>> might decide to deliver oil before the snow melts. And auto-fill is not
>> cheaper if they decide to fill the tank when there is a month's supply
>> left and the price is falling.
>
> Ok, I don't get any of that. I've never had my tank come even close to going
> empty using auto-fill. Also, even if call at 4am (and I have) there is a
> human being to answer the phone and send out a repair man within a few
> minutes. Don't you need to plow the driveway to get in and out yourself? I
> pay a "lower than non-annual pay" rate up front (at least $.50 a gallon). If
> the "regular" oil price drops below that amount (it never, ever has) during
> the year, I get the lower rate on all deliveries after that point. Why on
> earth would I try to ride the rate waves, when it's all done for me? Right
> now the annual price is $4.45/gallon with the "budget" (12 equal payments)
> price is $4.90/gallon, and the "have your tank filled now" price is
> $4.99/gallon. Gee, what do you think I'm going to do? I wish I lived where
> oil was under $4/gallon, but I live in the state with the highest taxes in
> the US (probably on earth).
>
>

I used to have auto-fill, back when the contact said that I got a free
fill if they ever let me run out! Although they never got a free fill
(they came up whenever the road was open ti make sure that I wouldn't
run out), they canceled that provision when the prices went nuts, so I'm
back on "pay as you go". In the old days when prices were low on the
summer that's when I would have the two nearly empty tanks filled, then
top off just before the road closed for the Winter. Now the best time
to buy seems to be "shoulder season", which is about now: After the
summer driving season is over, but before the cold weather really begins.

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 9:53 pm
From: Ann

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:56:54 -0400, h wrote:

>
> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.08.30.00.28.41.788589@epix.net...
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:15:38 +0000, Lou wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2008.08.29.18.13.23.240252@epix.net...
>>>> >> > In article <pan.2008.08.25.16.42.47.313...@epix.net>, Ann
>>>> >> > <nntpm...@epix.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > > What's the current home heating oil price in your area? It's
>>>> >> > > 3.75
>>> in
>>>> >> > > north PA. Glad I didn't panic and prepay; that's 4.70.
>>>> >> > > Undecided
>>>> >> whether
>>>> >> > > I should buy now or bet on it dropping some more.
>>>> >>
>>>> > ???Your pre-pay plan doesn't include an automatic reduction if the
>>>> > price drops? Wow, that sucks. My plan requires an annual, up-front
>>>> > payment to lock in a lower rate than pay-as-you-go. However, if the
>>>> > price of oil drops below the originally reduced price, all future
>>>> > deliveries are calculated on the lower rate, so my money goes
>>>> > further (I have money
>>> left
>>>> > over to be applied to the following year). This is with a mom and
>>>> > pop company in upstate NY.
>>>>
>>>> The company does also have some sort of plan like that, but it's tied
>>>> to auto-fill. For several reasons, I prefer to decide how much oil I
>>>> want, and when.
>>>
>>> I can understand the when, sorta - if you're short of cash today maybe
>>> you
>>> can eke out another week on the oil in your tank. But overall, you're
>>> going to need it when you need it, and how often the tank gets filled
>>> isn't going to change how much you buy - it's not like they could put
>>> another 100 gallons of oil into an already full tank.
>>
>> That isn't one of the several reasons. <g> When heating oil prices
>> were following the normal pattern of dropping in the summer, I'd have it
>> filled at the "summer fill" price, then get another ~250 gallons
>> sometime between when the tank was drawn down enough to take it and when
>> it got uncomfortably low. Exactly when depended on my guesstimate on
>> which way the price would go and the weather prediction.
>>
>>> Years ago, I rented a place that had oil heat, and the auto-fill was a
>>> great convenience as far as I was concerned. And if it also means that
>>> you'll spend less on heat this coming winter, well, how much is that
>>> deciding how much and when worth in terms of cold, hard, cash?
>>
>> Auto-fill is not convenient when the furnace goes off Friday evening in
>> below freezing weather (empty tank) and no one responds the message left
>> at the 24-hour number until Monday morning. It's not convenient to plow
>> an extra 150' of drive every time it snows in case the company might
>> decide to deliver oil before the snow melts. And auto-fill is not
>> cheaper if they decide to fill the tank when there is a month's supply
>> left and the price is falling.
>
> Ok, I don't get any of that. I've never had my tank come even close to
> going empty using auto-fill. Also, even if call at 4am (and I have) there
> is a human being to answer the phone and send out a repair man within a
> few minutes.

And, I didn't suggest that you not elect auto-fill if it works for you.

> Don't you need to plow the driveway to get in and out
> yourself?

No. I keep my vehicle in the garage, which is along the drive between the
house and the road. And since I'm retired, I don't have to get out every
weekday.

> I pay a "lower than non-annual pay" rate up front (at least $.50
> a gallon). If the "regular" oil price drops below that amount (it never,
> ever has) during the year, I get the lower rate on all deliveries after
> that point. Why on earth would I try to ride the rate waves, when it's all
> done for me? Right now the annual price is $4.45/gallon with the "budget"
> (12 equal payments) price is $4.90/gallon, and the "have your tank filled
> now" price is $4.99/gallon. Gee, what do you think I'm going to do? I wish
> I lived where oil was under $4/gallon, but I live in the state with the
> highest taxes in the US (probably on earth).

Again, I didn't take exception to the way you choose to buy your home
heating oil. And if you want to use a budget plan and not get a 10-day
cash discount, that's up to you. I am doubtful that the much higher
market price you quoted is attributable to NYS tax. I'm near the NY/PA
border and do most of my grocery shopping in the Southern Tier. I seldom
see more than a 10-cent per gallon gasoline price differential.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:50 pm
From: "Guv Bob"

Shut up, moron. Go cross-post somewhere else. Dip sh1t.

"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message news:adefef75-95f9-46e4-a828-319503de2efb@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 26, 3:27 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> > On Aug 26, 9:20 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Whew! Won't see many of that bunch at the golf course or tennis club.
> > > Did you notice the black ladies singing, clapping hands, and swaying?
> > > Looked like a frigging revival! Retired schoolmarms, labor union
> > > bohunks, and spics rounded out the spectacle.
> >
> > > ted
> >
> > Though a bit rough, the above captures the essence, no pun intended,
> > of the event.
> >
> > Mitch
>
> And that was just the airport reception area.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:50 pm
From: "Guv Bob"

You stink pea brain. Stop cross-posting.

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message news:SMbtk.10034$4s1.7415@newsfe06.iad...
> RichA wrote:
>
> >Does anyone really think the predominantly white elitists running the
> >thing give a s--- about the lowlife minorities who might have
> >attended? This is why Republicans are better, they don't try to wear
> >the outlandish facade of everyman the Democrats pretend to wear.
> >
> >
> >
> Isn't that exactly why the Republicans work so hard at attracting the
> redneck vote?
>
> As long as they are promised a gun, the rednecks will overlook how the
> Republican elite siphon off the wealth.
>
>

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