Frugal Living: Nov 4, 2008

Tuesday, November 4, 2008

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TOPIC: Sound Insulate my computer?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 11:52 pm
From: E Z Peaces

Jeff wrote:
> MarkPHd21@gmail.com wrote:
>> great ideas all,
>>
>> it's a new computer [very little dust];
>> i don't know if the fans are noisy,
>> or the fact that there are 3 of them [does it matter?]
>
> Over time, the bearings in fans can wear (particularly cheaper sleeve
> bearings) this is a noise different than the sound of air rushing.
>
> Aside from steps to reduce noise at the source, like the fan speed
> control, or possibly ducting, sound transmission is effected by density.
> Lite barriers have little effect compared to heavier ones.
>
> Jeff

It's an overclocked computer, and maybe the builder didn't consider
noise. In that case, easy improvements may be possible.

Fan design can have a big effect on noise. I had a computer that came
with an 80mm, 25cfm intake fan that produced 40dBA. Some owners made
their computers much quieter by replacing this fan with an 80mm Sanyo
fan rated at 23cfm and only 20dBA. That's like somebody whispering five
feet away.

The fan cost $10 or so. Installation was merely a matter of unscrewing
the cover from the computer and releasing some plastic catches.

Another computer had a cover that picked up vibrations from the hard
disk. I quieted that by jamming some spongy material between the frame
and the cover to dampen vibrations.

>>
>> it was over-clocked, which i switched to Auto setting
>> [3.0 now down to 2.6]
>>
>> i'll carefully try Fan options in the Bios,
>> the SpeedFan software
>> [and moving to the closet sounds interesting;
>> i already have a wireless mouse & keyboard]
>>
>> replacing fans/power/case doesn't sound practical
>>
>> thanks a bunch,
>> mark

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 3:30 am
From: clams_casino

dingbatydj@gmail.com wrote:

>On Nov 3, 10:24 pm, Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Nov 3, 11:43 am, theetheridgegr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if anyone has just walked through their house like I have
>>>and noticed all the things that are just clutter. So many things I
>>>have bought that I don't use and don't even have a clue why I bought
>>>them.
>>>
>>>
>>>This really bothered me for a while. I hated to just throw it away.
>>>Nothing was wrong with it. So this is where I discovered something , a
>>>way to get rid of my junk and still make a little money. Of course I
>>>have always loved garage sales but sometimes the weather or time just
>>>doesn't permit me to hold one
>>>
>>>
>>>So I discovered Craigslist. It is a free local listing for Items you
>>>may not want but someone else might. There are alot of people trying
>>>to scam you on Craigslist so make sure you never except anything other
>>>than cash. And be carefule where you meet them. GO to a public place.
>>>
>>>
>>>I solved the problem of my clutter and Junk while making a few bucks
>>>doing it
>>>
>>>
>>>Donna http://www.garagesale-tips.com
>>>
>>>
>>There's also this thing called ebay.
>>
>>
>
>The only problem with ebay is it costs money and craigslist is free
>
>

Craigslist is great for heavy items (items too costly to mail) and/or
items that really need to be observed before buying (especially
electronics), but has a very limited field of potential buyers.

Conversely, eBay will take about 20% of the gross selling price, but it
provides a significantly greater field of potential buyers that
typically results in higher selling prices (usually more than enough to
offset the fees - provided the items are easily mailable).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 12:39 pm
From: BigDog1

On Nov 4, 4:30 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> dingbat...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Nov 3, 10:24 pm, Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Nov 3, 11:43 am, theetheridgegr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>I don't know if anyone has just walked through their house like I have
> >>>and noticed all the things that are just clutter. So many things I
> >>>have bought that I don't use and don't even have a clue why I bought
> >>>them.
>
> >>>This really bothered me for a while. I hated to just throw it away.
> >>>Nothing was wrong with it. So this is where I discovered something , a
> >>>way to get rid of my junk and still make a little money. Of course I
> >>>have always loved garage sales but sometimes the weather or time just
> >>>doesn't permit me to hold one
>
> >>>So I discovered Craigslist. It is a free local listing for Items you
> >>>may not want but someone else might. There are alot of people trying
> >>>to scam you on Craigslist so make sure you never except anything other
> >>>than cash. And be carefule where you meet them. GO to a public place.
>
> >>>I solved the problem of my clutter and Junk while making a few bucks
> >>>doing it
>
> >>>Donna http://www.garagesale-tips.com
>
> >>There's also this thing called ebay.
>
> >The only problem with ebay is it costs money and craigslist is free
>
> Craigslist is great for heavy items (items too costly to mail) and/or
> items that really need to be observed before buying (especially
> electronics), but has a very limited field of potential buyers.
>
> Conversely, eBay will take about 20% of the gross selling price, but it
> provides a significantly greater field of potential buyers that
> typically results in higher selling prices (usually more than enough to
> offset the fees - provided the items are easily mailable).

Correct on both counts.

I've sold some things on Craig's List that aren't easily shipped, but
I'm not real thrilled the process. I always list my prices as firm,
cash only, with a requirement the item be picked up by the buyer.
Every time I'll hear from people who want to negotiate the price, want
me to deliver it, or want to pay with a check or money order (not
likely!). No shows for pickups, and tales of woe to get the price
knocked down once they do show up. I stick to my guns, and have sold
everything, but have had to jump through those hoops at least two or
three times on every listing. I've just about decided the hassle
isn't worth it, and will start donating that stuff to charity for the
tax deduction.

On the other hand I've found eBay to be seamless. I always set a
reasonable reserve, plus that 20% you mentioned. I accept only
PayPal, and ship only via USPS insured Priority Mail to confirmed U.S.
addresses. I also list all sales as final (no buyer's remorse) and
the only warranty I make is that it works when it arrives. So far,
I've sold everything, always for more than the reserve, a couple of
times by quite a bit. I've got nothing but satisfied buyers, and have
yet to have a problem.

If you're selling stuff that's in good condition, is usable for it's
intended purpose, and has enough value that you don't want to just
give it away, eBay is definitely the way to go.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 4:42 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:00:02 GMT, jazzerciser@hotmail.com (-) wrote:

>
>http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5912
>
> Maximize the Racial Divide
>Race; Posted on: 2008-11-01
> [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
>
>
> Win or lose we must hope for the maximum racial voting gap, and a resulting
>racial polarization as clear as the different racial reactions to the verdict
>in the O.J. Simpson murder trial.
>
>Our project, our purpose, our goal and our cause is to save our race. But we
>in the white racial activist community, by ourselves, lack the power to save
>our race � to save it from its dispossession, from the loss of its homelands,
>from the loss of its independence, from its subjugation to alien rule and
>domination, from its reduction to minority status, from its destruction and
>ultimate extinction.
>
>Since it is beyond our power, and beyond our control, to save our race, we
>look to something else beyond us, far greater than us, to help us.
>
>The only human agency we can look for, and hope for, to save us, is the
>existence of something inherent and latent, but presently mostly suppressed or
>inactive, in our race. The existence of such a power is the necessary
>precondition for any possibility of saving our race. Only such a power could
>give us something we could direct, that we could work with, sufficient to save
>our race.
>
>
>Thus everything we hope to achieve is based on the assumption that this power
>does exist. This latent power is an embedded sense of racial group identity
>and loyalty.
>
>This sense of racial group loyalty is not distributed equally throughout all
>our race. It is essentially absent in many while in others it is so strong as
>to already be manifest and active, as in the white activist community. We must
>hope that it would be potentially strong enough in the majority of our race to
>be able to save us.
>
>Ultimately all our hopes for the salvation of our race depend on this � to
>find that, when our backs are to the wall things will change. We have to
>believe that whites are like the lion in the old Disney cartoon Lambert the
>Sheepish Lion. The lion has always acted like a sheep, and always thought it
>was a sheep. But when the moment demands it, he is a lion after all.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g
>
>
>In effect, our hopes are based on the assumption that enough of our race have
>the lion of racial loyalty somewhere inside them, and our mission is to bring
>it to life and direct it.
>
>We look with both hope and despair for signs of this latent racial force that
>could save us. This power is generally so suppressed and hidden that evidence
>for it is usually indirect and circumstantial, often no more than fleeting
>hints. Yet it is the substance behind what Kevin MacDonald has termed
>�implicit whiteness� and what our opponents decry as unconscious racism.
>
>
>News Source: occidental observer
>
>
>
>
>2007-2008 European Americans United.

We have a fine opportunity to increase racial awareness.

ted

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 4:52 am
From: Alric Knebel

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:42:49 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:00:02 GMT, jazzerciser@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>
>>
>>http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5912
>>
>> Maximize the Racial Divide
>>Race; Posted on: 2008-11-01
>> [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
>>
>>
>> Win or lose we must hope for the maximum racial voting gap, and a resulting
>>racial polarization as clear as the different racial reactions to the verdict
>>in the O.J. Simpson murder trial.
>>
>>Our project, our purpose, our goal and our cause is to save our race. But we
>>in the white racial activist community, by ourselves, lack the power to save
>>our race � to save it from its dispossession, from the loss of its homelands,
>>from the loss of its independence, from its subjugation to alien rule and
>>domination, from its reduction to minority status, from its destruction and
>>ultimate extinction.
>>
>>Since it is beyond our power, and beyond our control, to save our race, we
>>look to something else beyond us, far greater than us, to help us.
>>
>>The only human agency we can look for, and hope for, to save us, is the
>>existence of something inherent and latent, but presently mostly suppressed or
>>inactive, in our race. The existence of such a power is the necessary
>>precondition for any possibility of saving our race. Only such a power could
>>give us something we could direct, that we could work with, sufficient to save
>>our race.
>>
>>
>>Thus everything we hope to achieve is based on the assumption that this power
>>does exist. This latent power is an embedded sense of racial group identity
>>and loyalty.
>>
>>This sense of racial group loyalty is not distributed equally throughout all
>>our race. It is essentially absent in many while in others it is so strong as
>>to already be manifest and active, as in the white activist community. We must
>>hope that it would be potentially strong enough in the majority of our race to
>>be able to save us.
>>
>>Ultimately all our hopes for the salvation of our race depend on this � to
>>find that, when our backs are to the wall things will change. We have to
>>believe that whites are like the lion in the old Disney cartoon Lambert the
>>Sheepish Lion. The lion has always acted like a sheep, and always thought it
>>was a sheep. But when the moment demands it, he is a lion after all.
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g
>>
>>
>>In effect, our hopes are based on the assumption that enough of our race have
>>the lion of racial loyalty somewhere inside them, and our mission is to bring
>>it to life and direct it.
>>
>>We look with both hope and despair for signs of this latent racial force that
>>could save us. This power is generally so suppressed and hidden that evidence
>>for it is usually indirect and circumstantial, often no more than fleeting
>>hints. Yet it is the substance behind what Kevin MacDonald has termed
>>�implicit whiteness� and what our opponents decry as unconscious racism.
>>
>>
>>News Source: occidental observer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>2007-2008 European Americans United.
>
>We have a fine opportunity to increase racial awareness.
>
>ted

You know, all you ever do is spread this racial stuff in places nobody
wants to read it. I had to look to see if this is ALL you contribute,
but if you contribute something about movies, it's so infrequent, I
can't find it at this moment.

So -- imagine my sympathetic hand on your shoulder -- I think I'm
going to have to let you go.

*PLONK*

______________________________________________
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 6:55 am
From: moviePig

On Nov 4, 7:42 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:00:02 GMT, jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>
> >http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5912
>
> > Maximize the Racial Divide
> >Race; Posted on: 2008-11-01
> > [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
>
> > Win or lose we must hope for the maximum racial voting gap, and a resulting
> >racial polarization as clear as the different racial reactions to the verdict
> >in the O.J. Simpson murder trial.
>
> >Our project, our purpose, our goal and our cause is to save our race. But we
> >in the white racial activist community, by ourselves, lack the power to save
> >our race — to save it from its dispossession, from the loss of its homelands,
> >from the loss of its independence, from its subjugation to alien rule and
> >domination, from its reduction to minority status, from its destruction and
> >ultimate extinction.
>
> >Since it is beyond our power, and beyond our control, to save our race, we
> >look to something else beyond us, far greater than us, to help us.
>
> >The only human agency we can look for, and hope for, to save us, is the
> >existence of something inherent and latent, but presently mostly suppressed or
> >inactive, in our race. The existence of such a power is the necessary
> >precondition for any possibility of saving our race. Only such a power could
> >give us something we could direct, that we could work with, sufficient to save
> >our race.
>
> >Thus everything we hope to achieve is based on the assumption that this power
> >does exist. This latent power is an embedded sense of racial group identity
> >and loyalty.
>
> >This sense of racial group loyalty is not distributed equally throughout all
> >our race. It is essentially absent in many while in others it is so strong as
> >to already be manifest and active, as in the white activist community. We must
> >hope that it would be potentially strong enough in the majority of our race to
> >be able to save us.
>
> >Ultimately all our hopes for the salvation of our race depend on this — to
> >find that, when our backs are to the wall things will change. We have to
> >believe that whites are like the lion in the old Disney cartoon Lambert the
> >Sheepish Lion. The lion has always acted like a sheep, and always thought it
> >was a sheep. But when the moment demands it, he is a lion after all.
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g
>
> >In effect, our hopes are based on the assumption that enough of our race have
> >the lion of racial loyalty somewhere inside them, and our mission is to bring
> >it to life and direct it.
>
> >We look with both hope and despair for signs of this latent racial force that
> >could save us. This power is generally so suppressed and hidden that evidence
> >for it is usually indirect and circumstantial, often no more than fleeting
> >hints. Yet it is the substance behind what Kevin MacDonald has termed
> >"implicit whiteness" and what our opponents decry as unconscious racism.
>
> >News Source: occidental observer
>
> >2007-2008 European Americans United.
>
> We have a fine opportunity to increase racial awareness.

I think we whites have plenty of awareness of the dangers of black
skin. Can't we move on to the threat posed by freckles?

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 9:37 am
From: Red Cloud

On Nov 4, 6:55 am, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:42 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:00:02 GMT, jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>
> > >http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=5912
>
> > > Maximize the Racial Divide
> > >Race; Posted on: 2008-11-01
> > > [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
>
> > > Win or lose we must hope for the maximum racial voting gap, and a resulting
> > >racial polarization as clear as the different racial reactions to the verdict
> > >in the O.J. Simpson murder trial.
>
> > >Our project, our purpose, our goal and our cause is to save our race. But we
> > >in the white racial activist community, by ourselves, lack the power to save
> > >our race — to save it from its dispossession, from the loss of its homelands,
> > >from the loss of its independence, from its subjugation to alien rule and
> > >domination, from its reduction to minority status, from its destruction and
> > >ultimate extinction.
>
> > >Since it is beyond our power, and beyond our control, to save our race, we
> > >look to something else beyond us, far greater than us, to help us.
>
> > >The only human agency we can look for, and hope for, to save us, is the
> > >existence of something inherent and latent, but presently mostly suppressed or
> > >inactive, in our race. The existence of such a power is the necessary
> > >precondition for any possibility of saving our race. Only such a power could
> > >give us something we could direct, that we could work with, sufficient to save
> > >our race.
>
> > >Thus everything we hope to achieve is based on the assumption that this power
> > >does exist. This latent power is an embedded sense of racial group identity
> > >and loyalty.
>
> > >This sense of racial group loyalty is not distributed equally throughout all
> > >our race. It is essentially absent in many while in others it is so strong as
> > >to already be manifest and active, as in the white activist community. We must
> > >hope that it would be potentially strong enough in the majority of our race to
> > >be able to save us.
>
> > >Ultimately all our hopes for the salvation of our race depend on this — to
> > >find that, when our backs are to the wall things will change. We have to
> > >believe that whites are like the lion in the old Disney cartoon Lambert the
> > >Sheepish Lion. The lion has always acted like a sheep, and always thought it
> > >was a sheep. But when the moment demands it, he is a lion after all.
>
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g
>
> > >In effect, our hopes are based on the assumption that enough of our race have
> > >the lion of racial loyalty somewhere inside them, and our mission is to bring
> > >it to life and direct it.
>
> > >We look with both hope and despair for signs of this latent racial force that
> > >could save us. This power is generally so suppressed and hidden that evidence
> > >for it is usually indirect and circumstantial, often no more than fleeting
> > >hints. Yet it is the substance behind what Kevin MacDonald has termed
> > >"implicit whiteness" and what our opponents decry as unconscious racism.
>
> > >News Source: occidental observer
>
> > >2007-2008 European Americans United.
>
> > We have a fine opportunity to increase racial awareness.
>
> I think we whites have plenty of awareness of the dangers of black
> skin. Can't we move on to the threat posed by freckles?
>
> -

This nation is not found by white. No white people possibly
discover the land
already existed for some other people, culture, langauge they didn't
tie to.
People were already here when European invaded to this land. I would
never
assume this land belonging to white people. They are the invaders from
Europe.
This message applies Mexican too.

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Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 9:02 am
From: "misterfact@yahoo.com"

On Oct 28, 7:09 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <misterf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a45e1f80-9f6a-496b-8e85-47ec830afa1d@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > How to get your money back on most any product that fails just after
> > its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>
> > Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>
> > Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>
> > SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>
> > any compact flourescent light bulb
>
> > digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>
> > SIMPLY:
>
> > 1. Buy the SAME product at any store.
>
> > 2. Take advantage of the store's return policy! Wait two weeks; then
> > put the failed product in the new product's packaging and return it to
> > the store with the new product's sales receipt. Get your money back!
>
> > The more people who do this- the sooner these sloppy manufacturers
> > will make a quality product and give a reasonable warranty! That even
> > goes for the cheap Chinese items at the Dollar Store.
>
> While I suppose that would work, it strikes me as slightly dishonest, and
> even worse, it seems that you'd end up putting yourself on an endless
> treadmill. A better solution would be to buy decent products in the first
> place - even if the initial cost is somewhat higher, the life cycle cost
> would be less.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the suggestion, but get real!

The items are almost always NOT cheap and the only item of its kind in
the store!

If you really think buyers have a choice and you want to CONTRIBUTE to
the subject-tell us where we can buy the quality AMERICAN MADE product
with a good warranty.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 9:10 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 28, 6:55 am, "misterf...@yahoo.com" <misterf...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> How to get your money back on most any product that fails just after
> its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>
> Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>
> Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>
> SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>
> any compact flourescent light bulb
>
> digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>
> SIMPLY:
>
> 1. Buy the SAME product at any store.
>
> 2. Take advantage of the store's return policy! Wait two weeks; then
> put the failed product in the new product's packaging and return it to
> the store with the new product's sales receipt. Get your money back!
>
> The more people who do this- the sooner these sloppy manufacturers
> will make a quality product and give a reasonable warranty! That even
> goes for the cheap Chinese items at the Dollar Store.

In theory that's sort of true. However if you didn't care for the
product that fails you still have it; the title should have been
changed to "how to do a return a failed product past the warranty
time". You're still out the money you paid.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 9:14 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 28, 11:34 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I in fact got the use of a very decent Logitech keyboard and mouse
> for 5 years for the cost of that money for that time just by choosing
> a mouse that they didnt continue to produce, claiming under warranty
> just before the warranty expired and since they couldnt replace the
> mouse with another with the same button collection etc, they had to
> give me a full refund of the original purchase price instead.
>
> misterf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > How to get your money back on most any product that fails just after
> > its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>
> > Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>
> > Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>
> > SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>
> > any compact flourescent light bulb
>
> > digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>
> > SIMPLY:
>
> > 1. Buy the SAME product at any store.
>
> > 2. Take advantage of the store's return policy! Wait two weeks; then
> > put the failed product in the new product's packaging and return it to
> > the store with the new product's sales receipt. Get your money back!
>
> > The more people who do this- the sooner these sloppy manufacturers
> > will make a quality product and give a reasonable warranty! That even
> > goes for the cheap Chinese items at the Dollar Store.

Along those lines I always enjoyed the hard drive failure (3 year
warranty) that happened just shortly before that 3 years was up since
the company would no longer have that 20GB HD, you get a considerably
bigger one to replace it.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 10:05 am
From: "Lou"

<misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:98d5158e-0dca-4970-993c-1dbf60b4e304@b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 28, 7:09 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <misterf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a45e1f80-9f6a-496b-8e85-47ec830afa1d@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > How to get your money back on most any product that fails just after
> > its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>
> > Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>
> > Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>
> > SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>
> > any compact flourescent light bulb
>
> > digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>
> > SIMPLY:
>
> > 1. Buy the SAME product at any store.
>
> > 2. Take advantage of the store's return policy! Wait two weeks; then
> > put the failed product in the new product's packaging and return it to
> > the store with the new product's sales receipt. Get your money back!
>
> > The more people who do this- the sooner these sloppy manufacturers
> > will make a quality product and give a reasonable warranty! That even
> > goes for the cheap Chinese items at the Dollar Store.
>
> While I suppose that would work, it strikes me as slightly dishonest, and
> even worse, it seems that you'd end up putting yourself on an endless
> treadmill. A better solution would be to buy decent products in the first
> place - even if the initial cost is somewhat higher, the life cycle cost
> would be less.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>>Thanks for the suggestion, but get real!
>>
>>The items are almost always NOT cheap and the only item of its kind in
>>the store!
>>
>>If you really think buyers have a choice and you want to CONTRIBUTE to
>>the subject-tell us where we can buy the quality AMERICAN MADE product
>>with a good warranty.

I didn't say anything about American made vs foreign products, I said buy
better quality products. I don't buy much in the way of the items on the
example list, but my digital camera is several years old and working same as
always, my computer older yet and still going strong, ditto for small
household appliances like microwave, food chopper, etc. I shop for price,
like everyone else, but price isn't just the initial cost, and I don't see
any point in buying something so flimsily made that it won't last 6 months.
Some things, like a cigarette lighter plug-in cell phone charger, seem
pointless to me regardless of cost or quality on a couple of counts - I can
charge my phone at home every day if I need to, and my car doesn't have a
cigarette lighter.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 12:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 11:34 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I in fact got the use of a very decent Logitech keyboard and mouse
>> for 5 years for the cost of that money for that time just by choosing
>> a mouse that they didnt continue to produce, claiming under warranty
>> just before the warranty expired and since they couldnt replace the
>> mouse with another with the same button collection etc, they had to
>> give me a full refund of the original purchase price instead.
>>
>> misterf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> How to get your money back on most any product that fails just after
>>> its flimsy, short-term, worthless warranty expires:
>>
>>> Good examples of junk products that fail in less than 180 days:
>>
>>> Belkin (cigarette lighter plug-in) cell phone chargers
>>
>>> SONY microcassette tape-recorders
>>
>>> any compact flourescent light bulb
>>
>>> digital cameras, electronics equipment, etc
>>
>>> SIMPLY:
>>
>>> 1. Buy the SAME product at any store.
>>
>>> 2. Take advantage of the store's return policy! Wait two weeks; then
>>> put the failed product in the new product's packaging and return it
>>> to the store with the new product's sales receipt. Get your money
>>> back!
>>
>>> The more people who do this- the sooner these sloppy manufacturers
>>> will make a quality product and give a reasonable warranty! That
>>> even goes for the cheap Chinese items at the Dollar Store.
>
> Along those lines I always enjoyed the hard drive failure (3 year
> warranty) that happened just shortly before that 3 years was up since
> the company would no longer have that 20GB HD, you get a considerably
> bigger one to replace it.

And if it wont fail when required, it isnt hard to kill it undetectably.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 12:56 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
>
>
>> As to "can't do the testing and can't write a prescription" we now
>> have this wonderful invention known as the internet. Except for
>> schedule 2 and 3 controlled substances (mainly addictive drugs)
>> almost all the rest are available without a prescription from your
>> favorite Indian pharmacy and at a much lower cost too. I haven't
>> checked on CBC or similar but anything that is testable from saliva
>> or urine is also available over the internet, legally in most states too.

> Since it seems that no one can use a search engine,

Or they have enough of a clue to realise that its a tad harder
to extract enough blood than it is with saliva or urine.

> http://www.personalabs.com/index.php

> does no-prescription-required blood tests.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 1:16 pm
From: BigDog1

On Oct 30, 6:39 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 11:37 am, lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > A house on my (normally safe) street just got robbed in broad
> > daylight. The sad thing is, even if I'd been there and seen them doing
> > it, chances are I wouldn't have suspected anything, since I didn't
> > know the owners - or whether they were moving out or selling
> > anything!
>
> > Please consider telling all your neighbors to call the police if they
> > ever see anything like that at your house, unless you TOLD them all in
> > advance exactly WHEN the movers would be there. Of course, they're
> > more likely to say yes and mean it if you promise to do the same for
> > them.
>
> > Lenona.
>
> That might work in "some" neighborhoods, but in others these same
> neighbors might be the ones doing the break in.

Yup. Somebody wants to burglarize my house? Let'em come. That's why
I pay all that money to my insurance company every year. And if I'm
home when they come in, or I get home while they're still there, we're
gonna be all over the news for a couple of days.

I own very "things" that have such sentimental value they can't be
replaced. Those few items fit in my safe deposit box, which is where
they are, along with all of my family's important papers (social
security cards, birth and death certificates, military records,
insurance policies, household inventory, etc, et al). Family photos
and historical documents have been scanned and are stored with an
online storage service, as well as on discs in the aforementioned safe
deposit box. Wouldn't want to lose the originals, but if I do at least
I have the copies.

Truth is, I've got a few things at home that I wish someone would
steal. I'd rather have the money. Any takers?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 4 2008 3:07 pm
From: "ares"

Ever notice that pomegranate tastes similar to cranberry?
Wonder if pure cranberry is just too sour.
ares

>>>> I almost bought cranberry juice blend the other day. It was "Ocean
>>>> Spray" brand in the usual packaging except I noticed it said
>>>> "Cranjuice" instead of "Cranberry" as I was putting it in the cart. It
>>>> was only 15% juice and a blend of cheaper juice and cranberry juice.
>>>
>>> Please keep in mind that "100% juice" "cranberry juice (blend or
>>> cocktail or whatever)" will have cranberry juice not being a majority of
>>> the product.
>>
>> Not from my experience, typically cranberry juice is sold as 27% juice
>> with cranberries being the only fruit used. The new stuff I almost bought
>> was only 15% juice and it had cranberries and other juice.
>>
>> 100% cranberry juice isn't as commonly sold likely because it is so tart
>> as you said and you usually don't drink it straight.
>
> I've nearly been mislead myself. I put back my 27% cranberry juice when I
> spotted the "Cranberry 100% Juice" (or something like that). Careful
> examination, lead to the discovery that it was not 100% cranberry, but
> something like 17% cranberry and assorted other juices.
>
> A new trick, all the time.
>
> Lets face it, nobody drinks cranberry for the flavor!
>
> Jeff
>
>>
>> I usually buy the 100% cranberry only juice if I see it but they only had
>> the other stuff including the misleading alternate cheaper product (but
>> not lower price) packaged to look the same.
>>
>>
>>> Also keep in mind that "100% juice" mixed-juice products often have
>>> much of the juice content being higher-sugar-lower-nutrition items that
>>> I would
>>> call "junk juice", as in I would call most of that "minor improvement
>>> over Kool-Aid", with the fruit that such "junk juice major ingredient is
>>> of" (my wording) being either apple or white grape. My experience
>>> suggests to me that "100% juice products" with "cranberry juice" are
>>> mostly "junk juice".
>>> It appears to me that "100% cranberry juice" is a very sour-tart
>>> product
>>> comparable to either lime or lemon juice in strong-tartly-sourness and
>>> also in cost.
>>>
>>> And "cranberry juice product" (my wording/phrasing) with lack of "100%
>>> juice", especially if such lack of "100% juice" is accompanied by
>>> presence of "juice cocktail", then the product can easily be something
>>> that I would describe "in my own words as" "25% juice 75% Kool-Aid".
>>> Along with some significant chance that much of the actual juice content
>>> is from something other than cranberries.
>>>
>>> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>>

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TOPIC: Maximizing Welfare
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 11:29 pm
From: Ken Lay

In article <4amrg4d6ijbrfdatb4a8eokane52o7nu27@4ax.com>,
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

> One more time: keeping some of your own money is completely different
> from being handed a share of someone else's money.

Not so much when others are forced to pay your way.
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 9:45 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 28, 8:59 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Marsha" <m...@xeb.net> wrote in messagenews:ge5iha$5el$1@news.datemas.de...
> > Bruce C. Miller wrote:
>
> >> What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
> >> Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
> >> is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
> >> or any red tape they put you through to get it.
>
> >> Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
> >> benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
>
> >> Thanks for any info.
>
> > If you wait until Obama gets elected, anyone will be able to collect for any
> > reason in any state for an unlimited amount of time.
>
> It is amazing, the lies that the republican voters will swallow. You just make
> things up and state them as fact. Over and over. As if if you repeat them
> enough, they will become real.

You mean like this G.W. Bush quote from 2005? "See, in my line of
work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for
the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

From: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-propaganda.htm

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 9:51 am
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 1, 5:31 pm, "Bruce C. Miller" <bm3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 9:44 am, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bruce C. Miller wrote:
> > > What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
> > > Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
> > > is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
> > > or any red tape they put you through to get it.
>
> > > Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
> > > benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
>
> > > Thanks for any info.
>
> > It sounds like you may be singing the loser's anthem before the game
> > even starts. Perhaps more facts would allow people to offer more
> > helpful ideas. Are you disabled, lazy, alien or whatever? Each
> > situation could point to different answers. Of course, we know you are
> > asking for a friend.
>
> No, not disabled. I'm just seeing what my options are, and how viable
> an option going on welfare is as opposed to working.
>
> There's a lot of overhead involved in having a job. Most people don't
> factor this in as debits against their income, not to mention the time
> and mental costs of working. I suspect if most people really thought
> about it, they would realize how little they're actually left with at
> the end of the day. Cashing a welfare check, on the other hand, is
> 100% profit (or almost, like in the case where you have to pretend to
> be looking for a job).

Why not have an accident that causes a major disability? That way
you'll collect a bigger check and won't have the automatic "stigma" of
welfare. Or you could just get one of those cardboard signs that says
"homeless/hungry" and stake your claim on a busy high-end neighborhood
intersection. From what I've seen in various news stories some of
those guys take in hundreds a day. Most goes into their arm of
course.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 5:16 am
From: Jeff

MarkPHd21@gmail.com wrote:
> great ideas all,
>
> it's a new computer [very little dust];
> i don't know if the fans are noisy,
> or the fact that there are 3 of them [does it matter?]

Over time, the bearings in fans can wear (particularly cheaper sleeve
bearings) this is a noise different than the sound of air rushing.

Aside from steps to reduce noise at the source, like the fan speed
control, or possibly ducting, sound transmission is effected by density.
Lite barriers have little effect compared to heavier ones.

Jeff
>
> it was over-clocked, which i switched to Auto setting
> [3.0 now down to 2.6]
>
> i'll carefully try Fan options in the Bios,
> the SpeedFan software
> [and moving to the closet sounds interesting;
> i already have a wireless mouse & keyboard]
>
> replacing fans/power/case doesn't sound practical
>
> thanks a bunch,
> mark

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 11:52 pm
From: E Z Peaces

It's an overclocked computer, and maybe the builder didn't consider
noise. In that case, easy improvements may be possible.

The fan cost $10 or so. Installation was merely a matter of unscrewing
the cover from the computer and releasing some plastic catches.

Another computer had a cover that picked up vibrations from the hard
disk. I quieted that by jamming some spongy material between the frame
and the cover to dampen vibrations.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 7:36 am
From: madhurimaniknepal

Send free sms & save money. Sending bulk free sms can be highly useful
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 8:18 pm
From: Zee

On Nov 3, 11:36 pm, madhurimaniknepal <madhurimanikne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Send free sms & save money. Sending bulk free sms can be highly useful
> in your business and earning. You can send free bulk sms using bulk
> sms gateways. You can also use this facility in sending greetings to
> your friends. Please visit to send free sms detailshttp://free-bulk-sms-message-gateways.blogspot.com/

Is this spam? I don't see any ways to send free sms on the link you
provided.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:33 pm
From: Zorastro@gmail.com

http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/

Clayton, the largest manufacturer of manufactured homes in the U.S.,
has introduced the first green manufactured home by a major
manufacturer in the U.S. They haven't priced it, but hopefully it will
be more affordable than green prefabs and designs by others in the
past.

The "i-house" is a modernist design which features bamboo floors,
point-of-use hot water, solar panel option, a roof designed for water
catchment, and a unique separate, detached second bedroom/bath unit.

The "i-house" was introduced at their show in Knoxville, TN, at the
end of Oct. 2008.

I am going to be blogging this house (link above), following articles
and developments in Clayton's entrance into "green" building. I'm not
connected to the company in any way.

I ask the question, will it be Clayton's Prius, or Edsel?

If you are interested in this sort of thing, please visit my blog page
and comment on what you think of their rad design.

Thank you.

i-house i-home ihouse ihome (this is just for search purposes)

http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 10:51 pm
From: "Malcolm \"Mal\" Reynolds"

Zorastro@gmail.com wrote in news:89b530a8-0f81-4600-ac50-
8d98abe2314f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

> http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/
>
> Clayton, the largest manufacturer of manufactured homes in the U.S.,
> has introduced the first green manufactured home by a major
> manufacturer in the U.S. They haven't priced it, but hopefully it will
> be more affordable than green prefabs and designs by others in the
> past.
>
> The "i-house" is a modernist design which features bamboo floors,
> point-of-use hot water, solar panel option, a roof designed for water
> catchment, and a unique separate, detached second bedroom/bath unit.
>
> The "i-house" was introduced at their show in Knoxville, TN, at the
> end of Oct. 2008.
>
> I am going to be blogging this house (link above), following articles
> and developments in Clayton's entrance into "green" building. I'm not
> connected to the company in any way.
>
> I ask the question, will it be Clayton's Prius, or Edsel?
>
> If you are interested in this sort of thing, please visit my blog page
> and comment on what you think of their rad design.
>
> Thank you.
>
> i-house i-home ihouse ihome (this is just for search purposes)
>
> http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/
>

If by first you mean something else, I guess you are correct. Here are
some others that predate your "first"

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innovative green pre-fab homes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYXWxAtZwrI

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TOPIC: Five Homeless People Found Dead, Apparently Murdered
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f38cdd47eb784c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 1:57 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Nov 2, 6:59 pm, chriseric...@hotmail.com wrote:
> 11/02/08...LONG BEACH -- Police say five homeless people were found
> dead today, apparently murdered, in an encampment near freeway ramps
> in Long Beach.
>
Were they lost?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 2:35 pm
From: Wilma6116@gmail.com

On Nov 2, 5:28 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
> chriseric...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 11/02/08...LONG BEACH -- Police say five homeless people were found
> > dead today, apparently murdered, in an encampment near freeway ramps
> > in Long Beach.
>
> > Read More:
>
> >http://reddingloavesandfishes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1115.0
>
> Is this supposed to be some sort of frugal urban renewal?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> ***********************************************
> "A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign
> that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki

I think the moral of the story is don't skimp on housing. Location
location location.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 3:41 pm
From: terryc

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:37:06 -0700, lenona321 wrote:

> A house on my (normally safe) street just got robbed in broad daylight.
> The sad thing is, even if I'd been there and seen them doing it, chances
> are I wouldn't have suspected anything, since I didn't know the owners -
> or whether they were moving out or selling anything!

Lol, last time that happened here, moving van drew up nex door, I rang the
home and she answered that everything was okay. When he came home, she
and a bit of stuff had vanished. Shrug.

But yes, we do wach a little bit of what is happening in the street and
do at east have a little idea of who is moving or selling.

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TOPIC: Cork hard to come by on wine bottles?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b0408d66c4c1ad4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 4:29 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <834192f1-4fc2-4ef7-96b2-4f70e71751c9@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<websurf1@cox.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>There are some times where the screw caps are always better:
>In a canoe on a calm river, with a sweetie in the bow...
>On a hillside in the cool of the evening, with a picnic basket and a
>blanket to watch the stars come out...
>An impromptu campground in the wide open desert...
>You get the idea.
>All is well, until he says, "Where the bloody heck is the
>corkscrew!!??"

>I've had to dig out a cork with a nail clippers. Kinda slows down the
>moment, eh?

Use a stick/screwdriver or similar item and a rock to drive the cork
into the bottle. Much faster, then you have to finish the bottle...

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

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TOPIC: Skype higher than onesuite.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7af523d960b00177?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 7:17 pm
From: Zee

On Nov 1, 12:58 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 6:17 pm, DoctorTime <doctor...@kamaloca.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I was fairly impressed with Skype - until I compared their prices with
> > onesuite.com.
> > I already have been using onesuite.com and been happy with the service
> > but people kept telling me how cheap and great skype.com was and I
> > tried it at someone else's home and it seemed fine, quality wise.
>
> > So I went out and bought a headset/microphone for my computer and then
> > as I was signing up for skype I began to look at the rates.
>
> > What I found out is that in almost every case, onesuite.com is cheaper
> > than skype!
>
> > For domestic USA to domestic USA phones (not skype to skype but skype
> > to phone), skype is .001 cheaper than onesuite.
>
> > But for calls to foreign countries, onesuite is cheaper in most or at
> > least many cases.
>
> > So before you get hooked into the skype hype, try onesuite. With
> > onesuite you don't have to go out and buy a mic/headset.
>
> > *I do not work for onesuite and have NO personal gain from posting
> > this, I do so only as a public service.
>
> > I have not investigated other aspects of skype such as their message
> > service and so forth so maybe with other aspects of their service it
> > is still as good or better of a deal then onesuite. But for just the
> > price of calling long distance, it seems to me onesuite wins out.
>
> Does onesuite have FREE PC calls overseas?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Onesuite has a voip service with or without an incoming phone number.
If you will just use the voip service for outgoing calls then you
don't need to sign up for their SuiteAdvantage feature but if you need
a virtual phone number then it will cost you $2.95 a month.

Check the difference here
http://www.onesuite.com/access_VOIP.asp
http://www.onesuite.com/products_Broadband_Main.asp

So a Onesuite to Onesuite call is always free. It's either you use it
on softphone (SJ phones and X-lite are the 2 most popular free
softphones) or set it up on an ATA device so that you can use it even
without turning your PC on.

I agree that Onesuite's prepaid phone card service is cheaper than
Skype on overseas calls and Onesuite voip rates are even cheaper in
some countries.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 8:24 pm
From: Zee

On Nov 3, 11:43 am, theetheridgegr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't know if anyone has just walked through their house like I have
> and noticed all the things that are just clutter. So many things I
> have bought that I don't use and don't even have a clue why I bought
> them.
>
> This really bothered me for a while. I hated to just throw it away.
> Nothing was wrong with it. So this is where I discovered something , a
> way to get rid of my junk and still make a little money. Of course I
> have always loved garage sales but sometimes the weather or time just
> doesn't permit me to hold one
>
> So I discovered Craigslist. It is a free local listing for Items you
> may not want but someone else might. There are alot of people trying
> to scam you on Craigslist so make sure you never except anything other
> than cash. And be carefule where you meet them. GO to a public place.
>
> I solved the problem of my clutter and Junk while making a few bucks
> doing it
>
> Donna http://www.garagesale-tips.com

There's also this thing called ebay.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 8:42 pm
From: dingbatydj@gmail.com

On Nov 3, 10:24 pm, Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 11:43 am, theetheridgegr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know if anyone has just walked through their house like I have
> > and noticed all the things that are just clutter. So many things I
> > have bought that I don't use and don't even have a clue why I bought
> > them.
>
> > This really bothered me for a while. I hated to just throw it away.
> > Nothing was wrong with it. So this is where I discovered something , a
> > way to get rid of my junk and still make a little money. Of course I
> > have always loved garage sales but sometimes the weather or time just
> > doesn't permit me to hold one
>
> > So I discovered Craigslist. It is a free local listing for Items you
> > may not want but someone else might. There are alot of people trying
> > to scam you on Craigslist so make sure you never except anything other
> > than cash. And be carefule where you meet them. GO to a public place.
>
> > I solved the problem of my clutter and Junk while making a few bucks
> > doing it
>
> > Donna http://www.garagesale-tips.com
>
> There's also this thing called ebay.

The only problem with ebay is it costs money and craigslist is free

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TOPIC: Do It Yourself Doctoring – Wish List
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7eaf17d07ad11e9c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 9:10 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:

>As to "can't do the testing and can't write a prescription" we now
>have this wonderful invention known as the internet. Except for
>schedule 2 and 3 controlled substances (mainly addictive drugs) almost
>all the rest are available without a prescription from your favorite
>Indian pharmacy and at a much lower cost too. I haven't checked on CBC
>or similar but anything that is testable from saliva or urine is also
>available over the internet, legally in most states too.

Since it seems that no one can use a search engine,

http://www.personalabs.com/index.php

does no-prescription-required blood tests.