Thursday, November 8, 2007

24 new messages in 9 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
* How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a0ee7a8600425be?hl=en
* US-made pizza recalled due to E. coli; maybe China should boycott all US-
made pizzas - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9884cdeb97cd8332?hl=en
* Seven Deadly Sins of Holidays - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/94a8042cb98c2e86?hl=en
* OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me - 12 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7247c2fcfaba68a4?hl=en
* vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4422c2827943bde?hl=en
* action against Argos on faulty goods - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c66ea2e96d149d7?hl=en
* CFL's - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dc1b4520afebf90a?hl=en
* Special Offer : Indonesia Rattan & Teak Furniture - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b92d7bed87e1fc2e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 3:22 pm
From: Bill Rider


Chloe wrote:
> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
> news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of North
>>> Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who used
>>> electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk of cancer
>>> as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric blankets.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such studies,
>> but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he said, "I hate to
>> give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that it needs to evolve."
>> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html
>
> I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently what it
> *doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers, or it would
> just say so.
>
>
The above link shows how it works. Savitz studied 138,905 utility
workers, exposed to high levels of EMFs up on power poles. 151 died of
brain cancer. Savitz and Dana Loomis published a paper saying this
meant utility workers were 2.6 times more likely than the general
population to die of brain cancer.

Researcher Philip Cole said hold on, from a control group of 138,905
from general population, one would have expected more, 159, to die of
brain cancer. Savitz said utility workers are so much healthier than
the general population that he would have expected only 58 to die of
brain cancer.

Hmmm... it sounds as if exposure to high levels of EMFs protects a
person from most diseases, but there's not much reduction in brain
cancer. It's quite a jump to say it causes brain cancer.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Bill Rider <please@nospa.mnet> wrote:
> Chloe wrote:
>> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
>> news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University
>>>> of North Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman
>>>> who used electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased
>>>> risk of cancer as compared to children whose mothers didn't use
>>>> electric blankets.
>>> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such
>>> studies, but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he
>>> said, "I hate to give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that
>>> it needs to evolve."
>>> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html
>>
>> I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently
>> what it *doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers,
>> or it would just say so.
>>
>>
> The above link shows how it works. Savitz studied 138,905 utility
> workers, exposed to high levels of EMFs up on power poles. 151 died
> of brain cancer. Savitz and Dana Loomis published a paper saying this
> meant utility workers were 2.6 times more likely than the general
> population to die of brain cancer.
>
> Researcher Philip Cole said hold on, from a control group of 138,905
> from general population, one would have expected more, 159, to die of
> brain cancer. Savitz said utility workers are so much healthier than
> the general population that he would have expected only 58 to die of
> brain cancer.

> Hmmm... it sounds as if exposure to high levels of EMFs protects a person from most diseases,

Nope, that utility workers are nothing like average health wise
quite separately from their exposure to power line fields.

> but there's not much reduction in brain cancer. It's quite a jump to say it causes brain cancer.

Yep, not a shred of evidence that it does. And it would require a matched
group of individuals on health and sex etc to be say anything useful brain
cancer incidence wise, and it would be quite difficult to find a matched
group that werent exposed to other possibilitys like cellphones etc too.



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TOPIC: How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 3:34 pm
From: Joe


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TOPIC: US-made pizza recalled due to E. coli; maybe China should boycott all
US-made pizzas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9884cdeb97cd8332?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 3:58 pm
From: William Souden


Rod Speed wrote:
> Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be able to use
>>> groups.google to find plenty of examples where I have said
>>> nothing of the kind, if someone was actually stupid enough to
>>> lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, fuckwit child.
>
>> Okay, it's impossible to have a conversation with
>> someone who dances down both sides of the aisles...troll.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag, fuckwit pathological liar.
>
>
Off your meds again,welfare boy? This flushing bot is sure to follow.


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TOPIC: Seven Deadly Sins of Holidays
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/94a8042cb98c2e86?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:06 pm
From: Jamie


Here's what I could come up with:

Gluttony: food at holiday time--enough said.

Greed: All the presents we want and buy--enough said.

Sloth: putting off buying presents or getting everyone a gift card.

Envy: seeing another person's present and wishing you had gotten it
yourself.

I couldn't come up with one for Lust, Anger or Pride--any suugestions?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:18 pm
From: "Daniel T."


Jamie <jannghi@ihollister.net> wrote:

> Here's what I could come up with:
>
> Gluttony: food at holiday time--enough said.
>
> Greed: All the presents we want and buy--enough said.
>
> Sloth: putting off buying presents or getting everyone a gift card.
>
> Envy: seeing another person's present and wishing you had gotten it
> yourself.
>
> I couldn't come up with one for Lust, Anger or Pride--any suugestions?

Lust, the mistletoe at the office party.
Anger, fighting for parking spaces at the mall.
Pride, is when you brag about how much you spent on present.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:56 pm
From: Jamie


Lust: the mistletoe at the office party.
-Does anyone have this at their office party? I've never had it at
any
of mine. I guess you could also say you lust after materail goods as
presents?

Anger: fighting for parking spaces at the mall.
-Wow, I didn't even think of that. One reason I'm trying to avoid
putting off shopping until December.

Pride: when you brag about how much you spent on present.
-Interesting choice. I guess I'm headed that way by trying to get
stuff at my work this weekend with the special 20% employee discount
our store is having this weekend. Unfortunately, I cant seem to find
something for everyone I need to shop for at my store.


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TOPIC: OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:08 pm
From: Christopher Helms


On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> > > Notice something?
>
> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> > was correct.
>
> WTF's an FMA


I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
text messaging.


== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:34 pm
From: "Buddy"


And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
Eggs.

--
Buddy
from Brooklyn

"Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
- Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004
"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194566938.331426.297850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>>
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>>
>> > > Notice something?
>>
>> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
>> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
>> > was correct.
>>
>> WTF's an FMA
>
>
> I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
> text messaging.
>
>


== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 5:46 pm
From: Jamie


On Nov 8, 5:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> Eggs.

Don't forget the Valentines. I expect Home Good (where I work) to
start getting Valentine stuff in December once the Christmas item
shipments start dwindling. Our Halloween stuff came the last week of
June and Christmas stuff came not too long after and is still coming.
A few harvest items came and are still in the store. We got some
nutcrackers that seem more like something for St. Patrick's Day (they
wear green and are decorated with shamrocks) and that's not even until
March! It's only two weeks until Thanksgiving. Yet I'm planing to
get Christmas presents before this month is over to avoid the
stressful December rushes in stores. And with the special 20%
employee discount this weekend (our employee discount is normally 10%)
how can I resist trying to find a few presents? But I don't want to
get too greedy about this, and unfortunately there isn't something for
everyone I need to get stuff for at my store.

There are no sales at the store where I work, but merchandise gets
marked down after a few months. since there are no sales, we don't
expect to have a big crowd the day after Thanksgiving. it wasn't
that busy last year on that date. And we're across the street from
Wal-Mart, which no doubt was busy that day last year and again this
year.

Jamie "expecting it again" Ghione

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 6:41 pm
From: Steven


On Nov 8, 6:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> Eggs.
>
> --
> Buddy
> from Brooklyn
>
> "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
> accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
> identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
> a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
> revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
> maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
> - Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194566938.331426.297850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> >> > > Notice something?
>
> >> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> >> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> >> > was correct.
>
> >> WTF's an FMA
>
> > I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
> > text messaging.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Buy tubed radios early or they won't be Christmas gifts but birthday
gifts instead!

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 6:43 pm
From: Steven


On Nov 8, 6:46 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 5:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> > we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> > Eggs.
>
> Don't forget the Valentines. I expect Home Good (where I work) to
> start getting Valentine stuff in December once the Christmas item
> shipments start dwindling. Our Halloween stuff came the last week of
> June and Christmas stuff came not too long after and is still coming.
> A few harvest items came and are still in the store. We got some
> nutcrackers that seem more like something for St. Patrick's Day (they
> wear green and are decorated with shamrocks) and that's not even until
> March! It's only two weeks until Thanksgiving. Yet I'm planing to
> get Christmas presents before this month is over to avoid the
> stressful December rushes in stores. And with the special 20%
> employee discount this weekend (our employee discount is normally 10%)
> how can I resist trying to find a few presents? But I don't want to
> get too greedy about this, and unfortunately there isn't something for
> everyone I need to get stuff for at my store.
>
> There are no sales at the store where I work, but merchandise gets
> marked down after a few months. since there are no sales, we don't
> expect to have a big crowd the day after Thanksgiving. it wasn't
> that busy last year on that date. And we're across the street from
> Wal-Mart, which no doubt was busy that day last year and again this
> year.
>
> Jamie "expecting it again" Ghione

If you celebrate being free of the EX, no shopping needed.

Probably some decent alcohol the first day, but then it's low-rent.

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 7:02 pm
From: davefromhome

Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.

Dave


On Nov 8, 8:34 pm, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> And shit! It aint even Thanksgiving yet. What's with the Xmas stuff? if
> we're gonna start things this early i guess it's time to hide the Easter
> Eggs.
>
> --
> Buddy
> from Brooklyn
>
> "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
> accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
> identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
> a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
> revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
> maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
> - Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004"Christopher Helms" <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194566938.331426.297850@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 4:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> >> > > Notice something?
>
> >> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> >> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> >> > was correct.
>
> >> WTF's an FMA
>
> > I have no idea. Maybe it's something that crept in from the world of
> > text messaging.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 7:37 pm
From: Jamie


On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.

What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
it's too soon after Christmas.

Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:17 pm
From: Steven


On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
> Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione

Certainly you can combine it with the MLK Human Rights Celebration?

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:21 pm
From: Steven


On Nov 8, 9:17 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> > What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> > you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
> > Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> > it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> > Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione
>
> Certainly you can combine it with the MLK Human Rights Celebration?

Did you place in the Halloween costume contest? If you do say no,
don't ever sweat it...there's always a devil costume with bare cheeks
and three breasts there to beat you (this is a true story).

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:22 pm
From: cathy


On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:38:56 -0800, Steven
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>>
>> > Notice something?
>>
>> Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
>> the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
>> was correct.
>
>WTF's an FMA
FMA=full metal alchemist. it's some anime thing.

URBANDICTIONARY.COM is your friend

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:25 pm
From: Steven


On Nov 8, 9:22 pm, cathy <cwell...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:38:56 -0800, Steven
>
> <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> >> > Notice something?
>
> >> Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> >> the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> >> was correct.
>
> >WTF's an FMA
>
> FMA=full metal alchemist. it's some anime thing.
>
> URBANDICTIONARY.COM is your friend

It had better be teh shit cuz Google won't hookup for the evening, see?

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:27 pm
From: Jamie


On Nov 8, 8:21 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 9:17 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 8, 7:02 pm, davefromhome <dvdspie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey man I am already done with Xmas prep and I am on to easter.
>
> > > What? No Valentines? And no green for St. Patrick's Day? I hope
> > > you don't get pinched or even threatened with a pinch. Never mind New
> > > Years, I can't even have a party for my birthday (January 11) since
> > > it's too soon after Christmas.
>
> > > Jamie "a mini-Scrooge?" Ghione
>
> > Certainly you can combine it with the MLK Human Rights Celebration?
>
> Did you place in the Halloween costume contest? If you do say no,
> don't ever sweat it...there's always a devil costume with bare cheeks
> and three breasts there to beat you (this is a true story).
No, I never got to make that costume. I wasn't happy about it and was
ready to resort to nothing. But I did do something else. I was
afraid I would not ever want to do the seven deadly sisn aagain, but
decided to try again. Will get started early next year.

Jamie "will be working piece by piece next year" Ghione


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:21 pm
From: "augusto321@hotmail.com"

> I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.
>
> "We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
> performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
> readers give them a miss."
>
> I don't want to post the whole report up, that'd be a bit of a copyright
> violation.
>
> Andy

Which are the best 3 cylinder choices? ;)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:07 pm
From: Owain


Steve wrote:
> Miele. Their cheap ones are almost as good as their very expensive ones...

Since when have Miele done cheap anything?

(I don't mean the TCO as calculated by Hall's Law)

Owain


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 4:26 pm
From: rainandsnow


we are the robots wrote:
> johngood_____ wrote:
> <snip>
> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and haven't
> got the receipt.
> Works every time!


But that is lying.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 6:53 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In article <1194436449.314262.242140@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jason.mangiafico@verizon.net wrote:

>quoting:
>> In article <slrnfiqg1l.8tm....@manx.misty.com>, Don Klipstein wrote:
>> > Sorry, mostLEDlights on the market now are less efficient than
>> >the vast majority of CFLs. Most whiteLEDlights also have an icy
>> >cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.
>> > - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>>
>> Just to clarify, I was talking about 120V screw-base lights.
>>
>> I am aware of a few higher endLEDflashlights and a coupleLEDwork
>> lights with LEDs that havefluorescent-like efficiency. None of these has
>> been around long. I am anLEDnut and I first got my hands on LEDs withfluorescent-like efficiency in April 2006. One of these has
>> warmer-than-usual-white-LEDcolor, but is still "cool white".
>
>
>I see many people believe advertising that LED are the most/more
>efficient. Usually it is downright wrong. What makes these believers
>even wronger is the fact the next advancement is actually going
>backwards. Incandescent. Something like silicon carbide filaments.
>The LED believers can keep on dreaming because good old incandescent
>is coming back to bite you.
>
>For an LED light to be big enough, bright enough, and efficient enough
>to compete with cfls and be used in general lighting, you need bigger
>and fewer led's per "bulb". Idealy one big led per bulb. If we can
>get a single led light, then it can certainly compete with cfls. The
>main problem is heat. Even though it can be efficient enough to
>compete with cfls, the LED chip is damaged at relatively low
>temperature. The LED needs it's own dedicated cooling system. Thus
>you will never see a screw-in led bulb that can replace a 60w bulb
>with equal brightness.

I bet we will; it's just going to take a nother year or two, and a few
more years before something like that is on the market and with good color
and god color rendering and at a price at which they are not at a major
economic disadvantage against CFLs.

> You would only get an entire led fixture with
>the driver and cooling system built-in. Screw-in led bulbs of the
>future just aren't happening. Only complete fixtures. But then we
>have things like silicon carbide bulbs that should easily render LED's
>to a niche market.

Can you supply a link to silicon carbide incandescents? Somehow I have
managed to not hear about those as any significant technology for general
lighting.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:25 pm
From: ari.macsworld@gmail.com


Dear Sir/Madam,

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suppliers
for your good company. Backed by our craftmanship, experience and
innovative design with natural elements and materials, we would like
to
introduce our company as one of many manufacturer and exporters of
Rattan,
Teak Garden Furniture & Handicraft in Cirebon - West Java area. We
proudly offers a
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prices.

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Thank you for your kind attention and cooperation. Please do not
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Today's topics:

* Proof That Dave Jensen Is A SPAMMER - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/908bef55f5f99ded?hl=en
* vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4422c2827943bde?hl=en
* New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for starters) -
5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8eaca4e16f86c3d?hl=en
* action against Argos on faulty goods - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c66ea2e96d149d7?hl=en
* Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/334af4da683b3343?hl=en
* Free Sponge Towels - 1 messages, 1 author
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* OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Free Leviathan Reloaded Fat Burner - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Do all long-distance carriers now charge a monthly fee? - 1 messages, 1
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TOPIC: Proof That Dave Jensen Is A SPAMMER
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/908bef55f5f99ded?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:43 pm
From: Mark Thorson


Your blogspot web site is most certainly commercial
advertising for the products you are affiliated with.
Here is what you said about your web site (on 7/21/07):

> On occasion, I will mention a product that
> I am affiliated with, and this is clearly
> presented in the text. That only happens
> in about one out of ten or twelve posts.

How many posts does it take to make the
whole web site a commercial advertisement?
Clever spammers don't make their whole
web site advertising, because that tips off
the consumer he's being given a sales pitch.
Clever spammers mix their advertising with
non-advertising to make it seem non-commercial.

This is the basis for saying that your web site
is commercial, and every time you post an
advertisement in a non-commercial discussion
newsgroup, you are spamming. That makes you
a SPAMMER.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:57 pm
From: "Bob F"


Plonk!



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TOPIC: vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4422c2827943bde?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:46 pm
From: Andy Champ


Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <1194459963.920975.120360@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
> "augusto321@hotmail.com" <augusto321@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>> association reporting the best buy ?
>> Thanks for your suggestions!
>> Augusto
>
> Check http://www.consumerreports.org/

"Consumers Union of U.S., Inc.". US appliances will be different to
Europe owing to the different voltage.

Andy

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:53 pm
From: Andy Champ


Chris Game wrote:
>
> I don't think that's true - the latest report seems to be April
> which doesn't have such a rating for Henry. Do you have a reference?
>
I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.

"We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
readers give them a miss."

I don't want to post the whole report up, that'd be a bit of a copyright
violation.

Andy

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:06 pm
From: Owain


ARWadsworth wrote:
> You can buy robotic vacuum cleaners ...
> The lazy bastards do not do stairs though, you have to leave that to
> the wife.

Don't have stairs or wife. Life's simple.

Owain


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:01 pm
From: "Bob Eager"


On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:53:11 UTC, Andy Champ <no.way@nospam.com> wrote:

> Chris Game wrote:
> >
> > I don't think that's true - the latest report seems to be April
> > which doesn't have such a rating for Henry. Do you have a reference?
> >
> I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.
>
> "We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
> performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
> readers give them a miss."

But...but....you were talking about a Henry...which is NOT an upright!

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:49 pm
From: Steve


augusto321@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto
>
Miele. Their cheap ones are almost as good as their very expensive ones...


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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:39 pm
From: Klaatu


On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:15:50 GMT, Klaatu posted to alt.comp.freeware:

> I can't stand the UI of 7-zip myself. It's been a while since I tried
> it, but I could get it to do simple things that were a breeze with
> WinZip or IZArc for that matter.

Oops, of course I meant "...but I could NOT get it to do simple things...".
Duh me.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: John Fitzsimons


On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:03:12 -0600, "-Lost"
<maventheextrawords@techie.com> wrote:

>Response from John Fitzsimons <DELETEucwubqf02@sneakemail.com>:

>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:38:37 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

>> < snip >

>>>Winzip was once in common use and is well known, however
>>>freeware like 7-zip does it all, does it better, and with a much
>>>better
>>>UI.

>> I don't think it does things better. With Winzip I can extract a
>> compressed file to a folder of the same name. Automatically.

>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>> as the archive.

>> IMO tedious, very tedious.

>> Regards, John.

>Tools > Options > Plugins (tab) > 7-Zip (plug-in) > Options > System
>(tab) >
>"Extract to <Folder>"

>Do you think it does things better now? ; )

No. I have that option ticked. I still cannot extract a compressed
file to a folder of the same name without manually putting in the name
of the folder (if using the GUI). I can with Winzip.

Regards, John.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: John Fitzsimons


On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:20:48 GMT, Erica Eshoo
<evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:

>>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>>> as the archive.

>> I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
>> http://www.extractnow.com/

>For the record, IZArc freeware not only extracts the file to a folder of
>any name, it chooses the most logical name and location automatically for
>you ... and ... not only that - but it opens the resultant folder
>automatically for you if you have that option checked.

>What could be more convenient?

Extracting a compressed file to a folder of the same name. Without
needing to manually put the name of the folder in.

< snip >

Regards, John.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:32 pm
From: John Fitzsimons


On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak
<anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

>John Fitzsimons wrote:

>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>> as the archive.

>I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
>http://www.extractnow.com/

Yes, but AFAIK it doesn't do 7-zip extractions. :-(

Regards, John.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:21 pm
From: Anthony Matonak


John Fitzsimons wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
>> I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
>> http://www.extractnow.com/
>
> Yes, but AFAIK it doesn't do 7-zip extractions. :-(

From the website...
: Supports ZIP, RAR, ISO, BIN, IMG, IMA, IMZ, 7Z, ACE, JAR, GZ, LZH,
: LHA, TAR, SIT archive formats

I don't know if 7Z is the same as 7-zip but it sounds close.

Anthony


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TOPIC: action against Argos on faulty goods
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:56 pm
From: "Peter Crosland"


Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:07:58 GMT, "johngood_____" <void@void.net>
> wrote:
>
>> What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can
>> just say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>
> Manufacturer's often offer a one year warranty in addition to any and
> all legal rights you have against the supplier. Did Argos ever say
> to you about any purchase '"its a year", so tough luck' or did you
> make that up?

AFAIK there is now a European Directive that gives a minimum consumer
guarantee of two years but I can't find the reference.

Peter Crosland


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:56 pm
From: "Anthony R. Gold"


On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:56:29 -0000, "Peter Crosland" <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> AFAIK there is now a European Directive that gives a minimum consumer
> guarantee of two years but I can't find the reference.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/1999/l_171/l_17119990707en00120016.pdf
http://www.gkhlaw.com/content.asp?page=articles&article=Minimum_Warranty_Requirements

but of course all directives are toothless without enacting national
legislation.

Tony

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Anthony R. Gold <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote
> Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> wrote

>> AFAIK there is now a European Directive that gives a minimum
>> consumer guarantee of two years but I can't find the reference.
>
> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/1999/l_171/l_17119990707en00120016.pdf
> http://www.gkhlaw.com/content.asp?page=articles&article=Minimum_Warranty_Requirements

That second one clearly says that it isnt a 2 year warranty at all.

> but of course all directives are toothless without enacting national legislation.

Wrong.



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TOPIC: Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/334af4da683b3343?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:14 pm
From: ltpersonaltraining@yahoo.com


As Seen On OPRAH & 20/20 - TURN $6 into $24600
Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20

THE PAYPAL 6 DOLLAR MONEY-MAKING METHOD

AS SEEN ON OPRAH EARN HUGE $$$$$$$$

all you need is:
1) An email address
2) A PayPal account
3) $6.00
THIS IS A 2007, CURRENT EMAIL LIST

Ever since the internet became popular, the word "scam" has become a
daily term. I have never once tried any money making "system" outside
of this because of that very reason. However, after reading reports
on
the validity and reputation of this money making system (seen on
Oprah,
CNN, and other media forums) I decided to give this one a shot...
Especially since the so called "risk" is only $6.00. I mean, for the
chance, what a joke right? Anyway, only hours after implementing this
exact system I about fell out of my chair as money ACTUALLY started
rolling in. I couldn't believe it and for that reason, I wrote this
intro and became a believer in this system.

WHAT IS IT?

The idea is that of a system that takes advantage of the power of
compounding. And in a big way, let me tell you. First and foremost
understand that there are
countless spin-offs of this system that try to make a "quick buck"
off
of people. Long lists, the 5 & 10 dollar trees, the birthday systems,
etc...

Those spin-offs do make money because of the ease of implementation
of
this idea, but they do NOT use the compounding advantage. This system
is THE legit and profitable one. Here is how it works... There is a
list of 6 email addresses (you'll see it as you read further). Each
of
these people has already taken part in this system. When someone new
comes along (such as yourself) he/she removes #1 off of the list,
moves
the other five email addresses up one position (i.e. #6 goes to #5,
#5
to #4, etc.), and places their PayPal email address in the #6
position.
This process is what develops the power of compounding. The bottom
line
is this... Honesty and Integrity creates Profitability. Following
this
EXACT process is what creates the money, and that is why this system
has been raved about in the media. Altering the system creates weak
results. The legality of this system comes from the idea that you are
of course creating a mailing list, and a "service" is being provided
(more on that later.) Now on to how your $6.00 creates BIG money...

INSTRUCTIONS:

STEP 1:

The first thing to do is highlight and SAVE this entire post in word
or
notepad on your computer so you can come back to it later.

After that, if you are not already a PayPal user you need to go to
the
PayPal website at https://www.paypal.com/au/mrb/pal=CW4RHQW7BQJKC and
SIGN UP. If you want to be able to
receive credit card payments from other people then you will need to
sign up for a PREMIER or BUSINESS account (not just a PERSONAL
account). This is highly recommended to allow others easy payment
options. In order to place the initial $6 into your account, you will
have to verify your bank account with PAYPAL (which may take a few
days). PAYPAL is 100% secure and is used by millions of people
worldwide.

STEP 2:

Here is where the action occurs. The first thing to do is to send a
$1.00 payment to each of the 6 email addresses on the current list
from
your PayPal account. To do this quickly and successfully, follow
these
simple steps:

1. Login to PayPal and click on the "Send Money" tab near the top of
the screen

2. In the "Recipient's Email" field enter the email address

3. In the "Amount" field enter "1" (This is your $1.00 payment)

4. In the "Category" field select "Service" (Keeping it legal)

5. In the "Subject" field type "EMAIL LIST", and in the "NOTE" field
enter "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST". By doing this, you are
creating a service and maintaining the legality of the system by
"paying" for the service.

6. Finally, click on the "Continue" button to complete the payment.
Repeat these steps for each of the 6 email addresses. That's it! By
sending the $1.00 payment to each address, you are implementing the
compounding POWER of the system. You will reap what you sow!

Here is the current e-mail list:

*************************************************

The email list:


1) veemartinez@gmail.com
2) corina@bigpond.net.au
3) apriladelaide@yahoo.com
4) haneefgroup@yahoo.com
5) sword_maaster@yahoo.com
6) ltpersonaltraining@yahoo.com

************************************************

STEP 2:

Now take the #1 email off of the list that you see above (from your
saved file), move the other addresses up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4,
etc.) and add YOUR email address (the one used for your PayPal
account)
as number 6 on the list. This is the only part of the document that
should be changed. ** Make sure your email address is the one you
have
registered with PayPal **

STEP 3:

Post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups or message
boards.
Keep in mind that there are tens of thousands of groups online! All
you
need is 200, but remember the more you post the more money you make -
as well as everyone else on the list! I've began to see money roll in
before I even hit 100 posts, but try to hit around 200 to allow
maximum exposure. Use Netscape, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari,
or
whatever your internet browser is to search for various news groups,
on-line forums, message boards, bulletin boards, chat sites,
discussions, discussion groups, on-line communities, etc. For
example,
log on to any search engine like yahoo.com or google.com and type in
a
subject like 'MILLIONAIRE MESSAGE BOARD', 'MONEY MAKING DISCUSSIONS',
'MONEY MAKING FORUMS', or 'BUSINESS MESSAGE BOARD', etc. You will
find
thousands and thousands of message boards. Click them one by one and
you will find the option to post a new message. Fill in the subject
which will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through
the
list of postings in a particular group, and post the article with the
NEW list of email addresses included. THAT'S IT!!! All you have to do
is jump to different newsgroups and post away. After you get the hang
of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup.

HOW THE MONEY WORKS:

When you post 200 messages in various forums, it is estimated that at
LEAST 15 people will respond and send you a $1.00 ($15.00). Those 15
will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00 ($225.00),
etc.
through 6 levels of email addresses. For comprehension purposes, here
is an easy viewing chart:

1) 15(1) = 15 people ($1) = $15
2) 15(15) = 225 people ($1) = $225
3) 15(225) = 3375 people ($1) = $3375
4) 15(3375) = 50625 people ($1) = $50625
5) 15(50625) = 759375 people ($1) = $759375

As you can see, your $6.00 has multiplied exponentially. What other
opportunity that is as simple as this can cash in the way this can?!
I'm not going to say this is going to make everyone over $800,000,
but
within a few WEEKS you begin to see results, thanks to the speed of
the
internet!

When your name is no longer on the list, take the latest posting in
the
newsgroups and begin the process again. Simply amazing...

One other tip to speed up the process even more:
You can send out your amended post (after you complete the process
and
add your PAYPAL email address to the list) to the contacts you
already
have in YOUR email address book! It is AMAZING how fast this works.
Be
cautious though with your emailing (don't spam hundreds of people you
don't know). Combine this idea with the steps above to MAXIMIZE your
profits. I can't stress enough how this system works wonders. There
is
something to be said when an idea is internationally publicized, just
make sure you take advantage of it (especially for only $6.00!)

Follow the system as described, and enjoy your PROFITS!!!

REMEMBER... HONESTY AND INTEGRITY = PROFITABILITY

YOUR NAME COULD CYCLE FOR A LONG TIME! THIS MAKES IT THE GIFT THAT
KEEPS ON GIVING.

This is excellent seed money to start or expand a business, buy your
dream home, car and pay off whatever bills you may have. Good luck!

HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS?

Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Log on any search

engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com, excite.com, etc.,
then search with the subject "millionaire message board; or; money
making message board;

or; employment message board; or making discussions; or ''money making
forum; or; business message board; etc. You will find thousands &
thousands of message

boards.

Click on them one by one and you will find
the option 'post a new message'. Then Post this article as a 'new
message' by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting copy
then paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the
header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings
in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with
your first one!

It only takes about 60 seconds to complete postings on message boards
after you catch on.

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!!


GOOD LUCK!!!!


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TOPIC: Free Sponge Towels
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:18 pm
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"


Get a printable coupon for a free 2-roll pack of Sponge Towels,
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TOPIC: OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 1:54 pm
From: Christopher Helms


On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> Notice something?

Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
was correct.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:38 pm
From: Steven


On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> > Notice something?
>
> Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> was correct.

WTF's an FMA

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:49 pm
From: Jamie


On Nov 8, 2:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>
> > > Notice something?
>
> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
> > was correct.
>
> WTF's an FMA
GMIIK! (see below)


Jamie "got me if I know" Ghione


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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:12 pm
From: "Chloe"


"Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of North
>> Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who used
>> electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk of cancer
>> as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric blankets.
>>
>>
> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such studies,
> but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he said, "I hate to
> give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that it needs to evolve."
> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html

I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently what it
*doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers, or it would
just say so.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Chloe <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
> "Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
> news:YhHYi.17334$W9.10920@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of
>>> North Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who
>>> used electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk
>>> of cancer as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric
>>> blankets.
>> I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such
>> studies, but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he
>> said, "I hate to give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that
>> it needs to evolve."
>> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html
>
> I don't know what a "30% increased risk" means, either. Apparently
> what it *doesn't* mean is that there were actually 30% more cancers,
> or it would just say so.

Wrong, that is precisely what it means except that its talking about
getting cancer at all rather than getting more than one cancer.



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TOPIC: Free Leviathan Reloaded Fat Burner
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ee2007c0195c7b0b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:26 pm
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"


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TOPIC: Do all long-distance carriers now charge a monthly fee?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/52b51df4774f4c96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 2:48 pm
From: Jim Prescott


In article <1194423404.240144.34700@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Not a tremendous amount of money, but wondering if there's any LD
>carrier that doesn't charge anything if I don't make calls.

There are several. Here are some sites that let you compare rates:
http://www.saveonphone.com/

http://www.phonedog.com/long-distance

http://www.phoneratefinder.com/

Note that if you do much in-state long-distance you can get much better
prices with things line onesuite.com than with any 1+ carrier. If you
can program the access number into speedial on your phone this can be
almost as convenient as 1+ dialing.

If you have high-speed internet there is also skype.com which runs about
$30/yr.
--
Jim Prescott - Computing and Networking Group jgp@seas.rochester.edu
School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, University of Rochester, NY

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* Anyone ever had their gutters replaced? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* US-made pizza recalled due to E. coli; maybe China should boycott all US-
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* Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3fk3 - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3fk - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3 - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09i - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Nokia N95 Hoodies Sunglasses Nokia N93 Nokia N70 Sony memory card Mobile
Phones - 3 messages, 1 author
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* vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket - 1 messages, 1 author
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* New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for starters) -
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* Do all long-distance carriers now charge a monthly fee? - 1 messages, 1
author
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* OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me - 1 messages, 1 author
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* ~ * Iron Chef's Kitchen Stadium: THE SOUP KITCHEN * ~ - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Anyone ever had their gutters replaced?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8901b32b3f324551?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 7:55 am
From: Al Bundy

OhioGuy wrote:
> I'm in a position where I need to have my gutters replaced, and I'm
> wondering what a fair price is for the work.
>
> I've done the tear-out myself, so that has all been finished. (old gutters
> completely removed)
>
> I have two things that need done:
>
> 1) 170' of gutter around the roof needs installed, and 2 new downspouts need
> run. It is approx 23' up off the ground
>
> 2) approx 55' of gutter running around the front porch needs installed, plus
> 2 new downspouts. This is about 11' above ground level
>
> Downspouts would all be the larger 3x4" sizes, not smaller 2x3", to make
> sure it can handle the water flow during heavy rains.
>
> Anybody out there had some gutters replaced, or had anything like this
> priced lately? I'm just wondering what a good price would be for this type
> of work. I know it could be done in less than a full day, since I've
> already done the tear-off, and most of these places use the continuous
> aluminum gutter and downspouts. (longer, continuous pieces that let them not
> have to mess with seams very often)
>
> Thanks!

Just call around and get estimates like any sensible person would.
That's the bottom line anyway. A news group can't be your personal
shopper in this case as you would like.
Taking off the old gutters is the easiest part of the work. The
advantage to you is that you can paint or repair the surface before
the new work. And I'd be shocked if you did not take all the removed
aluminum to the recycler for the salvage money. Of course you weighed
every scrap before taking it and checked around for the best per pound
price.


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TOPIC: US-made pizza recalled due to E. coli; maybe China should boycott all
US-made pizzas
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 7:58 am
From: Damaeus


In news:rec.food.cooking, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted on
Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:05:34 +1100:

> Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be able to use
> groups.google to find plenty of examples where I have said
> nothing of the kind, if someone was actually stupid enough to
> lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, fuckwit child.

Okay, it's impossible to have a conversation with someone who dances down
both sides of the aisles...troll.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 10:42 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be able to use
>> groups.google to find plenty of examples where I have said
>> nothing of the kind, if someone was actually stupid enough to
>> lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, fuckwit child.

> Okay, it's impossible to have a conversation with
> someone who dances down both sides of the aisles...troll.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag, fuckwit pathological liar.



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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3fk3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:31 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke


Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's parliamentary elections will he held
by mid-February, a month later than planned, the country's military
ruler said Thursday, a day after President Bush urged him to hold the
vote on time.
ADVERTISEMENT

Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto denounced President Gen. Pervez
Musharraf's pledge as insufficient and said he should step down as
army chief within a week.

With anger over military rule spreading, the United States and
domestic opponents are stepping up pressure on Musharraf to end the
emergency rule imposed Saturday, shed his uniform and hold elections
as planned in January.

Bush, who counts Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terror,
telephoned him Wednesday to say he should step down as the military
chief and hold the vote on schedule.

And Bhutto, who had been in talks with Musharraf on forming a post-
election alliance, added to the pressure by deciding to join protests
against the emergency. Authorities reportedly arrested hundreds of her
supporters overnight to head off a major rally she is planning near
Islamabad on Friday.

News that elections would be held by mid-February was flashed on state-
run television, which quoted Musharraf as saying the vote would be
delayed by not more than one month. The government said earlier this
week that the vote could be delayed by as long as a year.

Musharraf's decision was announced after a meeting of his National
Security Council.

The announcement was seen as an indication that the emergency would be
short-lived because authorities would likely have to ease up on
security restrictions to allow campaigning.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum forecast that the state of
emergency would be lifted in "one or two" months.

"It depends on how the law and order situation improves," Qayyum told
The Associated Press.

Musharraf maintains that restoring democracy is his ultimate aim and
the emergency was needed to prevent political instability, protect
economic growth, and maintain the campaign against extremism and
terrorism.

Pakistan, a country of 160 million, has been wracked by Taliban and al-
Qaida-linked violence, including suicide bombings and clashes in its
troubled northwest, where the insurgents have in recent weeks scored a
series of victories against government forces.

Critics, however, say Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup,
imposed the emergency measures - suspending the constitution, blacking
out independent TV news networks - to maintain his own grip on power.
The moves came ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of his
recent re-election as president.

Days of protests, most of them by lawyers angered by the attacks on
the judiciary, have been quickly and sometimes brutally put down.

Thursday was no different. In Islamabad, police chased about 20 high-
school students into the city's bar association headquarters after
they showed up in solidarity with dozens of protesting lawyers, who
were observing the fourth day of a nationwide strike.

In Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, more than 100 professors boycotted
classes and marched on the campus of the state-run University of the
Punjab.


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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3fk
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ea3357b835fd1564?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:31 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke


Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's parliamentary elections will he held
by mid-February, a month later than planned, the country's military
ruler said Thursday, a day after President Bush urged him to hold the
vote on time.
ADVERTISEMENT

Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto denounced President Gen. Pervez
Musharraf's pledge as insufficient and said he should step down as
army chief within a week.

With anger over military rule spreading, the United States and
domestic opponents are stepping up pressure on Musharraf to end the
emergency rule imposed Saturday, shed his uniform and hold elections
as planned in January.

Bush, who counts Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terror,
telephoned him Wednesday to say he should step down as the military
chief and hold the vote on schedule.

And Bhutto, who had been in talks with Musharraf on forming a post-
election alliance, added to the pressure by deciding to join protests
against the emergency. Authorities reportedly arrested hundreds of her
supporters overnight to head off a major rally she is planning near
Islamabad on Friday.

News that elections would be held by mid-February was flashed on state-
run television, which quoted Musharraf as saying the vote would be
delayed by not more than one month. The government said earlier this
week that the vote could be delayed by as long as a year.

Musharraf's decision was announced after a meeting of his National
Security Council.

The announcement was seen as an indication that the emergency would be
short-lived because authorities would likely have to ease up on
security restrictions to allow campaigning.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum forecast that the state of
emergency would be lifted in "one or two" months.

"It depends on how the law and order situation improves," Qayyum told
The Associated Press.

Musharraf maintains that restoring democracy is his ultimate aim and
the emergency was needed to prevent political instability, protect
economic growth, and maintain the campaign against extremism and
terrorism.

Pakistan, a country of 160 million, has been wracked by Taliban and al-
Qaida-linked violence, including suicide bombings and clashes in its
troubled northwest, where the insurgents have in recent weeks scored a
series of victories against government forces.

Critics, however, say Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup,
imposed the emergency measures - suspending the constitution, blacking
out independent TV news networks - to maintain his own grip on power.
The moves came ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of his
recent re-election as president.

Days of protests, most of them by lawyers angered by the attacks on
the judiciary, have been quickly and sometimes brutally put down.

Thursday was no different. In Islamabad, police chased about 20 high-
school students into the city's bar association headquarters after
they showed up in solidarity with dozens of protesting lawyers, who
were observing the fourth day of a nationwide strike.

In Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, more than 100 professors boycotted
classes and marched on the campus of the state-run University of the
Punjab.


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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f9e402057f7c55be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:34 am
From: Nenad Milicevic - Arijevac


Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's parliamentary elections will he held
by mid-February, a month later than planned, the country's military
ruler said Thursday, a day after President Bush urged him to hold the
vote on time.
ADVERTISEMENT

Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto denounced President Gen. Pervez
Musharraf's pledge as insufficient and said he should step down as
army chief within a week.

With anger over military rule spreading, the United States and
domestic opponents are stepping up pressure on Musharraf to end the
emergency rule imposed Saturday, shed his uniform and hold elections
as planned in January.

Bush, who counts Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terror,
telephoned him Wednesday to say he should step down as the military
chief and hold the vote on schedule.

And Bhutto, who had been in talks with Musharraf on forming a post-
election alliance, added to the pressure by deciding to join protests
against the emergency. Authorities reportedly arrested hundreds of her
supporters overnight to head off a major rally she is planning near
Islamabad on Friday.

News that elections would be held by mid-February was flashed on state-
run television, which quoted Musharraf as saying the vote would be
delayed by not more than one month. The government said earlier this
week that the vote could be delayed by as long as a year.

Musharraf's decision was announced after a meeting of his National
Security Council.

The announcement was seen as an indication that the emergency would be
short-lived because authorities would likely have to ease up on
security restrictions to allow campaigning.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum forecast that the state of
emergency would be lifted in "one or two" months.

"It depends on how the law and order situation improves," Qayyum told
The Associated Press.

Musharraf maintains that restoring democracy is his ultimate aim and
the emergency was needed to prevent political instability, protect
economic growth, and maintain the campaign against extremism and
terrorism.

Pakistan, a country of 160 million, has been wracked by Taliban and al-
Qaida-linked violence, including suicide bombings and clashes in its
troubled northwest, where the insurgents have in recent weeks scored a
series of victories against government forces.

Critics, however, say Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup,
imposed the emergency measures - suspending the constitution, blacking
out independent TV news networks - to maintain his own grip on power.
The moves came ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of his
recent re-election as president.

Days of protests, most of them by lawyers angered by the attacks on
the judiciary, have been quickly and sometimes brutally put down.

Thursday was no different. In Islamabad, police chased about 20 high-
school students into the city's bar association headquarters after
they showed up in solidarity with dozens of protesting lawyers, who
were observing the fourth day of a nationwide strike.

In Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, more than 100 professors boycotted
classes and marched on the campus of the state-run University of the
Punjab.


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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09i
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f0d9d8f9e53fff93?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:36 am
From: Nenad Milicevic - Arijevac


Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's parliamentary elections will he held
by mid-February, a month later than planned, the country's military
ruler said Thursday, a day after President Bush urged him to hold the
vote on time.
ADVERTISEMENT

Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto denounced President Gen. Pervez
Musharraf's pledge as insufficient and said he should step down as
army chief within a week.

With anger over military rule spreading, the United States and
domestic opponents are stepping up pressure on Musharraf to end the
emergency rule imposed Saturday, shed his uniform and hold elections
as planned in January.

Bush, who counts Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terror,
telephoned him Wednesday to say he should step down as the military
chief and hold the vote on schedule.

And Bhutto, who had been in talks with Musharraf on forming a post-
election alliance, added to the pressure by deciding to join protests
against the emergency. Authorities reportedly arrested hundreds of her
supporters overnight to head off a major rally she is planning near
Islamabad on Friday.

News that elections would be held by mid-February was flashed on state-
run television, which quoted Musharraf as saying the vote would be
delayed by not more than one month. The government said earlier this
week that the vote could be delayed by as long as a year.

Musharraf's decision was announced after a meeting of his National
Security Council.

The announcement was seen as an indication that the emergency would be
short-lived because authorities would likely have to ease up on
security restrictions to allow campaigning.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum forecast that the state of
emergency would be lifted in "one or two" months.

"It depends on how the law and order situation improves," Qayyum told
The Associated Press.

Musharraf maintains that restoring democracy is his ultimate aim and
the emergency was needed to prevent political instability, protect
economic growth, and maintain the campaign against extremism and
terrorism.

Pakistan, a country of 160 million, has been wracked by Taliban and al-
Qaida-linked violence, including suicide bombings and clashes in its
troubled northwest, where the insurgents have in recent weeks scored a
series of victories against government forces.

Critics, however, say Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup,
imposed the emergency measures - suspending the constitution, blacking
out independent TV news networks - to maintain his own grip on power.
The moves came ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of his
recent re-election as president.

Days of protests, most of them by lawyers angered by the attacks on
the judiciary, have been quickly and sometimes brutally put down.

Thursday was no different. In Islamabad, police chased about 20 high-
school students into the city's bar association headquarters after
they showed up in solidarity with dozens of protesting lawyers, who
were observing the fourth day of a nationwide strike.

In Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, more than 100 professors boycotted
classes and marched on the campus of the state-run University of the
Punjab.


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TOPIC: Nokia N95 Hoodies Sunglasses Nokia N93 Nokia N70 Sony memory card
Mobile Phones
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d1dfc9a7bc00097e?hl=en
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Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:51 am
From: "shopbb.com"


Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.shopbb.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:56 am
From: "shopbb.com"


Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.shopbb.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael


==============================================================================
TOPIC: vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4422c2827943bde?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 8:58 am
From: "ARWadsworth"

"Owain" <owain47125@stirlingcity.coo.uk> wrote in message
news:1194523139.18734.0@proxy01.news.clara.net...
> Chris Game wrote:
>> Huge wrote:
>>>Standby mode? On a *vacuum* *cleaner*?????
>> Presumably for convenience, using the remote control?
>
> With a "snooze" button?
>
> Owain
>

Why not.

You can buy robotic vacuum cleaners that are self learning and do it for
you. The newer models can be set to clean on certain days and automatically
go back to the base station for recharging when they need to. The lazy
bastards do not do stairs though, you have to leave that to the wife.

Adam

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:14 pm
From: F


On 07/11/2007 18:26 augusto321@hotmail.com wrote:

> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)?

Miele Cat and Dog

--
F

(Beware of spam trap - remove the negative)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:32 pm
From: "Rick Hughes"

<augusto321@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194459963.920975.120360@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto


Built in a BEAM ... Serenity Plus ...... great bit of kit


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61dd3b5c34b2d773?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 9:01 am
From: Bill Rider


Jon v Leipzig wrote:
> Bill Rider wrote:
>> Jon v Leipzig wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Electric Blankets and Waterbeds
>>>
>>> Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7
>>> inches into the body. Thus it is not surprising that an
>>> epidemiological study has linked electric blankets with miscarriages
>>> and childhood leukemia.
>>>
>>> This pioneering work was performed by Dr. Nancy Wertheimer and Ed
>>> Leeper, who originally discovered that magnetic fields were linked to
>>> childhood leukemia. Similar health effects have been noted with users
>>> of many electric blankets and waterbed heaters will emit EMFs even
>>> when turned off.
>>> The devices must be unplugged to delete the EMF exposure.
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> (this draft was based on analysis of 100 studies, 24 showed some
>>> increase in cancer risk. The final report was toned down, to please
>>> corporate/military interests)
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>> In a draft report issued in March 1990, the EPA recommended that EMFs
>>> be classified as a Class B carcinogen -- -a "probable human
>>> carcinogen and joined the ranks of formaldehyde, DDT, dioxins and PCBs.
>>
>> Wertheimer ran a small study to see if she could find environmental
>> factors in childhood leukemia. She happened to notice a statistical
>> increase for children within two doors of a neighborhood transformer.
>> She saw no increase for kids with lines crossing their yards.
>>
>> There were two problems with the study. First, it was small. In a
>> small study, one may falsely infer a statistical relationship from
>> what is random chance. Second, she inferred that kids living close to
>> these transformers were exposed to more EMFs. That sounds dubious.
>>
>> In November of 1996, the National Academy of Sciences said there was
>> no evidence of risk. Scientists from the National Cancer Institute
>> collaborated in a much larger study in which they measured the EMF
>> exposure of kids with leukemia and a control group. Results published
>> in July of 1997 said EMFs were not a risk factor.
>
> Strange, none sought to examine emf effects on a cellular level.

That's right. Wertheimer's evidence was epidemological.
>
>
>
> ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AND YOUR HEALTH
>
> By John Iovine, From "Popular Electronics" March 1993
>
> {......}
> Although the mechanism by which ELF fields affect biological tissue is
> still not exactly known, it has been unequivocally shown that cells are
> affected. The best research to date shows that a cell's membrane, or
> receptor molecules in the membrane, are sensitive to extremely weak
> low-frequency magnetic fields.
>
> {.....}
> the quantum energy of these fields isn't sufficient to produce any type
> of chromosomal damage. Simply, that means that ELF radiation doesn't
> initiate cancer. The increased incidence of cancers is due to the fact
> that ELF radiation can promote the disease after the cancer has been
> triggered by another agent. The cancer is promoted because ELF radiation
> can suppress the body's immune system. In addition, it has been
> determined that at the cellular level the ELF fields increase the
> production of the enzyme ornithine decarboxylase, which has been cited
> to support the promotion of cancer in the body.
>
> { .....}

John Iovine is a fine man. He runs a shop on Long Island to supply
other electronics hobbyists.
>
> * In 1990, David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of
> North Carolina, determined through a study that pregnant woman who used
> electric blankets have children who have a 30% increased risk of cancer
> as compared to children whose mothers didn't use electric blankets.
>
>
I don't see what the * refers to. Savitz was a leader in such studies,
but his own studies contradicted each other. In 1995 he said, "I hate
to give up on epidemiology outright, but I think that it needs to evolve."
http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1995/103-5/forum.html



==============================================================================
TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8eaca4e16f86c3d?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 9:15 am
From: Klaatu


On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:13:29 GMT, John Fitzsimons posted to
alt.comp.freeware:

> I don't think it does things better. With Winzip I can extract a
> compressed file to a folder of the same name. Automatically.
>
> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
> as the archive.
>
> IMO tedious, very tedious.

I can't stand the UI of 7-zip myself. It's been a while since I tried it,
but I could get it to do simple things that were a breeze with WinZip or
IZArc for that matter. I think I wanted to freshen the files in a 7-zip
archive but couldn't see how to do it. I try it now and again but each time
I'm put off by its horrible UI.

--
Can lactose intolerance eventually lead to lactose-related hate crimes?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 11:33 am
From: "-Lost"


Response from Erica Eshoo <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net>:

> I think IZArc freeware can create RAR archives.
> Its web page says it's the most complete archive utility available
> today, freeware or not.
>
> Here is what it says at http://www.izarc.org

Support for a format does not mean that it can create said format.
Merely that it can extract or read RAR files. I am going to guess by
the site's title that it cannot create RAR files.

"IZArc - The Ultimate Archive Utility - Free Zip, Unzip, Unrar, 7-
Zip, ISO, BIN, compress, archive"

Notice it says "Unrar" and then goes on to use two generic terms,
"compress" and "archive."

Not to mention all the posts on the forum that illustrate that
creating RAR archives is not possible, only the reading of, and the
few I found said that it didn't even read it correctly -- dated as
new as two weeks ago.

And I consider this a lie:

"RAR, ARC, ARJ, ACE, LZH and etc. are older formats that provide both
grouping and compression, like Zip files.

IZArc does not use external programs when working with these files."

Since it has unrar3.dll sitting there -- which is a DLL provided by
RAR Lab.

And if you are still not convinced for some reason, IZArc states as a
matter of fact that it's default archive types are: ZIP, CAB, BH,
BZ2, GZIP, JAR, LHA, 7-ZIP, BGA, TAR, and YZ1.

The final verdict... it can create a file with the extension *.rar,
but it is NOT a real RAR file in the sense that the headers are not
RAR headers, it uses ZIP compression, specifically PKZIP signatures,
and is equivalent to me making a generic ZIP file and renaming it
RAR. Hell, I could rename it TXT if I wanted and a generic ZIP
utility would still be able to open it as long as it had generic ZIP
headers.

Not to mention this is the first compression archiver I have ever
seen that makes a compressed archive that is larger than the original
file and doesn't even include a recovery record, CRC check, et
cetera.

So just to be clear... it cannot create RAR files -- unless you say
it can based on the fact it can name a file with a *.rar extension.

--
-Lost
Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
kidding. No I am not.


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TOPIC: Do all long-distance carriers now charge a monthly fee?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/52b51df4774f4c96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 10:10 am
From: "Bob F"

"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:o8nYi.50$dP.23@newsfe10.lga...
> Abe wrote:
>>> You do not need a long distance carrier. You can use phone cars or a dial
>>> around service.
>> True enough. I prefer a single carrier, and to not have to use a card,
>> but to each his own.
>
> Reminder: if you have a phone with programmable numbers, you can program the
> toll-free number for a pre-paid service into one of them, and your PIN into
> another. (Some services let you specify numbers from which you can call that
> don't require a PIN, e.g., your home number.)

And if it has a pause key, you can program the toll-free #, pause,pause,PIN into
one programmable #.

Bob



==============================================================================
TOPIC: Rare_4Xmas_Beatles
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/56cb2ff9962ca881?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 11:14 am
From: Hostel


Rare_4Xmas_Beatles
http://www.memorybankinc.com/moodies/HELP1.htm
http://www.memorybankinc.com/moodies/HELP.html


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TOPIC: OT: The First Thing at Christmas, FMA Showed to Me
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7247c2fcfaba68a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 11:18 am
From: Jamie


http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt

Notice something?


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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if3f
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9b5a555742ea1600?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 11:22 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke


Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's parliamentary elections will he held
by mid-February, a month later than planned, the country's military
ruler said Thursday, a day after President Bush urged him to hold the
vote on time.
ADVERTISEMENT

Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto denounced President Gen. Pervez
Musharraf's pledge as insufficient and said he should step down as
army chief within a week.

With anger over military rule spreading, the United States and
domestic opponents are stepping up pressure on Musharraf to end the
emergency rule imposed Saturday, shed his uniform and hold elections
as planned in January.

Bush, who counts Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terror,
telephoned him Wednesday to say he should step down as the military
chief and hold the vote on schedule.

And Bhutto, who had been in talks with Musharraf on forming a post-
election alliance, added to the pressure by deciding to join protests
against the emergency. Authorities reportedly arrested hundreds of her
supporters overnight to head off a major rally she is planning near
Islamabad on Friday.

News that elections would be held by mid-February was flashed on state-
run television, which quoted Musharraf as saying the vote would be
delayed by not more than one month. The government said earlier this
week that the vote could be delayed by as long as a year.

Musharraf's decision was announced after a meeting of his National
Security Council.

The announcement was seen as an indication that the emergency would be
short-lived because authorities would likely have to ease up on
security restrictions to allow campaigning.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum forecast that the state of
emergency would be lifted in "one or two" months.

"It depends on how the law and order situation improves," Qayyum told
The Associated Press.

Musharraf maintains that restoring democracy is his ultimate aim and
the emergency was needed to prevent political instability, protect
economic growth, and maintain the campaign against extremism and
terrorism.

Pakistan, a country of 160 million, has been wracked by Taliban and al-
Qaida-linked violence, including suicide bombings and clashes in its
troubled northwest, where the insurgents have in recent weeks scored a
series of victories against government forces.

Critics, however, say Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup,
imposed the emergency measures - suspending the constitution, blacking
out independent TV news networks - to maintain his own grip on power.
The moves came ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of his
recent re-election as president.

Days of protests, most of them by lawyers angered by the attacks on
the judiciary, have been quickly and sometimes brutally put down.

Thursday was no different. In Islamabad, police chased about 20 high-
school students into the city's bar association headquarters after
they showed up in solidarity with dozens of protesting lawyers, who
were observing the fourth day of a nationwide strike.

In Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, more than 100 professors boycotted
classes and marched on the campus of the state-run University of the
Punjab.


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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko kf49i09fi09if
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9b02c19e822bb906?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 11:27 am
From: Nenad Milicevic - Arijevac


Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's parliamentary elections will he held
by mid-February, a month later than planned, the country's military
ruler said Thursday, a day after President Bush urged him to hold the
vote on time.
ADVERTISEMENT

Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto denounced President Gen. Pervez
Musharraf's pledge as insufficient and said he should step down as
army chief within a week.

With anger over military rule spreading, the United States and
domestic opponents are stepping up pressure on Musharraf to end the
emergency rule imposed Saturday, shed his uniform and hold elections
as planned in January.

Bush, who counts Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terror,
telephoned him Wednesday to say he should step down as the military
chief and hold the vote on schedule.

And Bhutto, who had been in talks with Musharraf on forming a post-
election alliance, added to the pressure by deciding to join protests
against the emergency. Authorities reportedly arrested hundreds of her
supporters overnight to head off a major rally she is planning near
Islamabad on Friday.

News that elections would be held by mid-February was flashed on state-
run television, which quoted Musharraf as saying the vote would be
delayed by not more than one month. The government said earlier this
week that the vote could be delayed by as long as a year.

Musharraf's decision was announced after a meeting of his National
Security Council.

The announcement was seen as an indication that the emergency would be
short-lived because authorities would likely have to ease up on
security restrictions to allow campaigning.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum forecast that the state of
emergency would be lifted in "one or two" months.

"It depends on how the law and order situation improves," Qayyum told
The Associated Press.

Musharraf maintains that restoring democracy is his ultimate aim and
the emergency was needed to prevent political instability, protect
economic growth, and maintain the campaign against extremism and
terrorism.

Pakistan, a country of 160 million, has been wracked by Taliban and al-
Qaida-linked violence, including suicide bombings and clashes in its
troubled northwest, where the insurgents have in recent weeks scored a
series of victories against government forces.

Critics, however, say Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup,
imposed the emergency measures - suspending the constitution, blacking
out independent TV news networks - to maintain his own grip on power.
The moves came ahead of a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of his
recent re-election as president.

Days of protests, most of them by lawyers angered by the attacks on
the judiciary, have been quickly and sometimes brutally put down.

Thursday was no different. In Islamabad, police chased about 20 high-
school students into the city's bar association headquarters after
they showed up in solidarity with dozens of protesting lawyers, who
were observing the fourth day of a nationwide strike.

In Lahore, in eastern Pakistan, more than 100 professors boycotted
classes and marched on the campus of the state-run University of the
Punjab.


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TOPIC: ~ * Iron Chef's Kitchen Stadium: THE SOUP KITCHEN * ~
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d87cadfd02dc075a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 11:44 am
From: Twittering One


"Twittering ~ Tell Martha

[she's knows
The people over at The Food Network]

To pit

The Broadway Presbyterian Church
Against
The Holy Apostles Soup Kitchen ~ !"
~ Folly



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TOPIC: Don't use GTC Longdistance
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0f75bef6721ccdce?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:22 pm
From: Wayne Sallee


When I sent them that e-mail, they were difficult
with me, then I got an e-mail from them, saying that
they have canceled my account.

Now here it is a couple of months later, and they
sent me another billing, and charged my credit card.
So I went to the bank, and filled out a dispute form
to have it charged back.

GTC are crooks don't ever give them your credit card
number or they will use it and not give you any
service. GTC long distance is a scam.

www.gtctelecom.com is a crooked company.

All this, and yet I have never had any of their service.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com


Wayne Sallee wrote on 8/31/2007 11:08 PM:
> A while back someone here recommended GTC long-distance. So I signed up
> with them. But now I am telling my experience with them, and
> recommending that people not sign up with GTC long-distance.
>
> The following is the e-mail that I just now got through sending to them:
>
> ****************************
>
> Listen, you idiots. I signed up for your long distance, and you never
> switched me over to your service, and then when I called about it I was
> told that you needed to verify my information, so I said ok, and she
> proceeded to read off some stuff thinking that I would not notice what
> was being said. Then I stopped her, and asked her about the additional
> conditions that she was trying to fast-talk over, and she said that it
> was a new policy that was being added. I then told her 3 to 4 times "*I
> don't want your long distance*". And she finally said ok.
>
> I have never had your long distance, and I will not pay you anything for
> your pathetic scam. If you charge my credit card, I will have the bank
> charge it back. I already called your stupid phone number once. I am not
> going to call it again. If you people are too stupid to know what "I
> don't want your long distance" means, then that's your problem.
>
> Also I *will* tell people on the Internet about your scam.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne@WayneSallee.com
>
> helpline wrote on 8/31/2007 6:48 PM:
> > Dear Customer,
> >
> > Thank you for your email in regards to your GTC services. For the
> security
> > and verification of the account please call the Customer Care Center
> > regarding cancellation of the account at 1-800-486-4030 and the Customer
> > Care Advocate will be happy to assist you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Helpline@teamgtc.com
> > www.gtctelecom.com
> > www.mygtc.com
> >
> > ms
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Sallee
> > To: helpline@teamgtc.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:53 PM
> > Subject: [Fwd: Your myGTC account has been updated with a new invoice]
> >
> >
> > You had better not charge my credit card, or I'll have the bank
> charge it
> > back.
> >
> > Wayne Sallee
> > Wayne@WayneSallee.com
> >
> > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Your myGTC account has been
> > updated with a new invoice
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:27:21 -0700
> > From: ebills@gtctelecom.com
> > To: Wayne@WayneSallee.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your current GTC Telecom Statement for the billing account number,
> >
> >
> > is available online at https://www.mygtc.com/statements.asp for your
> review.
> > Your current credit card on file with GTC Telecom will be automatically
> > charged
> > on the date specified in your invoice for the total amount due.
> >
> > Please do not reply to this email if you require a response. We are not
> > able
> > to respond personally to messages sent to this address. If you require
> > assistance, you may contact the myGTC Helpline at helpline@teamgtc.com.
> >
> > Thank you for using GTC Telecom Online Account Services,
> >
> > GTC Telecom Billing Team
> >
> >
>


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TOPIC: More LIES From Dave Jensen
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/908bef55f5f99ded?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 8 2007 12:43 pm
From: Mark Thorson


Dave wrote:
>
> All you care about is your pharmaceutical industry boss --

Again you repeat the same LIE that you've been
repeating for months, as shown in these examples:

Here are some more examples of your LIES:

From your 8/14/07 posting:

> However, as a Pharmaceutical industry chemist, you
> SHOULD know that "Head and Neck" is a peer reviewed
> medical journal, edited by the distinguished Ehab Y.
> Hanna, MD at the University of Texas M. D. Anderson
> Cancer Center in Houston.

[Note that I am not a "Pharmaceutical industry chemist",
nor have I ever been. This is just part of Dave's
smear campaign against me.]

From your 8/3/07 posting:

> Your post was from a third tier journal, read by only
> other Pharmaceutical Chemists such as yourself.

[Note that I am not a "Pharmaceutical Chemist",
nor have I ever been. This is how Dave responds
to legitimate criticism of his crap articles.
Attack the critic, not the criticism.]

From your 8/2/07 posting:

> For one, as a pharmaceutical chemist you have some
> concept of science, but you lack credibility because
> you are simply an anonymous made-up name.

[Here we see two lies: the allegation I am a
"pharmaceutical chemist" and the allegation that
I am posting under a name other than my own.
I do not. I really am Mark Thorson.]

You don't defend your articles, because you can't.
My criticism is always on-target and backed up
by peer-reviewed science. With your limited
familiarity with the scientific literature,
you're not in a position to respond in kind.

In frustration, you lash out with childish insults and
make up lying accusations. You've gotten no support
in these newsgroups with your lies, because nobody
wants to associate themselves with such an immature
individual. You seem to be unable to perceive how
people will see your behavior.

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