Frugal Living: Nov 9, 2007

Friday, November 9, 2007

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TOPIC: What to do when the city ruins your sidewalk?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fff69264218978cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gary Heston <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> In article <fh246c$rqh$2@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the
>> trash truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we
>> compost ours, but we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it
>> appears that a very, very heavy and large truck drove up onto our
>> sidewalk where the front sidewalk becomes the side sidewalk.
>
>> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The
>> weight of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7
>> feet long sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air
>> about 5 inches. I am unable to move it by hand.

> Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to
> your property? You should do so. If it can be characterized
> as a motor vehicle accident, then the perpetrators can be
> prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is usually a felony.

Not if they didnt notice that that happened.

And the cops cant do anything about it with no ID of the vehicle involved anyway.

> Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have
> seen the truck in your yard. If there are any tracks, do
> plaster casts of them as further documentation.

No point in doing that unless the vehicle can be identified.

> You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.

Unlikely, nothing to get a grip on.

Might be feasible to jack it back to where it came from.

> If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the
> original sidewalk and having a new one poured.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:36 pm
From: "Don K"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fh246b$rqh$1@aioe.org...
> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash truck because
> garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours, but we do put trash out)
> Sometime during the day, it appears that a very, very heavy and large truck drove up
> onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk becomes the side sidewalk.
>
> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The weight of the truck
> pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long sideways about 4 inches, and
> one end is now up in the air about 5 inches. I am unable to move it by hand.

> How should we proceed? I really doubt that the city would volunteer to pay for the
> repairs if I call them and send them the pictures I took. However, now I have a
> liability that needs addressed. The mailman walks through there every day, and if he or
> someone else slips on that, it could be a real problem. I would estimate that it would
> cost $800 to $1,400 to have the section removed and a new one poured thick enough to
> resist further problems like this.

I'd contact them anyway and give it a try. Do it all by mail or email so
there is a written record. Tell them your sidewalk got damaged on pickup
day when one of the garbage trucks apparently made a wide turn and
now the sidewalk is a hazardous. You might have to work thru a couple
layers of bureaucracy before you find anyone with authority to authorize anything.

I went thru a similar exercise this spring when a asphalt ramp to my driveway
was removed when the county repaved the road. I went from the foreman of the
work crew, then to the county road dept, the road inspector, his supervisor,
and finally to the head of County Roads. Initially everyone kept saying that
they don't allow ramps on county roads. I said, fine then raise the road instead
if they'd rather. When I got the head road guy to come out and look at it, he
said that it was the worst driveway access he'd seen. Two weeks later he
sent out work crews with jackhammers, several trucks, a roller, a concrete
mixer truck, an asphalt truck, and they recontoured the road and raised
its level. It must have cost a few thousand bucks. :-)

Don

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:10 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Chloe wrote:
...
> Life isn't fair. Owning a home costs money. Fix the sidewalk. You could
> check into getting some of those sharp spikes to protect it in the future,
> but I think there may be liability issues with those, too.

You don't put up sharp spikes. You put up lamp posts, decorative
concrete, small boulders, trees... stuff like that. Anything that
a truck won't be able to drive over but doesn't look like it'll
kill stray pedestrians.

Anthony

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:10 pm
From: "Joe"

Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever posted here,
but I assure you, the question is legitimate and comes from me recently
reading the "US Army Survival Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.

On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies to treat
an intestinal problem caused by parasites:

1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and drink.
Do not repeat this treatment

Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a solution that is
absorbed by the parasites I suppose.

2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the cigarette will
kill or stun the worms long enough for your system to pass them. If the
infestation is severe, repeat the treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.

Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette once when I
was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really uncomfortable... But I guess
the parasitic infection is too.

3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady part of
your diet. You can eat them raw or put them in soups or rice and meat
dishes.

Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the Habanero or
even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?

4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If necessary,
you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no sooner.

Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I can't
imagine what kerosene tastes like... I also can't imagine that doing this
often is very good for you or your kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach,
tongue, throat, or arse.

Who tests this stuff?!?

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

> Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever posted here, but I assure you, the question is
> legitimate and comes from me recently reading the "US Army Survival Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.

Corse you would say that if you were trolling...

> On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies to treat an intestinal problem caused by
> parasites:

> 1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and drink. Do not repeat this treatment

Pointless using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a solution that is absorbed by the parasites I suppose.

Or kills them in theory, anyway.

> 2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the cigarette will kill or stun the worms long enough for
> your system to pass them. If the infestation is severe, repeat the treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.

Stupid using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette once
> when I was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really uncomfortable...
> But I guess the parasitic infection is too.

Not necessarily, some are symptom free.

> 3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady part of your diet. You can eat them raw or put them
> in soups or rice and meat dishes.

Mindlessly silly.

> Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the Habanero or even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?

> 4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If
> necessary, you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no sooner.

Even more stupid using this approach when more effective ways of
dealing with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I can't imagine what kerosene tastes like...

Not as bad, its not as volatile.

> I also can't imagine that doing this often is very good for you or your kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach, tongue,
> throat, or arse.

Yeah, its a stupid approach if the usual treatment for intestinal
parasites is available, and it always is except in the situation
that manual was written for, even in third world countrys.

And it makes a hell of a lot more sense to avoid getting intestinal parasites
in the first place by using any of the obvious ways to ensure that.

> Who tests this stuff?!?

Presumably that crap was tested at vast expense to the US taxpayer using
suckers that didnt have any real choice as far as being victims was concerned.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

martin_pentreath@hotmail.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> You should look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive#Direct_Effect

> Hello again Rod,

> Thanks for that, but I don't think you've understood it.

Corse I did. And it specifically mentions individuals, not just the state too.

> You're quite right that there's no doubt that directives have direct
> effect. The problem for anyone wishing to enforce them against
> Argos or any other private body is that they only have effect
> "vertically" (against the state), not horizontally.

It aint that black and white with your only claim.

> Read the rest of the article,

I did that, long before you ever showed up thanks.

> or any of the many links you will find if you type in "horizontal direct
> effect". The only claim available then is based on the Francovich
> principle against the member state which has failed to implement.

Wrong.

> This is not a practical remedy for a £10 battery charger.

Wrong. All you'd likely need to do is rub Argos nose
in that EU directive to see them cave in on the claim.

Or use the small claims system if they dont.

>>> Non- implemented directives are not effective against private
>>> individuals or companies, only against the state itself.
>>> I don't have long to explain, but twenty seconds in google found
>>> this in Wikipedia which mentions the "emanation of the state"
>>> doctrine (which itself comes from a case called British Gas):
>>> "Unlike Treaty provisions and regulations, directives cannot have
>>> horizontal effect (against another private individual or company),
>>> as this is adjudged contrary to the principles of equality (see
>>> Marshall v Southampton and South West Hampshire AHA (1986)).
>>> As such, Directives are currently only vertically directly effective
>>> (i.e. against the state, a concept interpreted broadly by the ECJ,
>>> including state schools and other "emanations of the state")."
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_effect

>> Irrelevant to the original sweeping claim which is, as I said, just plain wrong.

>>> There are plenty of other references on Google if you're interested.

>> Dont need them, the original sweeping claim is just plain wrong, like I said.

> Hmmmmm, well! I've just taken a glance at some of your other
> posts in the Google archive. I must apologise to you. I seem to
> be dealing with one of the sharpest legal minds on the internet.
> I can see I'm outclassed and I wish you all the best, a glittering
> career at the European Court of Justice is yours for the asking.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Thats sort of consumer claim aint about the European Court of Justice,
its about rubbing Argos nose in the directive and seeing them cave in.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:50 pm
From: "Don K"

"Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
news:DSMYi.50$qv5.17@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> Chloe wrote:

> The above link shows how it works. Savitz studied 138,905 utility workers, exposed to
> high levels of EMFs up on power poles. 151 died of brain cancer. Savitz and Dana
> Loomis published a paper saying this meant utility workers were 2.6 times more likely
> than the general population to die of brain cancer.
>
> Researcher Philip Cole said hold on, from a control group of 138,905 from general
> population, one would have expected more, 159, to die of brain cancer. Savitz said
> utility workers are so much healthier than the general population that he would have
> expected only 58 to die of brain cancer.

In other words, apply whatever fudge factor is needed to get the answer you want.

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Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:46 pm
From: "Captain AMYrica"

"Jamie" <jannghi@ihollister.net> wrote in message
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> On Nov 8, 2:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>
>> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> WTF's an FMA
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>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:05 pm
From: karen

On 9 Nov, 09:23, Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2007-11-08, Andy Champ <no....@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris Game wrote:
>
> >> I don't think that's true - the latest report seems to be April
> >> which doesn't have such a rating for Henry. Do you have a reference?
>
> > I have a web subscription. Report dated 19 Oct 2007.
>
> > "We rarely find an upright vacuum cleaner that's good at every task but
> > performance of some models is so disappointing we'd recommend all Which?
> > readers give them a miss."
>
> Typical misleading, incorrect "Which?" crap.
>
> Our Sebo X1 beats the pants off any cylinder vacuum I've ever used.
>
Seconded.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:17 pm
From: "-Lost"

Response from Erica Eshoo <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net>:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:33:04 -0600, -Lost wrote:
>> IZArc is the first compression archiver I have ever
>> seen that makes a compressed archive that is larger than the
>> original file and doesn't even include a recovery record, CRC
>> check, et cetera.
>
> Oh my. Is that true?

I first tested on a few files that could not be compressed further
and in those cases it added to the overall size. A smarter utility
would have simply archived without adding more data.

> Luckily I never use it to compress - only to decompress (and for
> that it works wonderfully). But, what good is compression if it
> doesn't compress?

Exactly. In the above cases it should have archived instead of tried
to compress.

> How do you know it creates a larger compressed file than the
> original?

By comparing the overall byte size of the files and the resulting
compressed archive. In the case of several images (4 if I remember
correctly) it added 17KB to the size. On an entire directory of
images (200+ I believe) it added almost 8 megabytes.

It was able to compress data that could be compressed but it did it
with generic ZIP compression -- not RAR.

>> So just to be clear... IZArc cannot create RAR files -- unless
>> you say it can based on the fact it can name a file with a *.rar
>> extension.
>
> If that is true, then I agree. A rar file should be whatever a rar
> file is and not just a zip file with a rar extension. That's
> pretty sly to say it creates rar files if what you say is true.

In fairness, I don't see anywhere where it says it CAN create RAR's.
Only that it supports them which is fair to say since it can
decompress them (with the aid of RAR Lab's UnRAR DLL).

> Can anyone else confirm IZArc creates rar files merely by renaming
> zip files?

To avoid confusion (and possible flames), I do not know if its EXACT
method is to create a ZIP then rename it to RAR -- I am saying that
it creates a generic ZIP file with a RAR extension.

Not too much difference but there are those who would argue
semantics.

One way you can verify this yourself is by creating a RAR file and
then actually using WinRAR to create a RAR file.

You'll notice that IZArc's RAR has the header "PK" whereas the true
RAR file will have the header "Rar!"

--
-Lost
Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
kidding. No I am not.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:19 pm
From: "-Lost"

Response from meow2222@care2.com:

> Erica Eshoo wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:33:04 -0600, -Lost wrote:
>
>> > IZArc is the first compression archiver I have ever
>> > seen that makes a compressed archive that is larger than the
>> > original file and doesn't even include a recovery record, CRC
>> > check, et cetera.
>>
>> Oh my. Is that true?
>> Luckily I never use it to compress - only to decompress (and for
>> that it works wonderfully). But, what good is compression if it
>> doesn't compress?
>
> Any compressor will do this if you tell it to compress an
> uncompressable file into a self extracting format. It has to add
> the self-extract code.

And so the issue is not confused, I did not create a self-extracting
archive. I am talking about a plain old vanilla compressed archive
(which is what I said initially).

Also, in my tests and experience the "self extract code" does not
increase simply because the size of the files being compressed
increases.

--
-Lost
Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
kidding. No I am not.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:20 pm
From: Dana Myers

david_huang2007@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> So, in light of all the ongoing China bashing in the mainstream US
> media, what do you think is worse? Buying (allegedly) lead-paint
> contained toys from China (even though Mattel has already admitted
> it's mainly their own fault), or eating a dangerous level on a daily
> basis and on a mass-scale of US-made, slaughtered beef by Cargill, a
> US-based company?

It's well-known that processing of beef runs the risk of E. Coli.
taint, which is why there are organizations and programs in place
to monitor it. Cargill did not intentionally introduce E. Coli.
into ground beef and has taken action to correct it.

This is in sharp contrast to the repeated issues of Chinese
food taint. It was not an accident when melamine was ground
into rice protein - this was an intentional act.

The Aqua Dots toy recall highlights the same disregard for
product safety in pursuit of greater profit, quoting from an
Associated Press article published in the San Francisco
Chronicle (article link: http://tinyurl.com/2ou9ae):

"According to a product description, the toys were supposed
to be coated with 1,5-pentanediol, a nontoxic compound found
in glue, but instead contained 1,4-butanediol, a potentially
harmful chemical widely used in cleaners and plastics."

and further:

There is a significant difference in price between the two
chemicals. The Chinese online trading platform ChemNet China
lists the price of 1,4 butanediol at between about $1,350-$2,800
per metric ton, while the price for 1,5-pentanediol is about
$9,700 per metric ton.

Someone clearly went to a bit of trouble to substitute a cheaper
toxic chemical at the Chinese factory where these toys were made
and figured it was only wrong if they were caught.

Cargill clearly did not intend to ship E. Coli. tainted meat, but
the incidents of Chinese product taint are not accidents.

Dana

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:22 pm
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 3:49 pm
From: "TKelly"

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> Get the facts about breast cancer with a free at-home Breast Cancer
> Awareness Kit and informational guide. Knowledge is power.
>
> --

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emotional topics to increase visitors to your website?
Most people are well aware of how to check for irregularities, a lot of info
is given out in schools, colleges and by doctors. There are plenty of FREE
resources available. People need to stop being embarrassed as not checking
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not all about women you know.
They don't need your SPAM.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 4:03 pm
From: clams casino

TKelly wrote:

><unavailable@protected.email> wrote in message
>news:od4Zi.773$qv5.443@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>>Get the facts about breast cancer with a free at-home Breast Cancer
>>Awareness Kit and informational guide. Knowledge is power.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>
>Why not post the link to the offer instead of spamming the newsgroups with
>emotional topics to increase visitors to your website?
>Most people are well aware of how to check for irregularities, a lot of info
>is given out in schools, colleges and by doctors. There are plenty of FREE
>resources available. People need to stop being embarrassed as not checking
>might kill them one day. The same goes for men and testicular cancer - it's
>not all about women you know.
>They don't need your SPAM.
>
>
>
>
Complaints to Bellsouth may actually be working.

The original posting is no longer appearing in my reader. Hopefully
this spammer (unavailable@protected.email) will lose their account.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

martin_pentreath@hotmail.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> martin_pentre...@hotmail.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Anthony R. Gold <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote

>>>>> but of course all directives are toothless without enacting national legislation.

>>>> Wrong.

>>> Well I seem to recall that directives are directly
>>> effective against "emanations of the state".

>> Wrong.

> We're going a bit off-topic,

Nope.

> and I hate to undermine people with such cast-iron conviction,

You wouldnt know what a cast iron conviction was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> but look up "horizontal direct effect".

You should look up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive#Direct_Effect

> Non- implemented directives are not effective against private
> individuals or companies, only against the state itself.

> I don't have long to explain, but twenty seconds in google found
> this in Wikipedia which mentions the "emanation of the state"
> doctrine (which itself comes from a case called British Gas):

> "Unlike Treaty provisions and regulations, directives cannot have
> horizontal effect (against another private individual or company),
> as this is adjudged contrary to the principles of equality (see
> Marshall v Southampton and South West Hampshire AHA (1986)).
> As such, Directives are currently only vertically directly effective
> (i.e. against the state, a concept interpreted broadly by the ECJ,
> including state schools and other "emanations of the state")."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_effect

Irrelevant to the original sweeping claim which is, as I said, just plain wrong.

> There are plenty of other references on Google if you're interested.

Dont need them, the original sweeping claim is just plain wrong, like I said.

>>> Argos may look and work like a benefits office,
>>> but it's nothing to do with the government as yet.

>> You did manage to get that bit right, likely by accident.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 2:59 pm
From: rainandsnow

Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5phnr5Fr2bdcU1@mid.individual.net...
>> we are the robots wrote:
>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and haven't
>>> got the receipt.
>>> Works every time!
>>
>>
>> But that is lying.
>
> As is saying you have no right to a replacement, which is the blanket
> statement from the likes of Argos.

Good point, but is it possible that the person at Argos saying that may
believe it to be true?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 5:47 pm
From: martin_pentreath@hotmail.com

On 9 Nov, 21:36, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

> You should look uphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive#Direct_Effect

Hello again Rod,

Thanks for that, but I don't think you've understood it. You're quite
right that there's no doubt that directives have direct effect. The
problem for anyone wishing to enforce them against Argos or any other
private body is that they only have effect "vertically" (against the
state), not horizontally. Read the rest of the article, or any of the
many links you will find if you type in "horizontal direct effect".
The only claim available then is based on the Francovich principle
against the member state which has failed to implement. This is not a
practical remedy for a £10 battery charger.

> > Non- implemented directives are not effective against private
> > individuals or companies, only against the state itself.
> > I don't have long to explain, but twenty seconds in google found
> > this in Wikipedia which mentions the "emanation of the state"
> > doctrine (which itself comes from a case called British Gas):
> > "Unlike Treaty provisions and regulations, directives cannot have
> > horizontal effect (against another private individual or company),
> > as this is adjudged contrary to the principles of equality (see
> > Marshall v Southampton and South West Hampshire AHA (1986)).
> > As such, Directives are currently only vertically directly effective
> > (i.e. against the state, a concept interpreted broadly by the ECJ,
> > including state schools and other "emanations of the state")."
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_effect
>
> Irrelevant to the original sweeping claim which is, as I said, just plain wrong.
>
> > There are plenty of other references on Google if you're interested.
>
> Dont need them, the original sweeping claim is just plain wrong, like I said.

Hmmmmm, well! I've just taken a glance at some of your other posts in
the Google archive. I must apologise to you. I seem to be dealing with
one of the sharpest legal minds on the internet. I can see I'm
outclassed and I wish you all the best, a glittering career at the
European Court of Justice is yours for the asking.

Cheers!

Martin

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 1:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Winston Smith, American Patriot <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote

> I returned to the United States after over more than a dozen years abroad.

> So I can be forgiven for not knowing what product/
> product maker to avoid and to whom to turn.

> I signed up with a mobile telephony carrier (Metro PCS) after an
> extensive determination that they would provide international
> connections to one city I needed service to (Ankara, Turkey) for 5
> cents per minute, the best I have found. And the service is pretty
> good.

> Unfortunately, I can say nothing of the kind for the telephone I
> bought from carrier. It is bad enough that the phones are generally
> tied to the carriers, which is NOT the case for the rest of the
> planet...it is amazing that in the country (the United States) that
> proclaims to be the place where you are given many choices, you are
> NOT allowed to choose phones and carriers separately, whereas on the
> rest of the planet, you can choose your phone separately from your carrier.

You can do that in the US too if you want to.

> Anyway, the phone I bought was a $99 UTStarcom 7xxx or something
> forgettable. I don't mind so much the $99: the carrier had a
> "first-month free" sign up and so obviously the cost was figured in
> to the purchase of the phone. My main complaint is that the
> rechargeable battery lasts only 24-36 hours, and that is with no use
> whatsoever. The word "pathetic" does not even begin to describe the
> software interface and presentation of display. I imagine that after
> rummaging around Nokia's trash cans that the engineers found the
> design schematics to Nokia's first prototypes of a mobile telephone
> and then put them into their phone. Sort of like someone making a
> pulse rotary dial analog phone in a digital age.

> I was not trying to buy the cheapest mobile telephone. In fact it
> was probably the 2nd or 3rd cheapest. I rather figure that there
> is something to the notion that MORE OFTEN THAN NOT that the
> quality of a product is proportional to the cost of the product.

> Take-home message: Do I recommend you not buy a single product from
> UTStarcom? I most certainly do recommend that you do NOT buy a single
> product from UT Starcom, inasmuch as I have made the decision not to
> buy from them in the future. Does anyone have a different view?

Yep, it makes a lot more sense to research the phone before buying what you need.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 2:55 pm
From: "Don K"

"E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:fh149i$njm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> Don K wrote:
>>> If it's an analog phone, that would explain the static.
>>> Not all 5.8GHz phones are digital or spread-spectrum.
>>
>> I have a Panasonic KX-TG5240, which is a 5.8 GHz digital spread-spectrum
>> phone. A few years ago, I spent well over $100 for it (maybe even $150)
>> and I took good performance for granted.
>>
>
> Thanks to you and Don. I got a Panasonic KX-TG6051. It's a lot cheaper than the old
> 5240, and it's the best cordless phone I can remember using. Most of all I love the
> clarity, which makes conversation a pleasure. In several hours of conversation with six
> people or more, I haven't been in doubt about a single word. I have to watch out for
> background noise with some callers because the volume can't be turned up much, but I'll
> take clarity over volume any day. It's far less distorted than a five-year-old Panasonic
> belonging to relatives.

I'm glad to hear it worked out well for you. I have the KX-TG5653, which
is very similar to what you bought. Previously I had posted the model number
of the remote phone which is near the computer.

You can get all the volume you need, just by pressing the speakerphone
button!

> I like the features, too. It doesn't have to have the clock reset in case of a power
> failure and the ringers on the base and handset can be set loud enough to be sure I
> don't miss a call. It has a place to string a cord, which won't snap like a belt clip.

Another feature I like is the ability to update the phone book from
any extension.

> I'm glad I bought it although I can't say it's better than competing brands.

I don't know how it compares to all others either, but I do think it's the
nicest phone I ever had.

Don

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 2:49 pm
From: Rick

OhioGuy wrote:
>
> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash
> truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours, but
> we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it appears that a very, very
> heavy and large truck drove up onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk
> becomes the side sidewalk.
>
> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The weight
> of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long
> sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air about 5 inches. I
> am unable to move it by hand.
>
> <snip>
>
> Anyway, we don't have any proof that the city did this, but I'm pretty
> sure they did, because Thursday is the day they go around collecting trash.
> It would take an extremely heavy truck to do this sort of thing.
>
> <snip>

And therein lies your problem. You have no proof - only an allegation.
You can't win on that. You can't id the type of truck it was, let alone
provide a license number. It could have been a trash truck. It also
could have been a moving van, a different public works vehicle, a
delivery truck, a construction vehicle, a bus...

You do have homeowner's insurance, don't you? I'd be calling by now to
find out if this is covered.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 4:53 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

"Rick" <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote in message news:4734E402.FF4A09F4@rcn.com...
> OhioGuy wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash
>> truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours,
>> but
>> we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it appears that a very,
>> very
>> heavy and large truck drove up onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk
>> becomes the side sidewalk.
>>
>> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The
>> weight
>> of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long
>> sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air about 5 inches.
>> I
>> am unable to move it by hand.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Anyway, we don't have any proof that the city did this, but I'm pretty
>> sure they did, because Thursday is the day they go around collecting
>> trash.
>> It would take an extremely heavy truck to do this sort of thing.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> And therein lies your problem. You have no proof - only an allegation.
> You can't win on that. You can't id the type of truck it was, let alone
> provide a license number. It could have been a trash truck. It also
> could have been a moving van, a different public works vehicle, a
> delivery truck, a construction vehicle, a bus...
>
> You do have homeowner's insurance, don't you? I'd be calling by now to
> find out if this is covered.

The insurance thing occurred to me but $800-$1400 is an awfully small claim
to get a CLUE rap for - it'd probably be cheaper to pay out of pocket than
absorb the premium hikes.

And if you call, you'll probably get the premium hikes whether or not it's
even claimable. I'd save the insurance for the catastrophic losses.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 5:56 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <fh246c$rqh$2@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash
>truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours, but
>we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it appears that a very, very
>heavy and large truck drove up onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk
>becomes the side sidewalk.

> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The weight
>of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long
>sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air about 5 inches. I
>am unable to move it by hand.
[ ... ]

Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to your property?
You should do so. If it can be characterized as a motor vehicle accident,
then the perpetrators can be prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is
usually a felony.

Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have seen the truck in
your yard. If there are any tracks, do plaster casts of them as further
documentation.

You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
and having a new one poured.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 5:58 pm
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FAST CASH $6 PAYPAL as seen on OPRAH

!!Quick Money!!

THIS IS INSANE!!! IT REALLY WORKS!!!

!!!!!!QUICK MONEY!!!!!! -- FAST CASH
At first I thought this was too good to be true, how wrong I was!!
I decided to give it a go, it was only 6 dollars ,so why not?
Well I was astounded!! Money has, and still is coming to my account.

As Seen On OPRAH & 20/20 - TURN $6 into $24,600! (or more, that's
just
what he made)
Earn money using PAYPAL as seen on Oprah & 20/20
THE PAYPAL $6 DOLLAR MONEY-MAKING METHOD
AS SEEN ON OPRAH EARN HUGE $$$$$$$$ Ok this is all you need:
1) An email address
2) A PayPal account
3) then POST,POST,POST,POST,POST,POST,POST,POST,POST..........

THIS IS A 2007, CURRENT EMAIL LIST
Ever since the internet became popular, the word "scam" has become
a daily term. I have never once tried any money making "system"
outside of this because of that very reason. However, after reading
reports on the validity and reputation of this money making system
(seen on Oprah, CNN, and other media forums) I gave it a try.

Only hours after implementing this exact system I about fell out of
my chair as money ACTUALLY started rolling in. I couldn't believe it
and for that reason, I became a believer in this system.?

WHAT IS IT?
The idea is that of a system that takes advantage of the power of
compounding. And in a big way, let me tell you. First and foremost
understand that there are countless spin-offs of this system that
try to make a "quick buck" off of people. Long lists, the 5 & 10
dollar trees, the birthday systems, etc... Those spin-offs do make
money because of the ease of implementation of this idea, but
they do NOT use the compounding advantage.
This system is THE legit and profitable one.

HERE IS HOW IT WORKS...
There is a list of 6 email addresses (you'll see it as you read
further).
Each of these people has already taken part in this system.

When someone new comes along (such as yourself) he/she removes #1
off of the list, moves the other five email addresses up one position
(i.e. #6 goes to #5, #5 to #4, etc.), and adds their PayPal email
address
in the 6 position.

This process is what develops the power of compounding.

The bottom line is this... Honesty and Integrity creates
Profitability.
Following this EXACT process is what creates the money,
and that is why this system has been raved about in the

Altering the system creates weak results. The legality of this system
comes from the idea that you are of course creating a mailing list,
and a "service" is being provided (more on that later.) Now on to how
your SpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpam creates BIG money...

INSTRUCTIONS:

STEP 1:The first thing to do
COPY, PASTE and SAVE this entire post in word
or notepad on your computer so you can come back to it later.

After that, if you are not already a PayPal user you need to go to
the PayPal website at https://www.paypal.com/ and SIGN UP.

To receive credit card payments from other people you must sign up
for a PREMIER or BUSINESS account (not just a PERSONAL account).
This is highly recommended to allow others easy payment options.

To place the initial $6 into your account, you will have to verify
your bank account with PAYPAL (which may take a few days).

PAYPAL is 100% secure and is used by millions of people worldwide.

STEP 2:Here is where the action occurs.
Then next send a $1.00 payment to each of the 6 email addresses
on the current list from your PayPal account. To do this quickly and
successfully, follow these simple steps:

1. Login to PayPal and click the "Send Money" tab near top of
screen

2. In the "Recipient's Email" field type: the email address
3. In the "Amount" field type: "1" (your $1.00 payment)
4. In the "Category" field select: "Service" (Keeping it
legal)
5. In the "subject" field type: "EMAIL LIST",
6. In the "message" field type: "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL
LIST".

(By doing this, you are creating a service and maintaining the
legality
of the system by "paying" for the service. )

7. Finally, click on the "Continue" button to complete the payment.

8. Repeat these steps for each of the 6 email addresses. that's it!

(By sending the $1.00 payment to each address, you are
implementing
the compounding POWER of the system. You will reap what you
sow! )

Here is the current e-mail list:
*************************************************
The email list:

1) dom-cla...@hotmail.co.uk
2) slmoor...@yahoo.com
3) long...@aapt.net.au
4) gonzag...@hotmail.com
5) Viola_Fr...@hotmail.com
6) kurtntiff@aol.com
************************************************
STEP 3:Now take the 1 email off of the list that you see above (from
your saved file), move the other addresses up (6 becomes 5,
5 becomes 4, etc.) and add YOUR email address
(the one used for your PayPal account) as number 6 on the list.

This is the only part of the document that should be changed.
** Make sure to use the email address you registered with PayPal **

STEP 4 now post new file created in STEP 3 to at least 200 newsgroups
or
message boards. Keep in mind that there are tens of thousands of
groups online!

All you need is 200, but remember the more you post
the more money you make - as well as everyone else on the list!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
I've began to see money roll in before I even hit 100 posts, but try
to
hit around 200 to allow maximum exposure. Use Netscape,
Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, or whatever your internet browser
is to search for various news groups, on-line forums, message boards,
bulletin boards, chat sites, discussions, discussion groups,
on-line communities, etc.

For example?
Log on to any search engine like yahoo.com or google.com and type
in a subject like 'MILLIONAIRE MESSAGE BOARD',MONEY MAKING
DISCUSSIONS', 'MONEY MAKING FORUMS', or 'BUSINESS MESSAGE
BOARD', etc. You will find thousands and thousands of message
boards. Click them one by one and you will find the option to post a
new message. Fill in the subject which will be the header that
everyone
sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular
group,
and post the article with the NEW list of email addresses included.
THAT'S IT!!! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and
post away. After you get the hang of it, it will take about 30
seconds
for each newsgroup.

HOW THE MONEY WORKS:
When you post 200 messages in various forums, it is estimated that
at LEAST 15 people will respond and send you a $1.00 ($15.00).
Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00
($225.00), etc. through 6 levels of email addresses. For
comprehension purposes, here is an easy viewing chart:

1) 15(1) = 15 people ($1) = $15
2) 15(15) = 225 people ($1) = $225
3) 15(225) = 3375 people ($1) = $3375
4) 15(3375) = 50625 people ($1) = $50625
5) 15(50625) = 759375 people ($1) = $759375

As you can see, your SpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpamSpam has
multiplied exponentially. What other opportunity that is as simple
as this can cash in the way this can?! I'm not going to say this is
going to make everyone over $800,000, but within a few WEEKS
you begin to see results, thanks to the speed of the internet!

When your name is no longer on the list, take the latest posting in
the newsgroups and begin the process again. Simply amazing...
Follow the system as described, and enjoy your PROFITS!!!

REMEMBER... HONESTY AND INTEGRITY = PROFITABILITY
YOUR NAME COULD CYCLE FOR A LONG TIME!

THIS MAKES IT THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.
This is excellent seed money to start or expand a business, buy
your dream home, car and pay off whatever bills you may have.
Good luck!

HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS?
Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)

Log on any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com,
excite.com, etc.,

Search with the subject "millionaire message
board; or; money making message board; or; employment
message board; or making money discussions; or; money making
forum; or; business message board; etc.
You will find thousands & thousands of message boards.

Click on them one by one and you will find the option 'post a new
message'.

Then Post this article as a 'new message' by highlighting
the text of this letter and selecting copy then paste from the edit
menu.

Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees
as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group,
click
the post message button.

You're done with your first one! It only
takes about 60 seconds to complete postings on message boards
after you catch on.

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GOOD
LUCK!!

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 5:58 pm
From: TwinsMom