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* It is said good sex is necessary for happiness - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How much power does a 120v 15A lighted switch use anyway? - 12 messages, 6
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* More wetback misery: Arizona lettuce in 23 states recalled over E. coli
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TOPIC: It is said good sex is necessary for happiness
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 11:48 am
From: JNugent
Could this be connected in any way to the foul temper and aggression that
many cyclists seem to permanently display (especially the ones who cycle
around looking for trouble with video cameras strapped to their heads)?
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TOPIC: Mexicans are parasites
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 11:48 am
From: Yer Pal Al
On May 19, 11:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > On May 18, 7:26 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yer Pal Al wrote:
> >>> On May 18, 12:51 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> The PHANTOM wrote:
> >>>>> On May 18, 8:53 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On May 18, 8:22 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:16:45 -0700, *USA* <sanj...@here.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet.
> >>>>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>> should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
> >>>>>>>> Independent.
>
> >>>>>>>>> From a California school teacher - - -
>
> >>>>>>>>> "As you listen to the news about the student protests over
> >>>>>>>>> illegal
> >>>>>>>> immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
> >>>>>>>>> I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department
> >>>>>>>>> at a
> >>>>>>>> large southern California high school which is designated a
> >>>>>>>> Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower
> >>>>>>>> socioeconomic and income levels.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High,
> >>>>>>>>> Bell
> >>>>>>>> Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are
> >>>>>>>> protesting, are also Title 1 schools.
> >>>>>>>>> Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch
> >>>>>>>>> program.
> >>>>>>>> When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and
> >>>>>>>> roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and
> >>>>>>>> juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food
> >>>>>>>> is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the
> >>>>>>>> trash uneaten.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or
> >>>>>>>>> at least
> >>>>>>>> moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones.
> >>>>>>>> The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage
> >>>>>>>> pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class
> >>>>>>>> without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters
> >>>>>>>> or having family watch their kids.
> >>>>>>>>> I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk
> >>>>>>>>> losing
> >>>>>>>> funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need
> >>>>>>>> for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up
> >>>>>>>> buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of
> >>>>>>>> which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the
> >>>>>>>> appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful
> >>>>>>>> to have a free education in America.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute
> >>>>>>>> teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant
> >>>>>>>> students, here in the country less then 3 months, who raised so
> >>>>>>>> much hell with the female teachers, calling them
> >>>>>>>> "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in
> >>>>>>>> tears.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc.,
> >>>>>>>>> etc,
> >>>>>>>> etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this
> >>>>>>>> country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
>
> >>>>>>>>> To those who want to point out how much these illegal
> >>>>>>>>> immigrants
> >>>>>>>> contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
> >>>>>>>> housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some
> >>>>>>>> time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE
> >>>>>>>> costs.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical
> >>>>>>>>> costs,
> >>>>>>>> more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
> >>>>>>>> overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Americans, We need to wake up.
>
> >>>>>>>>> It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It
> >>>>>>>>> involves an
> >>>>>>>> American third-world culture that does not value education,
> >>>>>>>> that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of
> >>>>>>>> school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American
> >>>>>>>> culture that has become so weak and worried about "political
> >>>>>>>> correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about
> >>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>> If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
> >>>>>>>>> everyone you know.
>
> >>>>>>>>> CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is
> >>>>>>>>> about?
> >>>>>>>> Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't
> >>>>>>>> want expensive produce.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs. But
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a
> >>>>>>>> myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap
> >>>>>>>> labor."
>
> >>>>>>>>> Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five
> >>>>>>>>> children. He
> >>>>>>>> takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
> >>>>>>>> dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year,
> >>>>>>>> if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income
> >>>>>>>> credit" of up to $3,200 free.
>
> >>>>>>>>> He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
> >>>>>>>>> He qualifies for food stamps.
> >>>>>>>>> He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
> >>>>>>>>> His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
> >>>>>>>>> He requires bilingual teachers and books.
> >>>>>>>>> He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
> >>>>>>>>> If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify
> >>>>>>>>> for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.
>
> >>>>>>>>> All of this is at (OUR) taxpayer's expense.
> >>>>>>>>> He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or
> >>>>>>>>> homeowners insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language
> >>>>>>>>> signs, bulletins and printed material. He and his family
> >>>>>>>>> receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left
> >>>>>>>>> after paying their bills AND his. Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
> >>>>>>>>> THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE
> >>>>>>>>> CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY.
>
> >>>>>>>>> AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD
> >>>>>>>>> REPLACE THEM.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration
> >>>>>>>>> legislation
> >>>>>>>> is to be considered in 2010. This is important to working
> >>>>>>>> Americans, our economy and our American culture and heritage..
>
> >>>>>>>>> Grace Gan
> >>>>>>>>> Ukiah Unified School District
> >>>>>>>>> 925 N. State St.
> >>>>>>>>> Ukiah, CA 95482
>
> >>>>>>> These IQ 85 invaders are an obsolete people who have been
> >>>>>>> encouraged to cross the border. They are the dregs of central
> >>>>>>> America, their homelands are glad to rid of them. Do you want
> >>>>>>> them here?
> >>>>>> That describes 95% of the white Europeans that came here...poor
> >>>>>> white trash, potato famers, religious fanatics that drove their
> >>>>>> neighbors crazy, kids coming out of their ass, a dozen at a time.
> >>>>> You mean the same white europeans that came here,worked hard
>
> >>>> Plenty of them never did work hard, and plenty of them did lots of
> >>>> crime too.
>
> >>>>> and built the best country on the planet?
>
> >>>> Pure fantasy.
>
> >>> What country is better?
>
> >> Depends on what measure you use.
>
> >> Plenty are a lot safer, with a much lower murder rate etc.
>
> >> All modern first world countrys have a better way of handling health
> >> care costs.
>
> >> Quite a few dont have a legal system that has been off the rails for
> >> centurys now.
>
> >> Etc etc etc.
>
> > Yea... Freedom sucks sometimes.
>
> Nothing to do with freedom.
Our medical system is the way it is because we are free to buy
insurance or not, pay by cash, get a CT for a headache, wait for a
scratch to get gangrenous - that's freedom.
> In fact the very high murder rate in the
> US is actually due mostly to the ex slaves and their descendants.
Wow.... When was the last time an ex-slave committed murder?
> > If you're willing to sell some of it away you can live in what you think is a better country.
>
> You have absolutely no idea what I think is a better country.
That's why I asked.
> > You didn't answer the question though.
>
> Yes I did.
>
> > What country?
>
> Depends on what measure you use, as I said.
Not the measure I use, the measure *you* use. I'd like to know
specifically what country or countries are better than the US. If you
could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 12:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Yer Pal Al wrote:
> On May 19, 11:35 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>> On May 18, 7:26 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>>> On May 18, 12:51 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 18, 8:53 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 18, 8:22 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:16:45 -0700, *USA* <sanj...@here.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
>>>>>>>>>> Independent.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From a California school teacher - - -
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "As you listen to the news about the student protests over
>>>>>>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>>>>>> immigration, there are some things that you should be aware
>>>>>>>>>> of:
>>>>>>>>>>> I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language
>>>>>>>>>>> department at a
>>>>>>>>>> large southern California high school which is designated a
>>>>>>>>>> Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower
>>>>>>>>>> socioeconomic and income levels.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>> Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are
>>>>>>>>>> protesting, are also Title 1 schools.
>>>>>>>>>>> Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch
>>>>>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>>>>> When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk
>>>>>>>>>> and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits
>>>>>>>>>> and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of
>>>>>>>>>> this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being
>>>>>>>>>> dumped in the trash uneaten.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or
>>>>>>>>>>> at least
>>>>>>>>>> moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones.
>>>>>>>>>> The school also provides day care centers for the unwed
>>>>>>>>>> teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can
>>>>>>>>>> attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange
>>>>>>>>>> for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
>>>>>>>>>>> I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk
>>>>>>>>>>> losing
>>>>>>>>>> funding for the upcoming year even though there was little
>>>>>>>>>> need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I
>>>>>>>>>> ended up buying new computers for the computer learning
>>>>>>>>>> center, half of which, one month later, have been carved
>>>>>>>>>> with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously
>>>>>>>>>> feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in
>>>>>>>>>> America.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have had to intervene several times for young and
>>>>>>>>>>> substitute
>>>>>>>>>> teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant
>>>>>>>>>> students, here in the country less then 3 months, who raised
>>>>>>>>>> so much hell with the female teachers, calling them
>>>>>>>>>> "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were
>>>>>>>>>> in tears.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc.,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>>>>>> etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in
>>>>>>>>>> this country but to demand rights, privileges and
>>>>>>>>>> entitlements?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To those who want to point out how much these illegal
>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>>>> contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener
>>>>>>>>>> and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes:
>>>>>>>>>> spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and
>>>>>>>>>> see the TRUE costs.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical
>>>>>>>>>>> costs,
>>>>>>>>>> more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
>>>>>>>>>> overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for
>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans, We need to wake up.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It
>>>>>>>>>>> involves an
>>>>>>>>>> American third-world culture that does not value education,
>>>>>>>>>> that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of
>>>>>>>>>> school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American
>>>>>>>>>> culture that has become so weak and worried about "political
>>>>>>>>>> correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this
>>>>>>>>>>> to everyone you know.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is
>>>>>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>>>> Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't
>>>>>>>>>> want expensive produce.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs. But
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a
>>>>>>>>>> myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap
>>>>>>>>>> labor."
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five
>>>>>>>>>>> children. He
>>>>>>>>>> takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
>>>>>>>>>> dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the
>>>>>>>>>> year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned
>>>>>>>>>> income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
>>>>>>>>>>> He qualifies for food stamps.
>>>>>>>>>>> He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health
>>>>>>>>>>> care. His children get free breakfasts and lunches at
>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>> He requires bilingual teachers and books.
>>>>>>>>>>> He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
>>>>>>>>>>> If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they
>>>>>>>>>>> qualify for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify for
>>>>>>>>>>> Medicare.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All of this is at (OUR) taxpayer's expense.
>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or
>>>>>>>>>>> homeowners insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language
>>>>>>>>>>> signs, bulletins and printed material. He and his family
>>>>>>>>>>> receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour
>>>>>>>>>>> left after paying their bills AND his. Cheap labor? YEAH
>>>>>>>>>>> RIGHT! THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO
>>>>>>>>>>> THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD
>>>>>>>>>>> REPLACE THEM.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration
>>>>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>>>> is to be considered in 2010. This is important to working
>>>>>>>>>> Americans, our economy and our American culture and
>>>>>>>>>> heritage..
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Grace Gan
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukiah Unified School District
>>>>>>>>>>> 925 N. State St.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukiah, CA 95482
>>
>>>>>>>>> These IQ 85 invaders are an obsolete people who have been
>>>>>>>>> encouraged to cross the border. They are the dregs of central
>>>>>>>>> America, their homelands are glad to rid of them. Do you want
>>>>>>>>> them here?
>>>>>>>> That describes 95% of the white Europeans that came here...poor
>>>>>>>> white trash, potato famers, religious fanatics that drove their
>>>>>>>> neighbors crazy, kids coming out of their ass, a dozen at a
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> You mean the same white europeans that came here,worked hard
>>
>>>>>> Plenty of them never did work hard, and plenty of them did lots
>>>>>> of crime too.
>>
>>>>>>> and built the best country on the planet?
>>
>>>>>> Pure fantasy.
>>
>>>>> What country is better?
>>
>>>> Depends on what measure you use.
>>
>>>> Plenty are a lot safer, with a much lower murder rate etc.
>>
>>>> All modern first world countrys have a better way of handling
>>>> health care costs.
>>
>>>> Quite a few dont have a legal system that has been off the rails
>>>> for centurys now.
>>
>>>> Etc etc etc.
>>
>>> Yea... Freedom sucks sometimes.
>>
>> Nothing to do with freedom.
> Our medical system is the way it is because we are free to buy insurance or not,
Lie with medicare.
> pay by cash, get a CT for a headache, wait for a scratch to get gangrenous - that's freedom.
You can do that anywhere, not just in the US.
>> In fact the very high murder rate in the US is actually
>> due mostly to the ex slaves and their descendants.
> Wow.... When was the last time an ex-slave committed murder?
One of their descendants, just minutes ago.
>>> If you're willing to sell some of it away you can live in what you think is a better country.
>> You have absolutely no idea what I think is a better country.
> That's why I asked.
But you never did say what criterion you want to use.
It isnt true of that alleged 'freedom' you made such a fool of yourself above.
>>> You didn't answer the question though.
>> Yes I did.
>>> What country?
>> Depends on what measure you use, as I said.
> Not the measure I use, the measure *you* use.
I'm not silly enough to make any such claim.
> I'd like to know specifically what country or countries are better than the US.
Like I said, that depends on what measure you use for better.
> If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?
Depends on my circumstances.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 12:56 pm
From: Jordon
Rod Speed wrote:
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>> No jobs, no illegal workers.
> You planning to jail everyone who employs an illegal to mow their
> lawn or wash the car or get some work done on the house etc too ?
Big difference. You don't put the guy that mows the lawn on the
payroll. That's like asking Joe the Plumber to see the I9's for
all of his employees.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 1:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Jordon wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>> No jobs, no illegal workers.
>> You planning to jail everyone who employs an illegal to mow their
>> lawn or wash the car or get some work done on the house etc too ?
> Big difference. You don't put the guy that mows the lawn on the payroll.
Its still a job for him.
> That's like asking Joe the Plumber to see the I9's for all of his employees.
Yes, completely impractical, which is what I was saying a bit cryptically.
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TOPIC: How much power does a 120v 15A lighted switch use anyway?
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 12:33 pm
From: Ohioguy
I noticed something funny about the neon light on my Dad's basement
light switch. When I put my finger anywhere even NEAR the tip of the
switch, the neon light appears to *JUMP* away from the end back towards
the base of the switch. I assume there is something of a charge on my
hand, and that is causing the neon gas 'plasma' or whatever you call it
to move away? I never really investigated this, but found it very
interesting.
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:18 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <798e6e20-337f-4fd9-b6d0-49a2cc71a98f@i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
keith wrote:
>On May 17, 8:53 pm, Glenda Copeland <gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
>Address.invalid> wrote:
>> Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
>> switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
>>
>> Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
>> the switch is in the off position.
>>
>> Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
>
>It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
>are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
>"fagetabooutit".
Some sort of spec sheet for several neon lamps, including NE-2H, by CML
Technologies (formerly Chicago Miniature Lamps):
http://www.cml-it.com/pdf/5-4.pdf
Design current of NE-2H is 1.9 milliamps. Multiply that by 120V and
the result is .23 watt.
In Philadelphia and nearby suburbs in Pennsylvania, that currently
amounts to 28-29 or so cents per year, likely to go up at least 10% in
January 2011, assuming 24 hour per day operation. (USA national average
would be more like 22 cents now.)
This does sound small. However, I would rather consider how much that
adds up to over the life of the neon lamp, knock it down slightly due to
paying-later while investments likely have rate-of-return exceeding
inflation in electricity cost, and consider it to be part of the switch.
Would you still buy the switch at that rate?
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:29 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <4c87d46e-ab1d-4942-8a5c-365ea52bd09f@y21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
hallerb@aol.com wrote:
>The energy used reading and responding to this post now equals more
>than the lifetime energy used by this switches lamp............
In the unlikekly event an NE-2H lamp conks out and stops conducting
after 25,000 hours at its design current of 1.9 milliamps, this amounts to
5.7 KWH for the NE-2H and its dropping resistor in 120V use. That is
equal to 1 horsepower for about 7.5 hours - I would call that at least
an order of magnitude more than reading and responding to this whole
thread so far.
The electricity consumed by the neon lamp and its dropping resistor over
the life of the neon lamp may cost under a dollar, may cost a couple to a
few dollars, depending on your electricity rates, actual life of the neon
lamp, and inflation of electricity cost. (Is that how much more you are
willing to pay on top of up-front cost for having a light in the switch?
As long as you are aware and willing to pay it...)
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Ohioguy wrote:
> I noticed something funny about the neon light on my Dad's basement
> light switch. When I put my finger anywhere even NEAR the tip of the
> switch, the neon light appears to *JUMP* away from the end back
> towards the base of the switch. I assume there is something of a
> charge on my hand, and that is causing the neon gas 'plasma' or
> whatever you call it to move away?
Most likely it isnt connected properly and thats not a problem
because the very low current gets thru the small capacitace fine.
> I never really investigated this, but found it very interesting.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:43 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <9b63d071-758b-4932-9d8f-48c7a9afe27b@v18g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
terry wrote:
>On May 18, 3:16 pm, Glenda Copeland <gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
>Address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
>> > It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
>> > are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
>> > "fagetabooutit".
>>
>> Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
>> get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.
>
>Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
>indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.
Make that .04 watts, or .04 watt-hours per hour.
>Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
>voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.
I have a lot of experience with a lighted switch at my "day job", and
it is obvious to me that the neon lamp there is a "high intensity" type,
probably C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini NE2H").
http://www.cml-it.com/pdf/5-4.pdf says design current for NE-2H is 1.9
milliamps. Multiply by 120V, that means .228 watt. Since neon lamps
don't conduct at less than 50-60V, I seem to think that average voltage
used to push electrons through from 120 VAC is closer to 130V. That would
mean closer to .25 watt.
>Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.
>
>And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
>cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
>At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
>And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
>36 cents per year.
>Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
>the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
>the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
>using electric lights, negligible!
35 cents per KWH does sound to me high. I thought Philadelphia was bad
at around 14-15 cents per KWH. Chicago and NYC are close to Philadelphia
in electricity cost as of last time I checked.
Meanwhile, I would balance lighted switches against another slice or two
of pizza per year or a few more newspapers per year.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:47 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <0450998d9826cb7fd8c8dc4c13aea604@tioat.net>, Glenda Copeland wrote:
>On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein wrote:
>
>> Figure about 1/4 watt for those, which means around 2.2 KWH per year
>> times 1/100 of the percentage of the time that the neon lamp is on.
>
>I don't understand the 1/100th the percentage (figure 98% of the time the
>switch is off so the neon bulb is on).
>
>What's the 1/100 for?
1/100 of 98 is .98. That would mean KWH per year is 2.2 times .98,
which is 2.156.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:59 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <prestwhich-337010.19175918052010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
Smitty Two wrote:
>In article <vOOdnTtRQq5q3m7WnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
>> California's power, and Arizona is pissed.
>
>If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.
I seem to think that if such a "p!$$ing contest" develops along with
ability to ship out illegal aliens, I would think that Arizona would send
them back to California, Freight Collect. Maybe along with some of their
own - especially if expelling illegal aliens from a state is legally
easier of not forcing them to cross or dragging them across an
international border.
If California gains competence and allowance at state level of
government expelling illegal aliens, it appears to me that CA would do
better to send them back outside USA as a whole. If not, I seem to think
that CA is not in really good shape to tick off AZ.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 4:04 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <5ab250b5-4689-41bd-9841-984b7dedf133@z33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Mark wrote:
>On May 18, 2:56 pm, keith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 18, 12:14 pm, Glenda Copeland <gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
>>
>> Address.invalid> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
>> > >> It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
>> > >> I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.
>>
>> > > more lumen/watt from led then neon.
>>
>> > It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.
>>
>> > What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
>> > computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?
>>
>> AM radio, close to the lamp tuned to a very weak station, maybe.
>>
>>
>>
>> > BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town! :(- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>there is NO significant RF noise radiated or conducted at all from a
>tiny NE-2 neon lamp..
>Note, we are NOT talking about neon store window signs that operate at
>25kV.
Although I agree with your point, I would like to nit-pick that the
highest common voltage for a neon sign transformer is 15 KV and most are
12KV or less, and less still when loaded down by the neon sign.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 4:12 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <Z1XIn.17955$304.385@newsfe12.iad>, Ohioguy wrote:
>
> I noticed something funny about the neon light on my Dad's basement
>light switch. When I put my finger anywhere even NEAR the tip of the
>switch, the neon light appears to *JUMP* away from the end back towards
>the base of the switch. I assume there is something of a charge on my
>hand, and that is causing the neon gas 'plasma' or whatever you call it
>to move away? I never really investigated this, but found it very
>interesting.
It is common for neon lamps to be operated with the cathode/negative
glow not completely covering an electrode. In any given glow discharge
lamp, this glow layer has some sort of natural current density in mA per
square centimeter. If the current is low enough to incompletely cover the
electrodes at that current density "rate", then the electrodes are
incompletely covered by glow.
And, it is easy to cause the glow to move around. In some neon lamps
operated with glow incompletely covering their eectrodes, the
cathode/negative glow layer even jumps around on its own. The best
example of this is "flicker flame" neon lamps.
With AC, some trace of current can flow through insulators (such as the
glass bulb) due to "capacitive coupling". Each electrode has to re-fire
60 times per second with usual AC in North America (50 times per second in
Europe). It sounds to me plausible for touching some neon lamps to cause
their glow pattern to shift.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 7:03 pm
From: Mark
>
> >there is NO significant RF noise radiated or conducted at all from a
> >tiny NE-2 neon lamp..
> >Note, we are NOT talking about neon store window signs that operate at
> >25kV.
>
> Although I agree with your point, I would like to nit-pick that the
> highest common voltage for a neon sign transformer is 15 KV and most are
> 12KV or less, and less still when loaded down by the neon sign.
>
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Don..
ok point taken...thanks :-) Mark
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 9:29 pm
From: Smitty Two
In article <slrnhv8rbf.rft.don@manx.misty.com>,
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <prestwhich-337010.19175918052010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
> Smitty Two wrote:
> >In article <vOOdnTtRQq5q3m7WnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
> >> California's power, and Arizona is pissed.
> >
> >If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.
>
> I seem to think that if such a "p!$$ing contest" develops along with
> ability to ship out illegal aliens, I would think that Arizona would send
> them back to California, Freight Collect. Maybe along with some of their
> own - especially if expelling illegal aliens from a state is legally
> easier of not forcing them to cross or dragging them across an
> international border.
>
> If California gains competence and allowance at state level of
> government expelling illegal aliens, it appears to me that CA would do
> better to send them back outside USA as a whole. If not, I seem to think
> that CA is not in really good shape to tick off AZ.
Some billionaire woman is buying herself the governorship of CA, and she
doesn't like illegal aliens anymore than AZ does.
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 12:03 am
From: David Nebenzahl
On 5/19/2010 9:29 PM Smitty Two spake thus:
> In article <slrnhv8rbf.rft.don@manx.misty.com>,
> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
>> In <prestwhich-337010.19175918052010@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
>> Smitty Two wrote:
>>
>>>In article <vOOdnTtRQq5q3m7WnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
>>>> California's power, and Arizona is pissed.
>>>
>>>If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.
>>
>> I seem to think that if such a "p!$$ing contest" develops along with
>> ability to ship out illegal aliens, I would think that Arizona would send
>> them back to California, Freight Collect. Maybe along with some of their
>> own - especially if expelling illegal aliens from a state is legally
>> easier of not forcing them to cross or dragging them across an
>> international border.
>>
>> If California gains competence and allowance at state level of
>> government expelling illegal aliens, it appears to me that CA would do
>> better to send them back outside USA as a whole. If not, I seem to think
>> that CA is not in really good shape to tick off AZ.
>
> Some billionaire woman is buying herself the governorship of CA, and she
> doesn't like illegal aliens anymore than AZ does.
You shoulda written "is *trying to buy*" the governator's seat. Meg
Whitman's popularity has plummeted from 61% to 39% since March (just saw
it on the teevee news tonight).
--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.
- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Monster Food, don't we deserve to know?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/80c7e398612cad60?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 3:06 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d48e4@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana wrote:
(In large part bashing genetically modified food)
For the past 450-plus million years, Nature has been genetically
modifying the genes of things that animals eat, fairly randomly.
I seem to think that genetic modifications done by scientists who know
somewhat what they're doing would have a lower rate of making new toxic or
dangerous strains of food plants than genetic modifications done randomly
by cosmic rays, carbon-14, potassium-40, retroviruses, and random failures
of chromosomes to replicate perfectly. Along with mating between different
species not being completely free of producing fertile offspring (an
example is the savana cat, a hybrid between species of 2 different genera.
And plants can't be convicted of bestiality for their pollen landing on
the pistils of flowers of plants of other species.)
And I certainly think that few (probably none) of the food species and
strains we ate 50 or 5,000 years ago are free of unmodified genes.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 8:46 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 19, 2:54 pm, "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
> "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:n9qdnS-MIbd7gWnWnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
> > "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> >news:ht11gk$1eg$1@news.albasani.net...
> >> The easier and more loving your childhood the greater the likelihood is
> >> that
> >> you will create your reality out of love. The stronger and more
> >> enlightened
> >> your father, the easier it would have been for your mother to step into
> >> her
> >> feminine/mother reality. You have to remember that what we speak of this
> >> night is about your imprinting, so the stronger your father was the more
> >> likely the Sun is going to shine in your life. Perhaps not, you will be
> >> suckered in to giving all your money and possessions away.
>
> > What the fuck is _this_ bullshit? Perhaps you should've just written in
> > your diary, and left everyone else alone.
>
> You have allowed yourself to become too negative and have aligned with the
> Dark Forces, I feel sorry for your family.
>
> Allow yourself to connect to Mother Earth through the soles of your feet
> and your base chokers. Imagine there is a beautiful pink heart at the censer
> of Mother Earth and see that pink heart beating, let the feelings in your
> body come and go in true Latin style. Let the feelings come and go. Allow
> yourselves to descend into this beautiful pink heart at the middle of mother
> earth. Allow yourselves to soak up this beautiful pink light in the middle
> of this beautiful pink heart, for the pink is the energy of the mother.
> Allow yourselves to soak up this pink light becoming like a sponge just
> soaking up the beautiful pink light and handing over to Mother Earth any
> issues you may have with your own mother, any issue that you know about and
> any that you don't know about. Allow the love of Mother Earth to flow.
Aren't we supposed to go naked to absorb all the energy of the cosmos?
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 8:52 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 19, 6:06 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d4...@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana wrote:
>
> (In large part bashing genetically modified food)
>
> For the past 450-plus million years, Nature has been genetically
> modifying the genes of things that animals eat, fairly randomly.
You are wrong. I'm bashing the stupidity of the Christians who are
ready to take GMOs in their own body, but go berserk about cloning a
sheep.
What if they clone a sheep with a monkey!?
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 9:26 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 20, 12:07 am, "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of QuixoticEnterprises" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:43ac4dd6-d205-4b33-98f9-3d77db5451a8@i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
> On May 19, 2:54 pm, "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:n9qdnS-MIbd7gWnWnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
> > > "dannas" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> > >news:ht11gk$1eg$1@news.albasani.net...
> > >> The easier and more loving your childhood the greater the likelihood is
> > >> that
> > >> you will create your reality out of love. The stronger and more
> > >> enlightened
> > >> your father, the easier it would have been for your mother to step into
> > >> her
> > >> feminine/mother reality. You have to remember that what we speak of
> > >> this
> > >> night is about your imprinting, so the stronger your father was the
> > >> more
> > >> likely the Sun is going to shine in your life. Perhaps not, you will be
> > >> suckered in to giving all your money and possessions away.
>
> > > What the fuck is _this_ bullshit? Perhaps you should've just written in
> > > your diary, and left everyone else alone.
>
> > You have allowed yourself to become too negative and have aligned with the
> > Dark Forces, I feel sorry for your family.
>
> > Allow yourself to connect to Mother Earth through the soles of your feet
> > and your base chokers. Imagine there is a beautiful pink heart at the
> > censer
> > of Mother Earth and see that pink heart beating, let the feelings in your
> > body come and go in true Latin style. Let the feelings come and go. Allow
> > yourselves to descend into this beautiful pink heart at the middle of
> > mother
> > earth. Allow yourselves to soak up this beautiful pink light in the middle
> > of this beautiful pink heart, for the pink is the energy of the mother.
> > Allow yourselves to soak up this pink light becoming like a sponge just
> > soaking up the beautiful pink light and handing over to Mother Earth any
> > issues you may have with your own mother, any issue that you know about
> > and
> > any that you don't know about. Allow the love of Mother Earth to flow.
>
> Aren't we supposed to go naked to absorb all the energy of the cosmos?
>
>
>
> It is not for monkeys, they are lower lifeforms.
>
> It's wonderful to be here this night in the new earth. There are many many
> changes coming to this planet. A whole new world is coming, there will be
> big big changes here in Latin America; Latin America can be best described
> as a bottle of champagne and the silver paper around the top of the bottle
> has not been opened yet and the cork has not been popped yet. I know what
> the changes are and you do not.
Listen baby, I know what's coming for Latin America...
I'm Comandante Banana and the Banana Revolution is custom made for
Latin America. We will go back to 1492 and go naked like the Indians
in the Jungle.
Q: What solution do you offer?
A: We offer the best of what we had back in 1492: the beautiful
nature, etc.
Q: You wouldn't be referring to nudism and all that, do you?
A: I've never thought about that. But, on second thought, it wouldn't
be a bad idea that our MULATAS could show the... Shit, you make wander
from the subject!
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote9
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 9:37 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On May 20, 12:21 am, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19 Mei, 21:57, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > (The Christians don't know, and probably won't want to know about
> > GMO's. Meanwhile they are generally opposed to cloning a sheep,
> > shaping the policies on stem research... Who's being the sheep?)
>
> > "67% felt that cloning animals, such as sheep, was a bad idea."
>
> >http://www.religioustolerance.org/clo_reac.htm
>
> > ***
>
> > This all must be very confusing for the mind of the sheep. ;)
>
> > On May 19, 8:35 am, default <defa...@defaulter.net> wrote:
>
> > > The "media" has an agenda. Was it a fluke that one of Rupert
> > > Murdoch's rags associate a Supreme Court nominee with lesbianism?
> > > She's over 40 and unmarried (strike one), She's pictured playing
> > > softball (strike two) - then if you still didn't get it, the facing
> > > page also contains a column about lesbians, combined with a article
> > > specifically linking the two.
>
> > > I don't know: liberal-conservative, left-right, Republican-Democrat -
> > > I do, however, believe that the media gives favorable treatment to
> > > large corporate interests and that often enough means
> > > anti-environment, anti-democracy, anti-minority (while mindful of
> > > political correctness, or better stated, political expediency).
>
> > > Religion politics, and corporate interests, often seem to work hand in
> > > hand to keep the masses sedated and fleeced. Not a "conspiracy," I'm
> > > sure, but indistinguishable from one (most days).
>
> > > You are no doubt watching how the gulf oil spill is playing out in the
> > > media, congress and the tree hugger organizations? Are you able to
> > > learn, or are you just believing in what you are being told to
> > > believe? Plenty of hype innuendo and spin with the biggest corporate
> > > moguls on the planet lining up to tell us how it isn't their fault.
> > > --
>
> > Consider the role of the media when we are eating all that monster
> > food called "GMO's," which in Europe is banned. Or consider the role
> > of the media on the War on Drugs, and you'll understand their silence
> > is as important or more than what they report.
>
> > ***
>
> > In Korea though they reject this monster food with full riots....
>
> > Genetically modified crops: 'Monster food' or a big step to feeding
> > the world's hungry?
>
> > While hungry people from Haiti to Somalia rioted this month over food
> > shortages and price increases, South Koreans protested the arrival of
> > 63,000 tons of grain at their ports.
>
> Koreans are nut people.
> Lots of them become Christians thinking Jewish god is theirs as well.
> They even engage foreigners to change their own language which was
> based on Chinese.
> This says much about their mentality as a race.
They seem to be as wise as Americans who also believe a Jew died for
them.
But they are more rebellious and make scooters and little cars instead
of Stupid Unnecessary Vehicles.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 7:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
As the wheel of history turns, things often remain the same. Such are
the conditions in the meat packing industry in 1906 when 'The Jungle'
was written and in 2010 when powerful corporations decide what's safe
for you and don't even inform you because you are 'too stupid' to make
an informed decision. WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE!
The Jungle
The novel's title symbolizes the competitive nature of capitalism; the
world of Packingtown is like a Darwinian jungle, in which the strong
prey on the weak and all living things are engaged in a brutal, amoral
fight for survival. The title of the novel draws attention
specifically to the doctrine of Social Darwinism, an idea used by some
nineteenth-century thinkers to justify the abuses of wealthy
capitalists. This idea essentially held that society was designed to
reward the strongest, best people, while inferior people were kept
down at a suitable level. By relating the story of a group of honest,
hardworking immigrants who are destroyed by corruption and evil,
Sinclair tries to rebut the idea of Social Darwinism, implying that
those who succeed in the capitalist system are not the best of
humankind but rather the worst and most corrupt of all.
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/jungle/themes.html
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, May 20 2010 8:59 am
From: "Bob F"
Don Klipstein wrote:
> In <17e357b9-7bf8-43c1-b880-916fcc3d48e4@u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana wrote:
>
> (In large part bashing genetically modified food)
>
> For the past 450-plus million years, Nature has been genetically
> modifying the genes of things that animals eat, fairly randomly.
>
> I seem to think that genetic modifications done by scientists who
> know somewhat what they're doing would have a lower rate of making
> new toxic or dangerous strains of food plants than genetic
> modifications done randomly by cosmic rays, carbon-14, potassium-40,
> retroviruses, and random failures of chromosomes to replicate
> perfectly. Along with mating between different species not being
> completely free of producing fertile offspring (an example is the
> savana cat, a hybrid between species of 2 different genera. And
> plants can't be convicted of bestiality for their pollen landing on
> the pistils of flowers of plants of other species.)
>
> And I certainly think that few (probably none) of the food species
> and strains we ate 50 or 5,000 years ago are free of unmodified genes.
As long as the food is labeled as GM, and properly tested for health risks and
nutrition, OK.
We have hundreds of years of knowledge about the safety of non-GM varieties. Who
knows what the long term effect of BT corn or Roundup treated GM crops will be?
Shouldn't we at least have the option to not buy them if we choose?
==============================================================================
TOPIC: More wetback misery: Arizona lettuce in 23 states recalled over E. coli
fears
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/aca579a09a8230a4?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 7:47 pm
From: Buster Norris
On Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
<ostap_bender_1900@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 16, 11:34 pm, Ostap Bender <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On May 16, 8:51 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 16 May 2010 01:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >On May 16, 12:06 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 02:42:03 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >On May 14, 11:02 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 20:33:10 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >On May 13, 8:27 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 21:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >On May 12, 8:01 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >On May 12, 11:50 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:31:03 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >On May 9, 10:10 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 9 May 2010 16:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 7, 6:25 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob®
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 7, 7:44 am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 7, 5:41 am, Jose@Casa_Mierda wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Shredded romaine, 'grab and go' salads linked to 19 cases of the illness
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37005016/
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They crap where they work.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So do the rest of us.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're a greaser? Thought so.....................
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The difference is that OUR employers are
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >required to provide proper facilities.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They have port-a-potties out in the fields. They don't use them. They
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shit in their pants because they're greaser animals!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You are a dumbass for blaming
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the workers instead of the employers.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I blame the employers for not hiring snipers to shoot greasers who
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shit in their pants!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >So, what you are saying is that the management knew that their
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >employees were shitting into the lettuce but because they had no
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >snipers, they allowed the shit-full lettuce to go out to the
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers? Or that the management doesn't pay any attention as to what
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >happens to their lettuce in the first place?
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, Logan, what I really said was the dump you live in suggests that
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> you eat a lot government cheese so you should balance you diet by
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> eating as much lettuce as possible.................................
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Host: c-71-202-147-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> LOGAN HANSON
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> 261 Topaz St
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Redwood City, CA 94062
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=37.4742++...
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/37nlab5
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >Are you trying to figure out my street address from my Comcast's IP
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >address? Nice try but no cigar: I am not LOGAN HANSON and I don't live
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >at 261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> > And my cheese today is
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >buffalo mozzarella from the Naples region.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> No, your cheese is Fromunda............
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >What is this thing? A bot?
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> Logan is kinda of a faggot name..............
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >> >Most likely, your LOGAN HANSON is a female, you idiot. Call her and
>> > >> >> >> >ask. Can you dig up her number?
>>
>> > >> >> >> Sucker.............. Julie.............
>>
>> > >> >> >> HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> >What does all this drivel mean? Who is Julie?
>>
>> > >> >> You're Julie.....
>>
>> > >> >What's Julie's last name, genius?
>>
>> > >> Look on your driver's license...............
>>
>> > >Well, how do you know that the new occupant at 261 Topaz St, Redwood
>> > >City, CA 94062 is named Julie
>>
>> > Because the telephone is in her/your name..............
>>
>> The telephone is in the name of "Julia"? Just "Julia"? No last name?
>>
>> And what is the phone number? This is very interesting. Where are you
>> getting these data?
>>
>> > >and that she is the only person living
>> > >there?
>>
>> > Its not possible to know that completely...........
>>
>> > For all I know you keep 34 greasers in that little detached white
>> > garage next to the little white shack-like house???
>>
>> Then how can you be sure that I am Julia and not one of the other 33
>> "greasers"? Comprende, amigo? :-)
>>
>> > > And if you know all this - how can you not know her last name?
>>
>> > Did I say I didn't know it? Nope, I didn't say I didn't
>> > know........... I just didn't tell you.............
>>
>> Why? Sudden bouts of modesty and decency?
>>
>>
>>
>> > >> >> > Who is Logan Hanson?
>>
>> > >> >> Probably the person who lived there before you............
>>
>> > >> >You mean at "261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062"? So, you think
>> > >> >that IP addresses are attached to street addresses?
>>
>> > >> Some are.
>>
>> > >Really?! How? Tell me more.
>>
>> > No thanks, I'm busy and you have a bunch of lettuce to eat and an hour
>> > on that tread climber!!!!!
>>
>> > > When I turn off my modem for more than 3
>> > >hours, my cable company - Comcast - releases my IP address, and I get
>> > >assigned a new IP address. In fact, for privacy reasons I change my IP
>> > >addresses every couple of weeks or so.
>>
>> > You change your IP? Then change it today or Monday BEFORE your next
>> > post.................
>>
>> Hmmmm. I will do it before going to sleep tonight if I don't forget.
>>
>> > >Tell me how it can be that one person would move out of her house and
>> > >return her Comcast equipment, then another person would move in, get
>> > >her new Comcast equipment - and still keep the same IP address?
>>
>> > I doubt that happened...............
>>
>> Well, if you tell me how and from where you have "deduced" that I live
>> at 261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062, that my name is "LOGAN
>> HANSON" and "Julia", I'll be able to tell what's going on. Since I do
>> live within 5 miles of Topaz St., I am all ears.
>>
>>
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> >> >at .
>>
>> > >> > Each house has its
>> > >> >own fixed IP address?
>>
>> > >> Nope, it doesn't work that way...........
>>
>> > >> >You are not familiar with how IP addresses work, genius, are you?
>>
>> > >> Yep, I am.....................
>>
>> > >>> You are not familiar with how IP addresses work, genius, are you? You
>> > >>> must be one of those Republican Senators who think that the Internet
>> > >>> is a "series of tubes":
>>
>> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
>>
>> > >> Poor Julie................
>>
>> > >> >> >What do you want from me?
>>
>> > >> >> Nothing at all.
>>
>> > >> >> >Do you need a doctor?
>>
>> > >> >> Nope.
>>
>> > >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > >> >> Enjoy your lettuce, bitch!
>>
>> > >Go back to fucking your younger brother/uncle, hillbilly.
>>
>> > Poor fat girl Julie......... The "tough guy" thing doesn't work NOW
>> > does it, JULIE??????????
>>
>> > HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> > Remember, one hour on the stairclimber, every day!!! Eat that
>> > lettuce!!!
>>
>> > HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Gesundheit!
>
>OK. As promised, I released my previous IP address and received a new
>one. So, in what name and street address is this new IP address listed
>in your book?
The book say "Julie, 26-years old, 280#, 5'5", eat more lettuce, get
on that treadmill!"
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 19 2010 9:12 pm
From: Ostap Bender
On May 19, 7:47 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
>
>
> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 11:34 pm, Ostap Bender <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On May 16, 8:51 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Sun, 16 May 2010 01:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >On May 16, 12:06 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 02:42:03 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >On May 14, 11:02 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 20:33:10 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >On May 13, 8:27 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 21:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >On May 12, 8:01 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >On May 12, 11:50 am, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:31:03 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >On May 9, 10:10 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 9 May 2010 16:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Ostap Bender
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <ostap_bender_1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 7, 6:25 pm, Buster Norris <Bus...@Buster.Com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT), Food Snob®
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On May 7, 7:44 am, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 7, 5:41 am, Jose@Casa_Mierda wrote:
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Shredded romaine, 'grab and go' salads linked to 19 cases of the illness
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37005016/
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They crap where they work.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So do the rest of us.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're a greaser? Thought so.....................
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The difference is that OUR employers are
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >required to provide proper facilities.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They have port-a-potties out in the fields. They don't use them. They
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shit in their pants because they're greaser animals!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You are a dumbass for blaming
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the workers instead of the employers.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I blame the employers for not hiring snipers to shoot greasers who
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> shit in their pants!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >So, what you are saying is that the management knew that their
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >employees were shitting into the lettuce but because they had no
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >snipers, they allowed the shit-full lettuce to go out to the
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers? Or that the management doesn't pay any attention as to what
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >happens to their lettuce in the first place?
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, Logan, what I really said was the dump you live in suggests that
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> you eat a lot government cheese so you should balance you diet by
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> eating as much lettuce as possible.................................
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Host: c-71-202-147-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> LOGAN HANSON
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> 261 Topaz St
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Redwood City, CA 94062
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=37.4742++...
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/37nlab5
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Are you trying to figure out my street address from my Comcast's IP
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >address? Nice try but no cigar: I am not LOGAN HANSON and I don't live
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >at 261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > And my cheese today is
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >buffalo mozzarella from the Naples region.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> No, your cheese is Fromunda............
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >What is this thing? A bot?
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> Logan is kinda of a faggot name..............
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >> >Most likely, your LOGAN HANSON is a female, you idiot. Call her and
> >> > >> >> >> >ask. Can you dig up her number?
>
> >> > >> >> >> Sucker.............. Julie.............
>
> >> > >> >> >> HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> >What does all this drivel mean? Who is Julie?
>
> >> > >> >> You're Julie.....
>
> >> > >> >What's Julie's last name, genius?
>
> >> > >> Look on your driver's license...............
>
> >> > >Well, how do you know that the new occupant at 261 Topaz St, Redwood
> >> > >City, CA 94062 is named Julie
>
> >> > Because the telephone is in her/your name..............
>
> >> The telephone is in the name of "Julia"? Just "Julia"? No last name?
>
> >> And what is the phone number? This is very interesting. Where are you
> >> getting these data?
>
> >> > >and that she is the only person living
> >> > >there?
>
> >> > Its not possible to know that completely...........
>
> >> > For all I know you keep 34 greasers in that little detached white
> >> > garage next to the little white shack-like house???
>
> >> Then how can you be sure that I am Julia and not one of the other 33
> >> "greasers"? Comprende, amigo? :-)
>
> >> > > And if you know all this - how can you not know her last name?
>
> >> > Did I say I didn't know it? Nope, I didn't say I didn't
> >> > know........... I just didn't tell you.............
>
> >> Why? Sudden bouts of modesty and decency?
>
> >> > >> >> > Who is Logan Hanson?
>
> >> > >> >> Probably the person who lived there before you............
>
> >> > >> >You mean at "261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062"? So, you think
> >> > >> >that IP addresses are attached to street addresses?
>
> >> > >> Some are.
>
> >> > >Really?! How? Tell me more.
>
> >> > No thanks, I'm busy and you have a bunch of lettuce to eat and an hour
> >> > on that tread climber!!!!!
>
> >> > > When I turn off my modem for more than 3
> >> > >hours, my cable company - Comcast - releases my IP address, and I get
> >> > >assigned a new IP address. In fact, for privacy reasons I change my IP
> >> > >addresses every couple of weeks or so.
>
> >> > You change your IP? Then change it today or Monday BEFORE your next
> >> > post.................
>
> >> Hmmmm. I will do it before going to sleep tonight if I don't forget.
>
> >> > >Tell me how it can be that one person would move out of her house and
> >> > >return her Comcast equipment, then another person would move in, get
> >> > >her new Comcast equipment - and still keep the same IP address?
>
> >> > I doubt that happened...............
>
> >> Well, if you tell me how and from where you have "deduced" that I live
> >> at 261 Topaz St, Redwood City, CA 94062, that my name is "LOGAN
> >> HANSON" and "Julia", I'll be able to tell what's going on. Since I do
> >> live within 5 miles of Topaz St., I am all ears.
>
> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >at .
>
> >> > >> > Each house has its
> >> > >> >own fixed IP address?
>
> >> > >> Nope, it doesn't work that way...........
>
> >> > >> >You are not familiar with how IP addresses work, genius, are you?
>
> >> > >> Yep, I am.....................
>
> >> > >>> You are not familiar with how IP addresses work, genius, are you? You
> >> > >>> must be one of those Republican Senators who think that the Internet
> >> > >>> is a "series of tubes":
>
> >> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
>
> >> > >> Poor Julie................
>
> >> > >> >> >What do you want from me?
>
> >> > >> >> Nothing at all.
>
> >> > >> >> >Do you need a doctor?
>
> >> > >> >> Nope.
>
> >> > >> >> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > >> >> Enjoy your lettuce, bitch!
>
> >> > >Go back to fucking your younger brother/uncle, hillbilly.
>
> >> > Poor fat girl Julie......... The "tough guy" thing doesn't work NOW
> >> > does it, JULIE??????????
>
> >> > HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > Remember, one hour on the stairclimber, every day!!! Eat that
> >> > lettuce!!!
>
> >> > HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> Gesundheit!
>
> >OK. As promised, I released my previous IP address and received a new
> >one. So, in what name and street address is this new IP address listed
> >in your book?
>
> The book say "Julie, 26-years old, 280#, 5'5", eat more lettuce, get
> on that treadmill!"
I wish I were 26.
Let me repeat: my IP address has changed. Under what name does my NEW
IP address go in your book?
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