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TOPIC: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 1:39 pm
From: "sam"
h wrote:
> "Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
> news:slrng12a9m.dk4.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In article <4810d69e$0$30157$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>>
>>> "George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat.
>>>>>> Sam's Club
>>>>>> is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
>>>>>> cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either
>>>>> at the
>>>>> local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other
>>>>> type of rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were
>>>>> empty of rice as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans
>>>>> though, LOL. Rice prices are very high and if I'm not mistaken,
>>>>> it has already triple for the year.
>>>> What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food
>>>> (corn, grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going
>>>> without planning where that extra food will come from. At least we
>>>> have alternatives here.
>>>> How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food
>>>> but we
>>>> bought it to make ethanol?
>>>
>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
>>> grains, corn,
>>> and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't
>>> imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>>
>> The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand
>> for livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers
>> from the decline of the low carb craze.
> Wow. Eating a healthy diet is now a "craze"? You are aware that the hog fattening diet is exactly the same as the
> USDA's food pyramid except for one more serving of grain, right?
Pig ignorant lie. There is no meat in the hog fattening diet. No veg either.
> Yeah, eating grain is good for you. Right. That's why so many Americans are orca fat.
Nope, the problem is the amount of it they shovel into their mouths, not the detail of the form its in.
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 2:08 pm
From: Kurt Ullman
In article <67etoeF1v1s8pU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> HeyBub <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > aspasia wrote:
>
> >> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
> >> agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
> >> contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
> >> ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
> >> now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
> >> the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
> >> standard food, like wheat bread in the States.
>
> > There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>
> Wrong.
Name one, if you would be so kind. I can't think of any.
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 2:12 pm
From: "Dave Bugg"
Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <67etoeF1v1s8pU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> HeyBub <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> aspasia wrote:
>>
>>>> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by
>>>> influential agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states,
>>>> shoveling out their contributions to our beloved Congress-whores.
>>>> They did not care what ripple effects this would create in the
>>>> Third World, where people are now starving. Effects even felt in
>>>> our neighbor to the South, where the price of corn went through
>>>> the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a standard food, like wheat
>>>> bread in the States.
>>
>>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
> Name one, if you would be so kind. I can't think of any.
He'll probably try to pull out the Oklahoma Dustbowl as an example.
<snicker>
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 2:19 pm
From: mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com
On Apr 24, 3:34 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
> chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
> crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
> bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
> higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
> livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
> So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
> peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
> same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
> there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
> prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
> to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
> my 'burb won't allow it.
Grocery prices are "high?" We've got the cheapest food supply in the
world, and a long way to go before that's no longer true.
Everywhere else in the world food, fuel, and taxes eat up most of a
family's income. Here we whine and cry about how food is sooooo
expensive when we have to pay 25 cents more for a gallon of milk.
My father has spent his entire life dirt poor working his ass off on a
farm to provide you with that cheap food. My mother has spent the last
35 years dirt poor and has worked herself almost to death to provide
you with that cheap food. My brother and sister grew up dirt poor
working their asses off on the farm to provide you with that cheap
food. I grew up dirt poor working my ass off on the farm to provide
you with that cheap food.
You make me sick.
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 3:10 pm
From: "Dave Bugg"
mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com wrote:
> On Apr 24, 3:34 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
>> chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
>> crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
>> bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
>> higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
>> livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing
>> it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
>> peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
>> same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
>> there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
>> prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile
>> fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but
>> codes in my 'burb won't allow it.
>
> Grocery prices are "high?"
Yes, and getting higher.
> We've got the cheapest food supply in the world, and a long way to go
> before that's no longer true.
That's only a reasonable argument if we lived elsewhere in the world. We
don't. We live in America and our life-style and econmics are based in
America.
> Everywhere else in the world food, fuel, and taxes eat up most of a
> family's income. Here we whine and cry about how food is sooooo
> expensive when we have to pay 25 cents more for a gallon of milk.
Already addressed above.
> My father has spent his entire life dirt poor working his ass off on a
> farm to provide you with that cheap food. My mother has spent the last
> 35 years dirt poor and has worked herself almost to death to provide
> you with that cheap food. My brother and sister grew up dirt poor
> working their asses off on the farm to provide you with that cheap
> food. I grew up dirt poor working my ass off on the farm to provide
> you with that cheap food.
Every night at supper, part of the Thanks I offer is for those who grow our
food. However, unless you live in China, you and your family are not
required to farm; you have made that choice. The fact that you choose to
make your living growing food is yours alone. The orchardists and wheat
farmers in my area don't spend a whole lot of time feeling sorry for
themselves or complaining about the row they've chosen to hoe.
> You make me sick.
It's from ulcers. You need a new line of work.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 3:11 pm
From: "HeyBub"
Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>
> Wrong.
"Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion that famines do not occur in
democracies. "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in
a functioning democracy," he wrote in 'Democracy as Freedom'. " For this
sort of thinking, Amartya Kumar Sen was awarded the 1998 Nobel Prize in
Economics.
If you have an alternative to the assertion, please share it with us. Until
then, we'll assume you don't know what you're talking about.
>
>>> Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the
>>> state of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred
>>> the cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally,
>>> there are so many crops that would be far better, with less
>>> downside, for fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little
>>> cousin, hemp. It grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually
>>> nothing to produce. Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is
>>> reconsidering the technology.)
>
>> Many do not check with reputable scientists.
>
>> Current technology does not favor "grass" type crops, including
>> hemp, 'switch-grass' and others. The problem is the enormous cost of
>> transporting the raw materials to the processing plant.
>
> Have fun explaining how come sugar cane works fine.
Sugar cane is not a "grass" type crop - Duh!
>
>> The sugar cane conversion in Brazil works because the cane stalks
>> are waste from the sugar extraction;
>
> Wrong. The ethanol comes from the sugar, not the waste.
My mistake. You are correct in this one instance. They could probably do as
well with beets.
>
>> The basic problem is not ethanol, the problem is enviornmentalism.
>> Consider: most of our electric power and all of our transportation
>> energy derives from oil and gas.
>
> Only in countrys that dont use nukes.
There's a new measure of energy: the CMO (Cubic Mile of Oil). Right now, the
earth uses about 3 CMOs worth of energy per year. This is distributed as
follows:
Oil - 1.06 CMOs
Coal - 0.81 CMO
Gas - 0.61 CMO
Biomass (burning wood, ethanol, etc.) - 0.19 CMO
Hydroelectric - 0.17 CMO
Nuclear - 0.15 CMO
As you can see, hydrocarbons account for 2.48 CMOs, Nuclear for a tiny
fraction, probably even less than the use of charcoal.
You'd have to build one 900MW reactor per week for 50 years to generate the
energy contained in one CMO.
http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9928068-54.html?tag=ne.fd.mnbc
>
>> Yet the air is cleaner today than it's ever been - even cleaner than
>> before electricity (when people burned wood for heating). But we've
>> got this aversion to oil exploration, production, and refining.
>
> Nope, thats been done so extensively for so long now that the
> easiest to find oil has been found and quite a bit of it consumed.
Heh! Ronald Reagan said that those who say there are no simple solutions
have just not tried hard enough. Do you realize that over 40% of our
offshore potential can't even be explored or tested?
>
>> Go figure.
>
> Not possible when you mangle the basics so comprehensively.
Please enlighten us. I spent a number of years working in geophysical
exploration and production* and, while my knowledge is admittedly not up to
date, it is based on some experience.
-------
* Lab years involving the origin and migration of petroleum at the largest
laboratory for the world's largest oil company. Then a number of years for
the nation's largest exploration company.
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 3:16 pm
From: "Dave Bugg"
HeyBub wrote:
> Please enlighten us. I spent a number of years working in geophysical
> exploration and production* and, while my knowledge is admittedly not
> up to date, it is based on some experience.
>
> -------
> * Lab years involving the origin and migration of petroleum at the
> largest laboratory for the world's largest oil company. Then a number
> of years for the nation's largest exploration company.
That's just not fair and probably a right-wing conspiracy set-up to boot.
Actual knowledge of the topic isn't allowed. There must be a Godwin rule for
this type of netiquette breach.... or something.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 3:34 pm
From: annezie
I think growing a garden is the smart thing to do this year.
I went and got some more plants today.
About high prices: I have noticed that bread is a lot higher too. At
least a dollar more per loaf here in Kentucky, which to me is a lot. I
heard on TV that there was also a grain shortage. And in other
countries people spend up to 80% of their takehome pay on food, and
now food prices are rising a LOT.
It's a perfect time to plant -- and you can get seeds for crops such
as zucchini and peas that are great foods and economical.
Do you have enough space? Do you get a lot of sun?
About raising meat: are you sure you can't raise rabbits or chickens?
You may want to check around your area to find farmers that can sell
you meat at a good price that is from their farm. Around here, there
are a few that do that.
ES
On Apr 24, 2:34 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
> chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
> crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
> bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
> higher price.>
<snipped>
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 5:18 pm
From: " Frank"
>>>
>>> The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand
>>> for livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers
>>> from the decline of the low carb craze.
>
>> Wow. Eating a healthy diet is now a "craze"? You are aware that the hog
>> fattening diet is exactly the same as the USDA's food pyramid except for
>> one more serving of grain, right?
>
> Pig ignorant lie. There is no meat in the hog fattening diet. No veg
> either.
>
When farmers recycle the meat waste product back into the animal feed the
consequence was mad cow disease. What do they do with the meat waste
products now?
>> Yeah, eating grain is good for you. Right. That's why so many Americans
>> are orca fat.
>
> Nope, the problem is the amount of it they shovel into their mouths, not
> the detail of the form its in.
>
I think its both quantity and quality. From what I understand, most of our
meat, beef for example, are exclusively corn fed. There is no natural corn,
only hybrid genetically altered and selected for high packing density, fast
growth, resist diseases and pesticides and various characteristics to suite
the farmer's need. This genetic corn has low nutritious value and results in
six times more bad cholesterol and fat than grass fed beef. It worries me
when super strong pesticides kill the toughest weeds but couldn't touch the
corn stocks. Further, chemicals, antibiotics and growth hormones are added
to the feed. At one time, don't know about now, Europeans and even starving
Africans refuse to accept corn for the US. Alls I know is Americans are
different when compared with decades ago to the present, relative of weight,
health and behavior and I think it has to do with our food source in some
way.
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 6:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> HeyBub <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote
>>> aspasia wrote
>>>> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by
>>>> influential agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states,
>>>> shoveling out their contributions to our beloved Congress-whores.
>>>> They did not care what ripple effects this would create in the
>>>> Third World, where people are now starving. Effects even felt in
>>>> our neighbor to the South, where the price of corn went through
>>>> the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a standard food, like wheat
>>>> bread in the States.
>>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>> Wrong.
> Name one, if you would be so kind.
Depends on what you call a democracy. They had some in ancient times in Greece etc.
There were some in India after independance too.
And the Irish Potato Famine etc too.
> I can't think of any.
Your problem.
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 7:00 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
HeyBub <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> HeyBub <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote
>>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>> Wrong.
> "Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion that famines do not occur in
> democracies. "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the
> world in a functioning democracy," he wrote in 'Democracy as Freedom'."
He's just plain wrong.
> For this sort of thinking, Amartya Kumar Sen was awarded the 1998 Nobel Prize in Economics.
Nope, not for that steaming turd he wasnt.
> If you have an alternative to the assertion, please share it with us.
Just did.
> Until then, we'll assume you don't know what you're talking about.
Just how many of you are there between those ears ?
>>>> Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the
>>>> state of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred
>>>> the cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science.
>>>> (Incidentally, there are so many crops that would be far better,
>>>> with less downside, for fuel technology, leading off with
>>>> marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It grows on any soil, reseeds
>>>> itself, costs virtually nothing to produce. Even Brazil, that was
>>>> using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the technology.)
>>> Many do not check with reputable scientists.
>>> Current technology does not favor "grass" type crops, including
>>> hemp, 'switch-grass' and others. The problem is the enormous cost of transporting the raw materials to the
>>> processing plant.
>> Have fun explaining how come sugar cane works fine.
> Sugar cane is not a "grass" type crop
Corse it is.
> - Duh!
Your sig is supposed to be at the bottom with a line with -- on it by itself in front of it.
>>> The sugar cane conversion in Brazil works because the cane stalks are waste from the sugar extraction;
>> Wrong. The ethanol comes from the sugar, not the waste.
> My mistake. You are correct in this one instance.
In all of them, actually.
> They could probably do as well with beets.
Those dont grow that well in Brazil and are harder to harvest too.
>>> The basic problem is not ethanol, the problem is enviornmentalism.
>>> Consider: most of our electric power and all of our transportation
>>> energy derives from oil and gas.
>> Only in countrys that dont use nukes.
> There's a new measure of energy: the CMO (Cubic Mile of Oil). Right now, the earth uses about 3 CMOs worth of energy
> per year. This is distributed as follows:
> Oil - 1.06 CMOs
> Coal - 0.81 CMO
> Gas - 0.61 CMO
> Biomass (burning wood, ethanol, etc.) - 0.19 CMO
> Hydroelectric - 0.17 CMO
> Nuclear - 0.15 CMO
Irrelevant to the countrys that choose to use nukes
for the bulk of their electric power generation.
> As you can see, hydrocarbons account for 2.48 CMOs,
But oil and gas doesnt dominate electric power generation. You are wrong.
> Nuclear for a tiny fraction, probably even less than the use of charcoal.
Not in some countrys like France and Japan.
> You'd have to build one 900MW reactor per week for 50 years to generate the energy contained in one CMO.
> http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9928068-54.html?tag=ne.fd.mnbc
Go tell the frogs. Dont be too surprised when they laugh in your face.
>>> Yet the air is cleaner today than it's ever been - even cleaner than
>>> before electricity (when people burned wood for heating). But we've got this aversion to oil exploration,
>>> production, and refining.
>> Nope, thats been done so extensively for so long now that the
>> easiest to find oil has been found and quite a bit of it consumed.
> Heh! Ronald Reagan said that those who say there are no simple solutions have just not tried hard enough.
And he ended up with Alzhiemers. You're well along that line.
> Do you realize that over 40% of our offshore potential can't even be explored or tested?
That aint the easiest to find, stupid.
>>> Go figure.
>> Not possible when you mangle the basics so comprehensively.
> Please enlighten us.
Just how many of you are there between those ears ?
> I spent a number of years working in geophysical exploration and production*
And you completely mangled that claim about oil and gas and electricity generation.
> and, while my knowledge is admittedly not
> up to date, it is based on some experience.
Pity about what has happened between your ears since.
No surprise that they gave you the bums rush.
> -------
> * Lab years involving the origin and migration of petroleum at the largest laboratory for the world's largest oil
> company. Then a number of years for the nation's largest exploration company.
And then they came to their senses and gave you the bums rush, right out the door.
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 7:12 pm
From: SMS
HeyBub wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>> Wrong.
>
> "Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion that famines do not occur in
> democracies. "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in
> a functioning democracy," he wrote in 'Democracy as Freedom'. " For this
> sort of thinking, Amartya Kumar Sen was awarded the 1998 Nobel Prize in
> Economics.
Alas, that assertion has been proven wrong in at least two democracies.
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 7:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Frank <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing
>>>> demand for livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the decline of the low carb craze.
>>> Wow. Eating a healthy diet is now a "craze"? You are aware that the hog fattening diet is exactly the same as the
>>> USDA's food pyramid except for one more serving of grain, right?
>> Pig ignorant lie. There is no meat in the hog fattening diet. No veg either.
> When farmers recycle the meat waste product back into the animal feed the consequence was mad cow disease.
Thats not how mad cow disease was produced. It came from
the use of scrapie infected sheep meat used in the feed for cows,
and that only happened in a few countrys, it wasnt universal.
Some countrys never did get any mad cow disease.
> What do they do with the meat waste products now?
They dont let scrapie or mad cow infected meat get into the food chain anymore.
In the case of Papua and NewGuinea natives, they stopped them eating their relatives.
>>> Yeah, eating grain is good for you. Right. That's why so many Americans are orca fat.
>> Nope, the problem is the amount of it they shovel into their mouths, not the detail of the form its in.
> I think its both quantity and quality.
You're wrong. They ate plenty of grain in the days before the
epidemic of gross obesity. The problem is how much of it you
shovel into your mouth compared with how many calories you burn.
> From what I understand, most of our meat, beef for example, are exclusively corn fed.
Thats just plain wrong.
> There is no natural corn, only hybrid genetically altered
That last is just plain wrong too. And plant breeding
is what produced modern wheats and rice too.
> and selected for high packing density, fast growth, resist diseases and pesticides and various characteristics to
> suite the farmer's need.
Just like with all the grain crops too.
> This genetic corn has low nutritious value
Wrong. Its used because it has a HIGH nutritious value.
> and results in six times more bad cholesterol and fat than grass fed beef.
That number is plucked out of someone's arse.
> It worries me when super strong pesticides kill the toughest weeds
No they dont, thats weedicides.
> but couldn't touch the corn stocks.
Thats wrong too.
> Further, chemicals, antibiotics and growth hormones are added to the feed.
Wrong again with growth hormones.
> At one time, don't know about now, Europeans and even starving Africans refuse to accept corn for the US.
Yes, there are some fools that refused to eat any GM food.
Plenty of with a clue are happy to eat some GM food.
And everyone eats food thats the result of centurys of plant breeding which is
all about genetics, because there isnt any other kind except wild game and fish.
> Alls I know is Americans are different when compared with decades ago to the present, relative of weight, health and
> behavior
So is every other country on earth.
> and I think it has to do with our food source in some way.
You're wrong. And every other modern first world country has got
the same obesity result that americans have, for the same reason.
Plenty of the third world countrys too, most obviously with pacific islanders etc.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 7:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com wrote:
> On Apr 24, 3:34 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
>> chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
>> crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
>> bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
>> higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
>> livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing
>> it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
>> peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
>> same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
>> there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
>> prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile
>> fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but
>> codes in my 'burb won't allow it.
> Grocery prices are "high?" We've got the cheapest food supply
> in the world, and a long way to go before that's no longer true.
True.
> Everywhere else in the world food, fuel, and taxes eat up most of a family's income.
Nope, that doesnt happen in any other first world
country and none of the second world countrys either.
It isnt even true of much of the third world either.
> Here we whine and cry about how food is sooooo expensive
> when we have to pay 25 cents more for a gallon of milk.
> My father has spent his entire life dirt poor working his
> ass off on a farm to provide you with that cheap food.
If he's dirt poor, he's doing it wrong.
> My mother has spent the last 35 years dirt poor and has worked
> herself almost to death to provide you with that cheap food.
If she's dirt poor, she's doing it wrong.
> My brother and sister grew up dirt poor working their
> asses off on the farm to provide you with that cheap
> food. I grew up dirt poor working my ass off on the
> farm to provide you with that cheap food.
The problem is clearly in the genes.
> You make me sick.
Your problem.
== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 7:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> HeyBub <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote
>>>> aspasia wrote
>>>>> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by
>>>>> influential agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states,
>>>>> shoveling out their contributions to our beloved Congress-whores.
>>>>> They did not care what ripple effects this would create in the
>>>>> Third World, where people are now starving. Effects even felt in
>>>>> our neighbor to the South, where the price of corn went through
>>>>> the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a standard food, like wheat
>>>>> bread in the States.
>>>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>>> Wrong.
>> Name one, if you would be so kind.
> Depends on what you call a democracy. They had some in ancient times in Greece etc.
> There were some in India after independance too.
> And the Irish Potato Famine etc too.
And Japan after it lost WW2 and was returned to a democracy by the Allies too.
>> I can't think of any.
> Your problem.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 1:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote just the puerile shit
you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless fuckwit.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 1:59 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote just the puerile shit
> you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless fuckwit.
>
>
Welfare boy, you were behaving so well recently until the meds ran out.
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 2:26 pm
From: "Lee K"
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 6:48 pm
From: fivemtbikes@yahoo.com
On Apr 25, 9:58�am, Jim <alc...@en.com> wrote:
> > It doesn't sound much like my experience. �I don't find I'm "under
> > attack", and furthermore that if I give drivers due consideration then I
> > get due consideration back (just as when I'm driving, I give cyclists
> > due consideration and get it back).
>
> > Go out there spoiling for a fight and you'll find one though.
>
> > Pete.
>
> I have to agree with Pete in this regard. �I have been riding a bike
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