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TOPIC: There is no "right" to health care
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== 1 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:50 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:17:07 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>
>> Michael Coburn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:05:41 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Coburn wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:59:07 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> K wrote:
>>>>>>> RickMerrill wrote:
>>>>>>>> K wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service.
>>>>>>>>> Someone might choose to provide some goods and services to
>>>>>>>>> deadbeats, but that doesn't imply a right to them; and the
>>>>>>>>> provider may subsequently decide to stop providing them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big
>>>>>>>>> screen TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You
>>>>>>>>> don't have a "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and
>>>>>>>>> services, you must pay for them, or you must persuade someone to
>>>>>>>>> give them to you voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are
>>>>>>>>> weak, you'll fare poorly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>>>>>>> You have the right to Pursue what makes you happy. If you 've
>>>>>>>> never been sick, then you might not understand that sickness makes
>>>>>>>> you unhappy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have a constitutional right to purchase health care.
>>>>>>> It's not a constitutional right, but you do have a right to
>>>>>>> contract, and one thing you might contract to buy is health care.
>>>>>> Everything you buy is a contract....
>>>>> Unfortunately, we currently "buy" stuff for which we did not
>>>>> contract.
>>>> You don't, of course, which is why you had to put quotes around buy.
>>> Of course _I_ in particular do not have to buy your free medical care
>>> because I do not have private sector "for profit" medical insurance.
>>> But the vast majority with families must pay the rip off insurance
>>> companies
>> No. That's just infantile swearing.
>
> What a hoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You talking about "infantile".
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plagiarizing "Dilbert" dialog is also infantile.
== 2 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:52 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:22:46 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>
>> Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> Wilson Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 10, 12:25 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> K wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 9:34 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> missussex wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services, you must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll fare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poorly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>>>>>>>>>> No one has the "right" to clean air and water, roads, law
>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement,
>>>>>>>>>>> and firefighting services either.
>>>>>>>>>> That's right.
>>>>>>>>> liar.
>>>>>>>> No. No one has a right to any good or service.
>>>>>>> True, but if the legislature passes laws that grant those good or
>>>>>>> services, so be it. That's how majority rule works in a
>>>>>>> representative,
>>>>>>> constitutional democracy.
>>>>>> So if the legislature passes a bill to force you to accept three
>>>>>> families of illegal immigrants into your house, that's acceptable?
>>>>>> If everyone in your community except you votes to make next Thursday
>>>>>> "your day" to be chased through the streets and beaten with iron
>>>>>> bars, is that
>>>>>> acceptable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the nature of rights. Rights specify
>>>>>> things that the government, and your fellow citizens, may not
>>>>>> lawfully do to you even if an overwhelming majority want to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, so good. Our system does overlay individual rights on top of
>>>>> majority rule.
>>>>
>>>> That's false. The rights come *first*; majority rule is merely a form
>>>> of government.
>>> OK. Majority rule is overlayed on rights.
>>>
>>>>>> Seizing value
>>>>>> you've created and earned and giving it away to deadbeats *ought* to
>>>>>> be seen as an unacceptable violation of your basic human rights. We
>>>>>> don't need a welfare system or food stamps or nationalized health
>>>>>> care in order for unfortunate people to be cared for. None of that
>>>>>> existed in the 19th century, and no one starved to death. People
>>>>>> voluntarily will help those less fortunate; they always have.
>>>>>
>>>>> And here, we part ways on both the law (I don't believe you have a
>>>>> right to be free from taxation)
>>>>
>>>> You have a right to be free from the seizure of your property merely
>>>> to give it to others. Government may tax to achieve the legitimate
>>>> functions of government: police, national defense, courts, and
>>>> operation of the departments of government. Government may not
>>>> legitimately tax you in order to hand the money over to others. That's
>>>> called looting.
>>> You and I have different views about the legitimate functions of
>>> government. I would include health care for all
>> You are wrong. That's stealing wealth from people to give it to others
>> - not a legitimate function of government.
>
> But you believe that it _IS_ a legitimate function of government.
No.
> This is why very high rates of tax on very high incomes is warranted and
> just. Such incomes are theft.
They are not. You're just pissy because you don't do anything that
yields that kind of income.
High incomes are *not* theft; that's nothing more than the envy of the
unproductive.
>
>>>>> and the policy (people do not
>>>>> voluntarily provide health care,
>>>>
>>>> That's a lie. Doctors traditionally gave away quite a lot of medical
>>>> care without compensation. It might not have been liver transplants
>>>> or open heart surgery, but you don't have a right to those anyway. If
>>>> you're the beneficiary of others' generosity, you don't have any power
>>>> to dictate the extent of it.
>>> I guess I was mistaken about the millions of people with inadequate
>>> health care in the USA.
>> You're mistaken about quite a lot.
>
> You can choose. You are, ignorant, or a liar, or both.
Neither. Your statement of the range of possibilities is completely wrong.
== 3 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:53 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 1:43 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com> wrote:
> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> >>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> >>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
> >>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
> >>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
> >>>> No one has a right to my effort.
> >>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
> >>> mine mine mine.
> >> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
> >> that no one has a right to my effort.
>
> > liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
>
> Taxes on trade, not on the individual's labor.
>
wrong as usual, i am sure you can twist this simple paragraph to mean
there is green cheese on the moon, but you would still be wrong.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
> --
>
> *BE VERY CONCERNED*
>
> The gov't has already been overthrown, we're just gonna take it back.
== 4 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:54 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:20:17 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>
>> Michael Coburn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:25:51 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Coburn wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:25:39 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>>> K wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 9:34 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> missussex wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services, you must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll fare poorly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>>>>>>>>>> No one has the "right" to clean air and water, roads, law
>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement, and firefighting services either.
>>>>>>>>>> That's right.
>>>>>>>>> liar.
>>>>>>>> No. No one has a right to any good or service.
>>>>>>> True, but if the legislature passes laws that grant those good or
>>>>>>> services, so be it. That's how majority rule works in a
>>>>>>> representative, constitutional democracy.
>>>>>> So if the legislature passes a bill to force you to accept three
>>>>>> families of illegal immigrants into your house, that's acceptable?
>>>>> It doesn't matter if it is "acceptable". Until it is struck down it
>>>>> is the law.
>>>> Revolutions occur over such things. No law trumps moral rights.
>>> Then that would be "struck down", wouldn't it??????
>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> everyone in your community except you votes to make next Thursday
>>>>>> "your day" to be chased through the streets and beaten with iron
>>>>>> bars, is that acceptable?
>>>>> It doesn't matter if it is "acceptable".
>>>> It does matter.
>>> Nice editing job,
>> No editing.
>>
>>
>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the nature of rights.
>>>>> Right do not exist in "nature".
>>>> Human rights exist in the mind of man.
>>> Thank you for acknowledging reality. How monumental.
>>>
>>>>>> Rights specify
>>>>>> things that the government, and your fellow citizens, may not
>>>>>> lawfully do to you even if an overwhelming majority want to do it.
>>>>> Nope.
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>> That is a rightarded appeal to majority rule to do away with majority
>>>>> rule.
>>>> It's not.
>>> Yes.. It is.
>> It's not.
>>
>>
>>>> > If an overwhelming majority decide that individuals are
>>>>> to be stripped of some internally justified capacity to thwart the
>>>>> good of the whole of the society
>>>> No such good.
>>> That is your opinion,
>> No, it's a fact. "Society" is not an organic entity. It doesn't have a
>> welfare. There can be no "good of the society". There can only be
>> things that are good for people.
>
> As I said: Your opinion.
No, what you said is false. It's not merely my opinion. It's a fact.
There is no such thing as "society" as an entity with a welfare. People
have welfare; society is just multiple people, each with their own
individual welfare. There is no societal welfare.
>>>>>> Seizing value
>>>>>> you've created and earned and giving it away to deadbeats *ought* to
>>>>>> be seen as an unacceptable violation of your basic human rights.
>>>>> Though most of what happens regarding this particular subject is
>>>>> screech monkey dung, the definition of "rights" is a societal
>>>>> operation
>>>> Irrelevant. "The law" also is a societal construct. One societal
>>>> construct must yield to another, and the law must yield to rights.
>>> The law typically DOES yield to "rights".
>> So, since it is my right to control the use of my effort, the law cannot
>> dispossess me of it.
>
> As I said, lying pig:
More swearing. I won't be sitting in any jail cell.
== 5 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:54 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> Wilson Woods wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>>> On Oct 10, 2:17 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service. Someone
>>>> might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats, but that
>>>> doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may subsequently decide
>>>> to stop providing them.
>>>>
>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you must
>>>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare poorly.
>>>>
>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>> I believe health care is a right
>
> What if I believe Cookies are a right?
You'd believe something false.
>> It is not.
>>
>>
>>> just as every child has a right to an
>>> education.
>
> Yes as they have a right to a cookie
Neither.
>> That's not a right, either.
>>
>>
>>> These are not luxuries, but necessities.
>
> Cookies are absolutely necessary....
No.
>> There is no such thing as a "necessity". There are only wants. You
>> want a car, a big screen TV, lobster dinners, health care, a house, Air
>> Jordan shoes, education - you want lots of things. If you want them,
>> make them yourself or earn the money and buy them. You don't have a
>> right to any of them.
>
== 6 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:56 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 9, 10:57 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>> On Oct 9, 5:51 pm, Rudy Canoza <jonbal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 9, 2:10 pm, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 9, 1:53 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 1:44 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
>>>>>>>>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
>>>>>>>>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
>>>>>>>>>> No one has a right to my effort.
>>>>>>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>>>>>>>>> mine mine mine.
>>>>>>>>> Solution: remedial preschool in order to fully comprehend the lesson
>>>>>>>>> of sharing.
>>>>>>>> You think taxation is "sharing"?
>>>>>>>> Please. The issue has more moving parts than that.
>>>>>>>> JG
>>>>>>> I am waiting for all you John Galts to shit or get off the pot.
>>>>>> Wait all you like. Are you doing to answer the question? Is taxation, to
>>>>>> you "sharing?"
>>>>>> Take
>>>>>>> to 'superior' minds and riches and move to some 'effing island like
>>>>>>> you 'threaten' to.
>>>>>> Many already have, many more probably will. Are you going to answer the
>>>>>> question?
>>>>>> The sooner you leave the better for the rest of
>>>>>>> Americans.
>>>>>> I *am* an American, and have as many votes as you do. (OK, I guess
>>>>>> you're not going to answer the question.)
>>>>>>> So when you leaving?
>>>>>> My preference is to beat you looters' heads into the ground. You never
>>>>>> succeed for long, since your economic policies are unsustainable, and
>>>>>> the electorate always comes to their senses.
>>>>>> This time, it looks like a very short learning curve.
>>>>>> JG- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> Your name you use is John Galt. John Galt was rich and talented. Are
>>>>> you? John Galt left because he didn't want to share. So when are you
>>>>> leaving? That is the question.
>>>>> To your question, no I don't think taxing is sharing. Your money is
>>>>> not your money. Your money belongs to the USA, it says so right on the
>>>>> bill.
>>>> That's a lie, of course. It says no such thing.
>>> only the government has the power to create money.
>> Actually, that's not always true. Whether true or not, the government
>> doesn't create the value that money represents.
>>
>
>
> just because we are ruled by conservative nut cases
No, that's false.
> does not mean that we cannot do away
> with that system either.
You'd starve. The rich feed and clothe you.
>> You truly are ignorant.
>
> that is all you have,
You have nothing. You are ignorant.
== 7 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:56 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 9, 10:57 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>> On Oct 9, 9:34 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>> missussex wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
>>>>>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
>>>>>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you must
>>>>>>>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
>>>>>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare poorly.
>>>>>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>>>> No one has the "right" to clean air and water, roads, law enforcement,
>>>>> and firefighting services either.
>>>> That's right.
>>> liar.
>> No. No one has a right to any good or service.
>
> a personal opinion.
No, a fact.
== 8 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:57 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 9, 10:57 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>> On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
>>>>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
>>>>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
>>>>>> No one has a right to my effort.
>>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>>>>> mine mine mine.
>>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
>>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
>>> liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
>> No one has a right to my effort.
>
> liar,
No.
> Section. 8.
Says nothing about having a right to my productive effort. No one has
any right to any part of my productive effort. It's mine.
== 9 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:57 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 2:22 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:59:07 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
>
>
> > K wrote:
> >> RickMerrill wrote:
> >>> K wrote:
> >>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service.
> >>>> Someone might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats,
> >>>> but that doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may
> >>>> subsequently decide to stop providing them.
>
> >>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
> >>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
> >>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you
> >>>> must pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
> >>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare
> >>>> poorly.
>
> >>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>
> >>> You have the right to Pursue what makes you happy. If you 've never
> >>> been sick, then you might not understand that sickness makes you
> >>> unhappy.
>
> >>> You have a constitutional right to purchase health care.
>
> >> It's not a constitutional right, but you do have a right to contract,
> >> and one thing you might contract to buy is health care.
>
> > Everything you buy is a contract....
>
> Unfortunately, we currently "buy" stuff for which we did not contract.
> Ans when morons refuse to insure their bodies, we end up paying for that
> negligence.
>
well said. i bet if he got really sick, he would walk the talk and
die in the streets, yea right. he would head for the emergency room,
forget his idiotology, and allow the nanny state to save his worthless
hide.
> --
> "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
== 10 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:58 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 10, 1:43 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> dog.com> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>> On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
>>>>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
>>>>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
>>>>>> No one has a right to my effort.
>>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>>>>> mine mine mine.
>>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
>>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
>>> liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
>> Taxes on trade, not on the individual's labor.
>>
>
> wrong as usual,
No, he's right.
> Section. 8.
Nothing in there about a tax on the fruits of people's labor.
== 11 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:58 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 2:44 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com> wrote:
> Wilson Woods wrote:
> > m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >> Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
> >>>> mine mine mine.
> >>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
> >>> that no one has a right to my effort.
>
> >> Again.... I say to you
>
> >> That NOTHING you have BELONGS to you
>
> > And *again*, I tell you that you're full of shit and wrong. What I have
> > *does* belong to me. It's mine. I own it, and I get to decide how it's
> > used, or if it's used at all.
>
> That was the PRE-Obama America, *WE ARE ALL SOCIALIST NOW*
the constitution and the founders were interventionists. we have been
that since day one.
== 12 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:58 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2:22 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:59:07 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> K wrote:
>>>> RickMerrill wrote:
>>>>> K wrote:
>>>>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service.
>>>>>> Someone might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats,
>>>>>> but that doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may
>>>>>> subsequently decide to stop providing them.
>>>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
>>>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
>>>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you
>>>>>> must pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
>>>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare
>>>>>> poorly.
>>>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>>>> You have the right to Pursue what makes you happy. If you 've never
>>>>> been sick, then you might not understand that sickness makes you
>>>>> unhappy.
>>>>> You have a constitutional right to purchase health care.
>>>> It's not a constitutional right, but you do have a right to contract,
>>>> and one thing you might contract to buy is health care.
>>> Everything you buy is a contract....
>> Unfortunately, we currently "buy" stuff for which we did not contract.
>> Ans when morons refuse to insure their bodies, we end up paying for that
>> negligence.
>>
>
>
> well said.
He said crap.
== 13 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 9:59 pm
From: K
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2:44 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> dog.com> wrote:
>> Wilson Woods wrote:
>>> m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>> Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>>>>>> mine mine mine.
>>>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
>>>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
>>>> Again.... I say to you
>>>> That NOTHING you have BELONGS to you
>>> And *again*, I tell you that you're full of shit and wrong. What I have
>>> *does* belong to me. It's mine. I own it, and I get to decide how it's
>>> used, or if it's used at all.
>> That was the PRE-Obama America, *WE ARE ALL SOCIALIST NOW*
>
> the constitution and the founders were interventionists.
False.
== 14 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:03 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 5:33 pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
> On 2009-10-10 15:20:30 -0400, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> said:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:50:01 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
> >>> On Oct 9, 5:42 pm, Geopinion <walk...@easystreet.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 9, 9:17 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>
> >>>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service.
> >>>>> Someone might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats,
> >>>>> but that doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may
> >>>>> subsequently decide to stop providing them.
> >>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
> >>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
> >>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you
> >>>>> must pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
> >>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare
> >>>>> poorly. That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
> >>>> There is a right to health care if we, the people, decide there is. We
> >>>> aren't limited to rights specifically outlined in the Constitution,
> >>>> but are assumed to possess a whole host of unenumerated rights. It is
> >>>> also within our power to decide that there are rights and policies
> >>>> that serve the greater good, and there is nothing in the constitution
> >>>> that prohibits that.
>
> >> Where is your "right" to force me to into your health care?
>
> >> Try amendment 9, your rights don't supersede my rights.
>
> > We have the right to protect ourselves from your ingrained stupidity and
> > the damage it causes us.
>
> Your a fucking idiot, your socialist policies you love are what got us
> to this point, the free market
> is the only solution, its not perfect and it doesn't provide your so
> called social justice but in the
> end it always be more efficient and fair than any other system
when you look at a mirror, things appear backwards. but in real life,
things are not backwards, your statement is backwards. the free market
got us into this mess, just as it did in the 1920's.
== 15 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:05 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 5:56 pm, Always Right <adrastea2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 5:05 pm, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambrandylion.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:22:02 -0700, Ork wrote:
> > > I burned a flag pin once. But it was a Canadian flag pin, and it just
> > > happened to be attached to a Beatles record, when we had this big
> > > bonfire in the south, back in the 1960's after John Lennon said "We're
> > > bigger than Jesus".
>
> > > Burning Beatles records was all the rage back in those days.
>
> > I'm sure Jesus is proud of you.
>
> I never saw a Ringo album that wasn't worth burning.
>
> I really hated "Goodnight Vienna", and some of
> George's stuff was simply awful until the Wilbury's.
it don't came easy was a simple great to listen to tune. ringo
surprised himself when he penned it.
== 16 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:06 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 10, 5:56 pm, Always Right <adrastea2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 10, 5:05 pm, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambrandylion.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:22:02 -0700, Ork wrote:
>>>> I burned a flag pin once. But it was a Canadian flag pin, and it just
>>>> happened to be attached to a Beatles record, when we had this big
>>>> bonfire in the south, back in the 1960's after John Lennon said "We're
>>>> bigger than Jesus".
>>>> Burning Beatles records was all the rage back in those days.
>>> I'm sure Jesus is proud of you.
>> I never saw a Ringo album that wasn't worth burning.
>>
>> I really hated "Goodnight Vienna", and some of
>> George's stuff was simply awful until the Wilbury's.
>
> it don't came easy was a simple great to listen to tune.
It was sappy; nothing but crap.
== 17 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:14 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 7:46 pm, Geopinion <walk...@easystreet.net> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 3:33 pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2009-10-10 15:20:30 -0400, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> said:
>
> > > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:50:01 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
> > >>> On Oct 9, 5:42 pm, Geopinion <walk...@easystreet.net> wrote:
> > >>>> On Oct 9, 9:17 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service.
> > >>>>> Someone might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats,
> > >>>>> but that doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may
> > >>>>> subsequently decide to stop providing them.
> > >>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
> > >>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
> > >>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you
> > >>>>> must pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
> > >>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare
> > >>>>> poorly. That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
> > >>>> There is a right to health care if we, the people, decide there is. We
> > >>>> aren't limited to rights specifically outlined in the Constitution,
> > >>>> but are assumed to possess a whole host of unenumerated rights. It is
> > >>>> also within our power to decide that there are rights and policies
> > >>>> that serve the greater good, and there is nothing in the constitution
> > >>>> that prohibits that.
>
> > >> Where is your "right" to force me to into your health care?
>
> > >> Try amendment 9, your rights don't supersede my rights.
>
> > > We have the right to protect ourselves from your ingrained stupidity and
> > > the damage it causes us.
>
> > Your a fucking idiot, your socialist policies you love are what got us
> > to this point, the free market
> > is the only solution, its not perfect and it doesn't provide your so
> > called social justice but in the
> > end it always be more efficient and fair than any other system- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The free market assumes several things: that everyone has sufficient
> information to make a choice, that choices are not made under duress,
> and that choices are available. It also assumes that the consumer has
> the power to simply not make a choice at all - do without - as a way
> of forcing the market to respond.
>
> No one knows which physicians or hospitals provide the best care for
> the least cost. That information is not available anywhere, so the
> free market provides no choices for the health-care consumer.
>
> No one can afford to take the time and perform the research needed to
> determine where to get the most effective treatment for the least cost
> in the shadow of a potentially life-threatening illness. So the free
> market has no answers in that situation.
>
> Rural areas and small towns may have only one source for health care,
> so there are no choices to be made among competing providers because
> there are no competing providers. The free market offers no solutions
> there.
>
> The same limits exist with regard to insurers; most people have no
> choice but must use the insurer - and the participating physicians/
> hospitals - their employer selects. Those without employer-provided
> health care likewise have very limited choices and usually must simply
> obtain coverage they can afford. So, the free market hasn't performed
> for those people, either.
>
> And people in need of health care aren't really in a position to
> simply say, "Forget it, I'll go without," because sometimes that
> decision means death or permanent disability for oneself or one's
> child or spouse or parent. So, the consumer cannot influence the
> market by rejecting the available choices.
>
> Free-market zealots think the market is a one-size-fits-all solution
> to everything - it's not. It works for commerce, only, and then only
> for things that aren't vital to life.
>
it does not even work then, stiglitz won a nobel in economics in
2001, disproving that all players in a transaction are rational, and
that all information is perfect, he simply proved freidman was a
fraud, and he wiped away friedmans and hayeks life works.
> MLW
== 18 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:20 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 11:57 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 10:57 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> >>> On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> >>>>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
> >>>>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
> >>>>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
> >>>>>> No one has a right to my effort.
> >>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
> >>>>> mine mine mine.
> >>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
> >>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
> >>> liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
> >> No one has a right to my effort.
>
> > liar,
>
> No.
>
> > Section. 8.
>
> Says nothing about having a right to my productive effort. No one has
> any right to any part of my productive effort. It's mine.
its mine, mine, mine ,mine, as daffy duck would say. except, you have
no real idea how the constitution works, and just like daffy duck, you
scream mine, as you are shrinking into oblivion. the really great
thing about every thread you are involved in, is that many, and i mean
many are answering you, america, in fact the world, are sick of your
type.
== 19 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:22 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 11:58 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> > On Oct 10, 1:43 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> > dog.com> wrote:
> >> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> >>> On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> >>>>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
> >>>>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
> >>>>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
> >>>>>> No one has a right to my effort.
> >>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
> >>>>> mine mine mine.
> >>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
> >>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
> >>> liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
> >> Taxes on trade, not on the individual's labor.
>
> > wrong as usual,
>
> No, he's right.
>
> > Section. 8.
>
> Nothing in there about a tax on the fruits of people's labor.
stupid, stupid person, its a blanket statement.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
then can tax your stupidity if they wish.
== 20 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:26 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 10, 11:59 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> > On Oct 10, 2:44 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> > dog.com> wrote:
> >> Wilson Woods wrote:
> >>> m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >>>> Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
> >>>>>> mine mine mine.
> >>>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
> >>>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
> >>>> Again.... I say to you
> >>>> That NOTHING you have BELONGS to you
> >>> And *again*, I tell you that you're full of shit and wrong. What I have
> >>> *does* belong to me. It's mine. I own it, and I get to decide how it's
> >>> used, or if it's used at all.
> >> That was the PRE-Obama America, *WE ARE ALL SOCIALIST NOW*
>
> > the constitution and the founders were interventionists.
>
> False.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several
States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on
the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and
current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for
limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas,
and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use
shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval
Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the
Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the
Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia
according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of
particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the
State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts,
Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
Department or Officer thereof.
== 21 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:29 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:46:46 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable
<Video61@tcq.net> wrote:
>On Oct 9, 10:57 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> > On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>> >>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> >>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
>> >>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
>> >>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
>> >>>> No one has a right to my effort.
>> >>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>> >>> mine mine mine.
>> >> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
>> >> that no one has a right to my effort.
>>
>> > liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
>>
>> No one has a right to my effort.
>
> liar,
>
>Section. 8.
>
>The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
>Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
>Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
>Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
>
> THOMAS PAINE argued that no-one could produce riches without the
>support of society, so anyone who accumulates property owes a part of
>it back to society. This would provide funds for a social program that
>included education, pensions, unemployment benefits, and maternity
>benefits."
Estimates of illegal migrants range from 10 million to 30 million.
So what agency is not doing the job to "provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States"? Is there something
here that our elected officials and president are missing?
Just and idle thought while passing through the posts on this thread.
DCI
== 22 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:34 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable
<Video61@tcq.net> wrote:
>On Oct 10, 9:56 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbl...@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:hapg7f$s3p$1@josh.motzarella.org...
>>
>> >K wrote:
>> >> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Oct 9, 9:34 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> missussex wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big
>> >>>>>>>> screen
>> >>>>>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you
>> >>>>>>>> must
>> >>>>>>>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
>> >>>>>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare
>> >>>>>>>> poorly.
>> >>>>>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>
>> >>>>> No one has the "right" to clean air and water, roads, law enforcement,
>> >>>>> and firefighting services either.
>>
>> >>>> That's right.
>>
>> >>> liar.
>>
>> >> No. No one has a right to any good or service.
>>
>> > True, but if the legislature passes laws that grant those good or
>> > services, so be it. That's how majority rule works in a representative,
>> > constitutional democracy.
>>
>> > Josh Rosenbluth
>>
>> -
>> The law does not in the strict sense define that there is a "right". The
>> problem is that people who want some special accomodation make up a
>> non-existent "right" and use that claim to pass legislation. That doesn't
>> mean that the "right" really exists.
>
>THOMAS PAINE, argued that no-one could produce riches without the
>support of society, so anyone who accumulates property owes a part of
>it back to society. This would provide funds for a social program that
>included education, pensions, unemployment benefits, and maternity
>benefits."
And when that doesn't happen, who or what is charged with the
responsibility to correct all of it. Education - No child . . . -
is in the dumpsters, pensions, especially for civil servants, is ever
up for grabs by the greedy, unemployment caps out as "find your own
damned money,." maternity benefits for whom? Hell we can't even decide
who is actually a citizen.
Carry on.
DCI
== 23 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:36 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable
<Video61@tcq.net> wrote:
>On Oct 10, 1:43 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
>dog.com> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> > On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>> >>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> >>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
>> >>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
>> >>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
>> >>>> No one has a right to my effort.
>> >>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>> >>> mine mine mine.
>> >> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
>> >> that no one has a right to my effort.
>>
>> > liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
>>
>> Taxes on trade, not on the individual's labor.
>>
>
> wrong as usual, i am sure you can twist this simple paragraph to mean
>there is green cheese on the moon, but you would still be wrong.
>
>Section. 8.
>
>The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
>Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
>Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
>Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
>
The ord "uniform" has resulted in a quilting of variations.
DCI
== 24 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:55 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:48:22 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>Wilson Woods wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>>> On Oct 10, 2:17 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>>>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service. Someone
>>>> might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats, but that
>>>> doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may subsequently decide
>>>> to stop providing them.
>>>>
>>>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
>>>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
>>>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you must
>>>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
>>>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare poorly.
>>>>
>>>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>>>
>>> I believe health care is a right
>>
>
>What if I believe Cookies are a right?
>
>> It is not.
>>
>>
>>> just as every child has a right to an
>>> education.
>>
>
>Yes as they have a right to a cookie
>
>> That's not a right, either.
>>
>>
>>> These are not luxuries, but necessities.
>>
>
>Cookies are absolutely necessary.... The only question now is, where to
>build that United States Government cookie Factory and how to get them
>to the children so their rights aren't violated.
>
>
>> There is no such thing as a "necessity". There are only wants. You
>> want a car, a big screen TV, lobster dinners, health care, a house, Air
>> Jordan shoes, education - you want lots of things. If you want them,
>> make them yourself or earn the money and buy them. You don't have a
>> right to any of them.
If you like cookies, fine! Just pay the price on the package and
they're yours. Same thing for milk if like milk and cookies.
DCI
== 25 of 25 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 10 2009 11:01 pm
From: never@millions.com
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:20:46 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable
<Video61@tcq.net> wrote:
>On Oct 10, 11:57 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> > On Oct 9, 10:57 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> >>> On Oct 9, 9:35 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>> >>>>> On Oct 9, 10:46 am, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> >>>>>> False. I created the value that I traded to obtain the things I own.
>> >>>>>> In some few cases - not many - I created the things I own myself. I
>> >>>>>> have a right to them; no one else has any right to them.
>> >>>>>> No one has a right to my effort.
>> >>>>> Translation: Mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine. Screw you, mine
>> >>>>> mine mine mine.
>> >>>> Right. Piss and moan all you like, but it doesn't change the *fact*
>> >>>> that no one has a right to my effort.
>> >>> liar. taxes are enshrined in the constitution.
>> >> No one has a right to my effort.
>>
>> > liar,
>>
>> No.
>>
>> > Section. 8.
>>
>> Says nothing about having a right to my productive effort. No one has
>> any right to any part of my productive effort. It's mine.
>
> its mine, mine, mine ,mine, as daffy duck would say. except, you have
>no real idea how the constitution works, and just like daffy duck, you
>scream mine, as you are shrinking into oblivion. the really great
>thing about every thread you are involved in, is that many, and i mean
>many are answering you, america, in fact the world, are sick of your
>type.
Mr. Unavailable, you know little and over esimate the numbers. In
other words, your making overly gross estimations. Your predictions
are just babbling words of hope, not factually determined.
Take care.
DCI
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