Frugal Living: Dec 20, 2010

Monday, December 20, 2010

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TOPIC: The Middle East is our backyard
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 5:39 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 19, 9:32 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
> the end of times" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:008bec72-d9fa-4cad-95e8-9fa842d11481@39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> > Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.
> > "Oink, Oink"
>
> The first thing I learned many years ago when I came to these cycling
> newsgroups was that most members were liberals, if not socialists. This is
> not true in the real world of cycling. It is only true on Usenet. In any
> event, it has been my pleasure to kick their sorry asses ever since.

The real cycling world in America is made up of survivors riding junk
bikes on sidewalks. They make up the majority, but not the most
affluent. They don't even come here or are affiliated with a political
party.

They are the Proles on bikes.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 5:54 am
From: dgk

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:r7umg6ti3vou6ml3jac969rmvuccri4m0i@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
>>>message news:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
>>>>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>>>>
>>>> Arabs are Semites also.
>>>
>>>Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>>>
>>>> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
>>>> of the U.S. are traitors.
>>>
>>>Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but
>>>anti-Semites
>>>know that.
>
>> Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
>> wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
>
>Perhaps not identical, but you benefit by simply being an American.
>
>> There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
>> Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
>> even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
>> as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
>> wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
>> than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
>> Not to keep us safe Ed.
>
>It helps keep the entire nation more prosperous than it would otherwise be.
>
>> Here's a direct quote:
>>
>> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
>> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
>> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
>> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
>> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
>> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
>> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
>> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
>> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
>> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
>> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
>> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
>> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
>> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
>> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
>
>We Americans all benefit from American capitalism. If you don't like it, why
>not try a socialist-communist nation? Maybe North Korea is more your speed.
>
>> The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
>> that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
>> impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
>> in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
>> certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
>> those.
>
>It is better to be a have than a have-not. What else is new?
>
>Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
>have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general.
>It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations
>of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
>other extreme and see what I mean.
>
>The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
>imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard
>Kipling, not a cry baby like you.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
a person than I thought you were.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:05 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 20, 8:54 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> >news:r7umg6ti3vou6ml3jac969rmvuccri4m0i@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>"T m Sherm nT _ " <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> >>>messagenews:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>>>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
> >>>>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>
> >>>> Arabs are Semites also.
>
> >>>Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>
> >>>> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
> >>>> of the U.S. are traitors.
>
> >>>Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but
> >>>anti-Semites
> >>>know that.
>
> >> Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
> >> wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
>
> >Perhaps not identical, but you benefit by simply being an American.
>
> >> There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
> >> Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
> >> even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
> >> as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
> >> wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
> >> than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
> >> Not to keep us safe Ed.
>
> >It helps keep the entire nation more prosperous than it would otherwise be.
>
> >> Here's a direct quote:
>
> >> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
> >> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
> >> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
> >> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
> >> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
> >> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
> >> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
> >> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
> >> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
> >> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
> >> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
> >> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
> >> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
> >> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
> >> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
>
> >We Americans all benefit from American capitalism. If you don't like it, why
> >not try a socialist-communist nation? Maybe North Korea is more your speed.
>
> >> The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
> >> that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
> >> impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
> >> in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
> >> certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
> >> those.
>
> >It is better to be a have than a have-not. What else is new?
>
> >Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
> >have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general.
> >It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations
> >of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
> >other extreme and see what I mean.
>
> >The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
> >imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard
> >Kipling, not a cry baby like you.
>
> >Regards,
>
> >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >aka
> >Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
> them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
> wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
> a person than I thought you were.

He's lower than you think. He's la merde de la merde.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:22 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:nvnug6p2qj6qt9bfdpiemgf1rhlehgctgv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:55:06 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
[...]
>>Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
>>have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in
>>general.
>>It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian
>>nations
>>of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
>>other extreme and see what I mean.
>>
>>The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
>>imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a
>>Rudyard
>>Kipling, not a cry baby like you.
>
> Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
> them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
> wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
> a person than I thought you were.

Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is wrong
with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us.

By the way, no one needed an army in Ruanda to kill hundreds of thousands.
They did it with clubs and knives.

The poor of the world are poor not because of anything the West ever did to
them, but because they have either a fucked up religion which keeps them
poor (Muslims) or their general culture is fucked up (Africa south of the
Sahara). Sometimes it does seem racial, or do you have a better explanation
for why Haiti is such a basket case.

People who breed like rabbits will live like pigs and die like flies. Good
riddance! Damned if I ever want to do anything for them. But if you want to,
go right ahead, but do it on your own dime. What I can't stand are liberal
progressive saps like you who blame it all on the West. The world would be
infinitely worse off without the United States ... just as the European
barbarians would have been worse off without the Roman Empire.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:28 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
the end of times" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:538c9cb7-b085-4a2c-90fe-473c9595f665@o11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 20, 8:54 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
[...]
> Terrorism is what people do when they don't have an army to kill for
> them. If you're ok with killing people all over the world so that the
> wealthy can profit and you can have some crumbs, then you are less of
> a person than I thought you were.

>> He's lower than you think. He's la merde de la merde.

What everybody knows is that you are one fucking idiot. A bullet though your
addled brain is an end devoutly to be wished for. Or pray god, some motorist
will take you out!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:32 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
[...]
> The real cycling world in America is made up of survivors riding junk
bikes on sidewalks. They make up the majority, but not the most
affluent. They don't even come here or are affiliated with a political
party.

> They are the Proles on bikes.

I would like a monkey to piss all over you. After that a monkey can shit in
your mouth. And then you can fornicate with same.

Yea, fuck you and all you represent on these newsgroups.

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 7:07 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

WAS: "The Middle East is our backyard"

This is another way to put it. We make some filthy rich and others
pissed off while we happily burn gas. We are their best clients and
greatest source of malcontent.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:33 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
the end of times" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9fcd2917-c4db-4e05-9428-6a1897724e59@v17g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> WAS: "The Middle East is our backyard"
>
> This is another way to put it. We make some filthy rich and others
> pissed off while we happily burn gas. We are their best clients and
> greatest source of malcontent.

We should never have paid a single cent to the Arabs for the oil. We
developed a need for it and should have made it ours. That is the whole
point of being an imperial power. The entire Middle East was backward even
under the Ottoman Turks. Why we deal with tribal peoples as though they were
nations is beyond me.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:06 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 20, 6:00 am, TLC <tlc.tere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone wants to read the idiotic trash of some real nutters see
> below,
>
> God's global warming worked just fine
>
> Evidence from the pre-Flood world suggests that we need not fear
> global warming from carbon dioxide
>
> http://creation.com/global-warming-facts-and-myths
>
> AND THE RELIGIOUS WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT THEIR VEIWS? THEY MUST BE
> INSANE!!!!

Oh no, they must be really dumb to believe that! They are simply
pitiful and shameful...

"God's global warming worked just fine
Evidence from the pre-Flood world suggests that we need not fear
global warming from carbon dioxide"

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:24 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
the end of times" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e21ebf5c-f971-46d9-9394-e157f4094a29@k11g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 20, 6:00 am, TLC <tlc.tere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone wants to read the idiotic trash of some real nutters see
> below,
>
> God�s global warming worked just fine
>
> Evidence from the pre-Flood world suggests that we need not fear
> global warming from carbon dioxide
>
> http://creation.com/global-warming-facts-and-myths
>
> AND THE RELIGIOUS WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT THEIR VEIWS? THEY MUST BE
> INSANE!!!!

>> Oh no, they must be really dumb to believe that! They are simply
pitiful and shameful...

>> "God�s global warming worked just fine
Evidence from the pre-Flood world suggests that we need not fear
global warming from carbon dioxide"

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is a mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot
even if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:04 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 20, 12:41 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> God is sexually impotent, meaning he's incapable of eradicating
> >> homosexuals even though homosexuality is a "sin" among Christians and
> >> even more among other faiths.
>
> > Or God's potency is more adequately evaluated by noting that He is not
> > subordinate to humankind:
>
> > "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the LORD's purpose
> > that prevails."
>
> >http://bible.cc/proverbs/19-21.htm
>
> Sorry, I meant to prefix my response with: "Your highness, ..."

The "highness" part comes from my superior transportation choice: a
bicycle.

If there was a Jesus who rode a donkey... he would agree with me.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:23 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

From the Dahon website...

"Make a change for the better Economic pressures, environmental
pressures, life pressures. What's a person to do? Dahon makes bikes
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bill, of your workouts, and of your carbon foot print."

This is an invitation to those Christians who are doing nothing. Dahon
is not a God, but the biggest manufacturing of folding bikes. ;)

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 7:31 am
From: Mrs Irish Mike

On Dec 19, 9:32 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No they dont, some include them for free.
>
>

Yes they do, you drug addled loser.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 12:59 pm
From: poopsee2

Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote in
news:f7OdnVpG68F4VZPQnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

>
> poopsee2 <poopsee2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those
>>coatings will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of
>>your money.
>>
>>If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
> Federal standards specify a minimum impact resistance but
> tempering for increased resistance, UV coating (not necessary for
> glass lenses), scratch resistive and anti-reflective coatings
> typically are additional, although, they may be included in the price
> in competitive markets, especially, if you make it clear the charges
> are a deal-breaker. It pays to shop around. The frames are the
> profit-makers in that industry and it will pay you to educate yourself
> in the hallmarks of quality frames in order not to be duped into
> buying shoddy "fashion" frames that will not remain in proper
> alignment over time.

Why do you say that UV is not needed for glass lenses?
I have beginning cataracts and UV light is one of the supposed causes.
For the life of me looking at the various frames I cannot tell the
difference on visual inspection which are better than others, they all
look the same with minor variations. I suppose if theya are all made in
China we could be talking about bad metal or similar? I bought some
plastic ones with the springs in the temple pieces, but I really don't
know if this is a big advantage or not. My sweat eats through the metal
eventually (alien blood? haha), so I chose plastic this time. The
quality of all the frames I have ever had has not been that great, they
all break down over time. I asked them for safety glasses but the frames
they showed me were just as weak looking as the others. Finally gave up
in frustration.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 12:59 pm
From: poopsee2

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8n87urF4neU1@mid.individual.net:

> poopsee2 wrote
>
>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I
>> tried to order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and
>> anti-scratch coating.
>
> There are plenty of other cheap glasses sites which dont do that.
>
>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those
>> coatings will all lenses
>
> That is just plain wrong.
>
>> and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>
> Nope, they are desirable but optional.
>
> Certainly with cheap glasses, you can make a case for not bothering
> with either.
>
>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>
> That varys with how you treat your glasses with the anti scratch
> coating. If you are very careful with them, and always wash the lenses
> with cold water before cleaning them, there is no point in the anti
> scratch coating.
>
> On the other hand, you can certainly make a case for an anti scratch
> coating so you dont have to wash the lenses before cleaning them.
>
> The UV coating obviously is useless if they are only reading glasses
> etc.
>
>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.
>
>

Thanks for your good reply. Please see my reply to Derald above, so I
don't have to repeat here.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 1:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

poopsee2 wrote
> Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote
>> poopsee2 <poopsee2@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those
>>> coatings will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.

>>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

>> Federal standards specify a minimum impact resistance but
>> tempering for increased resistance, UV coating (not necessary for
>> glass lenses), scratch resistive and anti-reflective coatings
>> typically are additional, although, they may be included in the
>> price in competitive markets, especially, if you make it clear the
>> charges are a deal-breaker. It pays to shop around. The frames are
>> the profit-makers in that industry and it will pay you to educate
>> yourself in the hallmarks of quality frames in order not to be duped
>> into buying shoddy "fashion" frames that will not remain in proper
>> alignment over time.

> Why do you say that UV is not needed for glass lenses?

Because the glass absorbs the UV.

> I have beginning cataracts and UV light is one of the supposed causes.

Yes, but you dont get much UV with reading glasses, unless you read outside in the sun.

> For the life of me looking at the various frames I cannot tell the
> difference on visual inspection which are better than others, they
> all look the same with minor variations. I suppose if theya are all
> made in China we could be talking about bad metal or similar?

Nope, just poor design.

> I bought some plastic ones with the springs in the temple pieces,
> but I really don't know if this is a big advantage or not.

More personal preference than anything else. I like them myself.

> My sweat eats through the metal eventually

It wont with the better metals.

> (alien blood? haha), so I chose plastic this time.

It tends to get brittle with time. Whether that matters
depends on how often you change the glasses.

I went for about 30 years with just two pairs of metal framed
glasses which I kept changing just the lenses in, essentially
because they were so comfortable and convenient to use.

> The quality of all the frames I have ever had has
> not been that great, they all break down over time.

Well designed metal frames dont, and are much easier to change the lenses with too.

> I asked them for safety glasses but the frames they
> showed me were just as weak looking as the others.

Safety glasses dont have strong frames, just
make it harder for anything to get to the eyes.

> Finally gave up in frustration.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 10:07 am
From: Tru Dat

of course you don't want an outside door to open directly into the great
outdoors. We made a little space outside with another door.
It's a great space to leave shoes and boots. and firewood. Etc.
It sure buffers the cold winds.
--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:42 pm
From: Charmin

On Dec 20, 1:07 pm, Tru Dat <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> of course you don't want an outside door to open directly into the great
> outdoors. We made a little space outside with another door.
> It's a great space to leave shoes and boots. and firewood. Etc.
> It sure buffers the cold winds.
> --
> Karma, What a concept!

Here in the real world, that's called a "mud room."

Can you post a picture of that. I bet it would be a hoot.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 2:18 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>
>
>
> > I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> > sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> > UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> > Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> > traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> > lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> > share the lane.
>
> > If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> > lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> > We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> > you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> > --------------------------------------------------
>
> > "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.

Maybe. That sounds like a bargain.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 18, 8:13 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 1:53 pm, dali_70 <w_e_coyot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 12:45 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You are stupid, monkey. You need an infusion of human blood.
>
> > > For the record, I am a faithful Catholic, and global warming is an
> > > inevitable consequence of human activity on the Planet. Motion
> > > creates heat. Anyone who denies Global Warming is an idiot. The only
> > > question is, how serious of a problem is it at present? That is a
> > > question on which even the scientists are divided.
>
> > Among evangelicals, fundamentalist's, and other right wing
> > conservative christians, he's spot on. they tend to deny global
> > warming, evolution, the big bang and just about everything else that
> > contradicts their religion or the GOP & it's corporate propaganda of
> > the day.
>
> > I've noticed that among Catholics, even the one's who describe
> > themselves as republican or conservative, tend to go along with the
> > science on things like global warming, evolution and the big bang.
>
> > As for how serious a problem it is at the present, I'd say it's pretty
> > damn serious. It's an exponential problem, the longer we wait the
> > worse it's going to be, and the harder it's going to be to correct, if
> > thats even possible.
>
> So what's your plan?

We can choose to drive an SUV or ride a humble bicycle to the market.

One of the choices is wise.

I just got a new folding bike and went to Target on it. People were
wondering how we folded them and stuck it in the shopping cart. It was
in Orlando, wide sidewalks and no pedestrians. It just proves that
SMALLER IS BETTER, a key component of the Wisdom of the Jungle.

Thought of the day:

"FRUGALITY IS A NEW REALITY."

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:59 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 7:39 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> > prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> >> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >> share the lane.
>
> >> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> > How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> > to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> > largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> and natural gas).

Hey, if that is what it takes to be entitled to the TRAFFIC LANE so be
it.

Some training and certification may be required so the stupid monkeys
don't get on the road like that. I'm referring, of course, to the wild
riders on sidewalks endangering pedestrians.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 8:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 9:27 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> >>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> >>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> >>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >>>> share the lane.
>
> >>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> >>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> >>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> >>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> >> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> >> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> >> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> >> and natural gas).
>
> > There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> > roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> > nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
>
> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous

Depends what you define as a "cyclist"...

I've given instructions to my chain of command to issue the following
licenses to cyclists:

A- Lycra-clad, above 20mph
B- Casual clothing, but in the range of 15-20mph, single speeds are
often found here
C- Practical cycling, 10-15mph and racks are common place
D- Folding bikes, at home on sidewalks

E- The casual ones or kids
F- Those failures riding on sidewalks and proud of it

A,B,C are entitled to the traffic lane.
D,E,F need sidewalks or bike lanes or paths.

In case it matters, I'm in the C,D category -and proud of it.

I do this in my capacity of "Comandante Banana, King of the Apes" and
not Wise TibetanMonkey.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 8:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 17, 10:00 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"T m Sherm nT _ " <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> >messagenews:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
> >>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>
> >> Arabs are Semites also.
>
> >Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>
> >> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
> >> of the U.S. are traitors.
>
> >Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but anti-Semites
> >know that.
>
> >Regards,
>
> >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >aka
> >Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
> wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
> There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
> Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
> even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
> as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
> wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
> than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
> Not to keep us safe Ed.
>
> Here's a direct quote:
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
>
> The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
> that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
> impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
> in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
> certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
> those.

Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.

"Oink, Oink"

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 8:49 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 18, 9:12 am, Peter Cole <peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 9:27 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T m Sherm n _ > wrote:
> >>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> >>>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> >>>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> >>>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >>>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >>>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >>>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >>>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >>>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >>>>> share the lane.
>
> >>>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >>>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >>>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >>>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> >>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> >>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> >>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> >>> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> >>> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> >>> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> >>> and natural gas).
>
> >> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> >> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> >> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
>
> > Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
> > prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
>
> We can't have both?

Good point. Yes, we can have both. There's no exclusion. We may also
have cyclists ride outside the bike lane if they wished.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 6:32 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

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the end of times" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[...]
> Yep, I'm afraid Ed is a CAPITALIST PIG.

> "Oink, Oink"

The first thing I learned many years ago when I came to these cycling
newsgroups was that most members were liberals, if not socialists. This is
not true in the real world of cycling. It is only true on Usenet. In any
event, it has been my pleasure to kick their sorry asses ever since.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 3:54 pm
From: poopsee2

This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.

Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.

If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 4:57 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 12/19/10 15:54, poopsee2 wrote:

> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.
>
> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
> will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>
> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>
> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

Everybody charges extra for various coatings, which may or may not be
worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they
tell you about any extra costs before you finalize your order. They
emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is
what I actually wanted, which I think is extremely thoughtful. Glasses
came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I selected have those nice
spring-hinges and are similar in quality to regular brick+mortar frames.
I paid no attention (at either place!) to the expensive 'designer'
frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember,
they're all made in China anyway.

Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for it,
and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes it's a
real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.

http://www.zennioptical.com/

--
Cheers, Bev
=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=
"Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when
you put it into the body of a great white shark, suddenly
you're a madman." --Futurama

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 5:16 pm
From: Metspitzer

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:17 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/19/10 15:54, poopsee2 wrote:
>
>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
>> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.
>>
>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
>> will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>>
>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>>
>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.
>
>Everybody charges extra for various coatings, which may or may not be
>worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they
>tell you about any extra costs before you finalize your order. They
>emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is
>what I actually wanted, which I think is extremely thoughtful. Glasses
>came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I selected have those nice
>spring-hinges and are similar in quality to regular brick+mortar frames.
> I paid no attention (at either place!) to the expensive 'designer'
>frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember,
>they're all made in China anyway.
>
>Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for it,
>and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes it's a
>real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.
>
I just had my eyes tested. The difference between 1 and 2 is not as
important as if you can read the tiny line they show you at the end.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 5:51 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 12/19/10 17:16, Metspitzer wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:17 -0800, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 12/19/10 15:54, poopsee2 wrote:
>>
>>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
>>> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.
>>>
>>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
>>> will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>>>
>>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
>>>
>>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.
>>
>>Everybody charges extra for various coatings, which may or may not be
>>worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they
>>tell you about any extra costs before you finalize your order. They
>>emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is
>>what I actually wanted, which I think is extremely thoughtful. Glasses
>>came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I selected have those nice
>>spring-hinges and are similar in quality to regular brick+mortar frames.
>> I paid no attention (at either place!) to the expensive 'designer'
>>frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember,
>>they're all made in China anyway.
>>
>>Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for it,
>>and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes it's a
>>real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.
>>
> I just had my eyes tested. The difference between 1 and 2 is not as
> important as if you can read the tiny line they show you at the end.

I can NEVER read that line. Apparently some uncorrectable astigmatism.
Shit happens.

--
Cheers, Bev
*****************************************************************
"Why does everybody always forget the eigthth dwarf? Just because
poor old Lumpy died of cancer doesn't mean he should be written
out of history." -- RMassey

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 7:09 pm
From: Derald

poopsee2 <poopsee2@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings
>will all lenses and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.
>
>If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.
Federal standards specify a minimum impact resistance but
tempering for increased resistance, UV coating (not necessary for
glass lenses), scratch resistive and anti-reflective coatings
typically are additional, although, they may be included in the price
in competitive markets, especially, if you make it clear the charges
are a deal-breaker. It pays to shop around. The frames are the
profit-makers in that industry and it will pay you to educate yourself
in the hallmarks of quality frames in order not to be duped into
buying shoddy "fashion" frames that will not remain in proper
alignment over time.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:00 pm
From: Tru Dat

In article <iem5vh$u1o$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
poopsee2 <poopsee2@yahoo.com> wrote:

I Googled , Eye Exercises and found out sometimes you can do w/o them
damn glasses altogether. see, Vision Improvement.
Yes, I now no longer need glasses.
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

poopsee2 wrote

> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I tried to
> order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and anti-scratch coating.

There are plenty of other cheap glasses sites which dont do that.

> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings will all lenses

That is just plain wrong.

> and this is just a gimmick to get more of your money.

Nope, they are desirable but optional.

Certainly with cheap glasses, you can make a case for not bothering with either.

> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

That varys with how you treat your glasses with the anti scratch coating.
If you are very careful with them, and always wash the lenses with cold
water before cleaning them, there is no point in the anti scratch coating.

On the other hand, you can certainly make a case for an anti scratch
coating so you dont have to wash the lenses before cleaning them.

The UV coating obviously is useless if they are only reading glasses etc.

> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev wrote
> poopsee2 wrote

>> This eyeglass place that advertises low prices for glasses, when I
>> tried to order they try to tack on charges for UV coating and
>> anti-scratch coating.

>> Seems to me I remember reading a long time ago that you get those coatings will all lenses and this is just a gimmick
>> to get more of your money.

>> If not, does anyone know if these are worth the extra money or not.

>> I did a google search on this for this group and found nothing.

> Everybody charges extra for various coatings,

No they dont, some include them for free.

> which may or may not be worthwhile. Zenni's minimum price is $7+$5 shipping per order, and they tell you about any
> extra costs before you finalize your order.

> They emailed me back a couple of times to make sure that what I'd ordered is what I actually wanted, which I think is
> extremely
> thoughtful. Glasses came in about 2 weeks. The cheap frames I
> selected have those nice spring-hinges and are similar in quality to
> regular brick+mortar frames. I paid no attention (at either place!)
> to the expensive 'designer' frames, but brand names may mean a lot to you -- or not. Remember, they're all made in
> China anyway.

> Be sure your prescription is good, though. They take your word for
> it, and your optometrist might not have been accurate -- sometimes
> it's a real bitch telling the difference between 1, 2, and 'same'.

> http://www.zennioptical.com/

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