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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 2:36 pm
From: James Schrumpf
Quiet, Google Beta User <wanyikuli@gmail.com> -- I'm transmitting rage.
> http://quotes.stocknod.com/stocknod/?GUID=10077248&Page=MediaViewer&Chann
> elID=3198
>
> Basically, Europe is "wealther" than the USA for the first time since
> World War I.
>
> In real terms, standard of living, culture, health of it's citizens,
> etc. what's the implication?
>
The French are killing themselves at an amazing rate:
The World Health Organization put the suicide rate in France at 26.4 per
100,000 for men and 9.2 for women in 2005. That is the highest among large
European economies, but still well behind Japan. In the United States, the
comparable rates are 17.7 for men and 4.5 for women.
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James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:06 pm
From: KopThat
On Oct 8, 3:12 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://quotes.stocknod.com/stocknod/?GUID=10077248&Page=MediaViewer&C...
>
> Basically, Europe is "wealther" than the USA for the first time since
> World War I.
>
> In real terms, standard of living, culture, health of it's citizens,
> etc. what's the implication?
It means prepare to be invaded.
Tre...
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 3:26 pm
From: Patriot Games
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Buford Pusser
<hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 7, 11:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>Relax. It's just Obama fulfillng his promise to "spread the wealth for
>social justice". I need to head to Detroit with a truckload of MD
>20/20,44ounce Shlitz malt likker,unfiltered Camel cigarettes,saturday
>night special throwdown pistols,ammunition,gold/rhinestone grilles,and
>fat ugly white ho's !! I could make a FORTUNE !!
Just some friendly advice.....
Safety Tip #1: You need TWO trucks. One truck for all the stuff. A
second truck for the fat ugly white ho's OTHERWISE they'll smoke the
cigarettes, drink up the drinks, get stupid and start shootin' each
other.
Safety Tip #2: Don't feed or water the fat ugly white ho's before you
put 'em in the back of the U-Haul but DO have buckets of Extra Crispy
at the ready when you get to Detroit.
America appreciates your trying to help the economy.
Drive careful!
== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 3:43 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 1:02 pm, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>
> > Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>
> > tt
>
> Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
> enough talk about Americans.
>
> First off it is not your money. It is the money of the US government.
> They can print it, or they can tax it, they could outlaw it if it
> serves their purpose. Didn't Christ say something about this? Too many
> Christians when its easy
>
> Second, why are all these people without money? The easy answer is
> that they are lazy and shiftless. The hard answer is that it is a
> complicated situation. All the jobs have gone elsewhere for the
> benifit of a few. There are no jobs due to globalization, trickledown
> theories, NAFTA, 'freetrade' and so many more programs that have sold
> the working middle class down the river.
>
> Those few who continue to benifit from the current situation chuckle
> when they see you dehumanize each other with words like "groids".
> Divide and conquer, hang together or hang seperatly and all that.
>
> Much of today's problems are looked at with a centuries old outlook.
> It used to be that if you were without work, you could pack up and
> move to the frontier. Well the frontier is closed, there are no new
> places to settle. Too many of us are considered excess and are victims
> of the current buisness cycle. We need to look at the situation with a
> post industrial philosophy and make room and opportunity for all
> Americans.
well said. conservatives have a useless eaters attitude, which lost
them the war. the countries that beat the conservatives, understood we
are one.
== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 3:46 pm
From: Mrs Irish Mike
On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>
> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>
> tt
We give some children a crappy education and then wonder as they act
ignorant.
We exclude some people from opportunities and then wonder why they
don't participate.
We outsource living wage jobs and wonder why people are so lazy.
We flood certain neighborhoods with cheap drink and drugs and wonder
why those places suck.
We dump all of society problems in prisons that rival many third
world hell holes, except we do it in numbers that no other country
comes close to; and then we wonder why we have some many criminals.
We had a government so screwed up that America is no longer the great
place it was; and then we wonder why people ELECTED a "groid" who is
full of "Collectivist" ideas.
You've gots to be kiddin'.
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:10 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 1:29 pm, Buford Pusser <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 1:02 pm, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>
> > > Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>
> > > tt
>
> > Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
> > enough talk about Americans.
>
> > First off it is not your money. It is the money of the US government.
> > They can print it, or they can tax it, they could outlaw it if it
> > serves their purpose. Didn't Christ say something about this? Too many
> > Christians when its easy
>
> Pardon me but where does government get "it's money" ?? Do they
> have a job and EARN it?? Or,does the government confiscate taxpayer's
> money at gunpoint and squander it as they damned well please? (usually
> to buy votes)
>
ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!! what a idiot. government has the right to print,
and as much as they like, its in the constitution. citizens derive
their currency, thru government.
> > Second, why are all these people without money? The easy answer is
> > that they are lazy and shiftless. The hard answer is that it is a
> > complicated situation. All the jobs have gone elsewhere for the
> > benifit of a few. There are no jobs due to globalization, trickledown
> > theories, NAFTA, 'freetrade' and so many more programs that have sold
> > the working middle class down the river.
>
> Perhaps all these people lining up for a handout have been
> convinced by the current POTUS that he's there to spread the wealth
> for social justice. To return the wealth from the people it was stolen
> from (by whites from blacks)
>
so far almost all money for bailouts that started under the
republicans, went to wealthy wall street parasites. obama has spent
very little compared to what the conservatives lavished on wall
street.
> > Those few who continue to benifit from the current situation chuckle
> > when they see you dehumanize each other with words like "groids".
> > Divide and conquer, hang together or hang seperatly and all that.
>
> Much like the term "white devils" used by
> Rev.Jeremiah"GAWDAYUMMAMURICA"Wight in his hundreds of sermons
> preaching racism,hatred an Black Liberation Theology.
>
but did he gas and murder millions like the conservatives on the
right, hitler and mussolini:)
> > Much of today's problems are looked at with a centuries old outlook.
> > It used to be that if you were without work, you could pack up and
> > move to the frontier. Well the frontier is closed, there are no new
> > places to settle. Too many of us are considered excess and are victims
> > of the current buisness cycle. We need to look at the situation with a
> > post industrial philosophy and make room and opportunity for all
> > Americans.
>
> And how would you suggest we do that?? With more restrictive
> government regulations,taxes and laws? Have you ever owned a business
> or even tried to start one??
its quite possible he has, just like me. he probably understands
demand, demand is wage driven, and without demand, we have
depressions. demand collapsed under bush, just as it did under hoover.
it will take years to repair demand, meanwhile, rely on worn out
completely discredited free market economics.
as Einstein rightly said, conservatism is a disease of the mind.
== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:17 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty
Patriot Games wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Buford Pusser
> <hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 11:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>> Relax. It's just Obama fulfillng his promise to "spread the wealth for
>> social justice". I need to head to Detroit with a truckload of MD
>> 20/20,44ounce Shlitz malt likker,unfiltered Camel cigarettes,saturday
>> night special throwdown pistols,ammunition,gold/rhinestone grilles,and
>> fat ugly white ho's !! I could make a FORTUNE !!
>
> Just some friendly advice.....
>
> Safety Tip #1: You need TWO trucks. One truck for all the stuff. A
> second truck for the fat ugly white ho's OTHERWISE they'll smoke the
> cigarettes, drink up the drinks, get stupid and start shootin' each
> other.
>
> Safety Tip #2: Don't feed or water the fat ugly white ho's before you
> put 'em in the back of the U-Haul but DO have buckets of Extra Crispy
> at the ready when you get to Detroit.
>
> America appreciates your trying to help the economy.
>
> Drive careful!
>
Some good Ideas, you guys need to apply to work for FEMA.
== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:18 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 1:46 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>
> >> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>
> >> tt
>
> > Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
> > enough talk about Americans.
>
> I'm not my brother's keeper. Keep your collectivist bullshit to yourself.
>
>
we the people in order to form, well you know, the founders were
collectivists:)
>
> > First off it is not your money. It is the money of the US government.
>
> It's not. Don't be such a fucking idiot. The money represents wealth,
> and the government does not create wealth. All they can do is seize
> wealth from those who create it. The wealth doesn't belong to the
> government. Got that? They take it.
>
good god, you keep right on with the silly crap. somalia should be
the richest country in the world, after all, its considered the
freest:)
> > They can print it, or they can tax it, they could outlaw it if it
> > serves their purpose. Didn't Christ say something about this? Too many
> > Christians when its easy
>
> Money is a store of value, a numeraire commodity, an accounting unit.
> The government cannot outlaw that.
>
they can print it, you cannot, and they can set its value, and you
cannot.
> > Second, why are all these people without money? The easy answer is
> > that they are lazy and shiftless. The hard answer is that it is a
> > complicated situation. All the jobs have gone elsewhere for the
> > benifit of a few. There are no jobs due to globalization, trickledown
> > theories, NAFTA, 'freetrade' and so many more programs that have sold
> > the working middle class down the river.
>
> Your "hard answer" is leftist bullshit. Start with "all the jobs have
> gone elsewhere for the benefit of the few". That's simply bullshit.
ROTFLOL, lets refine it a bit, most good paying jobs in
manufacturing, and now service has left america, what few are left,
are heading to the conservative paradise run by commies for the short
term gain of a few:)
It
> relies on a fallacy of thinking about economics, commonly called the
> "lump of labor" fallacy. Look it up; if you want me to teach you
> economics, you have to pay me. The rest is just a concatenation of
> terms you don't understand.
you know nothing, just as milton friedman knew nothing. in fact, he
knew so little, that he refused in most cases to give interviews,
unless he could control the questions.
what is demand, and what drives demand? i asked you in another thread
a while back, is the monetary supply shrinking, or exploding right
now? i will hold my breath in anticipation of your eloquent answer, i
am still holding it from the last time:)
== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:32 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 11:46 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> >>> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
> >>>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
> >>>> tt
> >>> Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
> >>> enough talk about Americans.
> >> I'm not my brother's keeper. Keep your collectivist bullshit to yourself.
>
> > Funny you should misquote the Bible, "I'm not brother's keeper". The
> > person who said that was Cain when asked about Abel shortly after
> > murdering him.
>
> No misquote. The term has come to mean, over time, that people are
> responsible for the welfare of others, those "others" usually being
> people who *refuse* to take responsibility for themselves.
>
> > Collectivist bullshit?
>
> Yes, collectivist bullshit, asshole. No one has any "right" to my
> effort. I *choose* voluntarily to incur obligations to others - my wife
> and child, others I care about - and they then have a reasonable
> expectation that I will meet those obligations. When you and other
> leftist assholes start preaching to me about what I owe people to whom I
> have no connection other than an accident of geography, I tell you to
> fuck off, and you *do* fuck off.
>
> > Is that to do with united as in United States?
> > Was it collectivists who wiped out smallpox? Made the US a nearly 100%
> > literate society? I don't understand this collectivist insult. Do you
> > mean people working together to solve problems? Then count me in.
>
> Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
> That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
> include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
> deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
> my problem.
>
> > You're right, I don't know what "lump of labor" means, but I'm
> > reading about it now and I'm sure it will take several days to have it
> > fully sink in.
>
> It likely never will.
>
> > What I do know is the difference between right and
> > wrong.
>
> No, you very clearly do not. If you think it's "right" that I can be
> compelled to provide for someone else about whom I don't care, then you
> have no real understanding of right and wrong: *you* are morally wrong
> if you believe that.
the founders were collectivists, anyone with a pulse who can read,
knows the constitution is a collectivist document.
== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:34 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 3:08 pm, Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
> > That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
> > include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
> > deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
> > my problem.
>
> "That's false"? How did you get to decide?
>
> "Only individuals have rights..." If only that were true.
> Corporations have the right to make donations. Corporations have this
> right and that. Churches have the right to do X, Governments also have
> rights.
>
> "... and those rights do not include a right to the productive effort
> of others." You think? So, I have no right to medicines developed with
> grants from governments. I don't have the right to cheap food based
> mainly on the effecient highway systems. I don't have the right to
> clean air and water? What are you saying?
>
> "If some Detroit deadbeat..." There you go, dehumanizing a person to
> make it easier.
>
> "... doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
> my problem." Ok, let us say that the Xtian premise, what so ever you
> do to the least of your brothers, doesn't have room in a political
> discussion. So in the future I don't want to hear any Adam and Steve
> BS or Christian foundation for the country arguements.
>
> Continuing: "... doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit,
> that's not my problem." First it does become your problem when crime
> increases, when diseases spread and revolution smolders. Secondly,
> what happens to your children's children when they are also absorbed
> into the poverty level? The gap between rich and poor is reaching
> those levels of third world countries. Just think, in the future
> foriegn visitors will be paying to see grandchildren perform donkey
> shows.
>
> The policies of the recent past have not benifited the majority of
> people. That is why the people voted for change. If you are correct,
> things will change again.
you have to wonder if all of those anti-collectivists droolers,
invest in corporations:)
== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:43 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>>>>>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>>>>>> tt
>>>>> Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
>>>>> enough talk about Americans.
>>>> I'm not my brother's keeper. Keep your collectivist bullshit to yourself.
>>> Funny you should misquote the Bible, "I'm not brother's keeper". The
>>> person who said that was Cain when asked about Abel shortly after
>>> murdering him.
>> No misquote. The term has come to mean, over time, that people are
>> responsible for the welfare of others, those "others" usually being
>> people who *refuse* to take responsibility for themselves.
>>
>>> Collectivist bullshit?
>> Yes, collectivist bullshit, asshole. No one has any "right" to my
>> effort. I *choose* voluntarily to incur obligations to others - my wife
>> and child, others I care about - and they then have a reasonable
>> expectation that I will meet those obligations. When you and other
>> leftist assholes start preaching to me about what I owe people to whom I
>> have no connection other than an accident of geography, I tell you to
>> fuck off, and you *do* fuck off.
>>
>>> Is that to do with united as in United States?
>>> Was it collectivists who wiped out smallpox? Made the US a nearly 100%
>>> literate society? I don't understand this collectivist insult. Do you
>>> mean people working together to solve problems? Then count me in.
>> Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
>> That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
>> include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
>> deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
>> my problem.
>>
>>> You're right, I don't know what "lump of labor" means, but I'm
>>> reading about it now and I'm sure it will take several days to have it
>>> fully sink in.
>> It likely never will.
>>
>>> What I do know is the difference between right and
>>> wrong.
>> No, you very clearly do not. If you think it's "right" that I can be
>> compelled to provide for someone else about whom I don't care, then you
>> have no real understanding of right and wrong: *you* are morally wrong
>> if you believe that.
>
> the founders were collectivists, anyone with a pulse who can read,
> knows the constitution is a collectivist document.
You been eating moldy bread.....?
The constitution and the Bill of Rights point out individual rights of
the people.
Each person has a right to free speech, otherwise it would be only when
we all speak at once and in harmony?
Were they really that kind of collectivist, why have 13 colonies and
not just the one great Federal government? Who needs individual States
when we can just be one collective.
== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 5:03 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 3:17 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 12:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
> >> That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
> >> include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
> >> deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
> >> my problem.
>
> > "That's false"? How did you get to decide?
>
> Sorry, pal - that's just how it is. Individuals are, and should be,
> paramount. Deal with it.
>
>
according to your own personal opinion, correct, but in america, its
we the people in order to form a more perfect union:) you did not used
to be known as beal did you? he was another idiot that was impervious
to facts, logic, and reason
>
> > "Only individuals have rights..." If only that were true.
> > Corporations have the right to make donations. Corporations have this
> > right and that. Churches have the right to do X, Governments also have
> > rights.
>
> A corporation is a legal person.
>
a corporation is a collective, that managed to get the legal
definition changed for them by a fluke in recording a decision in the
supreme court back in the later half of the 1800's. what s given can
be taken away. the founders distrusted the collectivists that ran
corporations, its what the founders rebelled against in the first
place.
> > "... and those rights do not include a right to the productive effort
> > of others." You think?
>
> No, I *KNOW* for certain.
>
the government has given permission for the collectives known as
corporations to exist in the first place. government provides the
legal framework that protects the property of said collective. so
government needs to be rewarded for providing the protection of the
collectives properties, including proprietary property.
other wise, if this was not true, every corporation in the world
would be incorporated in somalia:)
> > So, I have no right to medicines developed with
> > grants from governments.
>
> Absolutely none. If you want it, you pay for it.
>
this is also known in the free market as, free market, self
responsible, self reliant, rugged individuals, as they pull themselves
up by the bootstraps of their wealthy parents, with tax payer monies.
you will notice he never quibbled over the subsidy you and i provide,
and he never quibbles over the profit from said subsidy either:)
> I believe the government should not fund drug research in the first place.
>
well, honesty, even if its stupid, is refreshing.
> > I don't have the right to cheap food based
> > mainly on the effecient highway systems.
>
> You don't have any "right" to food, period. If you want food, earn the
> money to pay for some, or beg for it. Understand that if your begging
> doesn't result in any food or money being given to you, you'll go
> hungry. That's just how it is, and it is good.
>
that is the useless eaters theory that hitler and mussolini employed,
how well did it work for them:)
> > I don't have the right to
> > clean air and water?
>
> No. You don't have *any* right to any material good or service.
>
that is not what the constitution says. it says to promote and
provide for the general welfare of americans.
> > What are you saying?
>
> Just what I said above: you have no rights to any goods or services.
>
what he is saying is, that he is a fascist.
>
>
> > "If some Detroit deadbeat..." There you go, dehumanizing a person to
> > make it easier.
>
> No, there's no dehumanization at all. Some people just are deadbeats.
> I don't care about them. More to the point, I do not *owe* them any
> consideration regarding their material welfare. If they're hungry,
> that's too bad for them.
yea, let the humans die.
It's not my concern, nor should it be...unless
> I *choose* to make it my concern. No one else - not you, not 10,000
> people like you - has the moral authority to tell me it "ought" to be my
> concern. I'll concern myself with it only if I want to do so. Everyone
> else can fuck off, you most of all.
>
>
the government made up of we the people not only has the moral
authority, buts its ingrained in the constitution. conservatives/
libertarians are insane, they are missing certain aspects in their
personalities of what makes up a complete whole human being, they lack
empathy, remorse, pity, ethic's, morals, and have no conscience.
>
> > "... doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
> > my problem." Ok, let us say that the Xtian premise,
>
> No, allow *me*: it's bullshit.
>
no allow me, we beat you in WWII. and we will beat you again.
> > Continuing: "... doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit,
> > that's not my problem." First it does become your problem when crime
> > increases,
>
> Lock him up. If he busts into my house in the middle of the night, I'll
> shoot him dead.
>
so, the true conservative comes out, all poor people are criminals.
> > when diseases spread and revolution smolders.
>
> Go ahead and keep jerking off with your collectivist crap if it makes
> you feel better. It won't change the fact that the deadbeat's welfare
> is not my concern. It also doesn't change the fact that collectivists
> like you simply don't have the moral power to make it my concern.
> You're pissing in the ocean, pal.
you can lack empathy, but if we decide, you still have to pay your
taxes:)
== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 5:05 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 3:31 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 1:17 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> pal.
>
> > You're not my pal.
>
> I'm damned glad of that, "pal".
>
> > Darwin's survival of the fittest is for rats and cockroaches, not
> > humans.
>
> It works just fine for humans.
>
> Listen, "pal": you want to fork over what you can earn (if anything) to
> deadbeats, that's your business. Just keep your grubby fucking mitts
> off my wallet, got it? Stop trying to tell me what my moral obligations
> are. You have no standing to tell me. Your moral views are fucked up,
> but even if I thought they were acceptable, you *still* have no moral
> standing to dictate to me morally. Got it, "pal"? Fuck off.
but, if we decide, you still have to pay your taxes:)
== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 5:15 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 6:43 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com> wrote:
> Nickname unavailable wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> >>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
> >>>>>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
> >>>>>> tt
> >>>>> Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
> >>>>> enough talk about Americans.
> >>>> I'm not my brother's keeper. Keep your collectivist bullshit to yourself.
> >>> Funny you should misquote the Bible, "I'm not brother's keeper". The
> >>> person who said that was Cain when asked about Abel shortly after
> >>> murdering him.
> >> No misquote. The term has come to mean, over time, that people are
> >> responsible for the welfare of others, those "others" usually being
> >> people who *refuse* to take responsibility for themselves.
>
> >>> Collectivist bullshit?
> >> Yes, collectivist bullshit, asshole. No one has any "right" to my
> >> effort. I *choose* voluntarily to incur obligations to others - my wife
> >> and child, others I care about - and they then have a reasonable
> >> expectation that I will meet those obligations. When you and other
> >> leftist assholes start preaching to me about what I owe people to whom I
> >> have no connection other than an accident of geography, I tell you to
> >> fuck off, and you *do* fuck off.
>
> >>> Is that to do with united as in United States?
> >>> Was it collectivists who wiped out smallpox? Made the US a nearly 100%
> >>> literate society? I don't understand this collectivist insult. Do you
> >>> mean people working together to solve problems? Then count me in.
> >> Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
> >> That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
> >> include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
> >> deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
> >> my problem.
>
> >>> You're right, I don't know what "lump of labor" means, but I'm
> >>> reading about it now and I'm sure it will take several days to have it
> >>> fully sink in.
> >> It likely never will.
>
> >>> What I do know is the difference between right and
> >>> wrong.
> >> No, you very clearly do not. If you think it's "right" that I can be
> >> compelled to provide for someone else about whom I don't care, then you
> >> have no real understanding of right and wrong: *you* are morally wrong
> >> if you believe that.
>
> > the founders were collectivists, anyone with a pulse who can read,
> > knows the constitution is a collectivist document.
>
> You been eating moldy bread.....?
>
we have been thru this before. read the declaration, preamble, and
the constitution. the bill of rights gives rights to the people, not
person, people.
> The constitution and the Bill of Rights point out individual rights of
> the people.
>
correct, people, not person, but people. but the bill of rights is
not the complete constitution, its but a part of it, and part of it
says to promote, and provide for the general welfare of the people. as
well as the right to regulate the economy.
> Each person has a right to free speech, otherwise it would be only when
> we all speak at once and in harmony?
>
that is a collective right, its a right for all. but that right has
limits, such as liable, shouting fire, slander.
> Were they really that kind of collectivist, why have 13 colonies and
> not just the one great Federal government? Who needs individual States
> when we can just be one collective.
i have shown you the supremacy clause more than once. states have
rights, except if that right clash's with federal law, regulations, or
treaties, then federal law trumps state law.
== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 5:24 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>>
>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>>
>> tt
>
> We give some children a crappy education and then wonder as they act
> ignorant.
"crappy education" -- that's deliberate "liberal" education policy.
> We exclude some people from opportunities
No.
> We outsource living wage jobs and wonder why people are so lazy.
No one has a "right" to a job at a particular wage.
> We flood certain neighborhoods with cheap drink and drugs
No. People in those neighborhoods are buying what they want. Do you
presume to tell them what to eat and drink, too? You want to run
everything else in their lives...
> We dump all of society problems in prisons
No. Drug offenders shouldn't be there. Everyone else in prison belongs
there.
> We had a government so screwed up that America is no longer the great
> place it was;
America isn't the great place it once was due to leftist sabotage.
== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 5:42 pm
From: Nickname unavailable
On Oct 7, 7:24 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>
> >> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>
> >> tt
>
> > We give some children a crappy education and then wonder as they act
> > ignorant.
>
> "crappy education" -- that's deliberate "liberal" education policy.
>
as we see today, there are many hundreds of thousands, if not
millions of students who were in for profit private schools that have
collapsed financially, enrolling in public, non-profit schools, and
the charter schools are not far behind the for profit private schools,
many of them to are failing:)
> > We exclude some people from opportunities
>
> No.
>
yes. aristocracies always do that.
> > We outsource living wage jobs and wonder why people are so lazy.
>
> No one has a "right" to a job at a particular wage.
>
that is not true, we have a minimum wage that passes constitutional
muster:)
> > We flood certain neighborhoods with cheap drink and drugs
>
> No. People in those neighborhoods are buying what they want. Do you
> presume to tell them what to eat and drink, too? You want to run
> everything else in their lives...
>
as we have seem today, collectives flooded america with crappy food
back in the late 1800's/early 1900's, till we the people forced food
safety practices. later on, then it became nutritional standards, once
we saw the rats starved on white bread sold by collectives, today, we
need new standards to wipe out the collectivists use of cheap,
artificial molecules, that enhance sweetness, and flavor, and extend
shelf life for higher profits for the collective, but cause all sorts
of diseases such as heart attacks and diabetes.
> > We dump all of society problems in prisons
>
> No. Drug offenders shouldn't be there. Everyone else in prison belongs
> there.
>
you are sure of that blanket statement correct?
> > We had a government so screwed up that America is no longer the great
> > place it was;
>
> America isn't the great place it once was due to leftist sabotage.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, america was the envy of the world, but
it has been all down hill since 1981.
== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 5:54 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>>>>>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>>>>>> tt
>>>>> Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
>>>>> enough talk about Americans.
>>>> I'm not my brother's keeper. Keep your collectivist bullshit to yourself.
>>> Funny you should misquote the Bible, "I'm not brother's keeper". The
>>> person who said that was Cain when asked about Abel shortly after
>>> murdering him.
>> No misquote. The term has come to mean, over time, that people are
>> responsible for the welfare of others, those "others" usually being
>> people who *refuse* to take responsibility for themselves.
>>
>>> Collectivist bullshit?
>> Yes, collectivist bullshit, asshole. No one has any "right" to my
>> effort. I *choose* voluntarily to incur obligations to others - my wife
>> and child, others I care about - and they then have a reasonable
>> expectation that I will meet those obligations. When you and other
>> leftist assholes start preaching to me about what I owe people to whom I
>> have no connection other than an accident of geography, I tell you to
>> fuck off, and you *do* fuck off.
>>
>>> Is that to do with united as in United States?
>>> Was it collectivists who wiped out smallpox? Made the US a nearly 100%
>>> literate society? I don't understand this collectivist insult. Do you
>>> mean people working together to solve problems? Then count me in.
>> Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
>> That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
>> include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
>> deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
>> my problem.
>>
>>> You're right, I don't know what "lump of labor" means, but I'm
>>> reading about it now and I'm sure it will take several days to have it
>>> fully sink in.
>> It likely never will.
>>
>>> What I do know is the difference between right and
>>> wrong.
>> No, you very clearly do not. If you think it's "right" that I can be
>> compelled to provide for someone else about whom I don't care, then you
>> have no real understanding of right and wrong: *you* are morally wrong
>> if you believe that.
>
> the founders were collectivists,
Absolutely they were not.
== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 6:11 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If some Detroit
>deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
>my problem.
yes you do
there will be accountability in the next life
== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 6:26 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty
Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Oct 7, 6:43 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
> dog.com> wrote:
>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>> On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 9:44 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21215978/detail.html
>>>>>>>> Whatta hoot! Except it's costing money, our money.
>>>>>>>> tt
>>>>>>> Our money? As opposed to what? Their money? Too much us vs them, not
>>>>>>> enough talk about Americans.
>>>>>> I'm not my brother's keeper. Keep your collectivist bullshit to yourself.
>>>>> Funny you should misquote the Bible, "I'm not brother's keeper". The
>>>>> person who said that was Cain when asked about Abel shortly after
>>>>> murdering him.
>>>> No misquote. The term has come to mean, over time, that people are
>>>> responsible for the welfare of others, those "others" usually being
>>>> people who *refuse* to take responsibility for themselves.
>>>>> Collectivist bullshit?
>>>> Yes, collectivist bullshit, asshole. No one has any "right" to my
>>>> effort. I *choose* voluntarily to incur obligations to others - my wife
>>>> and child, others I care about - and they then have a reasonable
>>>> expectation that I will meet those obligations. When you and other
>>>> leftist assholes start preaching to me about what I owe people to whom I
>>>> have no connection other than an accident of geography, I tell you to
>>>> fuck off, and you *do* fuck off.
>>>>> Is that to do with united as in United States?
>>>>> Was it collectivists who wiped out smallpox? Made the US a nearly 100%
>>>>> literate society? I don't understand this collectivist insult. Do you
>>>>> mean people working together to solve problems? Then count me in.
>>>> Collectivism means that groups are more important than individuals.
>>>> That's false. Only individuals have rights, and those rights do not
>>>> include a right to the productive effort of others. If some Detroit
>>>> deadbeat doesn't have enough to eat or a warm place to shit, that's not
>>>> my problem.
>>>>> You're right, I don't know what "lump of labor" means, but I'm
>>>>> reading about it now and I'm sure it will take several days to have it
>>>>> fully sink in.
>>>> It likely never will.
>>>>> What I do know is the difference between right and
>>>>> wrong.
>>>> No, you very clearly do not. If you think it's "right" that I can be
>>>> compelled to provide for someone else about whom I don't care, then you
>>>> have no real understanding of right and wrong: *you* are morally wrong
>>>> if you believe that.
>>> the founders were collectivists, anyone with a pulse who can read,
>>> knows the constitution is a collectivist document.
>> You been eating moldy bread.....?
>>
>
> we have been thru this before. read the declaration, preamble, and
> the constitution. the bill of rights gives rights to the people, not
> person, people.
>
>
>> The constitution and the Bill of Rights point out individual rights of
>> the people.
>>
>
> correct, people, not person, but people. but the bill of rights is
> not the complete constitution, its but a part of it, and part of it
> says to promote, and provide for the general welfare of the people. as
> well as the right to regulate the economy.
>
>
>> Each person has a right to free speech, otherwise it would be only when
>> we all speak at once and in harmony?
>>
>
> that is a collective right, its a right for all. but that right has
> limits, such as liable, shouting fire, slander.
>
So it is for each person.
>
>> Were they really that kind of collectivist, why have 13 colonies and
>> not just the one great Federal government? Who needs individual States
>> when we can just be one collective.
>
> i have shown you the supremacy clause more than once. states have
> rights, except if that right clash's with federal law, regulations, or
> treaties, then federal law trumps state law.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 3:33 pm
From: Mrs Irish Mike
On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Can anyone point me towards a national grocery chain deal on pierogies? I
> used to stock up on a 16 ounce bag for $1 at Deal$, but they no longer carry
> that brand. Now they have a 14 ounce bag of another brand for $1.50. It
> kind of seems like an insult, with them raising the price 50%, and at the
> same time decreasing the package size.
>
> Anyway, I LOVE pierogies, but I'm not sure what is considered a good deal
> on them any more, and would appreciate some pointers.
Pierogies are good, especially if you make them yourself. I just have
to wonder what is in something that is processed, packaged and frozen
AND sells for less than a buck a pound. There are very few foods these
days that sell for a buck a pound, let alone something I want to put
in my stomach.
Here is a recipe for pierogies that is easy. It takes about an hour,
but you can make lots for freezing. And you can control the quality.
http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/recipes/r/pierogies.htm
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:57 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), Mrs Irish Mike
<wilma6116@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 7, 2:34?pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> ? Can anyone point me towards a national grocery chain deal on pierogies? ?I
>> used to stock up on a 16 ounce bag for $1 at Deal$, but they no longer carry
>> that brand. ?Now they have a 14 ounce bag of another brand for $1.50. ?It
>> kind of seems like an insult, with them raising the price 50%, and at the
>> same time decreasing the package size.
>>
>> ? Anyway, I LOVE pierogies, but I'm not sure what is considered a good deal
>> on them any more, and would appreciate some pointers.
>
>Pierogies are good, especially if you make them yourself. I just have
>to wonder what is in something that is processed, packaged and frozen
>AND sells for less than a buck a pound. There are very few foods these
>days that sell for a buck a pound, let alone something I want to put
>in my stomach.
>
> Here is a recipe for pierogies that is easy. It takes about an hour,
>but you can make lots for freezing. And you can control the quality.
>http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/recipes/r/pierogies.htm
Looks good, but a couple comments.
Wife (a Polka) uses farmer's cheese instead of cheddar.
Real Polacks never heard of cheddar.
They can be put in a strainer after boiling, then served.
We only fry what's left over and gone cold. I like fresh best.
Try chopping and frying some bacon to pour over them.
--Vic
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:08 pm
From: Azz Pizz
"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in
news:hX6zm.17902$ma7.416@newsfe04.iad:
> Anyway, I LOVE pierogies, but I'm not sure what is considered a good
> deal
> on them any more, and would appreciate some pointers.
Lol I just had some! My mom bakes them instead of frying, and somehow it's
less fat. Doesn't taste that way though!
--
Azz Pizz Institute
The OFFICIAL Verbal Diarrhea Think Tank (tm)
Washington, DC
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:13 pm
From: George
Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2:34 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> Can anyone point me towards a national grocery chain deal on pierogies? I
>> used to stock up on a 16 ounce bag for $1 at Deal$, but they no longer carry
>> that brand. Now they have a 14 ounce bag of another brand for $1.50. It
>> kind of seems like an insult, with them raising the price 50%, and at the
>> same time decreasing the package size.
>>
>> Anyway, I LOVE pierogies, but I'm not sure what is considered a good deal
>> on them any more, and would appreciate some pointers.
>
> Pierogies are good, especially if you make them yourself. I just have
> to wonder what is in something that is processed, packaged and frozen
> AND sells for less than a buck a pound. There are very few foods these
> days that sell for a buck a pound, let alone something I want to put
> in my stomach.
Totally agree. Those industrial versions are pretty bad and belong in
school cafeterias and big box restaurants.
>
> Here is a recipe for pierogies that is easy. It takes about an hour,
> but you can make lots for freezing. And you can control the quality.
> http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/recipes/r/pierogies.htm
They really aren't that hard to make and the home made versions are 100
times better than the industrial versions.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:19 pm
From: George
Vic Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), Mrs Irish Mike
> <wilma6116@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 7, 2:34?pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>>> ? Can anyone point me towards a national grocery chain deal on pierogies? ?I
>>> used to stock up on a 16 ounce bag for $1 at Deal$, but they no longer carry
>>> that brand. ?Now they have a 14 ounce bag of another brand for $1.50. ?It
>>> kind of seems like an insult, with them raising the price 50%, and at the
>>> same time decreasing the package size.
>>>
>>> ? Anyway, I LOVE pierogies, but I'm not sure what is considered a good deal
>>> on them any more, and would appreciate some pointers.
>> Pierogies are good, especially if you make them yourself. I just have
>> to wonder what is in something that is processed, packaged and frozen
>> AND sells for less than a buck a pound. There are very few foods these
>> days that sell for a buck a pound, let alone something I want to put
>> in my stomach.
>>
>> Here is a recipe for pierogies that is easy. It takes about an hour,
>> but you can make lots for freezing. And you can control the quality.
>> http://pittsburgh.about.com/od/recipes/r/pierogies.htm
>
> Looks good, but a couple comments.
> Wife (a Polka) uses farmer's cheese instead of cheddar.
> Real Polacks never heard of cheddar.
> They can be put in a strainer after boiling, then served.
> We only fry what's left over and gone cold. I like fresh best.
> Try chopping and frying some bacon to pour over them.
>
> --Vic
I like a little scoop of caramelized onions on boiled pierogies.
You are right about the cheese. We have a big Polish/Ukranian/Russian
population here so there are lots of great variations such as cabbage
and mushroom and the various fruit filled versions.
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