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TOPIC: universal healthcare
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 1:01 pm
From: shims

What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 1:01 pm
From: shims

What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 2:26 pm
From: "Dave"

"shims" <shimshady05@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ddac750f-c1ec-45b4-8f11-06da3237d598@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

It would be run by the same bozos that mismanaged the iraq fiasco. If that
doesn't scare the shit out of you, you simply haven't been paying
ttention. -Dave

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 1:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

shims <shimshady05@gmail.com> wrote:

> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

None.

Depending on how its done, there can be some downsides,
just like there can be with less than universal health care.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 1:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> "shims" <shimshady05@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ddac750f-c1ec-45b4-8f11-06da3237d598@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

> It would be run by the same bozos that mismanaged the iraq fiasco.

Wrong. It would actually be run by the same people that do Medicare fine.

> If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, you simply haven't been paying ttention.

Or you could actually have enough of a clue to work out who did Medicare fine.

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:10 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It would be run by the same bozos that mismanaged the iraq fiasco.
>
> Wrong. It would actually be run by the same people that do Medicare fine.

Medicare is NOT done "fine"! The drug program is an abortion. Doctors have
left the program or refuse to take new Medicare patients because the
reimbursement rates for many procedures don't even cover their costs.

>> If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, you simply haven't been paying
>> ttention.
>
> Or you could actually have enough of a clue to work out who did Medicare fine.

He has more of a clue than you do.

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:11 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?
>
> None.

BS! Try talking to a few Canadians or Brits, who allegedly have it...

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John Weiss <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> It would be run by the same bozos that mismanaged the iraq fiasco.

>> Wrong. It would actually be run by the same people that do Medicare fine.

> Medicare is NOT done "fine"!

Wrong.

> The drug program is an abortion.

Irrelevant to that stupid line about Iraq.

> Doctors have left the program or refuse to take new Medicare patients because the reimbursement rates for many
> procedures don't even cover their costs.

And they wouldnt have that option with an universal health care system.

>>> If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, you simply haven't been paying ttention.

>> Or you could actually have enough of a clue to work out who did Medicare fine.

> He has more of a clue than you do.

You in spades.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John Weiss <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

>> None.

> BS! Try talking to a few Canadians or Brits, who allegedly have it...

Dont need to. My country has it, it works fine, unlike you fools that
have a complete abortion that doesnt cover a vast chunk of consumers.

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:49 pm
From: George

Rod Speed wrote:
> Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>> "shims" <shimshady05@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ddac750f-c1ec-45b4-8f11-06da3237d598@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?
>
>> It would be run by the same bozos that mismanaged the iraq fiasco.
>
> Wrong. It would actually be run by the same people that do Medicare fine.
>
>> If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, you simply haven't been paying ttention.
>
> Or you could actually have enough of a clue to work out who did Medicare fine.
>
>
Reading about stuff in another country and experiencing it are two
different things. I know someone who is on Medicare (mainly because they
were screwed out of half their pension and all employment health
benefits when their employer filed bankruptcy just before they retired)
who had trouble swallowing. His primary care doc referred him for an
endoscopic exam. It took three months before he received the exam. In
that time the tumor they found went from much more treatable to a lot
harder to treat and he his currently undergoing treatment. There is
nothing unique or unusual about the wait for many procedures because few
docs will accept the Medicare reimbursements.

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 5:01 pm
From: "Dave"

> > BS! Try talking to a few Canadians or Brits, who allegedly have it...
>
> Dont need to. My country has it, it works fine, unlike you fools that
> have a complete abortion that doesnt cover a vast chunk of consumers.

Don't know where you live Rod but it obviously isn't in the U.S. Universal
healthcare WILL NOT work in the U.S. Most who live in the U.S. know that,
but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about so shut the fuck up
and stop trying to make it worse for those of us who DO live in the
.S. -Dave

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 4:19 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote...
>
> Don't know where you live Rod but it obviously isn't in the U.S. Universal
> healthcare WILL NOT work in the U.S. Most who live in the U.S. know that,
> but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about so shut the fuck up
> and stop trying to make it worse for those of us who DO live in the
> .S.

Rod's our persistent troll, an Aussie welfare hog...

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 5:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote
>>> shims <shimshady05@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> What are some of the downsides of universal health care?

>>> It would be run by the same bozos that mismanaged the iraq fiasco.

>> Wrong. It would actually be run by the same people that do Medicare fine.

>>> If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, you simply haven't been paying ttention.

>> Or you could actually have enough of a clue to work out who did Medicare fine.

> Reading about stuff in another country and experiencing it are two different things.

Completely trivial to work out that Medicare is nothing like Iraq.

> I know someone who is on Medicare (mainly because they were screwed out of half their pension and all employment
> health benefits when their employer filed bankruptcy just before they retired) who had trouble swallowing. His primary
> care doc referred him for an endoscopic exam. It took three months before he received the exam.

There are plenty that get that result with the current system who dont qualify for Medicare.

> In that time the tumor they found went from much more treatable to a lot harder to treat

You dont know that if he didnt get that endoscopic exam at the start.

> and he his currently undergoing treatment. There is nothing unique or unusual about the wait for many procedures
> because few docs will accept the Medicare reimbursements.

True in spades when you dont qualify for Medicare.

And nothing like Iraq.

And I've just used a decent universal health care system, for a life threatening
problem, heart attack, and it worked very well indeed, only thing I had to pay
for was newspapers while in hospital, and I have to pay for them when not in
hospital anyway. The TV was free. I got a free air ambulance ride to the state
capital and got the stent in the most recent big hospital in that city, all for free.

And the meds are grossly subsidised, so the cost is quite acceptible too.

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 5:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:

>>> BS! Try talking to a few Canadians or Brits, who allegedly have it...

>> Dont need to. My country has it, it works fine, unlike you fools that
>> have a complete abortion that doesnt cover a vast chunk of consumers.

> Don't know where you live Rod

Australia.

> but it obviously isn't in the U.S. Universal healthcare WILL NOT work in the U.S.

Thats what fools claimed in every single modern first world country that didnt
have it and it works fine in every single one that had enough of a clue to have
it in spite of the lies spewed by the insurance industry prior to its introduction.

> Most who live in the U.S. know that, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
> so shut the fuck up and stop trying to make it worse for those of us who DO live in the .S.

Go and fuck yourself.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 1:51 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:ft839m$3e5$2@aioe.org...
> My wife's employer recently switched to a high deductible health
> insurance plan. I seem to recall that this was one of the requirements to
> setting up a health savings account.
>
> Her employer also offers something called a "cafeteria plan", which is
> really a health spending account. It lets you guess your health spending
> for the year, put that amount in, and then that amount of your income is
> tax free for the year. The downside is that anything we wouldn't use goes
> back to her employer at the end of the year, and it doesn't encourage you
> to save long term.
>
> I'd much rather have something that builds up and grows over time - maybe
> even something that lets you invest part of it (as it gets bigger) into
> ETF's, so that the index fund can grow and beat inflation over time.
>
> Can anyone give me some hints on places that might offer something like
> this?

try here for what all's involved:

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p969/index.html>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:17 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Apr 5, 10:45 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> My wife's employer recently switched to a high deductible health insurance
> plan. I seem to recall that this was one of the requirements to setting up
> a health savings account.
>
> Her employer also offers something called a "cafeteria plan", which is
> really a health spending account. It lets you guess your health spending
> for the year, put that amount in, and then that amount of your income is tax
> free for the year. The downside is that anything we wouldn't use goes back
> to her employer at the end of the year, and it doesn't encourage you to save
> long term.
>
> I'd much rather have something that builds up and grows over time - maybe
> even something that lets you invest part of it (as it gets bigger) into
> ETF's, so that the index fund can grow and beat inflation over time.
>
> Can anyone give me some hints on places that might offer something like
> this?

And how would that help if your wife's employer doesn't offer such a
plan? You have checked and they don't.
"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:41 pm
From: Logan Shaw

OhioGuy wrote:
> Her employer also offers something called a "cafeteria plan", which is
> really a health spending account. It lets you guess your health spending
> for the year, put that amount in, and then that amount of your income is tax
> free for the year. The downside is that anything we wouldn't use goes back
> to her employer at the end of the year, and it doesn't encourage you to save
> long term.
>
> I'd much rather have something that builds up and grows over time - maybe
> even something that lets you invest part of it (as it gets bigger) into
> ETF's, so that the index fund can grow and beat inflation over time.

Well, now you're talking about long-term savings vs. short-term savings.
The medical savings account plans are targeted at only short-term goals,
specifically meeting (part of) this year's medical expenses. The general
view is that you want a low-risk, high-liquidity investment when saving
for a short-term goal, so if that's true, I don't think it would make
sense to expect a high rate of return.

- Logan

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:22 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Apr 4, 11:11 pm, " Frank" <norep...@nothome.net> wrote:
> What are you guys going to do with the tax rebate? Hope the corner on the
> economy has turn or well there be more pain forthcoming?

I'm cutting expenses across the board. There won't be any "extra"
spending so the government is on a fool's errand as far as sending me
a rebate and hoping it will be put in the economy.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 3:44 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Al Bundy wrote:
> On Apr 4, 11:11 pm, " Frank" <norep...@nothome.net> wrote:
>> What are you guys going to do with the tax rebate? Hope the corner on the
>> economy has turn or well there be more pain forthcoming?
>
> I'm cutting expenses across the board. There won't be any "extra"
> spending so the government is on a fool's errand as far as sending me
> a rebate and hoping it will be put in the economy.

I don't think the government cares about what one individual does. They
are looking at the averages and the trends across the entire population.
And I think it's fair to say that people here in this newsgroup are a bit
atypical because the US population in general is not very frugal.

In fact, the typical US consumer will probably get their $600 rebate
check and then charge $700 worth of crap they don't need onto their
high-interest credit card, thereby accumulating another $500 worth of
interest by the time they pay it off, and in the end being $600 poorer
as a result of getting the free money.

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 5 2008 4:45 pm
From: Seni Seven

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