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In article <KvednfASmMK8jYbVnZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> There is no oil shortage at present. Oil prices are up for several reason.
>
> A vastly devalued dollar that is still falling.
>
> A large about of uncertainty and fear in the market.
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> Each of those adds about $20 to the price of a barrel.

Agreed on each point. Also notable is that American oil reserves are
full to capacity and yet prices continue to rise, abrogating any idea
the law of supply and demand.

> Our government created or contributed to each of those problems. None
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Also agreed, with this exception: the current US federal government does
not see high fuel prices as a "problem". Rather, it views them as the
goal it has held since it came into power almost eight years ago. In
hindsight, it is clear that this rise in price has always been actively
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Tax cuts on gasoline would have so minor an effect at the pump that the
idea is laughable-- yet another tax break for oil company revenues.

== 2 of 5 ==
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From: jdoe

On Sat, 03 May 2008 05:39:10 -0500, Truly Stunned
<violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote:

>In article <KvednfASmMK8jYbVnZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no oil shortage at present. Oil prices are up for several reason.
>>
>> A vastly devalued dollar that is still falling.
>>
>> A large about of uncertainty and fear in the market.
>>
>> A futures market that is out of control.
>>
>> Each of those adds about $20 to the price of a barrel.
>
>Agreed on each point. Also notable is that American oil reserves are
>full to capacity and yet prices continue to rise, abrogating any idea
>the law of supply and demand.
>
and where did you conjure up this piece of misinformation? simply put
you are wrong and clueless
__________________________________________
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> Wrong again. First, the Federal government has no authority under the
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> products.
>

Well laws and constitutions can be changed if "We the people" want them
changed.

I know plenty of "We the peoples" who are quite fed up with these high oil
prices. Oil companies/refineries can be nationalized or price regulated as a
monopoly. This is currently done on a local level with phone and cable TV
companies.

Who owns the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska?

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In article <6839t6F2r67ijU1@mid.individual.net>,
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> Well laws and constitutions can be changed if "We the people" want them
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Democracies normally fall to tyranny during times of turmoil or civil
war. The turmoil is caused by the leaders of democracies buying votes
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At least that is what Polycrates thought, in the 2nd century. When I
hear people like you willing to swap the constitution for a tank of gas,
I think maybe he was right.

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== 5 of 5 ==
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In article <680oj4F2pglqvU1@mid.individual.net>,
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> I say Alaska oil should only be sold in the U.S. for use by Americans and
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We can't use it, Billy. All the refining capacity is on the gulf.
Tankers won't make it through the Panama Canal. We would have to ship
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 6:56 am
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> They dropped I-Bond rates to a core 0% interest. Peculiar
>> that a means of investment via the US dollar is being shunned
>> as too plentiful and not worthy of saving and loaning for gain.
>
> Thats not the reason for the drop or the lack of demand either.
>
>> The inflation bond is not meant to make one rich, but
>> when you get 0% core rate and 4% annual inflation rates,
>> I think people would be wise to co-op the greenbacks
>> to each other instead of loaning to the government.
>
> Any bonds arent of much value when the interest rates are so low.
>
>> RodSpeed, have you ever thought of starting a bank?
>
> Nope, nothing to be gained by me doing that.
>
>> I do not know how Australia regulates the loan industry, but
>> a job that does not get your nails dirty sounds like a dream.
>
> I've almost always had that sort of job.
>
>
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TOPIC: The Cost of Cheap Food
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 8:17 am
From: Dawn

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:03:49 -0600, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
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>
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, May 2 2008 11:56 pm
From: "Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it"

On Apr 27, 3:38 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Been having those pathetic little drug crazed hallucinations long, child ?

Albert Hoffman died the other day. I have read some accounts that say
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:51 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> Been having those pathetic little drug crazed hallucinations long, child ?

> Albert Hoffman died the other day. I have read some accounts
> that say he has united many people because of his career.

Only the fools.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:24 am
From: Anthony Matonak

mwmiller314@gmail.com wrote:
...
> Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong trying to download this file of
> the news from the chicago news station wbbm news 780 am. Their
> website is wbbm780.com and I entered as a search that turned up what I
> thought was the relevant audio file "noon business hour 'may 1'" but
> when it downloaded it showed up with a length of 0 even after i tried
> to download it multiple times.

Their download buttons seem to work for me. Not all of their
stuff is available with a download button. Some of them just
have a 'Subscribe to podcast' button. You'll need to either
use a podcast client (like I-Tunes) or open up the .rss file
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:43 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwo...@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> Plastics are made from oil. Nobody is scavenging plastics just yet.

>> Wrong.

>>> If you are an entrepreneur, now is your chance to become a plastics exporter.

>> Been going on for a long time now.

> All you need is to convince people that something is scarce.

There was no need to bother with plastics, the volume alone made that viable a long time ago.

> Then you need to create a fake market for it.

There was no need to bother with plastics, the volume alone made that viable a long time ago.

> A ponzi scheme of self-replicating endurance follows.

Nope, thats not how the scavenging market works.

> I am not sure how plastics could be spun as a scarce resource

No one said they were. Neither are cans and glass bottles.

> when we see it litter the highways, but that would not stop someone
> who wanted to dupe people used to bubble run-ups in prices of
> anything from Beanie Babies to photos of newborn babies.

Or just realise that there is a market for salvaged plastic, cans, bottles etc.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

> They dropped I-Bond rates to a core 0% interest. Peculiar
> that a means of investment via the US dollar is being shunned
> as too plentiful and not worthy of saving and loaning for gain.

Thats not the reason for the drop or the lack of demand either.

> The inflation bond is not meant to make one rich, but
> when you get 0% core rate and 4% annual inflation rates,
> I think people would be wise to co-op the greenbacks
> to each other instead of loaning to the government.

Any bonds arent of much value when the interest rates are so low.

> RodSpeed, have you ever thought of starting a bank?

Nope, nothing to be gained by me doing that.

> I do not know how Australia regulates the loan industry, but
> a job that does not get your nails dirty sounds like a dream.

I've almost always had that sort of job.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:48 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> Just how many of you are there between those ears, spammer ?

> Salmon fishing has been banned on west coast of US due to lack of
> salmon schools. Looks like plankton and ketchup tonight for dinner.

No need, just hack a steak out of a passing cow, tastes much better too.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:52 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> And even if it doesnt have a connector, its still possible to connect
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> Does Australia have its own version of Ted Turner?

Yeah, Rupert Murdoch. We sent him over there and he's a US citizen now.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 12:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Cash_is_king,and_RodSpeed, don't_forget_it <kwo...@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> Looks like EWA fund is trying to make a bottom before a rise.

>> We'll see...

>>> How is your dollar doing down there?

>> Its doing fine, unlike the USD.

> Tell me about it. It is not so much that we might be in end
> times that bothers me. I just hate to think that some war
> mongers decide that sex, drugs and rock and roll are immoral.

They already did. No one too any notice.

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