Frugal Living: Feb 1, 2008

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TOPIC: Something to ponder...Lou
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Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 3:35 am
From: maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary Mathews)

Lou, I have all the legal stuff, and at least one of my 3 sons will
always be with me in serious situations. I just prefer that the control
remain with my family, whom I trust completely. I would like to think
that there would be a second opinion, and that my life would not be cut
short to harvest organs that I willingly donate. Perhaps I read too
much. Mary

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 5:50 am
From: rhall111@gmail.com

On Jan 31, 5:11 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
> I recently had minimal invasive spine surgery. I remember someone at the
> hospital asking me if I had a 'living will' which I do. I was told to
> bring it to the hospital. I know that some people have their 'living
> wills' filed at the hospital. I don't feel comfortable with that. I
> leave mine at home, in the safe, where any one of my sons can get it and
> take it to the hospital, hopefully after a second opinion, if the time
> arises.
>
> I just wonder what your thoughts are on this issue. Thanks. Mary

So make a few copies. File one at the hospital.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 8:09 am
From: George

Mary Mathews wrote:
> Lou, I have all the legal stuff, and at least one of my 3 sons will
> always be with me in serious situations.

Not Lou but how could you possibly have absolute assurance of that? As
they say "things happen", just look at scenarios I described earlier in
this thread for some possibilities. It makes perfect sense that any
medical provider (or any provider for that matter) would want to know
your directives prior to providing service rather than scrambling at the
last minute. And as Lou suggested if you should be unable to communicate
it is possible that the hospital may not even accept the unknown source
piece of paper your son gives to them.

I just prefer that the control
> remain with my family, whom I trust completely. I would like to think
> that there would be a second opinion, and that my life would not be cut
> short to harvest organs that I willingly donate. Perhaps I read too
> much. Mary
>

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Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 3:45 am
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TOPIC: Why did Google let their newsgroup rot?
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Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 6:15 am
From: remod2006@gmail.com

I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
conversation at all.

Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.

Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
truly sorry to see it in tatters.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 8:24 am
From: George

remod2006@gmail.com wrote:
> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
> conversation at all.
>
> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>
> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
> truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>

The concept of newsgroups was one of the earliest ideas implemented on
the Internet. It uses something called NNTP (Network News Transfer
Protocol). Folks set up NNTP servers that would update each other and
then users could connect to one of those servers and read and reply to
posts. This is all a long, long time before google (the spammers best
friend) existed.

Then google (the spammers best friend) came along and bought the archive
of old posts from a company called Deja News. Initially it was just a
searchable only archive. Then google (the spammers best friend) came
along and built an interface to allow users to post to the NNTP system.
That allowed people who had no clue what NNTP was about jump right in
and more importantly google (the spammers best friend) enabled spammers
who don't even know what are posting too.

Most of these discussion groups have charters that prohibit commercial
posts. google (the spammers best friend) could care less.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 9:04 am
From: Seerialmom

On Feb 1, 8:24 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> remod2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
> > happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
> > NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
> > conversation at all.
>
> > Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> > apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>
> > Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
> > truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>
> The concept of newsgroups was one of the earliest ideas implemented on
> the Internet. It uses something called NNTP (Network News Transfer
> Protocol). Folks set up NNTP servers that would update each other and
> then users could connect to one of those servers and read and reply to
> posts. This is all a long, long time before google (the spammers best
> friend) existed.
>
> Then google (the spammers best friend) came along and bought the archive
> of old posts from a company called Deja News. Initially it was just a
> searchable only archive. Then google (the spammers best friend) came
> along and built an interface to allow users to post to the NNTP system.
> That allowed people who had no clue what NNTP was about jump right in
> and more importantly google (the spammers best friend) enabled spammers
> who don't even know what are posting too.
>
> Most of these discussion groups have charters that prohibit commercial
> posts. google (the spammers best friend) could care less.

Originally I used the usenet system (Outlook Express or Netscape
Navigator being used to access/post); but later when I didn't want to
configure these readers on company property, I noticed DejaNews. And
at the time you "could" post to them, they weren't read-only. It was
shortly thereafter that Google bought DejaNews. It also appears that
some groups are affected more than others when it comes to Spam. This
one seems to be the worst compared to others I read/post to. Why
Google doesn't implement a filtering option or "spam" block, no idea.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 9:10 am
From: George Grapman

George wrote:
> remod2006@gmail.com wrote:
>> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
>> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
>> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
>> conversation at all.
>>
>> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
>> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>>
>> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
>> truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>>
>
>
> The concept of newsgroups was one of the earliest ideas implemented on
> the Internet. It uses something called NNTP (Network News Transfer
> Protocol). Folks set up NNTP servers that would update each other and
> then users could connect to one of those servers and read and reply to
> posts. This is all a long, long time before google (the spammers best
> friend) existed.
>
> Then google (the spammers best friend) came along and bought the archive
> of old posts from a company called Deja News. Initially it was just a
> searchable only archive. Then google (the spammers best friend) came
> along and built an interface to allow users to post to the NNTP system.
> That allowed people who had no clue what NNTP was about jump right in
> and more importantly google (the spammers best friend) enabled spammers
> who don't even know what are posting too.
>
> Most of these discussion groups have charters that prohibit commercial
> posts. google (the spammers best friend) could care less.

Actually you could post from dejanews but it was more like
craigslist. You posted with your email address, they sent you a copy
and after getting the email you posted it.
A poster in the sports gambling group claimed an unbelievable winning
record. Those who dared to question him were harassed. One of his
tactics was to post dozens of messages via dejanews with the address of
his enemies. Obviously they never got posted but it created a minor
nuisance.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 12:19 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Feb 1, 9:15 am, remod2...@gmail.com wrote:
> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
> conversation at all.
>
> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>
> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
> truly sorry to see it in tatters.

Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam posts
and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 1:04 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Siskuwihane wrote:
> Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
> Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam posts
> and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?

What makes you think that Google reads their inbox or that
they will ever take action? I think a class action lawsuit
is much more likely to get them to do something.

Anthony

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Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 8:09 am
From: Bernardo Gui

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wrote:

>In article
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> "Veronica in LA." <bennettwithonet1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> ...
>> I think the situation is that the demographic of those who need the
>> converter boxes are not those that most advertisers want to reach.
>> After all, these are people who still have old televisions and no
>> cable converter boxes.
>
> Broadcast TV seems to be more than half infomercials and commercials
> aimed at those with low income so advertisers do want to reach these
> people.
>
> How else could you explain the explosion in ads for payday loans,
> refillable debit cards that don't require a bank account and the
> host of ambulance chasers, snake oil and cheap cooking appliances?

I'm not talking about income, but about the fact that the people who
need the converters are not people who buy stuff. If they were, they
would have a new TV or cable box.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Life is complex--it has real and imaginary parts. --anonymous

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 12:11 pm
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"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote:

>I'm not talking about income, but about the fact that the people who
>need the converters are not people who buy stuff. If they were, they
>would have a new TV or cable box.

Or college students with little income

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