Saturday, March 12, 2011

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 18 new messages in 5 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* University Medical Center Tucson Advertising - 12 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5b79f4c9ea300020?hl=en
* Phone fraud - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2f414bb45ac33e88?hl=en
* 2011 Christian Louboutin New Style - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/dd3f1673b44ad80a?hl=en
* Bike Safari Tours in Miami Beach and beyond? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6abf2b2ad6c27b1e?hl=en
* There are several methods, using different techniques and attacking
different a - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c40ec2a54a3a6750?hl=en

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TOPIC: University Medical Center Tucson Advertising
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5b79f4c9ea300020?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 10 2011 9:04 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"


In article <8ttek2FjotU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


>
> >> Wrong, as always.
>
> > Indeed you are. Thanks for finally admitting it
>
> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

But you never do


>
> Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone
> is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

So you like little 2 year olds?

>
> >> Wrong, as always.
>
> > Indeed you are. Thanks for finally admitting it
>
>
> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

But you never do


>
> Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone
> is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

So you like little 2 year olds?

>
> >> Wrong, as always.
>
> > Indeed you are. Thanks for finally admitting it
>
>
> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

But you never do


>
> Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone
> is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

So you like little 2 year olds?

>
> >>> So your gov't runs commercial enterprises,
>
> >> Yes.
>
> > What commercial services?
>
> The postal service and a host of others.

So your post office is privately run with absolutely no gov't control?

>
> It used to run an airline, a number of banks, the only phone company,
> a number of power companys, a number of water companys, and still
> does with a number of those last two, and a serum laboritory, etc etc etc.
>
> >>> not public services?
>
> >> It does that too.
>
> > --
> >
> > Lorem ipsum d
>
> I already told you, I dont speak wog.

Who asked you to?

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blandit.


== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 1:17 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote

<reams of your peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

>>>>> So your gov't runs commercial enterprises,

>>>> Yes.

>>> What commercial services?

>> The postal service and a host of others.

> So your post office is privately run with absolutely no gov't control?

Yep. And plenty of commercial services not run by govt has
lots of govt control over what they can and cannot do too.

>> It used to run an airline, a number of banks, the only phone company,
>> a number of power companys, a number of water companys, and still
>> does with a number of those last two, and a serum laboritory, etc etc etc.

>>>>> not public services?

>>>> It does that too.

> --

> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras
> lobortis volutpat commodo. Morbi lobortis, massa fringilla adipiscing
> suscipit, velit urna pharetra neque, non luctus arcu diam vitae
> justo. Vivamus lacinia scelerisque ultricies. Nunc lobortis elit
> ligula. Aliquam sollicitudin nunc sed est gravida ac viverra tellus
> ullamcorper. Vivamus non nisi suscipit nisi egestas venenatis. Donec
> vitae arcu id urna euismod feugiat. Vivamus porta lobortis ultricies.
> Nulla adipiscing tellus a neque vehicula porta. Maecenas volutpat
> aliquet sagittis. Proin nisi magna, molestie id volutpat in,
> tincidunt sed dolor. Nullam nisi erat, aliquet scelerisque sagittis
> vitae, pretium accumsan odio. Sed ut mi iaculis eros rutrum tristique
> ut nec mi. Aliquam nec augue dui, in mattis urna. In pretium metus eu
> diam blandit accumsan. Ut eu lorem sed odio porttitor blandit.

>> I already told you, I dont speak wog.

> Who asked you to?

Who said anyone did ?

> --
>
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras
> lobortis volutpat commodo. Morbi lobortis, massa fringilla adipiscing
> suscipit, velit urna pharetra neque, non luctus arcu diam vitae
> justo. Vivamus lacinia scelerisque ultricies. Nunc lobortis elit
> ligula. Aliquam sollicitudin nunc sed est gravida ac viverra tellus
> ullamcorper. Vivamus non nisi suscipit nisi egestas venenatis. Donec
> vitae arcu id urna euismod feugiat. Vivamus porta lobortis ultricies.
> Nulla adipiscing tellus a neque vehicula porta. Maecenas volutpat
> aliquet sagittis. Proin nisi magna, molestie id volutpat in,
> tincidunt sed dolor. Nullam nisi erat, aliquet scelerisque sagittis
> vitae, pretium accumsan odio. Sed ut mi iaculis eros rutrum tristique
> ut nec mi. Aliquam nec augue dui, in mattis urna. In pretium metus eu
> diam blandit accumsan. Ut eu lorem sed odio porttitor blandit.

Record's stuck...


== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 11:00 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"


In article <8tu7lkFmiqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
>
> <reams of peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where
> it belongs>


Thank you for realizing the futility of of your verbiage and helping to clean
usenet.


== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 1:01 pm
From: MalRod


-"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote in
-news:atlas-bugged-8FF391.15080409032011@aries.ka.weretis.net:
-
_ In article <8tocmoFuq1U1@mid.individual.net>,
_ "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
_
_ Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
_ > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
_ Now, name three Advertisements, you know the stuff that commercial
_ enterprises do
_
-
_ We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials here by Tucson
_ University of Arizona President Shelton extolling what
_ a great Hospital their University Medical Center is and
_ how great their doctors are.
_
_ I guess one sign of how great they are is my emailing about 5
_ surgeons/professors at the General Surgery Dept. of University Medical
_ Center in Tucson, not a ONE answered. They paste their email addresses
_ on their web site disingenuously and when someone
_ emails them they ignore the emails. I assume a surgeon
_ is smart enough to be able to tell the difference between spam
_ and legitimate email when the subject is quite clear and obviously
_ not spam.
_
_ In one case, I did get an answer from a SECRETARY. It seems
_ the Chief of Surgery's email address is really this
_ SECRETARY, rather dishonest imo to have an email address in
_ your name when a non-physician lay person is really behind
_ the email. She refused directly to give him my sent to HIS
_ name until it had passed her LAY opinion/worthiness test.
_ I guess they must get ALOT of complaints about doctors because she
_ automatically assumed I was writing about a complaint. Turns out
_ as the result of this surgeon closed door policy that UMC has lost
_ approx $15K. Doesn't really pay to stiff people until you know what
_ they are trying to tell you.
_
_ What a crock. If you don't answer your email don't
_ paste an email contact address on your website. And don't falsely and
_ dishonestly claim your email address in your name when it is being
_ answered by another person entirely, not even a doctor
_ in this case.
_
_ Shelton can keep screaming on late night TV about how
_ great University Medical Center is, because he will NEED to do
_ this to negate the reality of the situation.(One of the things I have
_ learned from "Looking Out for Number One" is that the louder they
_ proclaim what they are, you can pretty much assume the exact opposite
_ is true.)
_
_ Until recently UMC was so short of surgeons it was a dangerous
_ place to even go to for emergency surgery as reported by the Arizona
_ Daily Star. And with the addition of more surgeons I am not so sure it
_ is still safe. In reading the papers here, I notice how many emergency
_ patients that should have survived die after being brought to UMC
_ hospital compared to other cities I have lived in. Very common to see
_ deaths from auto accidents here even when they arrive at the hospital
_ in the first critical hour.
_
_ My personal experience with having seen a specialist at University
_ Medical Center in Tucson is that they are all screwed up. This
_ specialist was rude, did not follow-up on test
_ results and made several quite incompetent orders, which I caught
_ (lucky for me-I would be alot sicker now if I had not). Also they have
_ this strange policy when you make an appointment with one doctor they
_ send some OTHER doctor/trainee to see you. This is
_ WITHOUT telling you they are going to do this in advance. So you spend
_ your time thinking you will be seen by the physician you selected,
_ only to be seen by someone else you don't know from Adam. They don't
_ tell you this in advance so it's a bait and switch operation. In this
_ case the original doctor was rather incompetent so it did not matter,
_ I never saw him again. I can see now why Shelton has to go on TV alot
_ to proclaim what a great facility UMC is and what great doctors they
_ have there. I guess if you tell a big lie often enough people will
_ start to believe it-least the people in Tucson, not known for the
_ creme de la creme of intellectual towns.
_
_ Considering how poor the USA medical system is, I cannot say
_ I am suprised by any of this. This sad state of USA medical care was
_ all exposed of course in the Michael Moore film Sicko. What I would
_ give to be a citizen of Western Europe where at least one is not
_ bankrupted by poor care as in the USA.
_
-
-USED to be that doctors who advertised were considered unprofessional.
-Now they are all over the tube like used car salesmen. Five times a day
-we get commercials from doctors soliciting business for themselves or
-their clinics. What is the doctor's equivalent of the laywer's ambulance
-chaser? Ambulance stopper?
-

When are Americans going to wake up and realize how corrupt and profit
motivated the medical industry is in this Country, besides being all
fu*cked up in so many other ways? No wonder lawyers have a field day with
medical industry here.


== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 1:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote just the peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead


== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 1:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


MalRod wrote

> _ We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials here by Tucson
> _ University of Arizona President Shelton extolling what
> _ a great Hospital their University Medical Center is and
> _ how great their doctors are.
> _
> _ I guess one sign of how great they are is my emailing about 5
> _ surgeons/professors at the General Surgery Dept. of University
> Medical _ Center in Tucson, not a ONE answered. They paste their
> email addresses _ on their web site disingenuously and when someone
> _ emails them they ignore the emails. I assume a surgeon
> _ is smart enough to be able to tell the difference between spam
> _ and legitimate email when the subject is quite clear and obviously
> _ not spam.
> _
> _ In one case, I did get an answer from a SECRETARY. It seems
> _ the Chief of Surgery's email address is really this
> _ SECRETARY, rather dishonest imo to have an email address in
> _ your name when a non-physician lay person is really behind
> _ the email. She refused directly to give him my sent to HIS
> _ name until it had passed her LAY opinion/worthiness test.
> _ I guess they must get ALOT of complaints about doctors because she
> _ automatically assumed I was writing about a complaint. Turns out
> _ as the result of this surgeon closed door policy that UMC has lost
> _ approx $15K. Doesn't really pay to stiff people until you know what
> _ they are trying to tell you.
> _
> _ What a crock. If you don't answer your email don't
> _ paste an email contact address on your website. And don't falsely
> and _ dishonestly claim your email address in your name when it is
> being _ answered by another person entirely, not even a doctor
> _ in this case.
> _
> _ Shelton can keep screaming on late night TV about how
> _ great University Medical Center is, because he will NEED to do
> _ this to negate the reality of the situation.(One of the things I
> have _ learned from "Looking Out for Number One" is that the louder
> they _ proclaim what they are, you can pretty much assume the exact
> opposite _ is true.)
> _
> _ Until recently UMC was so short of surgeons it was a dangerous
> _ place to even go to for emergency surgery as reported by the Arizona
> _ Daily Star. And with the addition of more surgeons I am not so sure
> it _ is still safe. In reading the papers here, I notice how many
> emergency _ patients that should have survived die after being
> brought to UMC _ hospital compared to other cities I have lived in.
> Very common to see _ deaths from auto accidents here even when they
> arrive at the hospital _ in the first critical hour.
> _
> _ My personal experience with having seen a specialist at University
> _ Medical Center in Tucson is that they are all screwed up. This
> _ specialist was rude, did not follow-up on test
> _ results and made several quite incompetent orders, which I caught
> _ (lucky for me-I would be alot sicker now if I had not). Also they
> have _ this strange policy when you make an appointment with one
> doctor they _ send some OTHER doctor/trainee to see you. This is
> _ WITHOUT telling you they are going to do this in advance. So you
> spend _ your time thinking you will be seen by the physician you
> selected, _ only to be seen by someone else you don't know from Adam.
> They don't _ tell you this in advance so it's a bait and switch
> operation. In this _ case the original doctor was rather incompetent
> so it did not matter, _ I never saw him again. I can see now why
> Shelton has to go on TV alot _ to proclaim what a great facility UMC
> is and what great doctors they _ have there. I guess if you tell a
> big lie often enough people will _ start to believe it-least the
> people in Tucson, not known for the _ creme de la creme of
> intellectual towns. _
> _ Considering how poor the USA medical system is, I cannot say
> _ I am suprised by any of this. This sad state of USA medical care was
> _ all exposed of course in the Michael Moore film Sicko. What I would
> _ give to be a citizen of Western Europe where at least one is not
> _ bankrupted by poor care as in the USA.
> _
> -
> -USED to be that doctors who advertised were considered
> unprofessional.
> -Now they are all over the tube like used car salesmen. Five times a
> day
> -we get commercials from doctors soliciting business for themselves or
> -their clinics. What is the doctor's equivalent of the laywer's
> ambulance
> -chaser? Ambulance stopper?

> When are Americans going to wake up and realize how corrupt
> and profit motivated the medical industry is in this Country,

Likely never until it bankrupts them personally.

> besides being all fu*cked up in so many other ways?

> No wonder lawyers have a field day with medical industry here.

Lawyers have a field day with EVERYTHING in the US, stupid.


== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 4:35 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"


In article <ile2k1$2sp$2@speranza.aioe.org>, MalRod <MalRod@cox.com> wrote:

> When are Americans going to wake up and realize how corrupt and profit
> motivated the medical industry is in this Country, besides being all fu*cked
> up in so many other ways?

What would you propose as an alternative?


> No wonder lawyers have a field day with medical industry here.

And the lawyers are better?


== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 4:36 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"


In article <8tviuvFtcbU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> just the peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead

Yes, it is your trademark.


== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 5:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> MalRod MalRod@cox.com wrote

>> When are Americans going to wake up and realize how
>> corrupt and profit motivated the medical industry is in this
>> Country, besides being all fu*cked up in so many other ways?

> What would you propose as an alternative?

A decent modern health care system like every other first and second world country has.

The US is the only one that is stupid enough to have just the insurance system now.


== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 5:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote just the peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead


== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 7:36 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"


In article <8u013tFtf8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote just the peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead

Yes you did


== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 7:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote just the peurile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead

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TOPIC: Phone fraud
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 7:32 am
From: "Bob F"


Michael Black wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Bob F wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Don't you just KNOW that there is more than one
>>> Sierra Club member who is absolutely sure that the
>>> dinosaurs died out because of something humans did?
>>
>> That's to compensate for all the religious right nuts that think the
>> dinosaurs and people co-existed. Or that God put their bones there
>> to fool us.
> To be fair, surely a lot of people think the two co-existed because
> movies show the two together. "ONe Million BC" with Raquel Welch
> fighting off dinosaurs, "The Flintstones" with people using dinosaurs
> for all kinds of tasks.
>

And there are people that think this is a good reason to think so?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 1:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Bob F wrote
> Michael Black wrote
>> Bob F wrote
>>> The Real Bev wrote

>>>> Don't you just KNOW that there is more than one
>>>> Sierra Club member who is absolutely sure that the
>>>> dinosaurs died out because of something humans did?

>>> That's to compensate for all the religious right nuts that think the
>>> dinosaurs and people co-existed. Or that God put their bones there
>>> to fool us.

>> To be fair, surely a lot of people think the two co-existed because
>> movies show the two together. "ONe Million BC" with Raquel Welch
>> fighting off dinosaurs, "The Flintstones" with people using dinosaurs
>> for all kinds of tasks.

> And there are people that think this is a good reason to think so?

Nope, they just dont think about that question at all.

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TOPIC: 2011 Christian Louboutin New Style
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Bike Safari Tours in Miami Beach and beyond?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 6:56 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"


On Mar 11, 12:53 am, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante Banana wrote:
>
> > (from my local forum)
>
> > Posted by Jess
> > "Once the deco bike program launches, motorists in Miami Beach will
> > have no choice but to move over and give way to bicycles. The bikes
> > are going to take over
>
> Have to?
>
> You're talking about Miami Beach, right? Home of the old geezers that can't
> see beyond their Cadillac hood ornaments. "I had the right of way" is going
> to look great as an epitaph on your tombstone.
>
> Pressure the city (over the screaming objections of developers) to put in
> more dedicated bike lanes. Not take them out. Stop letting the anti car
> crusaders use bicycles as speed bumps.

First Tunisia, next Egypt, then Miami Beach...

Get the hint? ;)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 8:06 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"


On Mar 11, 9:53 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante
Banana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:53 am, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante Banana wrote:
>
> > > (from my local forum)
>
> > > Posted by Jess
> > > "Once the deco bike program launches, motorists in Miami Beach will
> > > have no choice but to move over and give way to bicycles. The bikes
> > > are going to take over
>
> > Have to?
>
> > You're talking about Miami Beach, right? Home of the old geezers that can't
> > see beyond their Cadillac hood ornaments. "I had the right of way" is going
> > to look great as an epitaph on your tombstone.
>
> > Pressure the city (over the screaming objections of developers) to put in
> > more dedicated bike lanes. Not take them out. Stop letting the anti car
> > crusaders use bicycles as speed bumps.
>
> First Tunisia, next Egypt, then Miami Beach...
>
> Get the hint? ;)

Well, I'm assuming certain IQ on your part...

It works like this, oil prices hit 10 bucks a gallon, we scrap the
SUVs and make room for million of bikes. The old guard must give way
to the young blood asking for fun under the sun.


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