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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Nov 29 04:46PM

I got a new Tracfone cell and activated it yesterday. Unfortunately, it did
not get a phone number. It took tech support over an hour to get me a
number. Then the number turned out to have the wrong area code - 520
instead of 928. (Our area code used to be 520 but it was changed to 928
some ten years ago!) I didn't change it then because due to the unexpected
long service call I now had other things I needed to do.
 
Question, after all these problems do I dare to call them again this
weekend and request a phone number change to the correct area code? If I
don't, any local land line calls to me will be charged long distance. I'm
afraid something will go wrong and mess up my paid for year's time.
 
Suggestions?
 
TIA
 
 
--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.
21blackswan@gmail.com: Nov 29 10:47AM -0800

On Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:46:58 AM UTC-8, KenK wrote:
 
> --
> You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
> when something closes the door from the inside.
 
i use tracfone, for 10+ years now,
but how would anyone know what you will encounter this weekend?
 
any excuse,
and i will be trying either Republic Wireless, or Ting,
both recommended by Consumer Reports
 
marc
"terrable" <terrable@terrable.net>: Nov 29 05:45PM -0500

"KenK" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> don't, any local land line calls to me will be charged long distance. I'm
> afraid something will go wrong and mess up my paid for year's time.
 
> Suggestions?
 
You know people with land lines that have to pay for each long distance
call?
 
Tell them to get a plan, a cell phone or Google Voice and call long distance
for free.
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trader4@optonline.net: Nov 28 05:02AM -0800

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:42:09 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
 
You can also refill them yourself. That's what the refurbished ones
are. If you google you'll find videos and other resources that show
how it's done. Typically all you need is the toner powder, a vacuum
and a screwdriver. Essentially it's vacuuming the remaining old stuff
out, partially disassmeblying it to wipe it clean, moving the
reset gear back to the full position, putting it back together, then
pouring the new toner in. It comes in a squirt, ketchup kind of bottle,
so that's easy.
 
It would probably take an hour to do it the first time, probably 6X that
rate if you were doing one after the other. Been awhile since I did one
and I'd have to revisit the instructions again to get through the first one.
 
Doing your own is by far the least expensive option.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 28 10:34AM -0800

> rate if you were doing one after the other. Been awhile since I did one
> and I'd have to revisit the instructions again to get through the first one.
 
> Doing your own is by far the least expensive option.
 
Sounds like an excellent idea, but I do so little printing that the cost
of the remanufactured cartridge is negligible.
 
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21blackswan@gmail.com: Nov 27 09:19AM -0800

bought a Brother TN450 Compatible Toner
for around $15.oo on ebay, or maybe it was Amazon
[don't know if it's Laser]
 
but i've gotten over 500 b&w sheets out of it,
and still going [non color]
 
happiest ever with a printer
b&w is the only way to go, IMHO
 
marc
ggggg9271@gmail.com: Nov 26 09:42PM -0800

http://wealthsoup.com/5-dumbest-things-waste-money-every-single-month/?utm_source=Yahoo&utm_medium=Yahoo&utm_campaign=Yahoo-Gemini
ggggg9271@gmail.com: Nov 26 09:38PM -0800

> http://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-retailers-for-black-friday/8385/
 
More deals:
 
http://www.freep.com/story/life/shopping/georgea-kovanis/2014/11/26/black-friday-thanksgiving-deals/19547237/
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Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 24 11:12PM -0500


>I bought a TN-360 cartridge for my cheap Brother laser printer for
>$20-25 in March 2012 from "25 Toner" via Rakuten/buy.com. Still using
>it (I don't do much printing) and I'm happy.
Thanks; cheap Samsung here. Seeing refurbs online and nonames
online $34-40. OEM $77-90 online AWA local B&M (Staples). Same price
range as the rakuten vendors. Haven't checked local refurbs yet.
--
Derald
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 25 08:46AM -0500

>and I'd had it for at least two years.
 
>And the moral of this story is don't buy the cartridge until you're
>pretty sure you're going to need it real soon now.
Well, I'm getting the 10% warning but I print so little I've no
idea how long it will last. Have noticed that online descriptions
incude shelf life. I guess there's a reason, eh? I shall heed the
warning; thanks.
--
Derald
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 25 06:01PM -0500

>dark than when the cartridge was new, but it keeps on ticking. I have no
>reason to believe it's getting stale because it's sat in the printer all
>this time.
My printer is just finishing its original limited quantity
"starter" cartridge and I think it's a couple of years old. All I know
about shelf life is that those cartridges I saw online have a clearly
stated finite shelf life (24 months). I suspect that, as a practical
matter, shelf life is irrelevant but "technically" the chances of early
failure from moisture intrusion, oxidation, etc. increase as the unit
ages in storage.
--
Derald
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 25 06:50PM -0500


>I seem to remember that you can eke out a few more pages by removing the
>cartridge, shaking it and reinstalling it. This may be what we did to
>the Xerox machine back in 1994 :-(
Yeah, that's what we did with our copy machine years ago. Probably
will try it with the cart in this printer when it begins producing
defective copies butr it's not there yet. Just want to have a
replacement in-hand.
--
Derald
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-B. Franklin
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 24 08:23PM -0800

On 11/24/2014 08:12 PM, Derald wrote:
> Thanks; cheap Samsung here. Seeing refurbs online and nonames
> online $34-40. OEM $77-90 online AWA local B&M (Staples). Same price
> range as the rakuten vendors. Haven't checked local refurbs yet.
 
The local refiller charges way more than that.
 
Long ago I bought a cheap Samsung printer and a spare cartridge (not
cheap) at the same time. When it came time to put in the new cartridge
it wouldn't work. Staples was sorry, but the warranty was only a year,
and I'd had it for at least two years.
 
And the moral of this story is don't buy the cartridge until you're
pretty sure you're going to need it real soon now.
 
--
Cheers, Bev
----------------------------------------------
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-- Carmen Boyle
Olympic Luge Gold Medal winner - 1996
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Nov 25 02:05PM -0500

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 25 02:42PM -0800

On 11/25/2014 05:46 AM, Derald wrote:
> idea how long it will last. Have noticed that online descriptions
> incude shelf life. I guess there's a reason, eh? I shall heed the
> warning; thanks.
 
I ordered mine in March because I knew I was going to have to print our
tax returns in April. It may have been starting to print badly, I just
don't remember. I guessed right, though.
 
 
--
Cheers, Bev
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
It is just a bicycle. It is not dedication and bugs
in your teeth and dust and rain and mud. It is not
madness and harmony and glory and rhythm. It is not
muscle and flesh and sweat and lycra and wind.
It is just a bicycle. -- Bianchi
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 25 02:46PM -0800

On 11/25/2014 11:05 AM, Michael Black wrote:
> from buying something in July, and putting it away until given as a gift
> in December, one shouldn't expect to be able to return it after all that
> time.
 
The printer itself was flaky -- it jammed and crumpled paper frequently
(I tried several weights) and eventually printed black vertical streaks
more often than not. Product support said it was probably the
cartridge. I swore I'd never buy anything Samsung again, but I changed
my mind. Still, I replaced it with a Brother cheap laser printer which
has never given me a day of trouble.
 
--
Cheers, Bev
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
It is just a bicycle. It is not dedication and bugs
in your teeth and dust and rain and mud. It is not
madness and harmony and glory and rhythm. It is not
muscle and flesh and sweat and lycra and wind.
It is just a bicycle. -- Bianchi
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 25 03:25PM -0800

On 11/25/2014 03:01 PM, Derald wrote:
> matter, shelf life is irrelevant but "technically" the chances of early
> failure from moisture intrusion, oxidation, etc. increase as the unit
> ages in storage.
 
Given that they come sealed in a mylar bag, attack from outside seems
unlikely.
 
I seem to remember that you can eke out a few more pages by removing the
cartridge, shaking it and reinstalling it. This may be what we did to
the Xerox machine back in 1994 :-(
 
--
Cheers, Bev
"It's important to never be arrogant. Especially if you're one
of the little people whose opinion doesn't matter." --Rat
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 24 03:19PM -0800

On 11/24/2014 01:27 PM, Derald wrote:
> new generic
 
> What's best value provided that quality and longevity trump price?
> Anybody have actual experience he can relay?
 
I bought a TN-360 cartridge for my cheap Brother laser printer for
$20-25 in March 2012 from "25 Toner" via Rakuten/buy.com. Still using
it (I don't do much printing) and I'm happy.
 
 
--
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============================================================
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Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 24 04:27PM -0500

Need "best value" recommendations from among:
OEM;
Refurbs;
new generic
 
What's best value provided that quality and longevity trump price?
Anybody have actual experience he can relay?
--
TIA,
Derald
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Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>: Nov 12 07:48PM

On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:21:31 -0500, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
wrote:
 
>cheap experience, so I generally don't bother. I've been in a few times
>this year, other opportunities, but really, the appeal isn't enough to
>make it useful to me.
 
Aren't you the guy who likes to pick stuff out of curbside trash? Just
sayin'...
 
Dennis (evil)
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Nov 12 03:16PM -0500

On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Dennis wrote:
 
>> make it useful to me.
 
> Aren't you the guy who likes to pick stuff out of curbside trash? Just
> sayin'...
 
I don't generally dig in the bags of garbage, usually there plenty of neat
things just placed on the sidewalk for the garbage pickup.
 
That said, maybe the difference is that if I"m paying for it, I expect a
level of neatness? Or maybe it was that I couldn't find what I was
looking for among the mess?
 
One Big Chain book store closed here (they actually have another store a
few blocks away, so it's not as bad as it could be, at some point one
chain ate the other but kept both stores going for a long time). There
was a half price sale the last few weeks. I went as soon as I knew about
it, and it was as crowded as I've ever seen it. But the place was a mess.
Clearly people pulled out books to look at, then couldn't get access to
the same spot, so they just put it back where they could. The only
categories that I saw unlike that were history (it wasn't in great shape,
but much better than elsewhere) and the books about space travel and
astronomy, that looked barely touched.
 
Michael
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John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 10 05:11PM

Netcop wannabe...
 
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Nov 10 11:21AM -0500

On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Bob F wrote:
 
>> to disallow your entrance to the store. But that hassle isn't worth
>> it IMO.
 
> There are much better reasons to not give your business to WalMart.
 
It wasn't that long ago that one opened within a distance I was prepare to
travel. I went in a few times after that store opened, I think I only
bought a box of computer paper (which was a really good price). But the
few times I went in around that time, I found the place fairly messy,
shoppers not putting things back where they belonged, but apparently the
staff not coming along to put it back the right way. It just felt like a
cheap experience, so I generally don't bother. I've been in a few times
this year, other opportunities, but really, the appeal isn't enough to
make it useful to me.
 
Michael
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Nov 10 11:24AM -0500

On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, John Doe wrote:
 
> Trolls often post no-archive, like this one...
 
Except you are crossposting, and have never been to this newsgroup,
misc.consumers.frugal-living, in the past. Or at least, not enough to
have made a dent. Derald has been here for a long time, even if everyone
still reading the newsgroup has mostly tapered off posting. He can hardly
be a troll.
 
And, why is this, Walmart checking receipts, a frugal issue? You seem to
have found the wrong place, you want misc.consumers which is about
consumer issues like this. Being frugal is about making good decisions.
 
Michael
 
 
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John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 10 05:05PM

Just a troll...
 
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John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 10 05:06PM

Off-topic...
 
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Nov 10 11:18AM -0500

On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, terrable wrote:
 
>> for ideas and how to
 
> People decorate for Thanksgiving?
 
> The time would be better spent making a custard pie.
 
I thought someone would complain that it was too early for talk of
Thanksgiving.
 
I think people decorate, but more the table rather than put up scray
spiders and such on the front lawn. Of course, perhaps they start to put
up the Christmas lights (if they took them down last year), get them up
before the snow comes, even if they wait to turn them on.
 
I was shocked, nobody posted their annual warning about the clock change,
where they warn that some clocks don't like being turned backwards, "it's
not frugal because it can damage the clockwork" which may be true, but who
has fancy old clocks around that will be damaged?
 
And the time for frugal candy has disappeared, they seemed to clear out
the Halloween stuff the day after Halloween. But, maybe now is the time
to get Christmas decorations, it seems like they never get cheaper the
closer you get to Christmas, until it's too late to be useful this year.
I know I've been thinking about getting some LED Christmas lights, and I
wait and the prices never drop. But right now they are on sale.
 
Michael
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Nov 08 09:34PM -0800

On 11/08/2014 05:15 AM, Derald wrote:
> avoid shopping at Wallyworld thanks, in large part, to Wallyworld -- in
> concert with other "big box" stores -- and their brutally predatory
> "competition".
 
There's stuff I buy at Costco, stuff I buy at Sam's, stuff I buy at
Walmart, Stuff I buy at Smart&Final, Stuff I buy at Trader Joe's, stuff
I buy at the 99-Cents-Only Store, stuff I buy at Ralph's... If Mom+Pop
stores want to survive they'll have to do something that the big box
stores can't, which is unfortunately getting more and more difficult..
I'm really sorry to see them go, but liife goes on.
 
> Sam's minion could compare the contents of their shopping carts to their
> receipts. It didn't seem to matter to any of them that the items being
> "verified" already belonged to _them_!
 
They don't actually compare, they just pretend. You agree to it if you
join. The solution is simple if you don't wish to participate in this
form of security theater.
 
Costco actually used to check, and one of them found something that was
NOT on my receipt, and I was really pissed because the checker missed it.
 
Costco and Sam's are the same, just slightly different. Costco is
slightly ckeaper. NEITHER of them carries that good Stagg chili any
more, and 'Cattle Drive' sucks badly.
 
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They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy,
they'd have indoor plumbing by now." -- Ann Coulter
John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 09 05:40PM

The Real Bev <bashley101 gmail.com> wrote:
>> that the items being "verified" already belonged to _them_!
 
> They don't actually compare, they just pretend. You agree to it if
> you join.
 
Citations please...
 
Nobody agrees to anything like that at Walmart. And there is no
indication at the store entrance or anywhere in the store that they
will inspect your receipt when you are trying to leave.
 
> Costco actually used to check, and one of them found something that
> was NOT on my receipt, and I was really pissed because the checker
> missed it.
 
More likely because that's just the way you are.
 
> "Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't
> have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor
> plumbing by now." -- Ann Coulter
 
Ann Coulter also says that women shouldn't have been given the right to
vote.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 07 07:36PM

Everybody has personal problems, but please try to stay on topic...
 
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John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 07 04:55PM

Does Walmart inspect your receipt when you are leaving the store?
 
The closest Wal-mart here does. They have been doing that for about a
decade. Seems to me they should post a sign(s) at the entrance with
regard to that, but they don't. I'm getting tired of it, planning to go
out of my way to avoid Walmart for a while. Even if it means traveling
miles across the food desert... I see the sheep lining up at the exit to
Walmart in order to get their receipt inspected before they leave. I just
can't do that.
 
I suppose one could refuse the inspection. Their only recourse being to
disallow your entrance to the store. But that hassle isn't worth it IMO.
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Nov 07 09:53AM -0800

John Doe wrote:
 
> I suppose one could refuse the inspection. Their only recourse being
> to disallow your entrance to the store. But that hassle isn't worth
> it IMO.
 
There are much better reasons to not give your business to WalMart.
John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 08 01:30PM

Trolls often post no-archive, like this one...
 
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John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 08 01:32PM

If you intend to help other people by posting to a group like this,
please do not post no-archive. If you are just a troll, posting
no-archive helps hide your trolling...
 
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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Nov 08 05:06PM

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
 
> I suppose one could refuse the inspection. Their only recourse being
> to disallow your entrance to the store. But that hassle isn't worth it
> IMO.
 
The one I go to used to have someone visually checking carts as they
left, asking for a receipt for un-bagged items. Then a year or two ago
they stopped even doing that. Now there is no one obviously checking at
the exit, except sometimes a greeter (goodbyer?) wishing everyone
leaving a nice day or whatever (and likely still doing that visual
check).
 
--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.
21blackswan@gmail.com: Nov 08 09:22AM -0800

they have someone there to "go through the motions"
of inspecting your goods, but
they don't/can't really do a thorough job
 
i think it's more of a "deterrent"
than really trying to catch shoplifters
 
in the last few years,
they seem to have cut back on looking at receipts,
but i've seen a few "greeters"
 
marc
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 08 07:07AM -0500


>Everybody has personal problems, but please try to stay on topic...
Golly, who'd have thought it possible: An ignorant top-posting
twit masquerading as "mommy" trawling through ACF-L. I guess AOL _did_
serve a useful purpose, after all by providing them a home.
--
Derald
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 08 08:15AM -0500


>ACF-L
MCF-L; oops!
--
Derald
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-B. Franklin
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Nov 08 08:15AM -0500

>> to disallow your entrance to the store. But that hassle isn't worth
>> it IMO.
 
>There are much better reasons to not give your business to WalMart.
 
I agree with you on that one but, unfortunately, in many
communities it now is impractical, if not impossible for some items, to
avoid shopping at Wallyworld thanks, in large part, to Wallyworld -- in
concert with other "big box" stores -- and their brutally predatory
"competition".
To OP's point, I had the experience sometime in the late '90's but
it was because I was leaving the store with an item too large to bag.
Gratuitous Aside: In 2000, while comparison shopping automobile
tires, I toured a Sam's Club to determine whether it could ever possibly
be worth actually _paying_ someone just to shop in his store and there
witnessed customers dutifully lining up like cattle in a chute so that a
Sam's minion could compare the contents of their shopping carts to their
receipts. It didn't seem to matter to any of them that the items being
"verified" already belonged to _them_!
 
--
Derald
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-B. Franklin
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"gjensen" <gjensen@familiesonlinemagazine.com> wrote in message
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> See
> http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.com/life-style/interior-decorating/1984-easy-to-make-thanksgiving-decorations.html
> for ideas and how to
 
People decorate for Thanksgiving?
 
The time would be better spent making a custard pie.
John Doe <always.look@message.header>: Nov 08 12:08AM

Apparently some people believe that "frugal" means "anal-retentive".
 
Coincidently, according to Merriam-Webster...
anal-retentive:
exhibiting or typifying personality traits (as frugality and obstinacy)
held to be psychological consequences of toilet training
 
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"terrable" <terrable@terrable.net>: Nov 07 08:21PM -0500

"John Doe" <always.look@message.header> wrote in message
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> anal-retentive:
> exhibiting or typifying personality traits (as frugality and obstinacy)
> held to be psychological consequences of toilet training
 
Thanks for pointing that out.
 
I have never thought of associating "frugal" with "anal-retentive".
 
If anything frugal people get rid of crap because it takes up valuable
space.
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