Thursday, November 6, 2008

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* Best election analysis: 'GOP allowed neo-cons and Zionists to control the
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TOPIC: Best election analysis: 'GOP allowed neo-cons and Zionists to control
the party and the neo-cons/zionists lead us right over a cliff'
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 5 2008 8:57 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Dick Cheney" <wool-pulling@peoples.eye> wrote in message
news:wool-pulling-40E07E.18392305112008@news.supernews.com...
> In article <ilv3h41rqlgg0i92bgdbbvi85s2vqh19bp@4ax.com>,
> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well for starters, I'd make a bet right now that we are not at
>> (military) peace in the next 4 years.
>
> Darn. Shoulda elected YOUR guy.

Indeed.


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 3:36 am
From: clams_casino


Bob F wrote:

>"Dick Cheney" <wool-pulling@peoples.eye> wrote in message
>news:wool-pulling-40E07E.18392305112008@news.supernews.com...
>
>
>>In article <ilv3h41rqlgg0i92bgdbbvi85s2vqh19bp@4ax.com>,
>>Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well for starters, I'd make a bet right now that we are not at
>>>(military) peace in the next 4 years.
>>>
>>>
>>Darn. Shoulda elected YOUR guy.
>>
>>
>
>Indeed.
>
>
>
>
Or gal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFJr3XRedYU

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 7:35 am
From: JonL


clams_casino wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>
>> "Dick Cheney" <wool-pulling@peoples.eye> wrote in message
>> news:wool-pulling-40E07E.18392305112008@news.supernews.com...
>>
>>
>>> In article <ilv3h41rqlgg0i92bgdbbvi85s2vqh19bp@4ax.com>,
>>> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well for starters, I'd make a bet right now that we are not at
>>>> (military) peace in the next 4 years.
>>>>
>>> Darn. Shoulda elected YOUR guy.
>>>
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>
>>
> Or gal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFJr3XRedYU


This is the female version of Dan Quayle.

Now some are excusing this poor choice, claiming she wasn't vetted
properly....bullfeathers!!

Palin was chosen way back in February, or even earlier.
McCain-Palin were accepting donations as of March 1st.


from Delaware Sec of State website:


File Number: 4509524

Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 02/25/2008

Entity Name: MCCAIN-PALIN COMPLIANCE FUND

Entity Kind: Corporation Entity Type: Non-Profit or Religious

Residency: Domestic State: DE

Registered Agent Information: Name: THE CORPORATION TRUST COMPANY
Address: Corporation Trust Center 1209 Orange Street
City: Wilmington County: New Castle State: DE Postal Code: 19801 Phone:
(302) 658-7581


==================================================

What is a compliance fund? According to the disclaimer on the
McCain-Palin Compliance Fund site:

"McCain-Palin Victory 2008 is a joint fundraising committee by the
McCain-Palin Compliance Fund, Republican National Committee, and
Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, and Pennsylvania Republican Parties. Because
the McCain-Palin Campaign is participating in the presidential public
funding system, it may not receive contributions for the any [sic]
candidate's election. However, federal law allows the McCain-Palin
Campaign's Compliance Fund to defray legal and accounting compliance
costs and preserve the Campaign's public grant for media, mail, phones,
and get-out-the-vote programs. Contributions to McCain-Palin Victory
2008 will go to the Compliance Fund, and to participating party
committees for Victory 2008 programs."

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 10:09 am
From: "Lou"

"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gettdd$dar$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ges6t8$gv3$1@aioe.org...
>>
>> "Chris" <Chris@chris.net> wrote in message news:ges46s$5uf$1@aioe.org...
>>> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:12:51 -0800 (PST), Kalimansi
>>>> <jlwebster120@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of how one feels about some of Hal Turner's other views,
>>>>> his post-election analysis (see http://halturnershow.blogspot.com) is
>>>>> by far the most accurate and succinct I've seen thus far and I doubt
>>>>> it will be bettered in these regards by any other commentator:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The GOP allowed neo-cons and Zionists to control the
>>>>> party and the neo-cons/zionists lead us right over a
>>> ----- snip"
>>>>>
>>>>> * "America committed national suicide by allowing millions of illegal
>>>>> aliens and other non-citizens, to vote and get away with it. Again,
>>>>> republicans were afraid to be called racists by demanding enforcement
>>>>> of the law while socialist democrats were willing to lie, cheat and
>>>>> multiple-register ineligible people to steal the election."
>>>>
>>>> Let the games begin! President elect Obama is going to get hard
>>>> lessons in political reality. Though the airwaves are filled with the
>>>> usual blather about "bringing us together" the fact is that Americaa
>>>> is becoming more divided. ted
>>>>
>>> Man how confused you are. This is not a political analysis it's only the
>>> repetition of the worst republican talking points, wrong as they have
>>> always been. Let's turn page, shall we?
>>
>> Knock it off - these aren't republican views or talking points.
>
> No. They are the lies that some repubs spread to (try to) win elections.

I've noticed a tendency on the part of some people to all but literally
demonize both the party they don't belong to and its members. The
despicable sentiments expressed above are not views, policies, planks, or
whatever of the republican party. Nor are those who voice similiar views
always republicans, and democrats are no more immune than anyone else.


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 10:43 am
From: Dennis


On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:39:23 -0600, Dick Cheney
<wool-pulling@peoples.eye> wrote:

>In article <ilv3h41rqlgg0i92bgdbbvi85s2vqh19bp@4ax.com>,
> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well for starters, I'd make a bet right now that we are not at
>> (military) peace in the next 4 years.
>
>Darn. Shoulda elected YOUR guy.

Which guy was that? I'm not a republican nor McCain supporter.

Try again.

Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 3:16 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net


Son of a Zionist Terrorist: Rahm Emanuel's Dirty Secret

The new "golden boy" of the Democrat Party, the Israeli-American congressman
Rahm Emanuel, is the son of terrorist. Really, I am not making this up, the
chief power-broker of the Democrat Party, the 5-and-a-half foot foul-mouthed
Israeli named Rahm, is the son of terrorist – a real living terrorist.

So, what do we do as citizens of the land of the free and the home of the brave
fighting the War on Terror? Do we run and hide from the foul-mouthed little
Israeli who danced ballet and swears for effect - or do we laugh? Or do we
demand answers? How can we respect a U.S. Congressman who served in a foreign
army and whose father was a terrorist?

Rep. Rahm Benjamin Emanuel, the Democrat congressman for the 5th District of
Illinois in Chicago is the son of an Israeli terrorist. Rahm's father, Benjamin,
was a member of the Irgun, the Zionist terrorist organization that coined a new
word as they blew up hotels, train stations, and other buildings in Palestine in
the 1930s and 40s.

Rahm was an Israeli citizen until he was 18 years old, when for obvious reasons
he hid his Israeli passport in his underwear drawer. In 1991, however, he pulled
his Israeli passport out and went and reportedly joined the Israeli Army to
defend Zion from Saddam's Scuds.

Irgun, the army of his father, is short for Irgun Zvai Leumi, which supposedly
means something like "National Military Organization" in Hebrew. As a matter of
fact, the Irgun was simply a terrorist Zionist group that operated in Palestine
from 1931 to 1948. They killed innocent Palestinians and British soldiers and
blew up buildings.

After 1948 they became part of the new Israeli government and did the same
thing. In September 2001 they put their skills to work in New York City and
Washington to kick start the "war on terror" - a conflict long promoted by their
chief architect, Bibi Netanyahu, son of the former secretary of Ze'ev
Jabotinsky. [Ze'ev's former name was Vladimir]

The Irgun even has a website with pictures of the buildings they blew up before
they demolished the World Trade Center with Thermite and high explosives:

(Note: There are numerous pictures of Irgun terrorist activities at this link.)

In Israel, the Irgun is referred to as Etzel, an acronym of the group's Hebrew
initials. The Irgun was considered a terrorist organization by the British
authorities as well as by mainstream Zionist and Jewish organizations, such as
the Jewish Agency, the Haganah and the Histadrut. (It just has not made it onto
the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations – even after blowing
up the World Trade Center. Some people are slow to learn.)

Irgun was founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky and the relationship with Jabotinsky's
Revisionist Zionism made it the predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut and
Likud parties.

Guess who runs Israel today?

Answer: The sons and daughters of Irgun. (Check out the commander list on the
Etzel website if you don't believe me.)

Guess who runs the United States today? The same people – let's start with Rahm
Emanuel.

Of course you won't find anything Rep. Emanuel's father's exploits in Palestine
on Rahm's website.

The late Sherman Skolnick of Chicago called Rahm Emanuel the "Acting Deputy
Chief for North America of the Mossad – Israeli Intelligence.

Skolnick went on to say that Emanuel's father Benjamin had been "part of the
Israeli assassin team that murdered Sweden's Count [Folke] Bernadotte" in 1948.
Bernadotte was the envoy of the United Nations in Palestine who sought to find a
solution to the UN Partition Plan that gave Palestinian land to Jews from
"beyond the pale."

Was Skolnick correct? Skolnick does not document his claims so checked into his
allegations.

"Beyond the pale" would certainly describe where Rahm Emanuel's family came
from. His father's family came to Palestine from somewhere in the Ukraine in
1917, according to what Dr. Benjamin M. Emanuel told me the other day. Dr.
Emanuel now lives on the appropriately named Locust Road in Wilmette, Illinois.

Benjamin, speaking with a thick Israeli accent, told me that his father's name
was Ezekiel Auerbach and that his mother's name was Pinina or something like
that. He said it meant "pearl" in Hebrew. Asked about his role in the Irgun, Ben
told me he had been a "simple soldier."

Yes, Ben, but serving as "simple soldier" in a terrorist organization makes you
a terrorist. And the fact that you served in a terrorist organization 60 years
ago makes no difference. You know, same rules for Nazis and terrorists.

Is that not what all those fellows in Guantanamo are being held for?

The Emanuel family name was Auerbach until 1936, although they are not related
to the famous rabbinical family of Germany and Krakow named Auerbach. Ben said
that his family was from Russia. (Well, the pale but not quite Russia.)

His father Ezekiel supposedly changed the family name to Emanuel when his son
with that name died fighting Palestinians in 1936.

Many Jewish families in Palestine changed their names to make themselves sound
like they actually came from Palestine. And you wondered where all those Jews
disappeared during World War II?

Sheinerman became Sharon, Yezernitzky became Shamir, and Auerbach became
Emanuel, and so on. And then multiply by a few hundred thousand. Voila! Millions
of European Jews vanish from the face of the Earth - and build new lives in
Palestine.

Ben told me that Emanuel Auerbach had died from "shrapnel in the knee" in 1936.
When I asked him today for details on this incident he suddenly decided that he
did not want to do an interview on the phone and hung up.

But before he terminated the conversation, Dr. Benjamin Auerbach-cum-Emanuel
told me that he had been a member of the Irgun and had served under Menachem
Begin. He told me that he had never met Begin and had not smuggled weapons into
Palestine, other news reports notwithstanding.

Naftali Bendavid (not a local reporter) with The Chicago Tribune spent 18 months
working with Rahm Emanuel to prepare a story for the week after the mid-term
elections although Naftali did not think that there was enough room in the
9-page story to mention the salient fact that Dr. Benjamin Emanuel had been a
member of the terrorist organization – the Irgun.

No. In 9 pages of Bendavid's fluff piece there was simply no room to mention the
ugly fact that Rahm's father had been a member of a terrorist organization.

Naftali Bendavid (clearly of Israeli persuasion) wrote a 9-page cover story for
last Sunday's paper, which took up the entire second section of the now-failing
Chicago Tribune. (The latest rumor in Chicago is that the indicted but not
convicted Zionist criminal Maurice Greenberg may buy the Tribune.)

(This is the same paper that actually hired an outside writer from TIME magazine
to co-author a short piece in order to properly smear me and misrepresent the
story of my brutal arrest at the hands of Homeland Security goons last August.)

Naftali, at his office in Washington, knew all about Irgun when I spoke with him
on the phone. When I said it was an egregious omission to leave out the fact
that Rahm's father had been in the Irgun, he said he just couldn't figure how to
squeeze that bit into a 9-page article.

Naftali, let me help, as English is my mother tongue: "Rahm Emanuel's father
Benjamin was a member of the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist group that operated in
Palestine from 1931 to 1948. The Irgun blew up buildings and killed hundreds of
innocent people in order to achieve the goals of militant Zionism in occupied
Palestine."

Rahm's mother is Martha Smulevitz, who married the Israeli doctor in August
1955. Ben told me that they met in Chicago. I asked if she was related to the
Smulevitz family that was living in Palestine in the 1930s. He said no.

There are Smulevitz's and Shmuelevitz's all throughout the Zionist invasion of
Palestine. One was hanged by the Brits, one dealt with the Nazis in Berlin, and
another was the chief of staff for Menachem Begin – take your pick.

It would, however, be most interesting if Rahm's mother were actually related to
Moshe Smulevitz, the Zionist who went to Berlin with Pino Ginzburg to arrange
the transfer of Jews and money to Palestine – with the Nazi regime.

And you wonder where Rahm Emanuel got his "chutzpah" from?

"I said before the election that if the Democrats win the House, the lion's
share of the credit should go to Rahm," says Rep. Ray LaHood, an Illinois
Republican. "He legitimately can be called the golden boy of the Democratic
Party today. He recruited the right candidates, found the money and funded them,
and provided issues for them. Rahm did what no one else could do in seven
cycles."

And the fact that more than 70 percent of the American population is opposed to
wasting U.S. blood and treasure to fight a Zionist war in Iraq means nothing?

Rahm Emanuel's younger brother, Ari Emanuel, is Michael Moore's agent in
Hollywood.

He encouraged this latter to point out the supposed responsibility of Saudi
Arabia in September 11 attacks in his famous film Fahrenheit 911, the showing of
which was ensured by the Democratic Party.On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:35:28 -0600, in
misc.consumers.frugal-living JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:

>clams_casino wrote:
>> Bob F wrote:
>>
>>> "Dick Cheney" <wool-pulling@peoples.eye> wrote in message
>>> news:wool-pulling-40E07E.18392305112008@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <ilv3h41rqlgg0i92bgdbbvi85s2vqh19bp@4ax.com>,
>>>> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well for starters, I'd make a bet right now that we are not at
>>>>> (military) peace in the next 4 years.
>>>>>
>>>> Darn. Shoulda elected YOUR guy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Or gal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFJr3XRedYU
>
>
>This is the female version of Dan Quayle.
>
>Now some are excusing this poor choice, claiming she wasn't vetted
>properly....bullfeathers!!
>
>Palin was chosen way back in February, or even earlier.
>McCain-Palin were accepting donations as of March 1st.
>
>
>from Delaware Sec of State website:
>
>
>File Number: 4509524
>
>Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 02/25/2008
>
>Entity Name: MCCAIN-PALIN COMPLIANCE FUND
>
>Entity Kind: Corporation Entity Type: Non-Profit or Religious
>
>Residency: Domestic State: DE
>
>Registered Agent Information: Name: THE CORPORATION TRUST COMPANY
>Address: Corporation Trust Center 1209 Orange Street
>City: Wilmington County: New Castle State: DE Postal Code: 19801 Phone:
>(302) 658-7581
>
>
>==================================================
>
>What is a compliance fund? According to the disclaimer on the
>McCain-Palin Compliance Fund site:
>
>"McCain-Palin Victory 2008 is a joint fundraising committee by the
>McCain-Palin Compliance Fund, Republican National Committee, and
>Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, and Pennsylvania Republican Parties. Because
>the McCain-Palin Campaign is participating in the presidential public
>funding system, it may not receive contributions for the any [sic]
>candidate's election. However, federal law allows the McCain-Palin
>Campaign's Compliance Fund to defray legal and accounting compliance
>costs and preserve the Campaign's public grant for media, mail, phones,
>and get-out-the-vote programs. Contributions to McCain-Palin Victory
>2008 will go to the Compliance Fund, and to participating party
>committees for Victory 2008 programs."

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 5:32 pm
From: Dick Cheney


In article <9ke6h4lhisdt5t2m5g4uag48469plqaq19@4ax.com>,
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Which guy was that? I'm not a republican nor McCain supporter.

The guy you DID support! You know, the one you didn't support. Like all
those Republicans you never voted for. Obviously, you are neither a
Republican nor a McCain "supporter". You speak in meaningless code. If I
must guess, you supported Nobody, because Nobody will cut your taxes.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 5:42 pm
From: Ken Lay


In article <rlu6h4dgt15am7m5sadl3am5iggi4rqoht@4ax.com>,
lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:

> Rep. Rahm Benjamin Emanuel, the Democrat congressman for the 5th
> District of Illinois in Chicago is the son of an Israeli terrorist.
> Rahm's father, Benjamin, was a member of the Irgun, the Zionist
> terrorist organization that coined a new word as they blew up hotels,
> train stations, and other buildings in Palestine in the 1930s and
> 40s.

Wow, just like David Ben Gurion, who fought with the Irgun, blew up the
King David Hotel and later served as first Prime Minister of the
newly-created state of Israel.

That's just terrible! Awful! Let's undermine President Elect Obama over
it!

Your highly embroidered article neglects to mention how during the time
of the Irgun, Palestinians and Jews were united in their strife against
British imperialist oppression, rather a worldwide attitude at the
time. Similar sentiments simmered and actions took place in the British
colony of India. God help us if the Obama administration ever includes
a well-qualified Hindu or Sikh.

> Really, I am not making this up, the chief power-broker of the
> Democrat Party, the 5-and-a-half foot foul-mouthed Israeli named
> Rahm, is the son of terrorist – a real living terrorist.

"Go fuck yourself" -- Dick Cheney, in front of the world on the floor
of the United States House of Representatives. I suggest you take his
advice, to which I can only add, "... you racist pinhead".
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 6:02 pm
From: Truly Stunned


In article <gevbsq$kjg$1@aioe.org>, "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've noticed a tendency on the part of some people to all but
> literally demonize both the party they don't belong to and its
> members. The despicable sentiments expressed above are not views,
> policies, planks, or whatever of the republican party.

Perhaps not, but their advocates are well-represented and far too
influential under the Republican's laughably-named "big tent". Indeed,
if there is one major factor that lost John McCain and his party this
election, it is the disproportionately loud voice given them by
Republican leaders' misguided attempts at populism. The diseased
animals comprising this group should definitely be purged from the
party before it becomes irrevocably infected. IOW, force them back
under their uncivilized slimy little rocks and do whatever is necessary
to quarantine them there, and I will reconsider my current Democratic
party affiliation. I've been relatively conservative my entire life, but
conservatism has never meant illiterate, faith-based savagery to me, so
now I'm called a "leftist" a "socialist" and a "liberal" by subhumans
who do not even know the meaning of the words without looking them up.
And Republicans gave them legitimacy and sat back and laughed their
fatcat asses off for eight humiliating, insufferable years.

Who's laughing now?

> Nor are those who voice similiar views always republicans, and
> democrats are no more immune than anyone else.

Agreed, but Republicans have deliberately chosen to make theirs the
most inviting party of choice to those holding such despicable views.
It's why I became embarrassed to be a Republican when they selected
George W. Bush over McCain. I would have happily voted for Willie Brown
himself over any candidate fielded by the Republicans and their thugs.
Their stench became more than I could bear, and apparently the majority
of the rest of the country thankfully felt the same way.


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Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 3:44 am
From: Siskuwihane


On Nov 5, 12:02 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> BigDog1 <bigdog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 6:39 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 30, 11:37 am, lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>> A house on my (normally safe) street just got robbed in broad
> >>> daylight. The sad thing is, even if I'd been there and seen them
> >>> doing it, chances are I wouldn't have suspected anything, since I
> >>> didn't know the owners - or whether they were moving out or selling
> >>> anything!
>
> >>> Please consider telling all your neighbors to call the police if
> >>> they ever see anything like that at your house, unless you TOLD
> >>> them all in advance exactly WHEN the movers would be there. Of
> >>> course, they're more likely to say yes and mean it if you promise
> >>> to do the same for them.
>
> >>> Lenona.
>
> >> That might work in "some" neighborhoods, but in others these same
> >> neighbors might be the ones doing the break in.
>
> > Yup.  Somebody wants to burglarize my house?  Let'em come.  That's why
> > I pay all that money to my insurance company every year.  And if I'm
> > home when they come in, or I get home while they're still there, we're
> > gonna be all over the news for a couple of days.
>
> > I own very "things" that have such sentimental value they can't be
> > replaced.  Those few items fit in my safe deposit box, which is where
> > they are, along with all of my family's important papers (social
> > security cards, birth and death certificates, military records,
> > insurance policies, household inventory, etc, et al).  Family photos
> > and historical documents have been scanned and are stored with an
> > online storage service, as well as on discs in the aforementioned safe
> > deposit box. Wouldn't want to lose the originals, but if I do at least
> > I have the copies.
>
> > Truth is, I've got a few things at home that I wish someone would
> > steal.  I'd rather have the money.  Any takers?
>
> Yeah, my policy is 'new for old forever' so I was thinking
> that a damned good looting would go down very well indeed.
>
> I was a bit tempted to put a sign on the door saying 'away for 4 weeks, back on
> 5-Dec, but I thought maybe the insurance company might refuse to payout if I did.

More like folks would refuse to believe you were really away since you
are posting 24/7.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 8:26 am
From: "rick++"


I've always lived below my means, so its not really necessary
until depression times.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 11:54 am
From: "viet nam vet."


I heard the best way to spend your money, and you do have to get rid of
it in someway, hint; ;it just loses it's value in the mattress.
good investments.
Good tools ; that help you become more self-sufficient.
Durable goods and non-perishable items. In large quantities, maybe.
well, you get the idea.
spend away ! and turn that lawn into a garden.
and you might do your best to encourage the new Obama administration
to create a new economy to share the abundance around.
Why not?

Good luck to y'all.
--
Money; What a concept !

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 12:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


viet nam vet. <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> I heard the best way to spend your money, and you do have to get rid of it in someway,

No you dont.

> hint; ;it just loses it's value in the mattress.

There are better places to put it if you dont spend it.

> good investments.

That isnt spending it, thats saving it.

> Good tools ; that help you become more self-sufficient.

Most dont have enough of a clue to use those to do that.

> Durable goods and non-perishable items.

No point if you dont need those.

> In large quantities, maybe.

There arent any that durable.

> well, you get the idea.

Yep, that you dont have a clue.

> spend away ! and turn that lawn into a garden.

No thanks.

> and you might do your best to encourage the new Obama administration
> to create a new economy to share the abundance around.

Whatever he does doesnt require any encouragement. The problem is working out what will achieve that.

> Why not?

Because its a waste of time and money.

> Good luck to y'all.

It aint about luck.



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 6:27 pm
From: toiyuturhfh@googlemail.com


by Alan Stang
November 6, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that
was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening
here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a
South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her
comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see
whether you recognize any of this.

By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of
the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa
(but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future
Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar
to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups,
your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved
or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the
world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem
it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to
losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting
fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences,
writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are
comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for
yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political
accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White
Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to
challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result
of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to
cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots,
intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for
proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and
political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power
from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt
cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately
their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was
there and I saw it happen.

South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth.
Then Washington intervened.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the
sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National
Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to
achieve "peace."

Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an
innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said
in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have
been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are
builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for
our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts
and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the
psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and
Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in
perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia
- is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet
Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to
America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves.
The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation
of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and
its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and
savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western
politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps:
the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside
the realm.

Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia
exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did
this.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough
people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the
armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the
craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy
them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of
Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North
America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We
are not so very different from you.

South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad
(not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and
"racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white
man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his
compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your
neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's
history.

See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about
the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government
schools.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western
influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's
tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in
Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would
deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing
whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled
by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After
receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust
against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will
capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They
don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they
were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise
and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting
somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about
falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the
meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their
community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted
and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into
their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't
want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws.
But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by
court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority
says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge
"white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled
with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition
187 has already been overturned

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change
the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer
want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white
"racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying
the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official
language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first
targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now
experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the
decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the
banishment of your history from the education of the young; the
revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail.
Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear.
Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making
escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly
purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your
neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that
litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of
witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for
"medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in
the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome
generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial
solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites.
When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world,
white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring
him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents,
ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and
siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his
friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and
declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In
South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds
such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply
abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either
destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the
goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as
in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy
votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or
devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the
most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa
is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no
getting it back again.

Please note. Once it's gone, it's gone. Whatever you do later, however
hard you fight, you cannot get it back.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot
fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You
cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot
appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises
you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his
political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to
people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the
test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will
probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake:
They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and
George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your
possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights
activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will
fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and
your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your
weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?

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