Wednesday, August 6, 2008

25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* To juice or not. - 10 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
* does anybody here know anything abou freecycle - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/af17f8e5c05bfdd7?hl=en
* Buying clothes off eBay? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/38862886a3ad24cf?hl=en
* Visa Withdrawn - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb5d13e1ee6e8777?hl=en
* The leeches are reaching for more - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c1f04e2aa1094da5?hl=en
* FS: Robert Kline Mermaid, Sea Babies, Pirate & Sea Masters Art - 2 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9981dd101c36c6e9?hl=en
* Useful site for buying/selling - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e49ce57b5a2ef854?hl=en

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TOPIC: To juice or not.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:02 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:58:46 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>
>>>
>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>
>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>
>>>your pal,
>>>blake
>>
>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>
>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>> recovery.
>
> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
> AMERICA.
>
> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives ruined,
> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!

survival of the bat-shittest.

your pal,
blake

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:04 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:41:03 -0400, T wrote:

> In article <g7aeu4$6mc$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
> cyberpurrs@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>>
>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>>
>>>>your pal,
>>>>blake
>>>
>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>>
>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>>> recovery.
>>
>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
>> AMERICA.
>>
>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives ruined,
>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>
> I love the United States of America and hate what the Shrub is doing to
> it. I also don't want to see McCain as president.
>
> I've seen McCain take un-vetted questions and he strikes me as an
> Alzheimers sufferer. His short term memory is definitely showing a
> deficit.
>
> Do we really want someone like that with their finger on the button?

but mccain is a foreign-policy ace because he speaks fluent gibberish!
well, sometimes it's fluent.

your pal,
barry

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:07 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:42:42 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>>
>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>>
>>>>your pal,
>>>>blake
>>>
>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>>
>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>>> recovery.
>>
>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
>> AMERICA.
>
>
> Yup...you LIEberals HATE America and everything it stands for,
> cyberpussie...
>
>
>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives
> ruined,
>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>
>
> The more miserable things are, the *happier* you are..."bad news" gives you
> something to "cheer" about...natcherly that's the leftist way.
>
> I bet you and blake laff yer asses off when one of our troops gets killed in
> Iraq or Afghanistan...
>
> Did you and blake snicker about "evil" and "imperialist" America when 9/11
> happened, reasoning that we "deserved" it? I bet so...
>
> Or instead of referring to you as "cybercat and blake" maybe we could refer
> to your comedy act as "Fred and Ethel 'Rosenberg' ", hmmm...???
>
> And FYI there is no "depression"...in fact there's not even a
> *recession*...most folks are doing just fine...doesn't that just PISS you
> off, cyberschadenfreude...???

yeah, bush is great. it's the constitution that sux.

blake

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:09 am
From: clams_casino


Pan wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
>>
>>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years of
>>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the First
>>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
>>
>>And even if you can't, you have to.
>>
>>*cackle*
>>
>>
>
>Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
>bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
>
>And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>passed?
>
>

You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:10 am
From: blake murphy


On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:47:44 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> blake murphy <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net> wrote
>>>> ohco@hotmail.com wrote
>>>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>
>>>>>> Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly
>>>>>> unlikely you are better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>
>>>>> I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>>>> My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.
>
>>>> Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>
>>> Nope, completely realistic. The market recovered even after great depression.
>
>> yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war.
>
> The US didnt start a world war, and the market recovered
> in a lot less than 10 years too, you stupid pig ignorant child.
>
>> oh, wait, bush has already started on the latter.
>
> Pity the market hadnt tanked when he did, child.
>
>> prosperity is just around the corner!
>
> You wouldnt know what real prosperity was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

whatever you say, gayporn screenname.

blake

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 10:35 am
From: "cybercat"

"blake murphy" <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:neirp2x5lck9.1hb7jopalg3rs$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:42:42 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh,
>>>>>wait,
>>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>>>
>>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>>>
>>>>>your pal,
>>>>>blake
>>>>
>>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>>>
>>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>>>> recovery.
>>>
>>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you
>>> HATE
>>> AMERICA.
>>
>>
>> Yup...you LIEberals HATE America and everything it stands for,
>> cyberpussie...
>>
>>
>>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives
>> ruined,
>>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>>
>>
>> The more miserable things are, the *happier* you are..."bad news" gives
>> you
>> something to "cheer" about...natcherly that's the leftist way.
>>
>> I bet you and blake laff yer asses off when one of our troops gets killed
>> in
>> Iraq or Afghanistan...
>>
>> Did you and blake snicker about "evil" and "imperialist" America when
>> 9/11
>> happened, reasoning that we "deserved" it? I bet so...
>>
>> Or instead of referring to you as "cybercat and blake" maybe we could
>> refer
>> to your comedy act as "Fred and Ethel 'Rosenberg' ", hmmm...???
>>
>> And FYI there is no "depression"...in fact there's not even a
>> *recession*...most folks are doing just fine...doesn't that just PISS you
>> off, cyberschadenfreude...???
>
> yeah, bush is great. it's the constitution that sux.
>


oo you said "sux"


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:48 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"

cybercat wrote:

> "blake murphy" <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:neirp2x5lck9.1hb7jopalg3rs$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:42:42 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >
> >> cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
> >>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh,
> >>>>>wait,
> >>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>your pal,
> >>>>>blake
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
> >>>>
> >>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
> >>>> recovery.
> >>>
> >>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you
> >>> HATE
> >>> AMERICA.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup...you LIEberals HATE America and everything it stands for,
> >> cyberpussie...
> >>
> >>
> >>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives
> >> ruined,
> >>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
> >>
> >>
> >> The more miserable things are, the *happier* you are..."bad news" gives
> >> you
> >> something to "cheer" about...natcherly that's the leftist way.
> >>
> >> I bet you and blake laff yer asses off when one of our troops gets
killed
> >> in
> >> Iraq or Afghanistan...
> >>
> >> Did you and blake snicker about "evil" and "imperialist" America when
> >> 9/11
> >> happened, reasoning that we "deserved" it? I bet so...
> >>
> >> Or instead of referring to you as "cybercat and blake" maybe we could
> >> refer
> >> to your comedy act as "Fred and Ethel 'Rosenberg' ", hmmm...???
> >>
> >> And FYI there is no "depression"...in fact there's not even a
> >> *recession*...most folks are doing just fine...doesn't that just PISS
you
> >> off, cyberschadenfreude...???
> >
> > yeah, bush is great. it's the constitution that sux.
> >
>
>
> oo you said "sux"


Hey cybercat, is it *true* that your nickname is "Crazy Pants"...???

;-D


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:09 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"

clams_casino wrote:

> Pan wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
> >>
> >>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years
of
> >>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the
First
> >>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
> >>
> >>And even if you can't, you have to.
> >>
> >>*cackle*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
> >bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
> >
> >And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
> >Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
> >passed?
> >
> >
>
> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?


Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
damage that Clintoon did to the office...???


--
Best
Greg


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:15 pm
From: clams_casino


Gregory Morrow wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>
>>
>
>
>Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
>damage that Clintoon did to the office...???
>
>
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKrji0h9A

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> William Souden wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> nearly 1% of homes are currently in foreclosure - over 6% of
>>>>> mortgages are in default.
>>>>>
>>>> How many of these were by morons who were trying to keep up with
>>>> the Joneses'? Doesn't anyone take responsibility anymore? And
>>>> don't blame mortgage lenders. Democrats, including Obama in his
>>>> previous roles, had a lot to do with forcing banks to give
>>>> mortgages to people who really shouldn't have had them. Responsible people who took out loans and are paying them
>>>> back
>>>> faithfully are really the ones getting screwed,
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, not when interest rates are essentially set by the fed.
>>>
>>>> along with taxpayers having to bail out those whose money IQ is
>>>> somewhere between 1 and 50.
>>>
>>>
>>> No one is bailing them out.
>>>
>> How will welfare boy respond to this, Will he say it is
>> "irrelevant"?,"bullshit" or got to the flushing bot? All admissions
>> that the facts have failed him.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11cnd-housing.html?hp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The bill would authorize the Federal Housing Administration to insure
>> up to $300 billion in refinanced mortgages, enabling borrowers now
>> saddled with unaffordable loans to assume more manageable 30-year
>> fixed-rate loans. To take part in the program, lenders would have to
>> lower each debt obligation to 90 percent of a home's current value
>> and also make a payment to an insurance fund to insulate taxpayers
>> against losses from any future defaults.
>
>
> In reality, home mortgage rates are NOT "essentially" set by the Fed.

Fraid so.

> If they were, why are 30 yr rates still around 6% when the fed rate has dropped from over 5% in 2006 to 2% today?

Thats the cash rate, stupid.



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TOPIC: does anybody here know anything abou freecycle
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/af17f8e5c05bfdd7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:49 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply


A Veteran wrote:
>
> I tried both. seems Freecycle flooded my e-mail box with so many items,


Hint: You can set Yahoogroups mailing lists to not get mail and read
them on the web.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:48 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"


"A Veteran" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-9BFB06.08585306082008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <4898a037$0$17238$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply <samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>
>> > I've heard of it just wondering how it works.
>>
>>
>> Everything you need to know is here:
>>
>> http://www.freecycle.org/
>>
>> Some lists have a higher toleration for abuse than others.
>>
>> Also, there is Craigslist, www.craigslist.org, which has a free section.
>> Which one is better will depend on your local community.
>
> I tried both. seems Freecycle flooded my e-mail box with so many items,
> I just canceled.

set it to digest. you'll only get a few a day.



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TOPIC: Buying clothes off eBay?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/38862886a3ad24cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:49 am
From: me@privacy.net


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Based on that, I'd say $12 is expensive.
>
>What matters is the total price. Thats what you pay.

Well the TOTAL price on the shoes I want including
shipping is abt $60

These shoes normally sell for $100 at any retailer...so
even with the $12 shipping the overall total is some
440 cheaper!

I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT
much cheaper?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 10:38 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply


me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT
> much cheaper?

Overstocks by stores in small towns, people who bought shoes and wore
them once and the people wouldn't take them back, etc.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:21 pm
From: Dennis


On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:49:48 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Based on that, I'd say $12 is expensive.
>>
>>What matters is the total price. Thats what you pay.
>
>Well the TOTAL price on the shoes I want including
>shipping is abt $60
>
>These shoes normally sell for $100 at any retailer...so
>even with the $12 shipping the overall total is some
>440 cheaper!
>
>I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT
>much cheaper?

Before you buy from ebay, compare at shoebuy.com. Free shipping, plus
satisfaction guarantee with free return shipping. I've bought from
them in the past and was happy with the deal and service. YMMV.

No affiliation, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Based on that, I'd say $12 is expensive.

>> What matters is the total price. Thats what you pay.

> Well the TOTAL price on the shoes I want including shipping is abt $60

> These shoes normally sell for $100 at any retailer...so even with
> the $12 shipping the overall total is some 440 cheaper!

> I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT much cheaper?

They dont have to pay rent for the retail store etc and the staff to run it.

And with some of them, you deal directly with the
chinese person, no middleman store or cut at all.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:34 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply


Dennis wrote:
>
> Before you buy from ebay, compare at shoebuy.com. Free shipping, plus
> satisfaction guarantee with free return shipping. I've bought from
> them in the past and was happy with the deal and service. YMMV.
>
> No affiliation, yadda, yadda, yadda.


THANK YOU!!!!! They have lots of styles that my size-13,
ballerina-flat-loving daughter would like and they are cheaper than
where we have been buying them.

I even hate most current shoe fashions, and I found at least a dozen
different dress shoes that I would wear.

*****SMOOCHIE***** *****SMOOCHIE***** *****SMOOCHIE*****
*****SMOOCHIE***** *****SMOOCHIE*****

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:20 pm
From: me@privacy.net


Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Before you buy from ebay, compare at shoebuy.com. Free shipping, plus
>satisfaction guarantee with free return shipping. I've bought from
>them in the past and was happy with the deal and service. YMMV.

Ok thanks

I will give them some consideration


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TOPIC: Visa Withdrawn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:00 pm
From: PaPaPeng


On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:41:44 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In article <pboi94dqevjj0fmg5cmpb3qp53k6bj2nk3@4ax.com>,
> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled a
>> "Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from Beijing
>> immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.
>
>Wrong newsgroup.

Yep. I was wondering where this post went.


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TOPIC: The leeches are reaching for more
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:28 pm
From: Gordon


"Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in
news:4LWdnRcol4hTEwTVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com:

> Gordon wrote:
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating
>> oil tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>
>
> Cable is not a necessity. It is a choice. And what *they* want you to
> do is completely irrelevant. We have not had any kind of t.v. into our
> house in about 14 years.

That's the way I lived until I was about 14. Then when I
moved out, I didn't bother to buy a TV. But when I got
married I found that the wife came with a TV. Now, you did see the
words "could have" in my rant above? See I finnaly got smart
and pulled the plug on the CATV. I'd like to get rid of the
TV entirely, But there would be no end to the whining by the
Wife and kids. To I have a set of Rabbit ears hooked up to
a DTV converter box. So at least they got the locals and some
priemium content on the sub channels. They also watch some
TV content via the internet.
>
>
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>
>
> They may want to. You gonna let them? And while we are at it, why do
> you need a cell AND a land line? We have both simply because the cost
> of the phone in our broadband bundle is negligible.

Same here. It's a ballance between the cell phone and the
Landline to get the best rate. LD is free on the Cell,
esp to my MIL and some other family who are on the same
carrier.

I'm looking into getting fios for internet. It costs the
same regardless of whether the phone service is bundled
with it. So with fios I could possibly save some money
by switching to a VOIP provider.


> As a homeschooling
> family who does not buy a curriculum, I would say that internet is a
> necessity for us.
>
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>>
>> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
>
> Good thing we are too smart to let them attach to us!
>
>

Right.
This whole rant came out of a conversation I was having with
my Father. I was commenting to him about my daughter who
wanted me to buy her a priemium membership for a kiddie
web site. Which, of course, led to the comparison of various
monthly bills then and now.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:37 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers


In article <Xns9AF1D5D52D23Dgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
gonzo@alltomyself.com says...
> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> packages,
> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.
>
> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!


How are they leeches?

The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't
mean, in and of itself, that you are paying more (although with
inflation you are.)

Are those other services forcing you to buy them against your
will?

Also, I generally use the term, "leech" to mean someone who only
takes/demands, without offering anything at all in return.
Although I have known leeches who insisted that they were selling
the wonderful "service" of allowing other people to feel the joy
of "helping."

--
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http://www.cardreport.com/
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 8:13 pm
From: George Grapman


Coffee's For Closers wrote:
> In article <Xns9AF1D5D52D23Dgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
> gonzo@alltomyself.com says...
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
>> tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>>
>> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
>
> How are they leeches?
>
> The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't
> mean, in and of itself, that you are paying more (although with
> inflation you are.)
>
> Are those other services forcing you to buy them against your
> will?
>
> Also, I generally use the term, "leech" to mean someone who only
> takes/demands, without offering anything at all in return.
> Although I have known leeches who insisted that they were selling
> the wonderful "service" of allowing other people to feel the joy
> of "helping."
>
>
I also remember mailing checks for all those services. I purchased 20
first class stamps several months ago and have used two.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:46 pm
From: Jewelry by Yael


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:53 pm
From: clams_casino


Spam by Yael wrote:

>Starting at $10
>

What happened? eBay kick you off for all your spamming?


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 11:41 pm
From: Flora


Hello everyone,

I found an interesting site for buying and selling products; where
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* Describe American teenagers' lives to a 16-year-old Chinese girl - 2
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed, ye sloppy witch, despised substance of divinest show, ye
penned:

> Do all women just lie there and make crappy little ohh noises during
> sex? My g/f doesn't seem to do anything, I'm worried that I am crap in
> bed! She is my first. help! any tips on how to be better any
> techniques to try???

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:07 am
From: clams_casino


William Souden wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>
>>>> nearly 1% of homes are currently in foreclosure - over 6% of
>>>> mortgages are in default.
>>>>
>>> How many of these were by morons who were trying to keep up with the
>>> Joneses'? Doesn't anyone take responsibility anymore? And don't
>>> blame mortgage lenders. Democrats, including Obama in his previous
>>> roles, had a lot to do with forcing banks to give mortgages to people
>>> who really shouldn't have had them. Responsible people who took out
>>> loans and are paying them back faithfully are really the ones
>>> getting screwed,
>>
>>
>> Nope, not when interest rates are essentially set by the fed.
>>
>>> along with taxpayers having to bail out those whose money IQ is
>>> somewhere between 1 and 50.
>>
>>
>> No one is bailing them out.
>>
> How will welfare boy respond to this, Will he say it is
> "irrelevant"?,"bullshit" or got to the flushing bot? All admissions
> that the facts have failed him.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11cnd-housing.html?hp
>
>
>
>
> The bill would authorize the Federal Housing Administration to insure
> up to $300 billion in refinanced mortgages, enabling borrowers now
> saddled with unaffordable loans to assume more manageable 30-year
> fixed-rate loans. To take part in the program, lenders would have to
> lower each debt obligation to 90 percent of a home's current value and
> also make a payment to an insurance fund to insulate taxpayers against
> losses from any future defaults.


In reality, home mortgage rates are NOT "essentially" set by the Fed.
If they were, why are 30 yr rates still around 6% when the fed rate has
dropped from over 5% in 2006 to 2% today?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 8:45 am
From: Pan


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:00:24 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:o68h94d2id4qo715m0opv7ocag3o85u1fb@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:34:42 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you think you ignorant Republican motherfuckers could please piss off?
>>>
>> Well I could piss off of any thing you want.
>> As to being a motherfucker, yes I am, and what's your mothers name?
>>
>> As you can see any one can be crude & ignorant, now did that make you
>> feel better?
>>
>> And I will stay here as long as I want.
>
>It was just a request. I even said "please."

O.K. You get one point for "please"
But you lost two points for "ignorant" & "motherfucker"
so your now -1
>

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 8:49 am
From: Pan


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:58:46 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>
>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>> recovery.
>
>There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
>AMERICA.
>
>What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives ruined,
>some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>
A little reading comprehension would be helpfully.
I said hate Bush, if I had meant hate America, I would have said
that.

And I did not discount the trials and tribulations of those who lived
during the depression. I questioned the actions of Roosevelt.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 8:57 am
From: Pan


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
wrote:


>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
>
>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years of
>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the First
>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
>
>And even if you can't, you have to.
>
>*cackle*

Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.

And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
passed?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:02 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:58:46 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>
>>>
>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>
>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>
>>>your pal,
>>>blake
>>
>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>
>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>> recovery.
>
> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
> AMERICA.
>
> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives ruined,
> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!

survival of the bat-shittest.

your pal,
blake


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TOPIC: Describe American teenagers' lives to a 16-year-old Chinese girl
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:02 am
From: PaPaPeng


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:50:32 -0700 (PDT), "mehlREMOVETHIS@cyvest.com"
<mehl@cyvest.com> wrote:

>Hello --
>
>This topic is probably off-base for this group. I am posting it first
>here because I have found pretty level-headed advice in this group and
>maybe readers can help me on this question. Please tell me if you can
>suggest other newsgroups better suited to this question.
>
>A Chinese 16-year-old girl I met in China a year ago wants me to tell
>her something about American teenagers. My children are long past
>that age and I need to acquire some cultural awareness quickly.
>
>Can anyone suggest safe newsgroups, blogs or websites that present
>factual information about American teenage life that I could recommend
>she browse?
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Larry Mehl


That's a pretty big question. What she really wants to know is are
the images she sees in Hollywood films anywhere near reality? Those
are the impressions she would be familiar with. On one hand we have
those dark murderous images of poor inner city youth gangs. On the
other hand there are these images of late teen white vacuous kids a-la
Paris Hilton. They seem to be so wealthy and carefree that America
must really be the land of milk and honey where one doesn't have to
strive for anything to live a luxurious life.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:45 am
From: Shawn Hirn


In article
<33c7d130-44a6-4948-8a58-4beb496e236e@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
"mehlREMOVETHIS@cyvest.com" <mehl@cyvest.com> wrote:

> Hello --
>
> This topic is probably off-base for this group. I am posting it first
> here because I have found pretty level-headed advice in this group and
> maybe readers can help me on this question. Please tell me if you can
> suggest other newsgroups better suited to this question.
>
> A Chinese 16-year-old girl I met in China a year ago wants me to tell
> her something about American teenagers. My children are long past
> that age and I need to acquire some cultural awareness quickly.
>
> Can anyone suggest safe newsgroups, blogs or websites that present
> factual information about American teenage life that I could recommend
> she browse?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.

Does this Chinese girl have Internet access at home? If so, she can ask
American teenage girls herself. I don't have any kids, but I am close
with a cousin who has four kids, the oldest of which is 14. She chats
online with kids her age from all over the world. She meets them online
at various web sites such as myspace, club penguin, etc.

One has to be careful, of course, but the Internet is a great way to
meet friends. My cousin's 9 year old daughter has a web cam on her
laptop and she practices violin with a girl her age in England. Its just
amazing how the Internet can bring people who are far away closer.


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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:35 am
From: PaPaPeng


Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled a
"Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from Beijing
immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.

Chinese Deny Cheek's Visa
By Katie Thomas
August 5, 2008, 11:10 pm
http://olympics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/chinese-deny-cheeks-visa/

BEIJING — The Chinese embassy revoked the visa of Joey Cheek, a former
Olympic speedskater and the founder of the group Team Darfur, a day
before he was scheduled to fly to Beijing, Cheek said Tuesday.
Cheek had planned to fly to Beijing Wednesday, but said he received a
call from the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. late Tuesday
afternoon saying that his visa had been revoked. He said he was not
given a reason for the change.

Team Darfur is a group of athletes, including 72 current Olympians,
who have called attention to China's link to the Darfur crisis.
"I have always been an absolute believer in the Olympics and what the
Olympics can do," said Cheek, who won a gold medal in Turin in 2006.
"I never asked for a boycott."

Emmanuelle Moreau, a spokeswoman for the International Olympic
Committee, said she was aware of Cheek's visa situation but said she
could not comment. Because Cheek is not a current Olympian, "visa
applications from non-accredited persons do not fall within the
I.OC.'s remit and we are therefore not best placed to answer you on
this question," Moreau said in an e-mail message.

A spokesman for the Beijing organizing committee could not immediately
be reached for comment.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:36 am
From: "Rod Speed"


PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled
> a "Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from
> Beijing immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.

Makes more sense to use the traditional chinese approach, bullet
in the back of the neck and send the bill for the bullet to the relos.

> Chinese Deny Cheek's Visa
> By Katie Thomas
> August 5, 2008, 11:10 pm
> http://olympics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/chinese-deny-cheeks-visa/
>
> BEIJING - The Chinese embassy revoked the visa of Joey Cheek, a former
> Olympic speedskater and the founder of the group Team Darfur, a day
> before he was scheduled to fly to Beijing, Cheek said Tuesday.
> Cheek had planned to fly to Beijing Wednesday, but said he received a
> call from the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. late Tuesday
> afternoon saying that his visa had been revoked. He said he was not
> given a reason for the change.
>
> Team Darfur is a group of athletes, including 72 current Olympians,
> who have called attention to China's link to the Darfur crisis.
> "I have always been an absolute believer in the Olympics and what the
> Olympics can do," said Cheek, who won a gold medal in Turin in 2006.
> "I never asked for a boycott."
>
> Emmanuelle Moreau, a spokeswoman for the International Olympic
> Committee, said she was aware of Cheek's visa situation but said she
> could not comment. Because Cheek is not a current Olympian, "visa
> applications from non-accredited persons do not fall within the
> I.OC.'s remit and we are therefore not best placed to answer you on
> this question," Moreau said in an e-mail message.
>
> A spokesman for the Beijing organizing committee could not immediately
> be reached for comment.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:36 am
From: "terrable"

"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pboi94dqevjj0fmg5cmpb3qp53k6bj2nk3@4ax.com...
>
>
> Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled a
> "Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from Beijing
> immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.
>

Who would be stupid enough to unfurl a "Tibet is Free" banner in Beijing?

Everyone knows that Tibet is being crushed and denied freedom by the
imperialist running dogs of Communist China.


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:41 am
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <pboi94dqevjj0fmg5cmpb3qp53k6bj2nk3@4ax.com>,
PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled a
> "Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from Beijing
> immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.

Wrong newsgroup.


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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:19 am
From: clams_casino


Gordon wrote:

>Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
>tank.
>Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
>Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
>Of course it's not that simple.
>Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>packages,
>And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>sell priemium membership.
>
>Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
>

If you want to have your father's bill structure, live that way - use
rabbit ears for TV reception, give up the computer, subscribe to basic
telephone service, buy a car without a CD player, air conditioning,
cruise control, etc.

It's like whining because the mortgage on your $500k home is more than
your neighbor is paying on his $200k home. Apples / oranges.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:48 am
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <Xns9AF1D5D52D23Dgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.

Yes, but other then the services you mentioned back in the 70's, plus
utility bills, everything else is a luxury. You can live without cable
TV service. You can get along without cell phone service.

> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> packages,
> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.

All of them are luxuries. I manage to get along fine without premium
cable TV and I can certainly afford it. My folks manage to muddle along
quite well without any cable TV at all and they have a pay as you go
plan for their cell phone. Neither my folks nor I pay for any web sites;
not necessary, they're pure luxuries.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:49 am
From: "Stephanie"


Gordon wrote:
> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating
> oil tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,


Cable is not a necessity. It is a choice. And what *they* want you to do is
completely irrelevant. We have not had any kind of t.v. into our house in
about 14 years.


> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> packages,


They may want to. You gonna let them? And while we are at it, why do you
need a cell AND a land line? We have both simply because the cost of the
phone in our broadband bundle is negligible. As a homeschooling family who
does not buy a curriculum, I would say that internet is a necessity for us.

> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.
>
> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!


Good thing we are too smart to let them attach to us!


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:50 am
From: "Stephanie"


Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <Xns9AF1D5D52D23Dgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating
>> oil tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> Yes, but other then the services you mentioned back in the 70's, plus
> utility bills, everything else is a luxury. You can live without cable
> TV service. You can get along without cell phone service.
>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>
> All of them are luxuries. I manage to get along fine without premium
> cable TV and I can certainly afford it. My folks manage to muddle
> along quite well without any cable TV at all and they have a pay as
> you go plan for their cell phone. Neither my folks nor I pay for any
> web sites; not necessary, they're pure luxuries.


Pay as you go plans are not necessarily cheaper btw. Most will have the
minutes you buy expire if you don't use them. The best package is going to
depend on usage.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:16 am
From: Aratzio


On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:52:57 +0545, in alt.usenet.kooks, "Kadaitcha
Man"
<shaking.bee.stings@alt.butts.worthless-caped-crusader.com.australia>
bloviated:

>Gordon, ye fool-born fools on both sides, four of thy five wits went
>halting off, and now is the whole man governed with one, ye tattled:
>
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
>> tank. Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
>When ah were a lad, we lived in t'hole in middle o'road...

Ah, luxury, you had a hole AND a road.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:09 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)


On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:45:24 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber) wrote:
>
>>clothes are heavy. but if the shipping charge looks too high, don't
>>use that seller. someone who will try to cheat you on shipping will
>>try to cheat you on merchandise also. a lot of people do add a
>>handling charge. if it's just a couple of dollars, i don't mind, but
>>if it's more, again i don't buy from them.
>>
>>it also can be 'fee avoidance'. they don't have t give ebay a
>>percentage of the shipping, so if they add an extra $10, they save
>>some money. these people aren't to be trusted either. unless you are
>>buying something very rare, just avoid the questionable sellers.
>>there are plenty of others.
>
>Well is this company in link
>
>http://stores.ebay.com/Adrimar-Trading-Company
>
>Look like they charge $12 to ship shoes. I guess shoes
>are a bit heavy.

unless you are getting extremely strong heavy boots or having them
shipped from out of the country, that looks excessive. the shipping i
have paid for shoes is around $5/$7. i do check the postage when i
get the package and this is about right for actual postage and a
dollar or two for handling.

as i said before, i wouldn't buy from them, but a $5 or so handling
charge isn't really out of line for a company. but if you can get it
elsewhere, you woiuld be better off. check their feedback. for a
company anything less tha 99++% is a warning signal.

elise



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:18 am
From: "smiths213@gmail.com"


The are almost giving it away!


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:36 am
From: AndyTao <22265737@qq.com>


Shop fast, Buy smart, Shopzilla for Furniture and other Furniture and
Home Decor. Every product from every store means you get a Bargain
Price. Don't just shop.
http://www.ogogo123sina.cn/


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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:51 am
From: "Stephanie"


Seerialmom wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:40 am, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>> "CurlyQue" <ma...@gug.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:oI-dnemwWJF78gXVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@centurytel.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>>> "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:IKWdnWIZCd4W2QXVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper
>>>>> there. We buy the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The
>>>>> large cans are even cheaper, but we don't each that much before
>>>>> it goes bad. Is there anything I can do with this fruit? I cannot
>>>>> imagine taking canned fruit and freezing it...
>>
>>>> why not? probably be mushy when thawed, but if you use it for
>>>> smoothies/pies, should be okay.
>>
>>>> ----------------------
>>>> "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His
>>>> justice cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>>> "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
>>>> decide everything." -- Josef V. Stalin
>>
>>>> www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny
>>
>>>> heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down
>>>> for some surprises.
>>
>>> Boil it with some sugar and put it up as preserves?
>>
>>> Curly
>>
>> There's already a ton of sugar in canned fruit, especially if it's
>> packed in
>> syrup. Canned fruit is really unhealty, unless you can it yourself
>> without
>> all the extra sugar. It's much more frugal to by fresh fruit and
>> freeze it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Canned fruit is not unhealthy. Only the syrup it's packed in is, and
> not all canned fruit is packed in HFCS. Sure, there are degrees of
> "nutritiousness" in fruits (fresh picked yourself and eaten on the
> spot, flash frozen, fresh in store, canned and last, dehydrated.


The fresh season here in VT is *short* and does not cover much. We buy up
all the in season from the US when it is on sale and eat like royality. But
much of the year the supposed fresh fruit is expensive and nasty.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:46 am
From: Terri


"Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in
news:u9mdnT2r_M3kEgTVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:

> The fresh season here in VT is *short* and does not cover much. We buy
> up all the in season from the US when it is on sale and eat like
> royality. But much of the year the supposed fresh fruit is expensive and
> nasty.

I feel your pain. Supermarket our of season crap is just that, crap.
Another thing to do with the excess would be to dehydrate it
future use or you could make fruit leathers from it.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:52 am
From: "Stephanie"


Terri wrote:
> "Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in
> news:u9mdnT2r_M3kEgTVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> The fresh season here in VT is *short* and does not cover much. We
>> buy up all the in season from the US when it is on sale and eat like
>> royality. But much of the year the supposed fresh fruit is expensive
>> and nasty.
>
> I feel your pain. Supermarket our of season crap is just that, crap.
> Another thing to do with the excess would be to dehydrate it
> future use or you could make fruit leathers from it.


I was thinking of getting a dehydrator. I don't know much about them. When I
have done fruit leather in the oven, it never comes out. Can you do leather
in a dehydrator or just chunks?


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:53 am
From: "Stephanie"


Terri wrote:
> "Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in
> news:u9mdnT2r_M3kEgTVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> The fresh season here in VT is *short* and does not cover much. We
>> buy up all the in season from the US when it is on sale and eat like
>> royality. But much of the year the supposed fresh fruit is expensive
>> and nasty.
>
> I feel your pain. Supermarket our of season crap is just that, crap.
> Another thing to do with the excess would be to dehydrate it
> future use or you could make fruit leathers from it.

I am also a more than adequate canner. I just have only recently gotten to
the point of being poor enough to warrant saving Every Last Scrap! (But we
are happier than we have ever been, so there is no complaint here.)



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 8:58 am
From: A Veteran


In article <4898a037$0$17238$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply <samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:

> > I've heard of it just wondering how it works.
>
>
> Everything you need to know is here:
>
> http://www.freecycle.org/
>
> Some lists have a higher toleration for abuse than others.
>
> Also, there is Craigslist, www.craigslist.org, which has a free section.
> Which one is better will depend on your local community.

I tried both. seems Freecycle flooded my e-mail box with so many items,
I just canceled.
Craigslist is good.
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Today's topics:

* The leeches are reaching for more - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Describe American teenagers' lives to a 16-year-old Chinese girl - 3
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TOPIC: The leeches are reaching for more
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:01 pm
From: Gordon


Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
tank.
Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.

Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.

Of course it's not that simple.
Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
packages,
And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
sell priemium membership.

Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:07 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"


Gordon, ye fool-born fools on both sides, four of thy five wits went
halting off, and now is the whole man governed with one, ye tattled:

> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> tank. Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.

When ah were a lad, we lived in t'hole in middle o'road...

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 10:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill a
> phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.

> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill, a cell phone
> bill, an internet access bill, I could have a cable TV bill, A water +
> sewer bill, a garbage collection bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.

Your problem.

> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do that.

If someone is doing that, call the cops.

> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data packages,

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do that.

If someone is doing that, call the cops.

> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com Facebook,
> Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter) Club penguine, Bratz,
> Petz.com, etc that want to sell priemium membership.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy that.

If someone is doing that, call the cops.

> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!

Corse there was nothing like that in the 70s, eh ?


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed, ye hedge-born hell's black intelligencer, weed this wormwood
from your unfruitful brain, ye purred:

> Am I having schizoid paranoia or just existential blues?


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TOPIC: Describe American teenagers' lives to a 16-year-old Chinese girl
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:50 pm
From: "mehlREMOVETHIS@cyvest.com"


Hello --

This topic is probably off-base for this group. I am posting it first
here because I have found pretty level-headed advice in this group and
maybe readers can help me on this question. Please tell me if you can
suggest other newsgroups better suited to this question.

A Chinese 16-year-old girl I met in China a year ago wants me to tell
her something about American teenagers. My children are long past
that age and I need to acquire some cultural awareness quickly.

Can anyone suggest safe newsgroups, blogs or websites that present
factual information about American teenage life that I could recommend
she browse?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Larry Mehl

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 10:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


mehl@cyvest.com <mehl@cyvest.com> wrote

> Hello --

Goodbye --

> This topic is probably off-base for this group.

Yep.

> I am posting it first here because I have found pretty level-headed advice
> in this group and maybe readers can help me on this question. Please tell
> me if you can suggest other newsgroups better suited to this question.

Any of them.

> A Chinese 16-year-old girl I met in China a year ago wants me to tell
> her something about American teenagers. My children are long past
> that age and I need to acquire some cultural awareness quickly.

Not even possible.

> Can anyone suggest safe newsgroups, blogs or websites that present factual
> information about American teenage life that I could recommend she browse?

Nope.

> Thanks in advance for any help.

No thanks for your off topic post.

> Larry Mehl


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed, ye worm-infested bloody nero, you kiss by the book, ye
disputed:

> All I want is a warm bed and a kind word.


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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 10:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>
>>>> nearly 1% of homes are currently in foreclosure - over 6% of
>>>> mortgages are in default.
>>>>
>>> How many of these were by morons who were trying to keep up with the
>>> Joneses'? Doesn't anyone take responsibility anymore? And don't
>>> blame mortgage lenders. Democrats, including Obama in his previous
>>> roles, had a lot to do with forcing banks to give mortgages to
>>> people who really shouldn't have had them. Responsible people who took out
>>> loans and are paying them back faithfully are really the ones
>>> getting screwed,
>>
>> Nope, not when interest rates are essentially set by the fed.
>>
>>> along with taxpayers having to bail out those whose money IQ is
>>> somewhere between 1 and 50.

>> No one is bailing them out.

> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11cnd-housing.html?hp

> The bill would authorize the Federal Housing Administration to insure up to $300 billion in refinanced mortgages,
> enabling borrowers now saddled with unaffordable loans to assume more manageable 30-year fixed-rate loans.

That aint bailing them out, thats stopping them getting shafted by spivs and con men.

> To take part in the program, lenders would have to lower each debt obligation to 90 percent of a home's current value
> and also make a payment to an insurance fund to insulate taxpayers against losses from any future defaults.

And thats a hell of a lot better than getting nothing for the house.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 10:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>>>>>>> T wrote
>>>>>>>> ohco@hotmail.com wrote
>>>>>>>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>>>>>>>>>> Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely you are better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>>>>>>>>> I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>>>>>>>> My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will
>>>>>>>>> recover.
>>>>>>>> Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>>>>>>>> The economy as a whole is screwed. If you hadn't noticed the
>>>>>>>> unemployment rate is being reported as 5.7% or so which in
>>>>>>>> reality translates to 2 to 3 times that number since that
>>>>>>>> particular statistic only records NEW filings.
>>>>>> Pig ignorant lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to a recent Forbes article, " The misery index - the
>>>>>>> sum of the inflation and unemployment rates - is at a 15-year
>>>>>>> high, with no relief in sight."
>>>>>> Do the decent thing and hang yourself or sumfin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to CNNMoney, "planned job cuts announced by employers
>>>>>>> in July jumped 26% to 103,312 from 81,755 announced in June.
>>>>>>> That's up 141% from a year ago, when employers announced
>>>>>>> planned job cuts totaling 42,897."
>>>>>> A fart in the bath in total employment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the US Dept Labor - July 2008, " Over the past 12
>>>>>>> months, the number of unemployed persons has increased by 1.6
>>>>>>> million" -
>>>>>> And the unemployment rate isnt even 6%
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> July was the seventh straight month of job losses.
>>>>>> And the unemployment rate isnt even 6%
>>>>> Links to these facts have been repeated over and over
>>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>>
>>>>> In the US if you are unemployed during a reporting period but
>>>>> simply scan ads without applying for a job you are not considered
>>>>> to be unemployed during that period.
>>
>>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
>>
>>> From the very link you posted
>>
>> Still true, liar.
>>
>>> Passive methods of jobsearch do not result in jobseekers actually
>>> contacting potential employers, and therefore are not acceptable
>>> for classifying persons as unemployed.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
>>
>>> These would include such things as attending a job training program
>>> or course or merely reading the want ads.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
>>
>>>>> The major part of unemployment comes from people registering at
>>>>> state employment offices,something one needs to do when they are
>>>>> getting unemployment benefits. Since most jobs at those offices
>>>>> are the bottom of the barrel many stop registering when benefits run
>>>>> out.
>>
>>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
>>
>>>>> For the last few years the weekly number of new jobless claims
>>>>> has regularly exceeded the monthly number of jobs created.
>>
>>>> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. Thats only happened quite
>>>> recently.
>>
>>> http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/24/news/economy/jobless_claims/index.htm
>>
>> Doesnt say anything like your lie, liar.
>>
>>> February 24, 2005: 9:05 AM EST
>>
>>> NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Weekly jobless claims rose last week, the
>>> government said Thursday in reporting a figure that was higher than
>>> forecasts.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your lie, liar.
>>
>>> New claims for state unemployment benefits rose to 312,000 in the
>>> week ended Feb. 19 from a revised 303,000 the prior week.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your lie, liar.
>>
>>> http://www.amtonline.org/document_display.cfm/document_id/617/section_id/102/262000newjobscreatedinfebruary2005
>>
>> Irrelevant to your lie, liar.
>>
>>> The Bureau of Labor Statistics announced that 262,000 new payroll
>>> jobs were created in February 2005. Since May 2003, the economy has
>>> created over 3 million jobs. We have seen steady jobs gains for
>>> each of the last twenty-one months - and more Americans are working
>>> than ever before.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your lie, liar.

> Let's see.

Not even possible for you, liar. You wanked yourself blind LONG ago.

> I state the new weekly jobless claims regularly exceed monthly jobs created.

We can see that that isnt in fact what you stated.

> Ros said that is a recent thing.

And I didnt say that either.

> I post two links, one shows 262,000 new jobs created in Feb.,2005 while the
> other shows 312,000 new unemployment claims for one week in that month.

Even a terminal fuckwit race track bum should be able to work out that thats just
ONE month and so doesnt qualify as anything like what you actually claimed, liar.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed, ye demonic piece of scarlet, observe thyself, for the love of
mockery, ye dispensed:

> After reading the symptoms of a disease, why do I start to think I
> have the disease?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed, ye sloppy witch, despised substance of divinest show, ye
penned:

> Do all women just lie there and make crappy little ohh noises during
> sex? My g/f doesn't seem to do anything, I'm worried that I am crap in
> bed! She is my first. help! any tips on how to be better any
> techniques to try???


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:34 pm
From: terryc


On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:50:09 -0500, me wrote:

> Why the heck they charge so much for shipping on
> everything tho?

Often, that is where their profit is.

when ever you buy anything that requires shipping/postage, make sure you
include that in "the cost" when comparing sources.

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