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TOPIC: Hey consumers ! Its time to earn your dollars
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 3:55 am
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TOPIC: wholesale nike,jordan series,adidas,max,t-shirt,jean,handbag,watch,
children shoes
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 3:57 am
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== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:00 am
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:06 am
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:24 am
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:28 am
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== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:31 am
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== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:33 am
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:39 am
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:52 am
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TOPIC: Cell phone... or walkie talkie?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 3:58 am
From: Siskuwihane
On Sep 17, 9:11 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <1190050180.977649.95...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> LD <ldancau...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In true frugalista fashion, we are looking for a machine that would
> > keep the 4 of us (two parents and two children) hooked up, for the
> > smallest price. This is purely for security reasons, and in case of
> > emergency only. The most we are ever apart is 30 km (approx. 20
> > miles).
>
> > My first choice would be walkie-talkies; they would be much cheaper
> > than cell phones (there's the initial investment when purchasing the
> > thing, but that's it. No monthly fees, no additional gadgets that we
> > don't need or want, etc. etc.). However, I don't know what their
> > communication range is in a typical north-American city (we live in
> > Ottawa, Ontario).
>
> > If walkie-talkies are not a feasable option, then we would have to
> > look into a cheap cell phone service. Any recommendations?
>
> > Thank you for any advice and assistance you can provide.
>
> > LD
>
> Walkie talkies are only good for a mile or two. I suggest you shop
> around for a family cell phone plan.- Hide quoted text -
Our Midland's reach into the next town (17miles) easily. Many GMRS/FRS
radios have a 26 mile range, depending on terrain of course, but much
more than a mile or two.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 6:59 am
From: "C. Massey"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5l7u2sF6th3rU1@mid.individual.net...
> LD <ldancausse@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In true frugalista fashion, we are looking for a machine that would keep
>> the 4 of us (two parents and two children) hooked up, for the smallest
>> price. This is purely for security reasons, and in case of emergency
>> only. The most we are ever apart is 30 km (approx. 20 miles).
>
>> My first choice would be walkie-talkies;
>
> The distance is too much for that.
>
Wrong as usual.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 6:59 am
From: "C. Massey"
"Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190113100.263772.211590@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 17, 9:11 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> In article <1190050180.977649.95...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> LD <ldancau...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > In true frugalista fashion, we are looking for a machine that would
>> > keep the 4 of us (two parents and two children) hooked up, for the
>> > smallest price. This is purely for security reasons, and in case of
>> > emergency only. The most we are ever apart is 30 km (approx. 20
>> > miles).
>>
>> > My first choice would be walkie-talkies; they would be much cheaper
>> > than cell phones (there's the initial investment when purchasing the
>> > thing, but that's it. No monthly fees, no additional gadgets that we
>> > don't need or want, etc. etc.). However, I don't know what their
>> > communication range is in a typical north-American city (we live in
>> > Ottawa, Ontario).
>>
>> > If walkie-talkies are not a feasable option, then we would have to
>> > look into a cheap cell phone service. Any recommendations?
>>
>> > Thank you for any advice and assistance you can provide.
>>
>> > LD
>>
>> Walkie talkies are only good for a mile or two. I suggest you shop
>> around for a family cell phone plan.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Our Midland's reach into the next town (17miles) easily. Many GMRS/FRS
> radios have a 26 mile range, depending on terrain of course, but much
> more than a mile or two.
>
Never seen the GMRS/FRS with that type of distance, but they could always
get into ham radio. A 2 meter handheld would have quite a range on it as
long as there is a repeater locally.
Getting into ham radio would allow you the possibilities of talking world
wide with people.
Don't know anything about the license in Canada though.
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TOPIC: Illegal Immigration Bankrupting USA - 'Everything is free in America!'
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 4:31 am
From: greg3347
On Sep 17, 7:07 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
<guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> FROM OFFICIALWIRE.COM
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> Illegal Immigration Bankrupting America
>
> "Everything is free in America!"
>
> by Frosty Wooldridge
>
> LOUISVILLE, CO -- (OfficialWire) -- 09/14/07 -- Really? Two billion
> unfortunates in third-world nations hunger for a chance to migrate to
> America.
>
> While in-migration in small numbers may be sensible for specific
> reasons, bringing countless third-world people to the U.S. with no
> strategic plan or goals proves foolish and dangerous. Sufficient
> reasons exist for first-world nations to enforce their immigration
> laws: to protect jobs and citizens.
>
> Few Americans comprehend the various impacts and financial costs of
> illegal migration into the United States. Like a cancer, it enters the
> body while proliferating until, at some point, it compromises, then
> destroys the integrity of surrounding tissue. Illegal "migration"
> encroaches on legal American taxpayers who work honestly within their
> system.
>
> The costly overhead, the "fringe-benefits" - tend to sneak up on us.
> At first, communities and individual taxpayers don't notice it. But
> soon, it grows beyond normalcy - toward malignancy.
>
> With more than 20 million illegal aliens working and living in the
> United States today, that malignancy spreads out of control in every
> state where a sizable population of aliens congregates.
>
> According to the well-respected U.S. Center for Immigration Studies
> (www.cis.org), incarcerated convicted illegal aliens make up 29
> percent of federal, state and local prisons at a cost of more than
> $1.6 billion annually. This number doubles when the costs for
> apprehension, the justice system, public defenders, interpreters,
> prosecutors and the courts add to the total.
>
> Gig Conaughton, reporter for the North County Times, Escondido,
> California, wrote a piece exposing the horrific costs of illegal
> aliens in one county.
>
> Conaughton wrote, "A county-commissioned study estimated that illegal
> immigrants directly cost the county of San Diego and taxpayers $101
> million last year, and indirectly cost an additional $155 million in
> unpaid medical care. Public school costs and a myriad of social-
> services increase the actual costs, but are not included in the
> count."
>
> Illegal alien "migrants" cost the county roughly $75 million in
> criminal justice costs, such as jailing, prosecuting and public
> defender efforts - and $26 million in health, social and other costs.
> Experts said the estimates proved very conservative. Please remember,
> our laws only require that we provide emergency medical services.
>
> Conaughton wrote, "Spokesman Horn, who pushed hard for the study to be
> done, said Friday that he planned to use the report to lobby the
> federal government, through Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach, for
> help. He also said he thought the $255 million figure was too low - in
> part because he thought it underestimated the illegal immigrant
> population - and did not take education costs into account."
>
> Bilbray champions enforcement of existing immigration laws.
> "Bilbray, who campaigned for the study along with Horn when both were
> running for election in 2006, issued a written statement saying he was
> eager to work with Horn to get federal reimbursement," Conaughton
> wrote. 'When it comes to illegal immigration,' Bilbray said in his
> statement, 'the federal government is the biggest deadbeat dad in
> America.'"
>
> Net costs to provide services to illegals increased 500 percent in 7
> years.
> "In 2001, county supervisors released a study compiled by researchers
> for the United States-Mexico Border Counties Coalition that said San
> Diego County spent more than $50.3 million in 1999 on criminal justice
> and medical care for illegal immigrants," Conaughton wrote.
>
> "I'm not even asking that question," Horn said. "I spend taxpayer
> money for taxpayer services. That's my charge. My issue with the
> federal and state government is that they're asking me to spend my
> LOCAL taxpayer money on people who don't even belong here - and are
> here unlawfully."
>
> The San Diego report exposed shocking costs to taxpayers in one
> county. With California hosting more than five million illegal aliens
> and their kids and grand-kids, a 2005 report showed "migrants" cost
> state taxpayers more than $10.2 billion annually - for primary,
> secondary and tertiary services. That's money that could reduce the
> $38 billion state debt!
>
> Like California, Colorado citizen-taxpayers pay gigantic costs.
> In my state of Colorado, our finances struggle under the load of more
> than 500,000 illegals at a cost of $1 billion annually (Source:www.cairco.org) for primary, secondary and tertiary services. Some
> sources estimate triple that cost!
>
> These precious dollars pay for K-12 education, emergency medical
> costs, optional medical costs, the additional burden on the justice
> system and the public defender, and incarceration of convicted
> criminal aliens. Other costs covered include uninsured illegals in
> vehicular accidents, school breakfast and lunch programs as well as
> things like housing assistance.
>
> Under the radar, most Americans don't realize half of illegal aliens
> work off the books and pay no taxes. The 2005 Bear Stearns Report
> showed a related loss of $301 billion in uncollected IRS income taxes
> annually, for the 2003 base year.
>
> To make it worse, migrants yearly send more than $60 billion in cash
> remittances back to home countries- thus bleeding the U.S. treasury.
> These illegal aliens forget to report their job-wages when applying
> for "free" services.
>
> BIG "business;" children and grand-children born here to illegal
> aliens.
> "Instant citizens" create another drain on taxpayers' earnings. The
> average delivery costs $5,000 to $7,000 - depending on location. The
> pre-natal and postnatal care adds another $5,000. Is this 'birthing' a
> big item? Various experts tell us the number of such births in 2006
> was somewhere between 400,000 and 1,200,000 babies.
>
> The direct and indirect costs are thus somewhere between 4.4 BIL and
> 13.2 BIL U.S. dollars - per year - and that doesn't include the
> subsequent $3.5 BIL to $10.5 BIL - per year - for education. The real
> kicker occurs when each child gains free access to K-12 education and
> free breakfast and lunch program for 13 years of schooling. The cost
> of one year of school averages $7,000.00 - and the feeding programs,
> born by American taxpayers, soar into the billions of dollars.
>
> How many children of illegal aliens attend U.S. schools?
> The "official numbers" grossly understate the reality.
>
> If we tabulate 20-28 million illegal aliens here now - plus their 4-9
> million kids and grand-kids - and two-thirds of those kids attend
> schools - we pay to educate some 4-9 million kids. Factor-in birth
> costs, prenatal care, postnatal care, medical costs for children with
> birth-defects and other "complications," special needs kids, schooling
> and lunch programs - and we're talking big bucks. Do the math!
>
> The U.S. continues as the only first-world nation to endorse the old-
> paradigm - granting full citizenship and benefits to each child "Born
> in the USA ." France and Britain and all of the other first-world
> nations nullified that benefit many years ago, as counterproductive.
>
> California Rep. Dan Lungren introduced HR 1940 to stop birthright
> citizenship.
> He said, "It's a debate worth having, considering an estimated 400,000
> to 1,200,000 babies are born in the United States every year to
> illegal immigrant parents. Those babies receive automatic U.S.
> citizenship - at great cost to U.S. citizen-taxpayers. If citizenship
> is to have true meaning, foreign-nationals with no allegiance to the
> United States should not be able to lay claim to it on behalf of their
> offspring."
>
> Hidden Costs; not discussed in polite company
> As the financial costs grow, few speak about job losses and wages
> depressed for America's working poor. "Unemployment" proves a touchy
> subject, so the official numbers continue being grossly understated.
> In truth, 14-18 million U.S. citizen-taxpayers endure unemployment.
> They head to the unemployment lines, soup kitchens, homelessness and
> food stamps. Their family members suffer endlessly, but the
> "progressive" media maintains "silent assertion."
>
> Do not forget the middle class! They suffer job losses in roofing, dry-
> walling, construction, cab driving, landscaping, house painting,
> paving and restaurant work - just to name a few. We must also remember
> that each of these "breadwinners" usually features a spouse-partner, a
> few kids, and aging parents.
>
> No one escapes the ravages of illegal migration.
>
> Ask yourself this question. With more than 20 million "migrants" doing
> THIS MUCH DAMAGE, what happens to American workers and communities
> tomorrow, and the next day - when we add another 10 or 20 or 30
> million more illegal aliens into our country?
>
> If you are not enraged, you are part of the problem.
>
> Take action:www.numbersusa.comwww.thesocialcontract.comwww.fairus.orgwww.alipac.uswww.firecoalition.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 6:27 am
From: California Poppy
On Sep 18, 4:31?am, greg3347 <theodor...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 7:07 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
>
>
>
> <guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> > FROM OFFICIALWIRE.COM
> > THE INTERNET'S NO. 1 ONLINE NEWSWIRE & PR SERVICE!
>
> > Illegal Immigration Bankrupting America
>
> > "Everything is free in America!"
>
> > by Frosty Wooldridge
>
> > LOUISVILLE, CO -- (OfficialWire) -- 09/14/07 -- Really? Two billion
> > unfortunates in third-world nations hunger for a chance to migrate to
> > America.
>
> > While in-migration in small numbers may be sensible for specific
> > reasons, bringing countless third-world people to the U.S. with no
> > strategic plan or goals proves foolish and dangerous. Sufficient
> > reasons exist for first-world nations to enforce their immigration
> > laws: to protect jobs and citizens.
>
> > Few Americans comprehend the various impacts and financial costs of
> > illegal migration into the United States. Like a cancer, it enters the
> > body while proliferating until, at some point, it compromises, then
> > destroys the integrity of surrounding tissue. Illegal "migration"
> > encroaches on legal American taxpayers who work honestly within their
> > system.
>
> > The costly overhead, the "fringe-benefits" - tend to sneak up on us.
> > At first, communities and individual taxpayers don't notice it. But
> > soon, it grows beyond normalcy - toward malignancy.
>
> > With more than 20 million illegal aliens working and living in the
> > United States today, that malignancy spreads out of control in every
> > state where a sizable population of aliens congregates.
>
> > According to the well-respected U.S. Center for Immigration Studies
> > (www.cis.org), incarcerated convicted illegal aliens make up 29
> > percent of federal, state and local prisons at a cost of more than
> > $1.6 billion annually. This number doubles when the costs for
> > apprehension, the justice system, public defenders, interpreters,
> > prosecutors and the courts add to the total.
>
> > Gig Conaughton, reporter for the North County Times, Escondido,
> > California, wrote a piece exposing the horrific costs of illegal
> > aliens in one county.
>
> > Conaughton wrote, "A county-commissioned study estimated that illegal
> > immigrants directly cost the county of San Diego and taxpayers $101
> > million last year, and indirectly cost an additional $155 million in
> > unpaid medical care. Public school costs and a myriad of social-
> > services increase the actual costs, but are not included in the
> > count."
>
> > Illegal alien "migrants" cost the county roughly $75 million in
> > criminal justice costs, such as jailing, prosecuting and public
> > defender efforts - and $26 million in health, social and other costs.
> > Experts said the estimates proved very conservative. Please remember,
> > our laws only require that we provide emergency medical services.
>
> > Conaughton wrote, "Spokesman Horn, who pushed hard for the study to be
> > done, said Friday that he planned to use the report to lobby the
> > federal government, through Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach, for
> > help. He also said he thought the $255 million figure was too low - in
> > part because he thought it underestimated the illegal immigrant
> > population - and did not take education costs into account."
>
> > Bilbray champions enforcement of existing immigration laws.
> > "Bilbray, who campaigned for the study along with Horn when both were
> > running for election in 2006, issued a written statement saying he was
> > eager to work with Horn to get federal reimbursement," Conaughton
> > wrote. 'When it comes to illegal immigration,' Bilbray said in his
> > statement, 'the federal government is the biggest deadbeat dad in
> > America.'"
>
> > Net costs to provide services to illegals increased 500 percent in 7
> > years.
> > "In 2001, county supervisors released a study compiled by researchers
> > for the United States-Mexico Border Counties Coalition that said San
> > Diego County spent more than $50.3 million in 1999 on criminal justice
> > and medical care for illegal immigrants," Conaughton wrote.
>
> > "I'm not even asking that question," Horn said. "I spend taxpayer
> > money for taxpayer services. That's my charge. My issue with the
> > federal and state government is that they're asking me to spend my
> > LOCAL taxpayer money on people who don't even belong here - and are
> > here unlawfully."
>
> > The San Diego report exposed shocking costs to taxpayers in one
> > county. With California hosting more than five million illegal aliens
> > and their kids and grand-kids, a 2005 report showed "migrants" cost
> > state taxpayers more than $10.2 billion annually - for primary,
> > secondary and tertiary services. That's money that could reduce the
> > $38 billion state debt!
>
> > Like California, Colorado citizen-taxpayers pay gigantic costs.
> > In my state of Colorado, our finances struggle under the load of more
> > than 500,000 illegals at a cost of $1 billion annually (Source:www.cairco.org) for primary, secondary and tertiary services. Some
> > sources estimate triple that cost!
>
> > These precious dollars pay for K-12 education, emergency medical
> > costs, optional medical costs, the additional burden on the justice
> > system and the public defender, and incarceration of convicted
> > criminal aliens. Other costs covered include uninsured illegals in
> > vehicular accidents, school breakfast and lunch programs as well as
> > things like housing assistance.
>
> > Under the radar, most Americans don't realize half of illegal aliens
> > work off the books and pay no taxes. The 2005 Bear Stearns Report
> > showed a related loss of $301 billion in uncollected IRS income taxes
> > annually, for the 2003 base year.
>
> > To make it worse, migrants yearly send more than $60 billion in cash
> > remittances back to home countries- thus bleeding the U.S. treasury.
> > These illegal aliens forget to report their job-wages when applying
> > for "free" services.
>
> > BIG "business;" children and grand-children born here to illegal
> > aliens.
> > "Instant citizens" create another drain on taxpayers' earnings. The
> > average delivery costs $5,000 to $7,000 - depending on location. The
> > pre-natal and postnatal care adds another $5,000. Is this 'birthing' a
> > big item? Various experts tell us the number of such births in 2006
> > was somewhere between 400,000 and 1,200,000 babies.
>
> > The direct and indirect costs are thus somewhere between 4.4 BIL and
> > 13.2 BIL U.S. dollars - per year - and that doesn't include the
> > subsequent $3.5 BIL to $10.5 BIL - per year - for education. The real
> > kicker occurs when each child gains free access to K-12 education and
> > free breakfast and lunch program for 13 years of schooling. The cost
> > of one year of school averages $7,000.00 - and the feeding programs,
> > born by American taxpayers, soar into the billions of dollars.
>
> > How many children of illegal aliens attend U.S. schools?
> > The "official numbers" grossly understate the reality.
>
> > If we tabulate 20-28 million illegal aliens here now - plus their 4-9
> > million kids and grand-kids - and two-thirds of those kids attend
> > schools - we pay to educate some 4-9 million kids. Factor-in birth
> > costs, prenatal care, postnatal care, medical costs for children with
> > birth-defects and other "complications," special needs kids, schooling
> > and lunch programs - and we're talking big bucks. Do the math!
>
> > The U.S. continues as the only first-world nation to endorse the old-
> > paradigm - granting full citizenship and benefits to each child "Born
> > in the USA ." France and Britain and all of the other first-world
> > nations nullified that benefit many years ago, as counterproductive.
>
> > California Rep. Dan Lungren introduced HR 1940 to stop birthright
> > citizenship.
> > He said, "It's a debate worth having, considering an estimated 400,000
> > to 1,200,000 babies are born in the United States every year to
> > illegal immigrant parents. Those babies receive automatic U.S.
> > citizenship - at great cost to U.S. citizen-taxpayers. If citizenship
> > is to have true meaning, foreign-nationals with no allegiance to the
> > United States should not be able to lay claim to it on behalf of their
> > offspring."
>
> > Hidden Costs; not discussed in polite company
> > As the financial costs grow, few speak about job losses and wages
> > depressed for America's working poor. "Unemployment" proves a touchy
> > subject, so the official numbers continue being grossly understated.
> > In truth, 14-18 million U.S. citizen-taxpayers endure unemployment.
> > They head to the unemployment lines, soup kitchens, homelessness and
> > food stamps. Their family members suffer endlessly, but the
> > "progressive" media maintains "silent assertion."
>
> > Do not forget the middle class! They suffer job losses in roofing, dry-
> > walling, construction, cab driving, landscaping, house painting,
> > paving and restaurant work - just to name a few. We must also remember
> > that each of these "breadwinners" usually features a spouse-partner, a
> > few kids, and aging parents.
>
> > No one escapes the ravages of illegal migration.
>
> > Ask yourself this question. With more than 20 million "migrants" doing
> > THIS MUCH DAMAGE, what happens to American workers and communities
> > tomorrow, and the next day - when we add another 10 or 20 or 30
> > million more illegal aliens into our country?
>
> > If you are not enraged, you are part of the problem.
>
> > Take action:www.numbersusa.comwww.thesocialcontract.comwww.fairus.orgwww.alipac.u...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
What we need to do is reform our welfare system. Those coming for
that reason will stop.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 7:04 am
From: "C. Massey"
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:9gzGi.34140$RX.22313@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
> They are now charging non-customers $3 to use their ATMs plus whatever
> fee the users bank charges.
>
> One more reason to stay with my credit union. Aside from free access to a
> nationwide network of credit union ATMs ,some of which even accept
> deposits, I can use the machines at most 7-11 stores without paying fees.
>
> Another way to avoid charges is go to a chain store,buy something and get
> cash back.
If your not using the BoA ATM, why are you worried about the fees?
Try going to Las Vegas and using an ATM in a casino and see what the fees
are there!
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 7:06 am
From: "C. Massey"
I have been away from this NG, well, all NG's for awhile. Out of curiosity
come back in here and check to see what's going on and wham, full of spam
and cancelled messages.
Seems to have gone downhill since the first time I came in here years ago.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 8:04 am
From: clams casino
C. Massey wrote:
>I have been away from this NG, well, all NG's for awhile. Out of curiosity
>come back in here and check to see what's going on and wham, full of spam
>and cancelled messages.
>
>Seems to have gone downhill since the first time I came in here years ago.
>
>
>
>
>
One solution is to filter ALL postings via google groups. Its
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 7:05 am
From: "Chloe"
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I had a similar experience at the supermarket deli one time. Having
> decided 1/2 lb. of roast beef was too much and 1/4 was too little,
> I came up on the idea of walking up to the counter and asking for
> 1/3 lb. I got a blank look from the woman behind the counter.
> Noticing they had a digital scale, I volunteered "point three three
> pounds". The blank look continued. I tried "one third of a pound
> is point three three pounds" and STILL the blank look was unchanged.
> I can't recall what I eventually got (maybe 1/4 lb or maybe 1/2 lb),
> but whatever it was, it wasn't 1/3 lb.
I sympathize with your frustration, but the custom of selling food by
quarters of a pound is so long-established that it's not surprising you had
trouble. I'd probably have asked for "between and quarter and half pound."
They'll usually add a little bit to the scale at a time, so you'd likely
have the chance to tell them when to stop.
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 7:57 am
From: lawfour02@gmail.com
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Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 7:58 am
From: "Zepher"
I recently pulled out an old sprouting jar from the closet. In the past, I'd
buy "sprouting" seeds from a health food store. Anybody know if dry beans or
something else that can be bought cheaply from the grocery can be used
successfully?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 18 2007 8:13 am
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
"Zepher" (something@net) writes:
> I recently pulled out an old sprouting jar from the closet. In the past, I'd
> buy "sprouting" seeds from a health food store. Anybody know if dry beans or
> something else that can be bought cheaply from the grocery can be used
> successfully?
>
>
I don't know what the difference might be, but I've sprouted everyday
stuff like soybeans and sunflower seeds. What I recall was that the
"sprouting" seeds seemed to be pretty small seeds, which might mean
they weren't specifically for sprouting but that nobody would have
a use for them other than for sprouting. You obviously do lots
with soybeans, but what would you use radish seeds for other than
growing things?
Michael
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