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TOPIC: Need a new camera
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 11:01 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)
In article <gfmtvl$o4t$1@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>> No offense intended, but you surely need more practice with the camera
>
> You're probably right - I've never messed with most of the settings.
> My current problem is that I'm so far away from the squirrel in
>question that the max optical zoom still has him way, WAY too small in
>the resulting pictures, so I have to engage the digital zoom to even get
>it close to the necessary size.
Proving that necessity is the mother of stupidity I've done telephoto by
shooting through my binoculars. With a POS 3MP P&S camera and cheap but
big 20x80s the shots can pass for ones taken with the native optical
zoom. An adaptor like for a spotting scope would make things easier.
It would be really nice with the camera would do manual focus.
m
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 8:30 am
From: Al Bundy
On Nov 16, 2:01 am, no-s...@sonic.net (Fake ID) wrote:
> In article <gfmtvl$o4...@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
> >> No offense intended, but you surely need more practice with the camera
>
> > You're probably right - I've never messed with most of the settings.
> > My current problem is that I'm so far away from the squirrel in
> >question that the max optical zoom still has him way, WAY too small in
> >the resulting pictures, so I have to engage the digital zoom to even get
> >it close to the necessary size.
>
> Proving that necessity is the mother of stupidity I've done telephoto by
> shooting through my binoculars. With a POS 3MP P&S camera and cheap but
> big 20x80s the shots can pass for ones taken with the native optical
> zoom. An adaptor like for a spotting scope would make things easier.
> It would be really nice with the camera would do manual focus.
>
> m
On the other end, I taped a lens from a pair of eyeglasses to the
front of an HP335 to take close ups. I used Velcro so I could R&R it.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 11:48 am
From: Dan Birchall
none@none.net (OhioGuy) wrote:
> 1) at minimum 8 or 9 MP resolution
> 2) has an actual viewfinder to look through
> 3) 8x to 9x optical zoom or more
> 4) uses 4 AA batteries, not 2
> 5) under $200
As MCF-L's resident 3000-exposures-a-week guy ;) let me just say that
you left off a point:
6) comes with a flying unicorn pony that poops rainbows
In other words, you're asking for a feature set that's something out
of a fairy tale - you can probably get any three of those features
together, but not all five.
I'll get it out of the way: if you're shooting for publication, you
want - or will soon come to want! - better optics and image processing
than a pocket camera is going to give you. You don't have to spend
$5000 on a professional DSLR setup, but $800 ($500 for a body, $300
for a good long zoom lens) is _not_ unreasonable if you seriously want
to take pictures of squirrels from 60-100 feet.
If it weren't for the long-zoom requirement, I, like Bev, would point
to the Canon PowerShot A720IS. I take mine all over the place and
it's great at lower ISO settings. (400+ it does get a bit grainy.)
As it is, I'm going to recommend a camera I don't actually own myself:
Canon PowerShot SX110 IS. I owned another long-zoom Canon all-in-one
years ago, sort of the great-grand-daddy of the SX110, and this has
the specs that are really going to matter to your squirrel - 9mp and
a 10x zoom. It doesn't have an optical viewfinder, and only takes
two AA's... but at a $249 MSRP, and you can probably find it on sale
for closer to $200, maybe even under $200 on Black Friday.
Hope this is of some use.
-Dan (who takes cameras kinda seriously)
--
Screaming in Digital - http://scream.org/ - Queensryche fandom since 1991.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 3:02 pm
From: Ralph
On Nov 15, 10:37 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> BigDog1 wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 4:08 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [Snipped}
> >> Newer is always better :-) but I recently read somewhere that 8
> >> megapixels is just about the useful limit -- anything bigger actually
> >> degrades the image for some forgotten reason.
>
> > Hmmmm - never heard that.
>
> I think what this is referencing is that higher megapixel cameras tend
> to be noisier at the the same ISO, because the individual pixel is
> smaller. Newer sensors, and full frame sensors have ameliorated that.
Yes, you're right. The early high resolution sensors were much
noisier than they are today, but that's been a while.
Though I rarely shoot an ISO higher than 400 (and stay as far below
that as I can), I can go pretty far up the scale before noise becomes
an issue. Usually somewhere between 800 and 1600, and can get almost
to 3200 before it's too bad to deal with.
> About 150 pixels/inch (for a glossy print) seems OK, so your figure
> of 3 megapixels for a 4*6 is about right. As you know there's a lot of
> variables.
You bet! And the biggest one is the lens. Even a moderate quality
lens attached to a "pro-am" quality DSLR will out perform the optics
of the best point and shoot camera out there. You've got to go pretty
far down the quality scale towards the junk end before that's not the
case.
By the way, thanks for the new word! Never saw "ameliorated"
before. :-)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 3:17 am
From: Energy Saver
Driving and Car Maintenance Transportation accounts for 66% of U.S.
oil use -mainly in the form of gasoline. Luckily, there are plenty of
ways to improve gas mileage.
Driving Tips:- Idling gets you 0 miles per gallon. The best way to
warm up a vehicle is to drive it. No more than 30 seconds of idling
on
winter days is needed. Anything more simply wastes fuel and increases
emissions.- Aggressive driving (speeding, rapid acceleration, and
hard
braking) wastes gas. It can lower your highway gas mileage 33% and
city mileage 5%. Drive at lowest and constant rpms; 2000 rpm are
enough; you can save up to 30%. Even a Porsche can be driven at the
4th gear at 20 mph and at the 6th gear at 50 mph with 2.5 times less
fuel consumption.- Avoid high speeds. Driving 75 mph, rather than 65
mph, could cut your fuel economy by 15%.- When you use overdrive
gearing, your cars engine speed goes down. This saves gas and reduces
wear.- Use air conditioning only when necessary.- Clear out your car;
extra weight decreases gas mileage. Each 60 pounds increases fuel
consumption by 10%. - Reduce drag by placing items inside
the car or trunk rather than on roof racks. A roof rack or carrier
provides additional cargo space and may allow you to buy a smaller
car. However, a loaded roof rack can decrease your fuel economy by
5%.- Check into carpooling and public transit to cut mileage and car
maintenance costs.
Car Maintenance Tips:- Use the grade of motor oil recommended by your
cars manufacturer. Using a different motor oil can lower your
gasoline
mileage by 1% to 2%.- Keep tires properly inflated and aligned to
improve your gasoline mileage by around 3.3%.- Get regular engine
tune-
ups and car maintenance checks to avoid fuel economy problems due to
worn spark plugs, dragging brakes, low transmission fluid, or
transmission problems.- Replace clogged air filters to improve gas
mileage by as much as 10% and protect your engine.- Combine errands
into one trip. Several short trips, each one taken from a cold start,
can use twice as much fuel as one trip covering the same distance
when
the engine is warm. Do not forget that in the first mile your car
uses
8 times more fuel, in the second mile 4 times and only after the
fourth mile it becomes normal.Long-Term Savings Tip- Consider buying
a
highly fuel-efficient vehicle. A fuelefficient vehicle, a hybrid
vehicle, or an alternative fuel vehicle could save you a lot at the
gas pump
and help the environment.See the Fuel Economy Guide
(www.fueleconomy.gov) for more on buying a new fuel-efficient car or
truck.
Source:
www.eere.energy.gov and
http://www.vcd.org/155.html
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 8:23 am
From: Al Bundy
Energy Saver wrote:
Thanks for the PSA. Anyone without Alzheimer's can remember these
things.
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TOPIC: washable toilet paper?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 7:42 am
From: godofbullhitmewithahandofwin@gmail.com
anyone tried that? shouldnt be too compicated right? a bit like
washable handkerchiefs exept you need a few more and the washing gets
a bit more messy!?
could save lots of money in the long term, and also be great for your
carbon foot print!
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 8:21 am
From: Al Bundy
On Nov 16, 10:42 am, godofbullhitmewithahandof...@gmail.com wrote:
> anyone tried that? shouldnt be too compicated right? a bit like
> washable handkerchiefs exept you need a few more and the washing gets
> a bit more messy!?
>
> could save lots of money in the long term, and also be great for your
> carbon foot print!
While your post is specious and not even troll worthy, the concept is
used world wide in variations. Could be half the people on earth don't
use toilet paper as we know it. Of course conventional paper is not
reusable, but other things are. I remember a young Arkansas couple in
the 60's who used what they called butt rags for their babies. Adults
could do the same and may be doing the same for all I know. I'm
sticking with what works for me now, but I could survive outdoors if I
had to without paper.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 9:13 am
From: OhioGuy
Grandpa used to have a running joke about finally having a use for
all the corncobs he had laying around after the harvest. I'm not going
to elaborate.
Don't they just use a bidet or something in some parts of the world,
though? No toilet paper, and just use water to wash off? It seems like
something like that could work, if coupled with some sort of industrial
strength (fast) air dryer.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 9:26 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:42:59 -0800 (PST),
godofbullhitmewithahandofwin@gmail.com wrote:
>anyone tried that? shouldnt be too compicated right? a bit like
>washable handkerchiefs exept you need a few more and the washing gets
>a bit more messy!?
>
>could save lots of money in the long term, and also be great for your
>carbon foot print!
try a moslem site [aljazeera?]. they use cloths for wiping and think
that westerners are incredible dirty to only use paper.
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TOPIC: Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a
year
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 8:47 am
From: Jeffrey Laventure
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:27:59 -0800, freeisbest wrote
(in article
<ce2ae528-64e0-4d8a-9b6e-e61d759d875d@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>):
> On Nov 15, 6:51 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>> http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AA...
>>
>> The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
>> terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
>> protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
>> site listed below:
>>
>> http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>
>> Mitch
>
> "Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00
> a year" Nope. Didn't want my money to fund the invasion of another
> country, either. Or be used as the football in games in the Iraq
> desert. Or be given as a present to 'financial institutions' that
> could count using both hands and a calculator. Or....
Then I suggest you vote more conservatives into office. Before you say it,
McCain is a liberal Democrat contrary to his purported political party
affiliation.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 9:10 am
From: clams_casino
Jeffrey Laventure wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:27:59 -0800, freeisbest wrote
>(in article
><ce2ae528-64e0-4d8a-9b6e-e61d759d875d@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
>>On Nov 15, 6:51 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AA...
>>>
>>>The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
>>>terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
>>>protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
>>>site listed below:
>>>
>>>http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>>
>>>Mitch
>>>
>>>
>> "Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00
>>a year" Nope. Didn't want my money to fund the invasion of another
>>country, either. Or be used as the football in games in the Iraq
>>desert. Or be given as a present to 'financial institutions' that
>>could count using both hands and a calculator. Or....
>>
>>
>
>Then I suggest you vote more conservatives into office. Before you say it,
>McCain is a liberal Democrat contrary to his purported political party
>affiliation.
>
>
>
>
I'm not sure that will work. Regan and the two Bushes were the ones
who rang up most all the government debt -
http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/TheNationalDebt.html
In recent years, conservatives have primarily borrowed to enrich
themselves - essentially borrowing from the masses to enrich the wealthy.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 10:27 am
From: "h"
"Jeffrey Laventure" <thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C5458EB20002619CB01AD9AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:27:59 -0800, freeisbest wrote
> (in article
> <ce2ae528-64e0-4d8a-9b6e-e61d759d875d@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Nov 15, 6:51 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>>> http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AA...
>>>
>>> The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
>>> terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
>>> protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
>>> site listed below:
>>>
>>> http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>
>> "Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00
>> a year" Nope. Didn't want my money to fund the invasion of another
>> country, either. Or be used as the football in games in the Iraq
>> desert. Or be given as a present to 'financial institutions' that
>> could count using both hands and a calculator. Or....
>
> Then I suggest you vote more conservatives into office. Before you say
> it,
> McCain is a liberal Democrat contrary to his purported political party
> affiliation.
>
Right. Like the conservative in power right now. Yeah, who do you think
caused this mess?
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 10:19 am
From: "zzbunker@netscape.net"
On Nov 15, 6:51 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924073107AA...
>
> The write your folks in Congress and oppose the "bailout" of
> terminally-ill General Motors. The correct path is for GM to file for
> protectiong under Chapter 11 and hopefully reorganize. Contact via
> site listed below:
Well, the idiots in Congress are just as much a brick wall with
communications as GM itself with Forklifts. So the people with
ComputerEngineering/Science.Robot/Medicine brains, invented
Elbraries, CD+rw, DVD->, HDTV[],
On-Line-Publishing, AAVs, AUVs, XML, All-In-One printers, Post AT&T
Optics,
and USB, rather than worring about what ANY Detroit Druids do fo' a
living,
>
> http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> Mitch
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 11:17 am
From: George Grapman
Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
figure salaries who made bad decisions.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 2:16 pm
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net
In <ll_Tk.6665$x%.4843@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 11/16/2008
at 11:17 AM, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:
> Interesting that the poster made no mention of executives with seven
>figure salaries who made bad decisions.
Nor did they bring up civil servants that earn that much with overtime.
Seems they are only pissed at union boys.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 9:12 am
From: phil scott
On Nov 15, 9:53 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 6:47 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> The Real Bev wrote:
> >>> George Grapman wrote:
> >>>> The Real Bev wrote:
> >>>>> DanG wrote:
> >>>>>> It is really sad you feel this way. YOU broke the law. YOU are not
> >>>>>> carrying your fair share of the taxes everyone else pays (I see
> >>>>>> license plate fees as a type of tax). And yet, you feel you have
> >>>>>> the right to do it wrong and threaten damage and destruction in
> >>>>>> retribution.
> >>>>> Look at it another way: Who among us ever voted to install parking
> >>>>> meters or limit parking? I'd like to get rid of the 2-hour limit in
> >>>>> front of my house; there's no reason for anybody but us residents to
> >>>>> park there, and it's a monumental nuisance to us.
> >>>>> I suppose I could get up a petition, of course...
> >>>> In some areas of San Francisco residents of certain areas that have
> >>>> such limits can get stickers that exempt them.
> >>> They cost money and are for visitors only on a $$/night basis. Screw
> >>> 'em. Our city officials are as corrupt as they come; why else would
> >>> they put decorative paving in crosswalks in the center of town and leave
> >>> the rest of us with heaved sidewalks (some have 6" differences between
> >>> adjacent squares) and potholes.
> >>>> One problem is that as new areas get them adjacent areas with no
> >>>> restrictions become harder to park in.
> >>>> Some of the restricted areas are near BART station and other areas
> >>>> with with decent public transit downtown to prevent commuters from
> >>>> parking all day.
> >>> Yeah. The limit was established when there were serious businesses
> >>> across the street and it was easier for their visitors to park on the
> >>> street than in the parking lot. Move 30 years later and the serious
> >>> businesses have become a mall with convenient parking, so nobody parks
> >>> in front of our houses any more -- none of the stores open onto my
> >>> street. But the parking limit is still there.
> >>> I really need to think about that petition.
> >> I got angry last year when I got two parking tickets. One was in a
> >> two hour zone. I had parked there for about 90 minutes,left the city
> >> for a few hours,returned ,parked a block away and got a ticket saying my
> >> card had been parked there several hours early. Neither the people who
> >> write the tickets nor the Department of Parking and Transportation could
> >> tell me how long one has to leave the area or how far away they have to
> >> be when they return
>
> >> The other time I returned to my car at a metered space and a truck
> >> was double parked. I went fond the driver and could not locate him. I
> >> returned a few minutes later and I was nailed for an expired meter but
> >> the truck was not tagged.
>
> >> Both times I filed written protests which were denied and passed on
> >> wasting hours at a hearing (you have to pay the fine before getting a
> >> date and the agency that writes the tickets holds the hearings).
>
> >> I do notice that both times I wrote an appeal letters came back
> >> telling me that dues to a backlog it would be 3 to 4 months before I got
> >> a hearing and in the interim the ticket would be held in abeyance. Since
> >> the city has declared war or parkers I have returned the favor. One each
> >> of the three tickets since then I have written an appeal as the choice
> >> is pay $50 now or pay $50.41 in three or four months.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > i and others avoid the city;;; so now when any building there needs
> > construction work they
> > get few bids, high bids...
>
> > I do my businesa where I dont get screwed... the city is now in dire
> > financial straights, business is off, tax base is in collapse; I
> > told em if they dont want to go broke they better quit screwing the
> > people who do business there
>
> > its not rocket science
>
> > Phil scott
>
> As I am sure you know tickets just went up. That means more shoppers
> getting dinged and heading for a mall next time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
'dinged'? dinged you say? $50 is way more than some peoples
entire disposable income for a year. .. the same people cutting thier
pills in half, or going without dinner... all so the meter maids
can get 48k a year, and police can retire at more than a working
physician earns. ($150 to 200k a year... and rising fast believe it
or not)
Total outrage will ensue of course, but not until its too late.
Phil scott
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 11:16 am
From: George Grapman
phil scott wrote:
> On Nov 15, 9:53 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> phil scott wrote:
>>> On Nov 15, 6:47 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> DanG wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is really sad you feel this way. YOU broke the law. YOU are not
>>>>>>>> carrying your fair share of the taxes everyone else pays (I see
>>>>>>>> license plate fees as a type of tax). And yet, you feel you have
>>>>>>>> the right to do it wrong and threaten damage and destruction in
>>>>>>>> retribution.
>>>>>>> Look at it another way: Who among us ever voted to install parking
>>>>>>> meters or limit parking? I'd like to get rid of the 2-hour limit in
>>>>>>> front of my house; there's no reason for anybody but us residents to
>>>>>>> park there, and it's a monumental nuisance to us.
>>>>>>> I suppose I could get up a petition, of course...
>>>>>> In some areas of San Francisco residents of certain areas that have
>>>>>> such limits can get stickers that exempt them.
>>>>> They cost money and are for visitors only on a $$/night basis. Screw
>>>>> 'em. Our city officials are as corrupt as they come; why else would
>>>>> they put decorative paving in crosswalks in the center of town and leave
>>>>> the rest of us with heaved sidewalks (some have 6" differences between
>>>>> adjacent squares) and potholes.
>>>>>> One problem is that as new areas get them adjacent areas with no
>>>>>> restrictions become harder to park in.
>>>>>> Some of the restricted areas are near BART station and other areas
>>>>>> with with decent public transit downtown to prevent commuters from
>>>>>> parking all day.
>>>>> Yeah. The limit was established when there were serious businesses
>>>>> across the street and it was easier for their visitors to park on the
>>>>> street than in the parking lot. Move 30 years later and the serious
>>>>> businesses have become a mall with convenient parking, so nobody parks
>>>>> in front of our houses any more -- none of the stores open onto my
>>>>> street. But the parking limit is still there.
>>>>> I really need to think about that petition.
>>>> I got angry last year when I got two parking tickets. One was in a
>>>> two hour zone. I had parked there for about 90 minutes,left the city
>>>> for a few hours,returned ,parked a block away and got a ticket saying my
>>>> card had been parked there several hours early. Neither the people who
>>>> write the tickets nor the Department of Parking and Transportation could
>>>> tell me how long one has to leave the area or how far away they have to
>>>> be when they return
>>>> The other time I returned to my car at a metered space and a truck
>>>> was double parked. I went fond the driver and could not locate him. I
>>>> returned a few minutes later and I was nailed for an expired meter but
>>>> the truck was not tagged.
>>>> Both times I filed written protests which were denied and passed on
>>>> wasting hours at a hearing (you have to pay the fine before getting a
>>>> date and the agency that writes the tickets holds the hearings).
>>>> I do notice that both times I wrote an appeal letters came back
>>>> telling me that dues to a backlog it would be 3 to 4 months before I got
>>>> a hearing and in the interim the ticket would be held in abeyance. Since
>>>> the city has declared war or parkers I have returned the favor. One each
>>>> of the three tickets since then I have written an appeal as the choice
>>>> is pay $50 now or pay $50.41 in three or four months.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> i and others avoid the city;;; so now when any building there needs
>>> construction work they
>>> get few bids, high bids...
>>> I do my businesa where I dont get screwed... the city is now in dire
>>> financial straights, business is off, tax base is in collapse; I
>>> told em if they dont want to go broke they better quit screwing the
>>> people who do business there
>>> its not rocket science
>>> Phil scott
>> As I am sure you know tickets just went up. That means more shoppers
>> getting dinged and heading for a mall next time.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> 'dinged'? dinged you say? $50 is way more than some peoples
> entire disposable income for a year. .. the same people cutting thier
> pills in half, or going without dinner... all so the meter maids
> can get 48k a year, and police can retire at more than a working
> physician earns. ($150 to 200k a year... and rising fast believe it
> or not)
>
>
> Total outrage will ensue of course, but not until its too late.
>
>
> Phil scott
One thing has improved in SF. At one time if there was street cleaning
between,say, between 7 a.m. and 10 a.m. they would write tickets before
the cleaning and then return an hour or so later and write more tickets
proving it was revenue and not a cleaning program.
They no longer do this and if you find a street cleaner and get
behind it you can park.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 9:18 am
From: Ken
OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote in news:gfmtia$mtm$1@aioe.org:
> I've got several virtual debit cards that have exactly $2 each left
> on them. They all expire at the end of the month. I printed them out
> for reference, and was going to chuck them in the trash, but stopped
> myself. I hate feeling like I'm throwing 8 dollar bills in the trash.
>
> I've never been in this situation before, so I thought I'd ask what
> you fellows do?
>
> Should I just chuck them? Anything useful to be had online for $2
> or
> less? (can't imagine it, but hey, I've been wrong before)
>
> Thanks!
Buy some postage stamps somewhere?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 11:20 am
From: Dan Birchall
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com (Rod Speed) wrote:
> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> > Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >>> The phone companies like to charge more for touch tone service
> >>> when it actually saves them money over accepting a pulse.
> >>
> >> No it doesnt.
>
> > DTMF code is handled more efficiently partly due
> > less need for a buffer between pulsed numbers.
>
> And that difference doesnt save them a cent.
>
> > The result is a faster call with less line time overall.
>
> And that difference doesnt save them a cent.
>
> > It adds up over millions of calls.
>
> No it doesnt when the difference doesnt even save them a thousandth
> of a cent.
Out of curiosity... I don't see anyone disputing that they like to
charge for touch-tone service. And even if it doesn't _save_ them
anything, it certainly doesn't appear to _cost_ them anything?
--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 3:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Dan Birchall <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote
> rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com (Rod Speed) wrote
>> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
>>>>> The phone companies like to charge more for touch tone service
>>>>> when it actually saves them money over accepting a pulse.
>>>> No it doesnt.
>>> DTMF code is handled more efficiently partly due
>>> less need for a buffer between pulsed numbers.
>> And that difference doesnt save them a cent.
>>> The result is a faster call with less line time overall.
>> And that difference doesnt save them a cent.
>>> It adds up over millions of calls.
>> No it doesnt when the difference doesnt even save them a thousandth of a cent.
> Out of curiosity... I don't see anyone disputing that they like to charge for touch-tone service.
Didnt dispute that they do.
> And even if it doesn't _save_ them anything, it certainly doesn't appear to _cost_ them anything?
Irrelevant to what I disputed.
And some dont charge extra for touch tone dialing anyway.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 11:24 am
From: Dan Birchall
I read it twice. I still can't figure out what it's got to do with
frugality. Is disconnecting traffic signals frugal because it saves
on electricity?
Or did the original poster aim for misc.consumers and miss?
Baffled...
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