Frugal Living: Mar 7, 2011

Monday, March 7, 2011

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 2:22 am
From: Harry Brogan

On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:12:13 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mar 6, 5:13�pm, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 8:54�am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
>> Stop the Bullshit Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 6, 7:50�am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 17:20:55 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
>> > > TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign"
>>
>> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >Reading from Afghanistan it sounds like the daily struggle for
>> > > >survival among cyclists:
>>
>> > > >"It's a day-by-day thing and you don't know if you're going to be the
>> > > >guy to get hit the next day, so you just keep on pushing"
>>
>> > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110305/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan_combat...
>>
>> > > >I think we are all affected by it to degree or another, knowing that
>> > > >no medals will be awarded. And that's what bugs me: no medals or
>> > > >severance pay forthcoming.
>>
>> > > >Well, they say, "A man gotta do what a man gotta do!"
>>
>> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>> > > I'm sorry, but I am NOT going to compare my day-to-day battle with our
>> > > men and women in uniform.
>>
>> > > And for YOU to do so is, quite simply, ludicrous.
>>
>> > We shouldn't. We know what we are fighting for and are fighting
>> > injustice as well.
>>
>> > Actually it could be claimed that nonviolence (riding a bike) is
>> > superior to violence.
>>
>> Well, I'm a vet, and I do have PTSD from my riding and my wreck.
>> Riding a bike is a lot like combat after you have been hit, from my
>> point of view.
>
>Thanks! I think you feel a lot of frustration and anger in both cases.
>Perhaps this is aggravated when your effort is not appreciated.

I too did my time in service. As did my dad, and HIS dad. Together
that includes WW1, Korea and Vietnam.

I will not agree with you, veteran or not, that riding a bike is
ANYWHERE close to being in a combat situation.

Can you have a FORM of ptsd from a bike accident? I will agree with
that.

But, again, I am NOT going to make an attempt at comparing ANY of my
riding experiences to our men and women who are placing their lives on
the line.

And, I too, have been hit by a vehicle while riding. And it's NOTHING
like being in combat.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 5:56 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Mar 7, 5:22 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:12:13 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 6, 5:13 pm, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 6, 8:54 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
> >> Stop the Bullshit Campaign" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Mar 6, 7:50 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 17:20:55 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> >> > > TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign"
>
> >> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > >Reading from Afghanistan it sounds like the daily struggle for
> >> > > >survival among cyclists:
>
> >> > > >"It's a day-by-day thing and you don't know if you're going to be the
> >> > > >guy to get hit the next day, so you just keep on pushing"
>
> >> > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110305/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan_combat...
>
> >> > > >I think we are all affected by it to degree or another, knowing that
> >> > > >no medals will be awarded. And that's what bugs me: no medals or
> >> > > >severance pay forthcoming.
>
> >> > > >Well, they say, "A man gotta do what a man gotta do!"
>
> >> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >> > > I'm sorry, but I am NOT going to compare my day-to-day battle with our
> >> > > men and women in uniform.
>
> >> > > And for YOU to do so is, quite simply, ludicrous.
>
> >> > We shouldn't. We know what we are fighting for and are fighting
> >> > injustice as well.
>
> >> > Actually it could be claimed that nonviolence (riding a bike) is
> >> > superior to violence.
>
> >> Well, I'm a vet, and I do have PTSD from my riding and my wreck.
> >> Riding a bike is a lot like combat after you have been hit, from my
> >> point of view.
>
> >Thanks! I think you feel a lot of frustration and anger in both cases.
> >Perhaps this is aggravated when your effort is not appreciated.
>
> I too did my time in service. As did my dad, and HIS dad. Together
> that includes WW1, Korea and Vietnam.
>
> I will not agree with you, veteran or not, that riding a bike is
> ANYWHERE close to being in a combat situation.
>
> Can you have a FORM of ptsd from a bike accident? I will agree with
> that.
>
> But, again, I am NOT going to make an attempt at comparing ANY of my
> riding experiences to our men and women who are placing their lives on
> the line.
>
> And, I too, have been hit by a vehicle while riding. And it's NOTHING
> like being in combat.

One is treated like a stray dog and often abandoned to bleed after
being hit, the other has a team looking for him and enjoys prompt
medical care after getting hit, which often makes a difference between
life and death. Guess who gets what.

Try watching this (this ain't the reality you get to see on American
media)...

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2011/02/201121673217263109.html

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:18 am
From: Opus

On Mar 7, 4:22 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
>snip<
> >> Well, I'm a vet, and I do have PTSD from my riding and my wreck.
> >> Riding a bike is a lot like combat after you have been hit, from my
> >> point of view.
>
> >Thanks! I think you feel a lot of frustration and anger in both cases.
> >Perhaps this is aggravated when your effort is not appreciated.
>
> I too did my time in service. As did my dad, and HIS dad. Together
> that includes WW1, Korea and Vietnam.
>
> I will not agree with you, veteran or not, that riding a bike is
> ANYWHERE close to being in a combat situation.
>
> Can you have a FORM of ptsd from a bike accident? I will agree with
> that.
>
> But, again, I am NOT going to make an attempt at comparing ANY of my
> riding experiences to our men and women who are placing their lives on
> the line.
>
> And, I too, have been hit by a vehicle while riding. And it's NOTHING
> like being in combat.

PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 9:24 am
From: Judith

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthepoet@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.

Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
to this aggression you seem to attract.

Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors".
(Daily Mail)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1215131/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Lycra-louts-drive-crazy.html

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 12:44 pm
From: JNugent

On 07/03/2011 15:18, Opus wrote:

> PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
> don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
> weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
> "just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
> get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
> patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
> live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
> drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
> patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
> enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.

Welcome to the club.

You will find many here who are equally unhappy with the lack of enforcement
of the rules of the road, eg, cycling along along footways, failure to stop
at red traffic lights and progressing the wrong way along a one way street.
And travelling at night without lights.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 3:52 pm
From: Peter Keller

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:24:51 +0000, Judith wrote:

>
> Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors". (Daily
> Mail)
>
They make fucking awful donors.
>

--
67.4% of statistics are made up.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 5:43 pm
From: Harry Brogan

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:24:51 +0000, Judith <jmsmith2011@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthepoet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>>don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>>weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>>"just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>>get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>>patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>>live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>>drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>>patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>>enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
>
>
>Most odd - I wonder if the way that you ride and your consideration for other road users contributes
>to this aggression you seem to attract.
>
>--
>
>Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors".
>(Daily Mail)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1215131/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Lycra-louts-drive-crazy.html
>

I too have to wonder if someone's attitude is a contributing factor.
I don't believe that I have ever had a vehicle purposely "target" me.
That would, after all, constitute attempted murder and whoever is the
"target" should have surely called the police.

Perhaps a new avocation for recreation for this person is in order.

To claim PTSD because of ones OWN lack of respect for other drivers is
asking a bit much. And to place ANY sort of riding experiences into
the same realm of military combat is, again, ludicrous.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 8:56 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 3/7/2011 2:44 PM, JNugent wrote:
> On 07/03/2011 15:18, Opus wrote:
>
>> PTSD doesn't come in flavors, it is or it isn't, you have it or you
>> don't. And I wasn't just hit by a vehicle, someone used a vehicle as a
>> weapon against me at high speed on a suburban street. Actually I have
>> "just" been hit by(with) a vehicle many, many times as people try to
>> get me off "their" roads. For me riding my bike is a lot like combat
>> patrols where the rules of engagement prohibit me from carrying any
>> live ammo, because I cannot engage my enemy on equal terms when they
>> drive a car and I'm riding a bicycle. I didn't like going on a combat
>> patrol with empty magazines, and I'm not happy with the state of law
>> enforcement in the town I live in at the moment.
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
> You will find many here who are equally unhappy with the lack of
> enforcement of the rules of the road, eg, cycling along along footways,
> failure to stop at red traffic lights and progressing the wrong way
> along a one way street. And travelling at night without lights.
>

Compare and contrast: Number of cyclists and pedestrians killed by
motorists operating illegally versus the number of motorists killed by
cyclists and pedestrians operating illegally.

--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 6:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Mar 6, 8:51 pm, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> > So what have you accomplished in 18 years and thousands of
> > people taking to the streets?
>
> =v= A revisioning of public space that has caught on all over
> the world and made its way into urban planning and municipal
> governance. In the places where Critical Mass has blossomed
> the most, we now have a tenfold increase in bicycling.

Really? Not here in Miami. Most major roads remain "no man's land,"
and the program coming to Miami Beach similar to Velib has nothing to
do with CM as far as I know. Actually the roads will still remain no-
man's land after the program.

>
> =v= What have you accomplished with a lifetime of incoherent
> babble while attempting to peddle T-shirts from the sidewalk?
> <_Jym_>

That's a complex and hypothetical question. I could answer
tangentially what has Jesus accomplished in 2000 years? Well, that
would be a low blow. ;)

I'd say I have put in place a political program of any these
revolutions happening now to get ideas from, most importantly how to
deal with transportation, emphasizing BICYCLES and PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION.

And even if it doesn't happen, by MAKING NOISE we can change our
community, which is the FRONTLINE for many of us.

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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 6:41 am
From: sukanya

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:16 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

(I posted this at the local forum. I wonder if they don't censor it.
The moderator kind of likes me since he's a cyclist and has been hit
himself, so we'll see. Notice, the tours may be expanded into your
city too!)

Well, the Bicycle Program seems to finally be coming this April 15th.
Great, at least there will be "safety in numbers," a survival strategy
practiced by many species in the Kalahari desert. The alligators and
other beasts just sit there waiting for the herd to come...

To be honest, our roads don't have any sign of being tamed by bike
facilities nor do the beasts seem to be under control of any sort. I'm
still grinding and walking bicycles and shamefully bumping pedestrians
along the way. (I even say sorry.)

I dare to propose a Safari Tour for Europeans for those of you who
like "life on the wild side," at least for a short while. Yes, at the
end of the trip, you will have the satisfaction of having survived
among the beasts --if you survive. The beasts will be real and
untamed. If they are drugged it's because they took it on their own.
This a REALITY SHOW.

We will be launching from the causeway (Channel 7 to be exact) to
secure TV coverage from a station known to be where the mayhem is, and
then proceed to Indian Creek (around 65 ST), the MOST DANGEROUS PLACE
ON EARTH FOR A BIKE. When we get to South Beach where we know things
are fairly safe and then we can relax a little before we head back. We
may take a plunge in the ocean as well looking for the sharks. No, not
many.

Hey, we may decide to go to the Nudist Beach over that deadly bridge
at Haulover and finally decide that it's better to ride a beach
cruiser on the sand. Of all the bikes I have I can only enjoy the
beach cruiser. But you are looking for excitement, right?

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TOPIC: OT: OBDII software and Ready State Monitor
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:19 am
From: Jeff Thies

I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.

http://www.obdpros.com/product_info.php?products_id=138

I like it but the software does display which ready state monitors
are not set. What kind of software does it take to display that? I
would have thought that was readily and widely available but I can't
tell without installing the programs. So far, frustration. And junk
software.

Something in the low dollar range is preferable. Fancy dials not needed.

Jeff

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:35 am
From: JIMMIE

On Mar 7, 10:19 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>
> http://www.obdpros.com/product_info.php?products_id=138
>
> I like it but the software does display which ready state monitors
> are not set. What kind of software does it take to display that? I
> would have thought that was readily and widely available but I can't
> tell without installing the programs. So far, frustration. And junk
> software.
>
> Something in the low dollar range is preferable. Fancy dials not needed.
>
> Jeff

Look around for different software. Those devices are mostly just
converters that match the voltage level at the OBDII connector to the
PC.lots of free software out there.

Jimmie

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:37 am
From: JIMMIE

On Mar 7, 10:35 am, JIMMIE <JIMMIEDEE...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 10:19 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>
> >http://www.obdpros.com/product_info.php?products_id=138
>
> > I like it but the software does display which ready state monitors
> > are not set. What kind of software does it take to display that? I
> > would have thought that was readily and widely available but I can't
> > tell without installing the programs. So far, frustration. And junk
> > software.
>
> > Something in the low dollar range is preferable. Fancy dials not needed.
>
> > Jeff
>
> Look around for different software. Those devices are mostly just
> converters that match the voltage level at the OBDII connector to the
> PC.lots of free software out there.
>
> Jimmie

Try some of the automotive groups preferably one that matches your
car. Let them know what you are trying to do. Lots of help on tweaking
a computer available.

Jimmie

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 9:12 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 3/7/2011 10:37 AM, JIMMIE wrote:
> On Mar 7, 10:35 am, JIMMIE<JIMMIEDEE...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>> On Mar 7, 10:19 am, Jeff Thies<jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>>
>>> http://www.obdpros.com/product_info.php?products_id=138
>>
>>> I like it but the software does display which ready state monitors
>>> are not set. What kind of software does it take to display that? I
>>> would have thought that was readily and widely available but I can't
>>> tell without installing the programs. So far, frustration. And junk
>>> software.
>>
>>> Something in the low dollar range is preferable. Fancy dials not needed.
>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Look around for different software. Those devices are mostly just
>> converters that match the voltage level at the OBDII connector to the
>> PC.lots of free software out there.

Oh, I'm tired of that!

It looks like I can telnet in on the serial port of the adaptor and
query the ready state. That is good enough for me.

Jeff

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 12:28 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

>I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.

curious why you bought that instead of a scangauage?

http://www.scangauge.com/

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 1:06 pm
From: notbob

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.home.repair.]
On 2011-03-07, me@privacy.net <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>
>>I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>
> curious why you bought that instead of a scangauage?
>
> http://www.scangauge.com/

Perhaps he already has a computer. Does a scangauge have the ability
to see/delete black box info, like in ABS systems? Jes curious.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 2:02 pm
From: Jeff Thies

On 3/7/2011 3:28 PM, me@privacy.net wrote:
> Jeff Thies<jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>
> curious why you bought that instead of a scangauage?
>
> http://www.scangauge.com/

Several reasons.

1) $169 versus $49

2) The OBD Pro can work with data logging software. It can also read the
lamda/HEGO/O2 sensors so you can see actual data and the scangauge
apparently doesn't. Seeing that data is how I knew I had a wiring problem.

3) You can telnet directly into the engine computer with a laptop and
run/receive any data it is capable of.

4) I forgot all about scangauge...

Jeff

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 6:47 pm
From: "trader4@optonline.net"

On Mar 7, 5:02 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> On 3/7/2011 3:28 PM, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
> > Jeff Thies<jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>
> > curious why you bought that instead of a scangauage?
>
> >http://www.scangauge.com/
>
> Several reasons.
>
> 1) $169 versus $49
>
> 2) The OBD Pro can work with data logging software. It can also read the
> lamda/HEGO/O2 sensors so you can see actual data and the scangauge
> apparently doesn't. Seeing that data is how I knew I had a wiring problem.
>
> 3) You can telnet directly into the engine computer with a laptop and
> run/receive any data it is capable of.
>
> 4) I forgot all about scangauge...
>
> Jeff

But on the other hand, my handheld code reader shows all the monitors
required to pass inspection and whether they are set. It's quite
amazing
a PC based solution doesn't show that basic info.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:06 pm
From: Jeff Thies

On 3/7/2011 9:47 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
> On Mar 7, 5:02 pm, Jeff Thies<jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>> On 3/7/2011 3:28 PM, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Thies<jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> I posted a while back about OBDII to USB adaptors and have acquired one.
>>
>>> curious why you bought that instead of a scangauage?
>>
>>> http://www.scangauge.com/
>>
>> Several reasons.
>>
>> 1) $169 versus $49
>>
>> 2) The OBD Pro can work with data logging software. It can also read the
>> lamda/HEGO/O2 sensors so you can see actual data and the scangauge
>> apparently doesn't. Seeing that data is how I knew I had a wiring problem.
>>
>> 3) You can telnet directly into the engine computer with a laptop and
>> run/receive any data it is capable of.
>>
>> 4) I forgot all about scangauge...
>>
>> Jeff
>
> But on the other hand, my handheld code reader shows all the monitors
> required to pass inspection and whether they are set. It's quite
> amazing
> a PC based solution doesn't show that basic info.

I was surprised too, but it's free software. I can telnet in and get
them though. I still like looking at the live engine data and being able
to log.

Jeff

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 1:01 pm
From: bachelor

I admit it I am a lousy housekeeper.

As a result I have an extremely dirty linoleum floor.

I decided to clean it. Any recommendations on the best frugal cleaning
solution and type of inexpensive mop to use for this?

Also need any tips for cleaning porcelain commode and countertops.

Thanks.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 5:03 pm
From: "Lou"

"bachelor" <bachelor@badhousekeeper.org> wrote in message
news:il3h2c$vsj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> I admit it I am a lousy housekeeper.
>
> As a result I have an extremely dirty linoleum floor.
>
> I decided to clean it. Any recommendations on the best frugal cleaning
> solution and type of inexpensive mop to use for this?
>
> Also need any tips for cleaning porcelain commode and countertops.
>
By far the easiest thing to do is to clean as you go - if you drop or spill
something, stop and wipe it up right then and there before doing anything
else. Since you apparently haven't done that, you're in for a chore - there
are no magic cleaning products or mops that will do the job for you.

The phrase "extremely dirty" conjures up all kinds of pictures, anywhere
from a few spills/sticky spots to
the-only-thing-that'll-work-is-tear-it-up-and-replace. My bet is that
you're going to have to get down on the floor and scrub it. Use a stiff-ish
brush or pieces of cloth (known as rags). Water. There are all kinds of
cleaning products out there. It's hard to beat ammonia, but use that only
if you have good ventilation. NEVER mix ammonia with a chlorine-containing
product, the combination can give off mustard gas with possibly fatal
results.

Other possibilities are things like Spic 'n Span, Lestoil, Mr. Clean - walk
down the aisle in the supermarket, the possibilities are all but endless. A
cheap bottle of something might look like a good deal, but if it doesn't do
the job it's money wasted. Mix according to the bottle/package directions,
scrub, and rinse well. Wear rubber gloves - some of these things can peel
the skin right off your hands as though the skin was a pair of gloves.

Once the floor is clean, get a broom, a dustpan, and a mop. Anything from a
Swiffer to an old fashioned sponge mop. A few minutes a week, unless you
have an enormous floor, is all it should take, if you sweep or wipe up
messes when they happen along the way.

For counter tops, I use Windex, but any spray cleaner that doesn't generate
a lot of suds should do. I spray the counter tops and wipe up with a rag (I
bought a package of a dozen cloth diapers a few years ago, haven't gone
through the package yet). Takes maybe two minutes a day. Works on cabinet
doors and stovetops too.

For the commode, again there are all kinds of products out there. Nothing
works better than something strong and sudsy, applied with a sponge and your
hands (again, while wearing rubber gloves). In most homes, the kitchen sink
is more germ-laden than the bathroom toilet (well, provided you flush after
each use), so the "ick" factor is mostly psychological. Once it's clean, a
weekly swish with a toilet brush and any of a number of products from the
supermarket will keep it that way.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 10:24 pm
From: AndyS

On Mar 5, 8:56 pm, marco polo <markph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> since I really haven't done any research,
> this idea of mine may have been thought of long ago...
>
> It's fairly simple, I think -- 2 water tank flush modes:
> one for poop, and one for urine only.
> I think urine can get by with much less water,
> whereas poop needs a certain minimum.
>
> I think this would save a lot of water over the long haul.
> Now incorporating this into toilets is another thing.
> The idea came from my father, years ago,
> who never flushed if it was just pee, only poop.
>
> marc

Andy suggests:
Here's an idea that will save even more water, and you
can use your existing toilet:

Pee in the back yard ---- crap in the indoor toilet.....

....of course, if you live in an apartment, you will need to
be on an upper floor....

Andy in Eureka, Texas

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 10:38 pm
From: unimportantpatient

We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials here by Tucson
University of Arizona President Shelton extolling what
a great Hospital their University Medical Center is and
how great their doctors are.

I guess one sign of how great they are is my emailing about 5
surgeons/professors at the General Surgery Dept. of University Medical
Center in Tucson, not a ONE answered. They paste their email addresses
on their web site disingenuously and when someone
emails them they ignore the emails. I assume a surgeon
is smart enough to be able to tell the difference between spam
and legitimate email when the subject is quite clear and obviously
not spam.

In one case, I did get an answer from a SECRETARY. It seems
the Chief of Surgery's email address is really this
SECRETARY, rather dishonest imo to have an email address in
your name when a non-physician lay person is really behind
the email. She refused directly to give him my sent to HIS
name until it had passed her LAY opinion/worthiness test.
I guess they must get ALOT of complaints about doctors because she
automatically assumed I was writing about a complaint. Turns out
as the result of this surgeon closed door policy that UMC has lost
approx $15K. Doesn't really pay to stiff people until you know what
they are trying to tell you.

What a crock. If you don't answer your email don't
paste an email contact address on your website. And don't falsely and
dishonestly claim your email address in your name when it is being
answered by another person entirely, not even a doctor
in this case.

Shelton can keep screaming on late night TV about how
great University Medical Center is, because he will NEED to do
this to negate the reality of the situation.(One of the things I have
learned from "Looking Out for Number One" is that the louder they
proclaim what they are, you can pretty much assume the exact opposite is
true.)

Until recently UMC was so short of surgeons it was a dangerous
place to even go to for emergency surgery as reported by the Arizona
Daily Star. And with the addition of more surgeons I am not so sure it is
still safe. In reading the papers here, I notice how many emergency
patients that should have survived die after being brought to UMC
hospital compared to other cities I have lived in. Very common to see
deaths from auto accidents here even when they arrive at the hospital in
the first critical hour.

My personal experience with having seen a specialist at University
Medical Center in Tucson is that they are all screwed up. This
specialist was rude, did not follow-up on test
results and made several quite incompetent orders, which I caught (lucky
for me-I would be alot sicker now if I had not). Also they have this
strange policy when you make an appointment with one doctor they send
some OTHER doctor/trainee to see you. This is
WITHOUT telling you they are going to do this in advance. So you spend
your time thinking you will be seen by the physician you selected, only
to be seen by someone else you don't know from Adam. They don't tell you
this in advance so it's a bait and switch operation. In this case the
original doctor was rather incompetent so it did not matter, I never saw
him again. I can see now why Shelton has to go on TV alot to proclaim
what a great facility UMC is and what great doctors they have there.
I guess if you tell a big lie often enough people will start to believe
it-least the people in Tucson, not known for the creme de la creme of
intellectual towns.

Considering how poor the USA medical system is, I cannot say
I am suprised by any of this. This sad state of USA medical care was all
exposed of course in the Michael Moore film Sicko. What I would give to
be a citizen of Western Europe where at least one is not bankrupted by
poor care as in the USA.

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