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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 12:41 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
Rod Speed wrote:
>>> And childbearing is not a privilege; it's a fact of life that I
>>> don't believe the government has any right to make illegal.
>
> Thats arguable with those with major genetic problems.
>
>>> Discourage it by removing tax benefits; sure. But not make it illegal.
>
> Its the only approach that worked in china.
I don't believe that childbearing is something that the government
should have the power to prevent. Discourage, perhaps. But not
prevent. That is a horrendous violation of personal liberty. And if
women want to be free to terminate pregnancies, they should also be free
to choose to become pregnant and to carry them to term. Doesn't mean
the government should subsidize them, just that the government should
not make it illegal.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 12:47 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Simply bearing a child is not guarantee of reproductive success, as
> many
> Third World mothers discover.
>
> Reproductive success is the privilege of the strong, the swift, and
> the
> intelligent. And those whose efforts are taxpayer-subsidized.
Okay, we are talking about different things. I am talking about whether
it is a reasonable thing for the government to dictate to people how
many children they can have. I do not feel it is reasonable, because it
is a gross violation of personal civil liberties and a two-faced comment
on reproductive freedom -- a totally consistent approach on reproductive
freedom being that that you might not ever want to have an abortion or
have more than two children -- the two sides of the reproductive freedom
coin -- but you should respect the choice of someone else who chooses to
either have an abortion or have more than two children. As far as some
people here, what's good for the goose (abortion proponents) is not
what's good for the gander (those who wish to have more than two
children).
It's a more libertarian stance, I suppose, but of course, I suppose
there are libertarians (of which I am not one, I don't think) who are
hypocritical when it comes to this issue.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 1:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Samantha Hill <samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> And childbearing is not a privilege; it's a fact of life that I
>>>> don't believe the government has any right to make illegal.
>> Thats arguable with those with major genetic problems.
>>>> Discourage it by removing tax benefits; sure. But not make it illegal.
>> Its the only approach that worked in china.
> I don't believe that childbearing is something that the government
> should have the power to prevent. Discourage, perhaps. But not
> prevent. That is a horrendous violation of personal liberty.
On the other hand, complete personal liberty on procreation
is what completely destroys so many third world economys.
Particularly when arseholes like the roman catholic church and the moslems go out
of their way to enourage the stupid to have as many brats as is physically possible.
> And if women want to be free to terminate pregnancies, they should also be free to choose to become pregnant and to
> carry them to term.
Then there's the real world where that personal freedom
ensures that the country cant hope to progress economically.
> Doesn't mean the government should subsidize them, just that the government should not make it illegal.
Thats all very well in the modern first world where every single country
isnt even self replacing on population now if you take out immigration,
but its academic cloud cuckooland with the third world.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 1:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Samantha Hill <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote
>>>>> Reproductive freedom has always been the privilege
>>>>> of those with the resources to reproduce successfully.
>>>> Well, my experience has been that those people who championed
>>>> abortion in the name of reproductive freedom sure seem to have
>>>> backpedalled when it comes to making the door go both ways.
>>>> Maybe they should have called it nonreproductive freedom instead.
>>>> And childbearing is not a privilege; it's a fact of life that I
>>>> don't believe the government has any right to make illegal.
>> Thats arguable with those with major genetic problems.
>>>> Discourage it by removing tax benefits; sure. But not make it illegal.
>> Its the only approach that worked in china.
>>> Childbearing is not the same as reproduction. Squeezing out
>>> babies only to have them die within months is not reproduction.
>> Yes, but that hasnt been reality in the first world for a hell of a long time now.
>>> Successfully getting a child from conception to adulthood has
>>> always been the privilege of those with the resources to keep
>>> them from starving to death or otherwise dying prematurely.
>> Nope, there's always been plenty of societys that werent that marginal.
>>> That privilege is easier to come by nowadays in the First World,
>> In fact its automatic and you have to be hopeless to not be able to manage that now.
>>> but it is still a privilege.
>> Nope, its what everyone can expect now, essentially
>> because modern society has come a hell of a long way
>> since it was a priviledge now. Mostly due to the invention
>> of vaccination and very basic stuff like clean drinking water etc.
> I invite you to contemplate the infant mortality rates in First World cities like Detroit.
Thats precisely what I said, you have to be hopeless to not be able to manage it now.
Nothing whatever to do with privilege at all.
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 12:57 pm
From: David Nebenzahl
On 6/4/2008 12:21 PM salty@dog.com spake thus:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:04:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>How odd that the word transformer doesnt even get a mention in
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_%28electrical%29
>>
>>Keep digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
>
> Guess these guys didn't believe an amateur entry in Wikipedia:
>
> http://www.saveonlighting.com/subcat-ballast-electronic_compact_fluorescent_ballast_transformer__ecf_.htm
That *is* a transformer (or it contains a transformer); we're talking
about the "old school" ballasts, which are just inductors.
But what I said before about not bothering arguing w/this asshole still
holds.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 1:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
salty@dog.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> salty@dog.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> salty@dog.com wrote
>>>>> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote
>>>>>> salty@dog.com wrote
>>>>>>> ranck@vt.edu wrote
>>>>>>>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> ranck@vt.edu wrote
>>>>>>>>>> I think he is seriously over estimating the power usage of a
>>>>>>>>>> clock chip and LCD display. 1 Watt would be more like it.
>>>>>>>>>> 5 Watts would be about right for an old mechanical stove clock.
>>>>>>>>> You are, of course, neglecting the power supply losses.
>>>>>>>>> Non switching regulators typically throw away half or
>>>>>>>>> more of the power. The trend is away from them.
>>>>>>>> Well, we do seem to be arguing the number of angels dancing on pinheads. ;-)
>>>>>>> Not really. Transformers draw significant power even when there is
>>>>>>> no demand upon them. They just turn it into heat rather than work.
>>>>>>> Plug in a wall wart with no load on it and measure the temperature
>>>>>>> and current draw after an hour. That's a very tiny transformer.
>>>>>>> If you remove one tube form a two tube florescent light fixture
>>>>>>> with an old fashioned transformer, it hardly changes power
>>>>>>> consumption at all.
>>>>>> On that last point, I find that the power consumption changes a lot.
>>>>>> The change is less when the ballast is one of those "pseudoparallel"
>>>>>> electronic ones rated to power more than one quantity of tubes, and
>>>>>> the remaining tube(s) get increased power when one tube is removed.
>>>>>> But the overall power consumption still goes down when one tube is removed.
>>>>> My point was that the power consumption is not cut in
>>>>> half by removing one of the tubes. If you turn on a two
>>>>> tube fixture with NO tubes in it, it will draw power as well.
>>>> Nope, it doesnt with the traditional ballast that fools like you dont realise isnt a transformer.
>>> That must be why the full name for the device is "Transformer Ballast", eh?
>> No it isnt.
>> How odd that the word transformer doesnt even get a mention in
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_%28electrical%29
>> Keep digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
> Guess these guys didn't believe an amateur entry in Wikipedia:
They clearly dont have a clue about the difference between a ballast and a transformer.
A transformer has two separate windings, a ballast/choke/inductor has just one.
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 3:53 pm
From: salty@dog.com
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:57:45 -0700, David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens>
wrote:
>On 6/4/2008 12:21 PM salty@dog.com spake thus:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:04:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>How odd that the word transformer doesnt even get a mention in
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_%28electrical%29
>>>
>>>Keep digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
>>
>> Guess these guys didn't believe an amateur entry in Wikipedia:
>>
>> http://www.saveonlighting.com/subcat-ballast-electronic_compact_fluorescent_ballast_transformer__ecf_.htm
>
>That *is* a transformer (or it contains a transformer); we're talking
>about the "old school" ballasts, which are just inductors.
>
>But what I said before about not bothering arguing w/this asshole still
>holds.
Yeah, it's not really worth the trouble. He's been posting his nonsense for many
years. Some folks call him Rod Speedbump because he's such an impediment.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 4:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
salty@dog.com wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:57:45 -0700, David Nebenzahl
> <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>> On 6/4/2008 12:21 PM salty@dog.com spake thus:
>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:04:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How odd that the word transformer doesnt even get a mention in
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_%28electrical%29
>>>>
>>>> Keep digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
>>>
>>> Guess these guys didn't believe an amateur entry in Wikipedia:
>>>
>>> http://www.saveonlighting.com/subcat-ballast-electronic_compact_fluorescent_ballast_transformer__ecf_.htm
>>
>> That *is* a transformer (or it contains a transformer); we're talking
>> about the "old school" ballasts, which are just inductors.
>>
>> But what I said before about not bothering arguing w/this asshole
>> still holds.
>
> Yeah, it's not really worth the trouble. He's been posting his
> nonsense for many years. Some folks call him Rod Speedbump because
> he's such an impediment.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 5:20 pm
From: David Nebenzahl
On 6/4/2008 4:04 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
[...]
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
"Hey, honey, could you smack that record player one more time? The
needle's stuck again!"
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 5:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> On 6/4/2008 4:04 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
> "Hey, honey, could you smack that record player one more time? The needle's stuck again!"
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 5:38 pm
From: CJT
Rod Speed wrote:
> salty@dog.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:57:45 -0700, David Nebenzahl
>><nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 6/4/2008 12:21 PM salty@dog.com spake thus:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:04:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How odd that the word transformer doesnt even get a mention in
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_%28electrical%29
>>>>>
>>>>>Keep digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
>>>>
>>>>Guess these guys didn't believe an amateur entry in Wikipedia:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.saveonlighting.com/subcat-ballast-electronic_compact_fluorescent_ballast_transformer__ecf_.htm
>>>
>>>That *is* a transformer (or it contains a transformer); we're talking
>>>about the "old school" ballasts, which are just inductors.
>>>
>>>But what I said before about not bothering arguing w/this asshole
>>>still holds.
>>
>>Yeah, it's not really worth the trouble. He's been posting his
>>nonsense for many years. Some folks call him Rod Speedbump because
>>he's such an impediment.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
Good introspection there.
--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 5:39 pm
From: CJT
Rod Speed wrote:
> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>>On 6/4/2008 4:04 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
>
>
>>"Hey, honey, could you smack that record player one more time? The needle's stuck again!"
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
QED
--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 6:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> salty@dog.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:57:45 -0700, David Nebenzahl
>>> <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/4/2008 12:21 PM salty@dog.com spake thus:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:04:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How odd that the word transformer doesnt even get a mention in
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_%28electrical%29
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess these guys didn't believe an amateur entry in Wikipedia:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.saveonlighting.com/subcat-ballast-electronic_compact_fluorescent_ballast_transformer__ecf_.htm
>>>>
>>>> That *is* a transformer (or it contains a transformer); we're
>>>> talking about the "old school" ballasts, which are just inductors.
>>>>
>>>> But what I said before about not bothering arguing w/this asshole
>>>> still holds.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's not really worth the trouble. He's been posting his
>>> nonsense for many years. Some folks call him Rod Speedbump because
>>> he's such an impediment.
>>
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>
> Good introspection there.
Pathetic.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 6:53 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"
"max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:betatron-FA19A0.07513704062008@news.ftupet.com...
> In article <wNn1k.6225$mh5.914@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> Just as the microwave has a clock based timer that counts down and shuts
>> if
>> off too. Makes is saver for children and seniours to use over other
>> cooking
>> apliances. Why would you want to eliminate that? You could step back 20
>> years and put in a windup timer but I don't see any real savings there.
>
> a 1 watt load == 8769 watts/year
>
= about $1.50 a year
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 1:18 pm
From: Jeff
me@privacy.net wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a small window air conditioner
> (5000-6000 BTU) for bedroom use.
>
> Does the drop from 107 eer to 9.7 eer mean a big diff
> in electrical usage?
>
> Does on point make much diff?
Anthony has covered the EER bit, but there is more in choosing an AC.
There's also something called Energy Star. Energy Star appliances use
less electricity.
A 10.7 EER Energy Star AC can potentially use much less electrify
than a non Energy Star 10.7 EER AC.
Generally the savings will come when the AC is not at max cooling.
Energy Star ACs tend to have energy savings modes. For example, in a
"regular" AC the fan runs all the time, whether the compressor is
running or not. So you are always using the sizable amount of energy the
fan draws, whether you are cooling or not. In other words Energy Star
appliance can use dramatically less power while idling.
Another common feature is automatic fan speeds. When there is a lot of
cooling to do, the fan automatically runs faster. When it is just
maintaining a temp, it will run slower and quieter.
They may also have sleep modes that let the room warm up a bit after a
time delay, and then cycle back to the set temperature for when you are
getting up again.
All these features are switchable and you can enable or defeat them.
I'd buy a better AC. I upgraded my window ACs last year and I'm much
happier with the new units even if I wasn't saving energy. I love the
remote and the quieter operation. And electricity pricing can only go up.
I just sent someone off to buy a 600BTU AC. The 10.8 EER Energy Star
was $138 (Lowes), the cheapest "regular" was $85 and was a 9.0 (Brand
Smart).
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 2:25 pm
From: BeaForoni@msn.com
The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
of this stuff?
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 2:45 pm
From: Al Bundy
On Jun 4, 5:25 pm, BeaFor...@msn.com wrote:
> The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
> thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
> coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
> question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> of this stuff?
More of a pain than it's worth for a lousy 65 newspapers. You have to
go pick it off your lawn or drive 65 times. Presumably, you are not
providing a tip so you are not a valued customer. The paper rep will
bug you for continued delivery at the end of the 13 weeks. They may
forget to quit delivery and then you have to deal with that.
You have already wasted more time on it then it's worth.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 2:45 pm
From: George Grapman
BeaForoni@msn.com wrote:
> The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
> thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
> coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
> question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> of this stuff?
Did they just start dropping it off or did you request it? If it is
the latter you should read the small type as you may have given them
permission to bill you after the 13 weeks.
For years I have had the SF Chronicle and the NY Times delivered. The
Chron seems unable to deliver a dry paper. On many days I got a soggy SF
paper next to a dry NY Times. I have a home office but recently canceled
the Chron except for Sunday (the coupons more than cover the cost).I go
through their website quickly and the next time the world ends I will
drive to the nearest vending box.
I keep the Times because it is worth the price, I like having
something to read when riding public transit or going out to lunch and
there are stories in the print edition that are shorter or do not appear
on the web site.
I keep the times because I grew up with
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 3:04 pm
From: BeaForoni@msn.com
On Jun 4, 2:45 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> BeaFor...@msn.com wrote:
> > The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
> > thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
> > coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
> > question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> > burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> > of this stuff?
>
> Did they just start dropping it off or did you request it? If it is
> the latter you should read the small type as you may have given them
> permission to bill you after the 13 weeks.
>
> For years I have had the SF Chronicle and the NY Times delivered. The
> Chron seems unable to deliver a dry paper. On many days I got a soggy SF
> paper next to a dry NY Times. I have a home office but recently canceled
> the Chron except for Sunday (the coupons more than cover the cost).I go
> through their website quickly and the next time the world ends I will
> drive to the nearest vending box.
>
> I keep the Times because it is worth the price, I like having
> something to read when riding public transit or going out to lunch and
> there are stories in the print edition that are shorter or do not appear
> on the web site.
>
> I keep the times because I grew up with
No, they did it to the entire neighborhood. I guess I'll stop it soon,
I just thought there was some cool frugal thing to do with all these
dead trees.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 3:15 pm
From:
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<BeaForoni@msn.com> wrote in message
news:59f5cc4d-5c5c-4dce-8f29-729e97233c98@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
> thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
> coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
> question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> of this stuff?
Just call them up and demand that they stop delivering it.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 3:48 pm
From: nr
On Jun 4, 5:25 pm, BeaFor...@msn.com wrote:
> The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
> thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
> coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
> question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> of this stuff?
If they won't stop delivery, recycle them, hopefully with your
neighbors.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 6:05 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <48471256$0$4067$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, <h> wrote:
> <BeaForoni@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:59f5cc4d-5c5c-4dce-8f29-729e97233c98@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > The local fishwrap has decided to delivery the paper to me for
> > thirteen weeks, FREE! I don't read it as it is also online. The
> > coupons value is questionable. I don't have that much fish to wrap. My
> > question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> > burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> > of this stuff?
>
> Just call them up and demand that they stop delivering it.
Or ask them to switch the delivery address to a local school or public
library.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 7:50 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
BeaForoni@msn.com wrote:
> My question is; is there anything I can do with all this paper? Can I
> burn it in the fireplace this winter? Is there any value I can get out
> of this stuff?
I would not recommend burning it in your fireplace. Newspaper doesn't
burn very well and the high clay content makes for large amounts of ash.
They might burn better if soaked in wax or oil first (not gasoline).
A google search for 'uses of old newspapers' got me these...
http://www.papercrete.com/
http://www.livinginpaper.com/
http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/papercrete.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papier-m%C3%A2ch%C3%A9
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/2007-05-01/Use-Newspaper-for-Mulch.aspx
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Old-Newspapers-in-a-Variety-of-Ways
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