Frugal Living: Dec 16, 2010

Thursday, December 16, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: cruise ship
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 12:13 am
From: sf

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:00:30 -0500, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

> Finally, I'd like to avoid annoyances on the cruise. In particular,
> I've heard that on some cruise ships, cruise line photographers are
> everywhere, getting in your face, trying to get photos of you to resell
> to you later. I'm one of those guys who gets worked up just looking at
> red light photo cameras, so you can imagine how I react when a stranger
> keeps taking photos. I'd really prefer to go on a ship/line that
> doesn't have many of those snooping photographers all over the place.

I've been on several cruises and photographers are *not* in your face.
There are certain days when they are set up at a station to take
purely optional formal shots. Other than the port pictures (another
station you can bypass or not), that's it. The rest of the time, they
run the ship's equivalent of a camera store where they would like to
sell you something but they're happy to give you mini lessons on how
to use your camera. Photos are displayed on the wall and you can
purchase them or not. There is no pressure to have your picture taken
and no hard sell for you to buy them.

Please believe me when I say the people who told you ship
photographers are "in your face" must be antisocial rubes who wouldn't
know "in your face" if it slapped them in the face.

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 8:26 am
From: SMS

On Nov 12, 5:00 am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> My wife would like us to go on acruisein January - something in the
> Eastern Caribbean. We don't really care whichcruiseline, or which
> date - just a 7 daycruise. This isn't my first choice for a vacation,
> but I'll probably enjoy parts of it - like the shows, piano bar &
> buffets. Besides, the last vacation we took was my choice - road trip
> across Canada.
>
> I was wondering if any of you would mind sharing any tips you have on:
>
> A) airfare - best to do a package deal, or no?

Never do a package deal.

> B)cruise- how to get the best price?

Wait until the last minute, but that tends to increase air-fare
prices. I was on a flight to Fort Lauderdale last year and the lady
next to me was on her way to a 7 day eastern Caribbean cruise that she
had booked at the last minute for $199. Just think what seven days of
meals and hotel would cost on a vacation.

> C) avoiding annoyances - like photographers, additional costs

Because the basic cruise cost is a loss leader on the major cruise
lines they count on making money on shore excursions, alcohol, and a
bunch of other things like photography, selling worthless art at high
prices to dumb people, shopping, etc. You are forbidden from bringing
on your own wine, beer, or liquor of course.

> Regarding the airfare, I've found roundtrip air from Ohio to Florida
> for roughly $235 total per person on Expedia. This was a couple of
> months back, and I'm sure it fluctuates. When I tried adding airfare
> through severalcruisewebsites, however, they wanted between $600 and
> $800 per person, which seemed ridiculous. However, I'm a bit worried
> that if I don't do it as a package deal, we'll miss a connection
> somewhere between airport & thecruiseship.

January is high tourist season in Florida, so $235 is a good deal.

> On thecruiseitself, I've looked at cruisecheap.com,
> cruisebrothers.com, cruisehotsheet.com, and others. Whatever I end up
> finding, it seems like it can be had for $80-$120 cheaper on
> cruisecompete.com, which is good if you have a specificcruisein mind,
> specific date, specificship. In this case, all I care about is week
> long, Eastern Caribbean, and I don't care much aboutcruiseline,ship,
> or even particular date, other than January 2011.

Watch out for hidden fees.

> Finally, I'd like to avoid annoyances on thecruise. In particular,
> I've heard that on somecruiseships,cruiseline photographers are
> everywhere, getting in yourface, trying to get photos of you to resell
> to you later. I'm one of those guys who gets worked up just looking at
> redlightphoto cameras, so you can imagine how I react when a stranger
> keeps taking photos. I'd really prefer to go on aship/line that
> doesn't have many of those snooping photographers all over the place.

Good luck with that. But just make up a good story like "my agent
requires that you pay me for all photos."

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TOPIC: KARO HOT MASTI PHOTOS&VIDEOS
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 1:34 am
From: RAMYA

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TOPIC: Singer Sewing Machine repair
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 3:23 am
From: "Steve.IA"

Tru Dat <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in news:georgeswk-BEC876.21575315122010
@news.toast.net:

>
> well, thanks. yes I've tried that. and it seems to move the fabric
> back-wards but the stitch doesn't happen. Like it's not catching the
> thread under there. boy is it hard to see what's going on in the bobbin
> area.

Well, just in case you haven't, open up everything you can easily and blow
out the lint and accumulated dust with air. Put in a NEW needle and try it
again. I've have great luck 'fixing' SWMBO's machines with these simple
techniques.

Steve
southiowa
--
There is no such thing as a silly question;
just silly people asking questions.

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TOPIC: UN lifts key sanctions against Iraq! Is it a joke?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 5:30 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 15, 7:21 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
> the end of times" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:77eb6de6-a77f-4771-8040-4d5a4519a39c@r38g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> (BICYCLE... OIL. Could they be related?)
>
> TM ... BRAIN. Could they be related?

You are so UNfunny.

Could you be threatening the frog? Are you adopting a frog?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:10 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days before
the end of times" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:04c5adba-0f28-4f5c-985f-dbfd47b54589@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Dec 15, 7:21 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
>> before
>> the end of times" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:77eb6de6-a77f-4771-8040-4d5a4519a39c@r38g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>> (BICYCLE... OIL. Could they be related?)
>>
>> TM ... BRAIN. Could they be related?
>
> You are so UNfunny.
>
> Could you be threatening the frog? Are you adopting a frog?

I thought you were a fucking monkey? Now you tell me you are a fucking frog?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: WIKILEAKS: Oh c'mon, Ed, now you hate the truth too?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/49e72dcc5086cfc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 12:59 am, Tru Dat <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <3a217cc9-2ac3-47ee-a3b0-b59fae945...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
> before the end of times" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > SMART COMMENT:
>
> > (not mine)
>
> > It's a poor analogy likening governments to individuals. Someone who's
> > keeping a secret about cheating on their wife in their second year of
> > marriage has a right to privacy, as long as their conscience can bear
> > it. A government that has sent espionage task forces into
> > underdeveloped countries to upset their political system and install
> > their own "democratic" regime deserves no privacy. You've forgotten,
> > governments are made to serve individuals, and not the other way
> > around. Things are so backward nowadays that the US populace is
> > complacently dependent upon their government and the multinational
> > corporations that it serves: they're trading their freedom for
> > material comfort and soothing lies.
>
> > ***
>
> > "Comforting and soothing lies" sound like Jesus, right?
>
> and;
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>
>
> > U.S. Tries to Build Case Against WikiLeaks Founder
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/16wiki.html
>
> A discussion here:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2643320/posts

I find it funny that they "try to shoot the messenger," and not, say,
some Afghan big shot who landed with $54 million in another country as
revealed in the leaks.

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TOPIC: WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a684f22d7fa69689?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:37 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
share the lane.

If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.

--------------------------------------------------

"May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 7:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 9:54 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, not your average backyard philosopher <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >share the lane.
>
> >If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> With all due respect, is anyone in your local government reading
> these newsgroups? I'm curious if you spend as much time writing
> them and garnering local support as you do posting here.

I do, my friend, but they seem to be totally indifferent or totally
scared to speak, except for the moderator who's a chap from London.
Funny no, a chap from London in Miami...

http://forums.miamibeach411.com/off-topic-chit-chat/8170-london-sees-different-type-cyclist.html

Not only that, I've told them that their recent "grandiose project" (a
fancy mixed path by the beach) is a piece of shit, very dangerous
indeed, and they are speechless. ;)

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 8:30 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 10:41 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, not your average backyard philosopher <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Dec 16, 9:54 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, not your average backyard philosopher <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> >> >sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> >> >UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> >> >Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> >> >traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> >> >lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> >> >share the lane.
>
> >> >If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> >> >lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> >> >We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> >> >you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> >> With all due respect, is anyone in your local government reading
> >> these newsgroups? I'm curious if you spend as much time writing
> >> them and garnering local support as you do posting here.
>
> >I do, my friend, but they seem to be totally indifferent or totally
> >scared to speak, except for the moderator who's a chap from London.
> >Funny no, a chap from London in Miami...
>
> >http://forums.miamibeach411.com/off-topic-chit-chat/8170-london-sees-...
>
> >Not only that, I've told them that their recent "grandiose project" (a
> >fancy mixed path by the beach) is a piece of shit, very dangerous
> >indeed, and they are speechless. ;)
>
> Ah, well, sorry to hear it. Godspeed to you.

Wait, there's one last hope before Jesus or the Revolution coming
soon...

(they've been coming soon for a while)

http://decobike.com/

They will unleash 1,000 bikes into the jungle... or they may decide to
pacify the beast (traffic)... or they may draw bike lanes along major
thoroughfares... or it may be a project for PR to take place in a
small area.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 11:18 am
From: Forrest Hodge

On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>
> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
> share the lane.
>
> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 1:10 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Forrest Hodge" <fo19@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iedom5$6g0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet
> of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>>
>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
>> share the lane.
>>
>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>
> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle to
> pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.

Forrest, do you know how to read a thread? If you did, you would see that it
is only TM talking to himself.

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is a mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot
even if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 4:39 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>>
>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
>> share the lane.
>>
>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>>
>> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.

Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
and natural gas).

--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:13 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"T�m Sherm�n� �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ieebgo$84m$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
[...]
>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and there
> would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil and
> natural gas).

We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs. The Islamist
Fascists object to the very idea of America, and it is not connected to our
presence in the Middle East. It is connected to our secularism and our
influence in the world which directly threatens their medieval religion.

The American Empire needs to maintain troops everywhere in the world. That
is what great empires have always done. When ass needs to be kicked, it
needs to be kicked right away (especially Muslim ass). The Soviets at least
knew how to keep the Muslims down.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:23 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T�m Sherm�n� �_� > wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>>>
>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
>>> share the lane.
>>>
>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>>
>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>
> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
> and natural gas).
>

There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:25 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]

Arabs are Semites also.

Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
of the U.S. are traitors.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:27 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T�m Sherm�n� �_� > wrote:
>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
>>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
>>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
>>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>>>>
>>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
>>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
>>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
>>>> share the lane.
>>>>
>>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
>>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
>>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
>>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>>>>
>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>>>
>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>>
>> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
>> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
>> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
>> and natural gas).
>>
>
> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.

Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.

--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

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TOPIC: Why GW Debate Sides Correlate with Belief in God
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 10:55 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 15, 4:09 pm, Rockinghorse Winner
<rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
> Interesting how those who believe in God are generally skeptical about
> Global Warming, and those who are skeptical about god are receptive to the
> Global Warming claims. Any opinions as to why this correlation exists?

That's fairly easy to answer. Christians for the most part are found
among these groups:

1- They distrust Science so they believe in a conspiracy,

2- They tune to the wrong TV channels (never Animal Planet),

3- They listen to the preacher who feeds them his "version of events,"

4- They are likely to have lower IQ or are lazy about thinking,

5- They may have to assume responsibility and do changes to their
lifestyle such as riding a bike,

6- Jesus is coming soon... so who cares!?

--------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"History is happening now, so don't be left behind!"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 11:06 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 12:45 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are stupid, monkey. You need an infusion of human blood.
>
> For the record, I am a faithful Catholic, and global warming is an
> inevitable consequence of human activity on the Planet. Motion
> creates heat. Anyone who denies Global Warming is an idiot. The only
> question is, how serious of a problem is it at present? That is a
> question on which even the scientists are divided.

You are more stupid if you think we can't minimize that damage and
instead should keep driving Stupid Unnecessary Vehicles as if nothing
is happening.

We can easily ride a bike for local errands and reduce our impact. But
your IQ is pretty good for a Christian. ;)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 11:10 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 16, 1:53 pm, dali_70 <w_e_coyot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 12:45 pm, Joe <jfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You are stupid, monkey. You need an infusion of human blood.
>
> > For the record, I am a faithful Catholic, and global warming is an
> > inevitable consequence of human activity on the Planet. Motion
> > creates heat. Anyone who denies Global Warming is an idiot. The only
> > question is, how serious of a problem is it at present? That is a
> > question on which even the scientists are divided.
>
> Among evangelicals, fundamentalist's, and other right wing
> conservative christians, he's spot on. they tend to deny global
> warming, evolution, the big bang and just about everything else that
> contradicts their religion or the GOP & it's corporate propaganda of
> the day.
>
> I've noticed that among Catholics, even the one's who describe
> themselves as republican or conservative, tend to go along with the
> science on things like global warming, evolution and the big bang.
>
> As for how serious a problem it is at the present, I'd say it's pretty
> damn serious. It's an exponential problem, the longer we wait the
> worse it's going to be, and the harder it's going to be to correct, if
> thats even possible.

The Catholics may be closer to the truth, but they don't do shit about
it.

Wait, they pray! ;)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 3:01 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:11:16 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
<millhaven@intergate.com> wrote:

>On Dec 15, 4:57�pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:55:48 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>
>>
>>
>> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 13, 4:05 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:19:36 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>
>> >> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>> >> >It makes me sad.
>>
>> >> So why don't you tell us about how crappy your job is, or how you went
>> >> to see some new band across town and chatted up some goth chick but
>> >> didn't close the deal so you went home and got stoned and ate too much
>> >> junk food. Then we could all make fun of you.
>>
>> >> Just like old times.
>>
>> >> Dennis (evil)
>> >> --
>> >> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
>>
>> >I haven't been stoned in so long.
>>
>> Still answering phones?
>>
>
>
>Not when I can help it.
>
>But I do thank gawd every day that I have a job. And enough money to
>do pretty much everything I want to, as long as I am still happy not
>doing much that is.

Well crap -- if you're happy (or at least content) with your job, not
perpetually stoned and doing stupid stuff, and not whining over
failure to get laid, you've pretty much outgrown your utility as
newsgroup pet.

What good are you?
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 3:32 pm
From: Millhaven

On Dec 16, 3:01 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:11:16 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>
>
>
> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 15, 4:57 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:55:48 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>
> >> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
> >> >On Dec 13, 4:05 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:19:36 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>
> >> >> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
> >> >> >It makes me sad.
>
> >> >> So why don't you tell us about how crappy your job is, or how you went
> >> >> to see some new band across town and chatted up some goth chick but
> >> >> didn't close the deal so you went home and got stoned and ate too much
> >> >> junk food. Then we could all make fun of you.
>
> >> >> Just like old times.
>
> >> >> Dennis (evil)
> >> >> --
> >> >> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
>
> >> >I haven't been stoned in so long.
>
> >> Still answering phones?
>
> >Not when I can help it.
>
> >But I do thank gawd every day that I have a job. And enough money to
> >do pretty much everything I want to, as long as I am still happy not
> >doing much that is.
>
> Well crap -- if you're happy (or at least content) with your job, not
> perpetually stoned and doing stupid stuff, and not whining over
> failure to get laid, you've pretty much outgrown your utility as
> newsgroup pet.
>
> What good are you?
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

I haven't posted much here the last several years.

But still, the state of this group makes me sad. It's like going home
only to find it overgrown with weeds and no one home.

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