Frugal Living: Sep 15, 2008

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TOPIC: In-house visit by a "Rainbow vacuum" salesperson
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 10:33 pm
From: SMS

spaco wrote:

> Of course, this had absolutely NOTHING to do with vacuuming your rug,
> but that's how the game can be played without anyone actually having to
> go to jail.

Wait, you mean the amount of power the motor draws doesn't directly
correlate with suction? Who woulda thunk that?

Reminds me back when "transistor" radios competed by counting transistors.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:44 pm
From: Lew Hartswick

SMS wrote:
> spaco wrote:
>
>> Of course, this had absolutely NOTHING to do with vacuuming your
>> rug, but that's how the game can be played without anyone actually
>> having to go to jail.
>
>
> Wait, you mean the amount of power the motor draws doesn't directly
> correlate with suction? Who woulda thunk that?
>
> Reminds me back when "transistor" radios competed by counting transistors.

And if you are a little (maybe a lot) older the radios, especially
by "Midwest" (as I remember the name), were competing by the number
of tubes. In some cases I think only with the heaters connected. :-)
...lew...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 3:54 pm
From: John Doe

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "thestuccocompany.com" <info_at_air-space_dot_us@foo.com> wrote in

>>> 4. Then there were some demonstrations that Rainbow would still
>>> pick up dust after vacuuming with a Sears vacuum, which could
>>> possibly be true but I think that she cheated a bit by going
>>> outside the area that I actually vacuumed, a bit -- it is kind
>>> of hard to tell, I think so but my spouse is not so sure.
>>
>>> 5. She made some claims about infections that her system
>>> prevented, which went somewhat over my head but overall I was
>>> not sure if it was not complete bunk.
>>
>>> We did not purchase this system in the end, but I wanted to hear
>>> some opinions on this stuff.

> i bought one yrs ago back before hepa filters were common. loved
> the lack of "vac scent". when we had to replace the carpet,
> there was no dirt on or under the pad. that doesn't happen with
> a regular vac. one of the minuses is that you have to empty the
> container. if you have too much dirt, which is most likely when
> you begin using a rainbow, you'll get mud, so be sure to empty
> frequently if you're a new user. if you have pet hair, you need
> to know if it's safe to flush down your toilet, else you'll have
> to dump the container elsewhere. i also was able to use it as a
> carpet cleaner since there was a carpet cleaning attachment. at
> this time, i prefer an upright, but it's still in my basement
> awaiting the next time i have need of a carpet cleaner (which may
> be never again).

My next-door neighbors have had one for about 30 years I guess. Had to
replace the switch but it still works and they still use it.

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TOPIC: CVS Pharmacist calls customer a "Fucking AIDS freak"
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:26 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

On Sep 11, 1:47 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:25:19 -0700 (PDT), ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >http://consumerist.com/5047882/cvs-employee-calls-customer-a-fucking-...
> >Check out this stunning exchange between a Philadelphia CVS employee
> >and a customer:
> > His response was "Whatever, somebody needs to come deal with this
> >because I'm about to go off..."
> > "You're about to 'Go off?', I asked him."Do you really think
> >that's the best thing to say to a paying customer?"
> > And at this point, with his back turned to me, the young man
> >muttered "Fucking AIDS freak."
>
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>
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wait, you were sayin?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:30 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

On Sep 13, 10:48 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chief Thracian <chief_thrac...@yahoo.com> wrote

> > Germans made that mistake, and it led to a holocaust.
>
> And everywhere else did too, and it didnt.
>

Riiiiight, the only time there was pogroms was Nazi germany. I take
it the whole world has been getting along
before and since then according to yoru logic, and all of the pogroms
we heard of was just historians and the news
media talking smack..

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:30 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

On Sep 13, 10:48 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chief Thracian <chief_thrac...@yahoo.com> wrote

> > Germans made that mistake, and it led to a holocaust.
>
> And everywhere else did too, and it didnt.
>

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:30 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

On Sep 13, 10:48 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chief Thracian <chief_thrac...@yahoo.com> wrote

> > Germans made that mistake, and it led to a holocaust.
>
> And everywhere else did too, and it didnt.
>

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:34 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

On Sep 15, 2:30 am, ultim...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 13, 10:48 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chief Thracian <chief_thrac...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > Germans made that mistake, and it led to a holocaust.
>
> > And everywhere else did too, and it didnt.
>
> Riiiiight, the only time there was pogroms was Nazi Germany/Nazi occupied Europe.
> I take it the whole world has been getting along before and since then
> according to your logic, the Nazi holocaust was just a freak
> happening and all of the other pogroms we heard of was just historians and the news
> media talking smack..

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:34 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 11:00 am
From: "Rod Speed"

ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian <chief_thrac...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Nor is a prejudice justified, just because it's a majority opinion.
>>> Germans made that mistake, and it led to a holocaust.

>> And everywhere else did too, and it didnt.

> Riiiiight, the only time there was pogroms was Nazi germany.

Pogroms aint a holocaust, child.

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TOPIC: Few safeguards for Mexican produce heading north
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:44 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

On Sep 14, 10:32 am, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> Few safeguards for Mexican produce heading north
> MARK WALSH and OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS
> Originally published 07:40 a.m., September 14, 2008, updated 07:39
> a.m., September 14, 2008
>
> ALLENDE, MEXICO (AP) - At the end of a dirt road in northern Mexico,
> the conveyer belts processing hundreds of tons of vegetables a year
> for U.S. and Mexican markets are open to the elements, protected only
> by a corrugated metal roof.
>
> The U.S. Food and Drug Administration suspects this packing plant, its
> warehouse in McAllen, Texas, and a farm in Mexico are among the
> sources of the United States' largest outbreak of food-borne illness
> in a decade, which infected at least 1,440 people with a rare form of
> salmonella.
>
> A plant manager confirmed to The Associated Press that workers
> handling chili peppers aren't required to separate them according to
> the sanitary conditions in which they were grown, offering a possible
> explanation for how such a rare strain of salmonella could have caused
> such a large outbreak.
>
> The AP has found that while some Mexican producers grow fruits and
> vegetables under strict sanitary conditions for export to the U.S.,
> many don't _ and they can still send their produce across the border
> easily.
>
> Neither the U.S. nor the Mexican governments impose any safety
> requirements on farms and processing plants. That includes those using
> unsanitary conditions _ like those at Agricola Zaragoza _ and brokers
> or packing plants that mix export-grade fruits and vegetables with
> lower-quality produce.
>
> In fact, the only thing a Mexican company needs to do to sell produce
> to the United States is to register online.
>
> Some Mexican farms and processing plants have high standards of
> sanitation _ and get private companies to certify those standards _ so
> they can sell to U.S. supermarket chains that wouldn't buy from
> uncertified ones.
>
> But there is no public list of the chains that require sanitary
> practices, meaning there's no way to know whether the fruit and
> vegetables in any particular store is certified or not.
>
> The only U.S. government enforcement consists of 625 FDA inspectors
> who conduct spot checks of both U.S. and foreign produce, reviewing
> less than 1 percent of all imports. Beyond that, it is entirely up to
> the supermarkets and restaurants to police their produce.
>
> The best Mexican producers grow crops in fenced-off fields, irrigate
> them with fresh water and pack them in spotless plants where workers
> dress in protective gear from head to toe. But there are still plenty
> of farms with unfenced fields where wildlife can roam freely, and
> which use untreated water _ sometimes laced with sewage.
>
> Salmonella can lurk on the skin of produce or penetrate inside.
> Cooking kills it, but washing raw produce doesn't always eliminate it,
> which is why safety experts stress preventing contamination.
>
> Agricola Zaragoza is one of the uncertified plants, manager Emilio
> Garcia told the AP. He said the packing plant washes produce from both
> certified and uncertified producers, opening up the possibility for
> contamination. He refused to give details about his suppliers.
>
> The FDA suspects Mexican jalapeno and serrano chilies processed at
> Agricola Zaragoza caused the latest outbreak, though it also thinks
> tomatoes could have played a role. It concedes the ultimate source may
> never be known.
>
> Cesar Fragoso, president of Mexico's Chili Peppers Growers
> Association, said most Mexican pepper farms sell their crops to
> distributors without knowing what country they are bound for. Because
> of that, he said, few bother to get certification.
>
> In addition, lots of produce passes from distributor to distributor
> before reaching its final destination, increasing the potential for
> contamination and making tracing outbreaks much more difficult. Former
> FDA official William Hubbard said only 10 percent of outbreaks are
> ever completely resolved.
>
> "It is very common for distributors to receive products from numerous
> sources, numerous farms and in some cases multiple countries," Hubbard
> said. "That's just the way produce moves."
>
> In the latest contamination case, the U.S. government traced the
> suspect jalapenos to two farms in the state of Tamaulipas. Both
> shipped through Agricola Zaragoza in neighboring Nuevo Leon state.
> Agricola Zaragoza shipped the peppers to its warehouse in McAllen,
> Texas, where the FDA found the first contaminated jalapeno.
>
> Though usually smaller in scale, such outbreaks are relatively common
> _ at least 3,000 between 1990 and 2006 from FDA-regulated foods,
> according to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a
> nutrition and food safety advocacy group. Those numbers include
> fruits, vegetables and seafood, and contamination both in the U.S. and
> abroad.
>
> The cases include a 2004 hepatitis outbreak linked to Mexican green
> onions that killed four people and sickened 650 in Pennsylvania, and a
> 2006 nationwide E. coli outbreak that infected about 300 people and
> killed three and was traced to tainted spinach from California.
>
> The U.S. Senate is considering a bill that would require the FDA to
> issue regulations for ensuring safer fresh produce. In Mexico, a
> federal produce safety law was passed in 1994 but analysts say it is
> rarely enforced. Mexico's Agriculture Department did not respond to a
> request for an interview.

Aw, come on, how about a dose of multiculturalism?

mitch

http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News

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TOPIC: George Foreman Grill
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 4:19 am
From: Kevin

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TOPIC: Dry pet food recalled due to harboring Salmonella
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 6:10 am
From: ultimauw@live.com

http://consumerist.com/5048263/14-brands-of-pet-food-recalled

Mars Petcare US is recalling 14 brands of dry dog and cat food made
between February and July of this year, after two people who may have
had contact with some of the food became infected with Salmonella. If
you feed your dog or cat any of the brands listed below, here's how to
check the package code.

Recalled brands:

* Pedigree
* Ol' Roy
* Retriever
* Paws & Claws
* Member's Mark
* Natural Dog Food
* Natural Cat Food
* Doggy Bag
* PMI Nutrition
* Red Flannel
* PetPride
* Special Kitty
* Country Acres
* Wegman's Bruiser
* Wegman's Buju & Ziggie

To check whether the package you have is part of the recall, look at
the code under the "Best Before" date.

(more info on site)

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TOPIC: Grills still using ceramic bricks or lava rocks
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 8:48 am
From: James

On Sep 10, 8:02 pm, imascot <im...@mycomputer.now> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a propane grill that still uses ceramic bricks or lava rocks? We had a cheap Fiesta
> grill that had them, and it lasted for years. The Kenmore we have now is only five years old, and it is
> rusted through, which is bad enough, but the main problem is the design that allows grease to pool in
> the bottom, instead of burning off almost immediately. It fills the catch can to overflowing, and the
> patio is stained from it spilling, etc. The rusting is probably caused by this, too (we keep it covered
> when not in use.)
> I don't see any new grills in the stores that still use this system. We would even consider buying a better
> brand used, if they had this, like maybe a Weber or Ducane?
> J.

We tried putting ceramic bricks in a BBQ not designed for them, and it
didn't work as well. Then we tried lining the bottom of the grill with
heavy duty aluminum foil and this has made a world of difference.

James

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 12:58 pm
From: Dennis

On 11 Sep 2008 00:02:34 GMT, imascot <imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote:

>Does anyone know of a propane grill that still uses ceramic bricks or lava rocks? We had a cheap Fiesta
>grill that had them, and it lasted for years. The Kenmore we have now is only five years old, and it is
>rusted through, which is bad enough, but the main problem is the design that allows grease to pool in
>the bottom, instead of burning off almost immediately. It fills the catch can to overflowing, and the
>patio is stained from it spilling, etc. The rusting is probably caused by this, too (we keep it covered
>when not in use.)
>I don't see any new grills in the stores that still use this system. We would even consider buying a better
>brand used, if they had this, like maybe a Weber or Ducane?

If you're serious about barbeque (rather than just grilling) look at
the Traeger wood pellet barbeques. It cooks like a convection oven
but with smoke. I just made some pork loin ribs on mine that were
probably the best I've ever done.

Of course, they're kind of spendy, but results-wise, nothing else
compares.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 10:15 am
From: Derald

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--
TIA,
Derald

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 3:15 pm
From: Gordon

Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote in
news:LuudnblgSMxDFFPVnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@earthlink.com:

> Anyone have any actual experience with either of these two services?
>
> http://tvchannels2pc.com/
>
> http://freetubepro.com/
>

There are plenty of alternitives out there that don't require
that you download some software or register. Look for the Un-plug
your cableTV thread in the archives.

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TOPIC: The wrong response to higher food prices
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 2:00 pm
From: "ares"

Not only that, it make for more garbage, and having to use multiple packages
to fill you
up; this trend has gotten me really annoyed.
ares

"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
news:CaGdnd95LMmfzVXVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@comcast.com...
> <http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/09/pf/food_downsizing/index.htm>
> "As manufacturers cope with the rising cost of raw ingredients and fuel,
> downsizing their package sizes is one increasingly popular way to pass
> along a price increase without drawing too much attention."
> ------------------------
>
>
> Fortunately, the government requires producers to indicate the net
> weight of the food on the packaging, and the grocery store indicates the
> price per ounce. So the somewhat deceptive aspect of this is manageable.
>
> My real problem with this policy is that packaging is expensive. Buying
> larger quantities at a time is one way to save money, yet producers are
> doing the opposite. So this particular response to higher food prices
> just exacerbates the problem!

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TOPIC: Do you still do your own oil change?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 3:13 pm
From: SMS

Forrest wrote:
> "Shaun Eli" <missingchild@brainchampagne.com> wrote in message
> news:b011f89a-95ce-499f-87e3-9561916b25bb@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Here in NY gas stations have to take used oil and there's no shortage
>> of gas stations in any direction I drive.
>>
>> I use a good filter rather than the cheap ones the quick-change places
>> use, and I use the right weight of oil and the correct amount. And
>> still it's a bit cheaper than paying someone else.
>>
>> Furthermore, it's faster for me to change the oil myself than to drive
>> somewhere and wait while they do it, and yes, as someone else pointed
>> out, I can go back inside the house and keep myself occupied while
>> more oil drips out though I imagine the extra couple of ounces don't
>> make that much difference.
>>
>> I got something Fram makes called a suredrain or something like that.
>> You replace the drain plug with it and you don't have to unscrew
>> anything to change the oil. It's a bit faster but more importantly
>> you don't get oil on your hands or drop the bolt into the drain pan.
>>
>> The only disadvantage of doing it myself is that I don't have a garage
>> so I have to wait for a dry day so I don't get soaked.
>>
>> Shaun Eli
>> www.BrainChampagne.com
>> Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)
>
> I thought about buying one of those once but, at least for my car, it looked
> like it went into the pan too much to get a complete draining.

Yes, those drain spigots go to high up into the oil pan so a lot of oil
gets left in the pan. They're not as bad as pumping the oil out through
the dipstick hole.

> I always
> figure that the last to come out has the most crud.

Actually the oil with the most crud comes out first, but it is at the
bottom so it won't come out at all unless the drain plug is completely
removed. The oil that drips out slowly at the end is from the inside
walls of the pan, and what's dripping down from the engine, since you
always drain the oil when the engine is warm.

> But, what the hell, if
> it's easier to do, maybe you'll do it more often. Now, if they would just
> put the filter where it's easy to get to .....

Oil changing seems like a simple task, but when you think about it,
there are a lot of ways to mess it up, and a lot of things to watch out for.

-Put a big pan under the car to catch drippings
-Drain the oil with the engine warm, but not hot or cold
-Drain the oil, and not the automtic transmission fluid or front
differential fluid (on 4WD cars)
-Ensure that the old oil can get into the collection container fast
enough (remove the second cap from the container so air can exit.
-Remove the filler cap while draining
-Remove the filter without spilling the oil inside the filter all over
the engine compartment
-Ensure that the old oil filter gasket didn't remain behind
-Clean the surface where the gasket contacts
-Get the filter from the dealer, not an after-market filter
-Get the right filter
-Oil the gasket on the new filter
-Don't crush the new filter with a strap wrench
-Don't over-tighten or under-tighten the new filter
-Don't cross-thread the new filter
-Don't lose the drain plug in the oil container
-Remove the old drain plug gasket.
-Clean the surface where the drain plug gasket contact the oil pan
-Use a new drain plug gasket
-Use the right size and material of drain plug gasket
-Don't over-tighten or under-tighten the drain plug
-Don't cross thread the drain plug
-Use the proper weight oil
-Use the proper amount of oil
-Pour the oil into the right place
-Don't spill the new oil all over the engine
-Don't over-fill or under-fill
-Remember to put the drain plug back in before you put in the new oil
-Pour the used oil into containers for recycling without spilling it

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 4:00 pm
From: "Forrest"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:s6Bzk.334$Rx.41@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Forrest wrote:
>> "Shaun Eli" <missingchild@brainchampagne.com> wrote in message
>> news:b011f89a-95ce-499f-87e3-9561916b25bb@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Here in NY gas stations have to take used oil and there's no shortage
>>> of gas stations in any direction I drive.
>>>
>>> I use a good filter rather than the cheap ones the quick-change places
>>> use, and I use the right weight of oil and the correct amount. And
>>> still it's a bit cheaper than paying someone else.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, it's faster for me to change the oil myself than to drive
>>> somewhere and wait while they do it, and yes, as someone else pointed
>>> out, I can go back inside the house and keep myself occupied while
>>> more oil drips out though I imagine the extra couple of ounces don't
>>> make that much difference.
>>>
>>> I got something Fram makes called a suredrain or something like that.
>>> You replace the drain plug with it and you don't have to unscrew
>>> anything to change the oil. It's a bit faster but more importantly
>>> you don't get oil on your hands or drop the bolt into the drain pan.
>>>
>>> The only disadvantage of doing it myself is that I don't have a garage
>>> so I have to wait for a dry day so I don't get soaked.
>>>
>>> Shaun Eli
>>> www.BrainChampagne.com
>>> Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)
>>
>> I thought about buying one of those once but, at least for my car, it
>> looked like it went into the pan too much to get a complete draining.
>
> Yes, those drain spigots go to high up into the oil pan so a lot of oil
> gets left in the pan. They're not as bad as pumping the oil out through
> the dipstick hole.
>
>> I always figure that the last to come out has the most crud.
>
> Actually the oil with the most crud comes out first, but it is at the
> bottom so it won't come out at all unless the drain plug is completely
> removed. The oil that drips out slowly at the end is from the inside walls
> of the pan, and what's dripping down from the engine, since you always
> drain the oil when the engine is warm.
>
>> But, what the hell, if it's easier to do, maybe you'll do it more often.
>> Now, if they would just put the filter where it's easy to get to .....
>
> Oil changing seems like a simple task, but when you think about it, there
> are a lot of ways to mess it up, and a lot of things to watch out for.
>
> -Put a big pan under the car to catch drippings
> -Drain the oil with the engine warm, but not hot or cold
> -Drain the oil, and not the automtic transmission fluid or front
> differential fluid (on 4WD cars)
> -Ensure that the old oil can get into the collection container fast enough
> (remove the second cap from the container so air can exit.
> -Remove the filler cap while draining
> -Remove the filter without spilling the oil inside the filter all over the
> engine compartment
> -Ensure that the old oil filter gasket didn't remain behind
> -Clean the surface where the gasket contacts
> -Get the filter from the dealer, not an after-market filter
> -Get the right filter
> -Oil the gasket on the new filter
> -Don't crush the new filter with a strap wrench
> -Don't over-tighten or under-tighten the new filter
> -Don't cross-thread the new filter
> -Don't lose the drain plug in the oil container
> -Remove the old drain plug gasket.
> -Clean the surface where the drain plug gasket contact the oil pan
> -Use a new drain plug gasket
> -Use the right size and material of drain plug gasket
> -Don't over-tighten or under-tighten the drain plug
> -Don't cross thread the drain plug
> -Use the proper weight oil
> -Use the proper amount of oil
> -Pour the oil into the right place
> -Don't spill the new oil all over the engine
> -Don't over-fill or under-fill
> -Remember to put the drain plug back in before you put in the new oil
> -Pour the used oil into containers for recycling without spilling it

"Remember to put the drain plug back in before you put in the new oil"
Ooooopps ... Did that once in my younger years. Got to BS ing with some
friends, over a few cold ones, and forgot to put the plug back in. Once, is
all it takes to get you to double check that.

You left out, "don't let the little plastic ring, under the cap on the oil
bottle, fall into the engine".

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 4:14 pm
From: SMS

Forrest wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:s6Bzk.334$Rx.41@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Forrest wrote:
>>> "Shaun Eli" <missingchild@brainchampagne.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b011f89a-95ce-499f-87e3-9561916b25bb@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Here in NY gas stations have to take used oil and there's no shortage
>>>> of gas stations in any direction I drive.
>>>>
>>>> I use a good filter rather than the cheap ones the quick-change places
>>>> use, and I use the right weight of oil and the correct amount. And
>>>> still it's a bit cheaper than paying someone else.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, it's faster for me to change the oil myself than to drive
>>>> somewhere and wait while they do it, and yes, as someone else pointed
>>>> out, I can go back inside the house and keep myself occupied while
>>>> more oil drips out though I imagine the extra couple of ounces don't
>>>> make that much difference.
>>>>
>>>> I got something Fram makes called a suredrain or something like that.
>>>> You replace the drain plug with it and you don't have to unscrew
>>>> anything to change the oil. It's a bit faster but more importantly
>>>> you don't get oil on your hands or drop the bolt into the drain pan.
>>>>
>>>> The only disadvantage of doing it myself is that I don't have a garage
>>>> so I have to wait for a dry day so I don't get soaked.
>>>>
>>>> Shaun Eli
>>>> www.BrainChampagne.com
>>>> Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)
>>> I thought about buying one of those once but, at least for my car, it
>>> looked like it went into the pan too much to get a complete draining.
>> Yes, those drain spigots go to high up into the oil pan so a lot of oil
>> gets left in the pan. They're not as bad as pumping the oil out through
>> the dipstick hole.
>>
>>> I always figure that the last to come out has the most crud.
>> Actually the oil with the most crud comes out first, but it is at the
>> bottom so it won't come out at all unless the drain plug is completely
>> removed. The oil that drips out slowly at the end is from the inside walls
>> of the pan, and what's dripping down from the engine, since you always
>> drain the oil when the engine is warm.
>>
>>> But, what the hell, if it's easier to do, maybe you'll do it more often.
>>> Now, if they would just put the filter where it's easy to get to .....
>> Oil changing seems like a simple task, but when you think about it, there
>> are a lot of ways to mess it up, and a lot of things to watch out for.
>>
>> -Put a big pan under the car to catch drippings
>> -Drain the oil with the engine warm, but not hot or cold
>> -Drain the oil, and not the automtic transmission fluid or front
>> differential fluid (on 4WD cars)
>> -Ensure that the old oil can get into the collection container fast enough
>> (remove the second cap from the container so air can exit.
>> -Remove the filler cap while draining
>> -Remove the filter without spilling the oil inside the filter all over the
>> engine compartment
>> -Ensure that the old oil filter gasket didn't remain behind
>> -Clean the surface where the gasket contacts
>> -Get the filter from the dealer, not an after-market filter
>> -Get the right filter
>> -Oil the gasket on the new filter
>> -Don't crush the new filter with a strap wrench
>> -Don't over-tighten or under-tighten the new filter
>> -Don't cross-thread the new filter
>> -Don't lose the drain plug in the oil container
>> -Remove the old drain plug gasket.
>> -Clean the surface where the drain plug gasket contact the oil pan
>> -Use a new drain plug gasket
>> -Use the right size and material of drain plug gasket
>> -Don't over-tighten or under-tighten the drain plug
>> -Don't cross thread the drain plug
>> -Use the proper weight oil
>> -Use the proper amount of oil
>> -Pour the oil into the right place
>> -Don't spill the new oil all over the engine
>> -Don't over-fill or under-fill
>> -Remember to put the drain plug back in before you put in the new oil
>> -Pour the used oil into containers for recycling without spilling it
>
> "Remember to put the drain plug back in before you put in the new oil"
> Ooooopps ... Did that once in my younger years. Got to BS ing with some
> friends, over a few cold ones, and forgot to put the plug back in. Once, is
> all it takes to get you to double check that.
>
> You left out, "don't let the little plastic ring, under the cap on the oil
> bottle, fall into the engine".

Good one, I forgot about that. I now instinctively remove that ring when
I remove the cap.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 4:33 pm
From: LittleAlex

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