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TOPIC: Welcome to the Working Week (was: Muammar hanging tough)
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 17 2011 10:45 pm
From: Catawumpus
[follow-ups set]
Billy <Wildbilly@withouta.net>:
> If you like weekends (8 hr./day & 40 hr./week), then thank a labor union.
> They paid for it in blood.
The 8-hour day and 40-hour week are close to a century old.
Not much progress in reducing them since then, so no thanks
due to unions or anybody else. ObBook: Studs Terkel, _Working_.
-- Catawumpus
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 10:49 am
From: Billy
In article <kimmerian-0B3F30.01452718042011@news.octanews.com>,
Catawumpus <kimmerian@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> [follow-ups set]
>
> Billy <Wildbilly@withouta.net>:
>
> > If you like weekends (8 hr./day & 40 hr./week), then thank a labor union.
> > They paid for it in blood.
>
> The 8-hour day and 40-hour week are close to a century old.
> Not much progress in reducing them since then, so no thanks
> due to unions or anybody else. ObBook: Studs Terkel, _Working_.
>
> -- Catawumpus
Funny you should mention Studs. You must know that he was as ardent an
labor union supporter as you could find. You must be thinking of the
National Association of Manufacturers.
National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) was founded in Cincinnati,
Ohio, in 1895. Most fundamentally, the organization sought to give
business an authoritative voice in the determination of governmental
policy. More particularly, born in the midst of the serious depression
of the mid-1890s, the NAM was dedicated initially to the protection of
the home market via the tariff and to the expansion of foreign trade by
such means as reform of the counselor service, the construction of an
isthmian canal, and a revamping of the U.S. merchant marine. In the wake
of the anthracite coal strike of 19021903, the association increasingly
turned its attention to combating the rise of organized labor. During
the 1920s, the NAM became a national leader in the business drive for
the open shop. The Great Depression hit the organization hard, however,
and its membership and revenues dropped precipitously.
The NAM retrenched and reasserted itself in the mid-1930s as the chief
business opponent of New Deal liberal activism. Its shrill nay-saying
failed to stop the torrent of reform legislation, but the organization
gained an enduring reputation for ideological rigor in its denunciation
of government regulation and the emergent welfare state.
In the postwar era the NAM played a significant role in the passage of
the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947, which placed new limits on organized
labor. Thereafter, the association remained one of the nation's most
prominent business lobbies, usually taking a harder, more ideological
line than such accommodationist, big-business groups as the Business
Roundtable. In 1974 the NAM moved its national headquarters from New
York City to Washington, D.C. At the end of the twentieth century the
organization had 14,000 member firms, including 10,000 small and midsize
companies, and 350 member associations.
Bibliography
Collins, Robert M. The Business Response to Keynes, 19291964. New York:
Columbia University Press, 1981.
Steigerwalt, Albert K. The National Association of Manufacturers,
18951914: A Study in Business Leadership. Ann Arbor: University of
Michigan Press, 1964.
Vogel, David. Fluctuating Fortunes: The Political Power of Business in
America. New York: Basic Books, 1989.
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Manufacturing in Decline; Establishment in Denial
Posted: 02/ 1/11 08:23 AM ET
The National Association of Manufacturers is trying to pull another fast
one.
Consider this presentation in favor of the proposed Korea-U.S. Free
Trade Agreement.
<http://www.nam.org/~/media/44DAEAA5A9044A62AD269C6E5270749E/FTAs_and_Job
s.pdf>
Let's take it apart, shall we?
(cont.)
Bush's 3rd term: Obama
If you like weekends (8 hr./day & 40 hr./week), then thank a labor union.
They paid for it in blood.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair>
===
--
- Billy
Dept. of Defense budget: $663.8 billion
Dept. of Health and Human Services budget: $78.4 billion
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 3:58 pm
From: Catawumpus
Catawumpus <kimmerian@fastmail.fm>:
>> The 8-hour day and 40-hour week are close to a century old.
>> Not much progress in reducing them since then, so no thanks
>> due to unions or anybody else. ObBook: Studs Terkel, _Working_.
Billy <Wildbilly@withouta.net>:
> Funny you should mention Studs. You must know that he was as ardent an
> labor union supporter as you could find.
Terkel supported labor unions -- not laboring. Here's how
_Working_ starts:
This book, being about work, is, by its very nature,
about violence‹to the spirit as well as to the body.
It is about ulcers as well as accidents, about shouting
matches as well as fistfights, about nervous breakdowns
as well as kicking the dog around. It is, above all
(or beneath all), about daily humiliations. To survive
the day is triumph enough for the walking wounded among
the great many of us.
The less of that the better, eh? He allows for "the happy
few who find a savor in their daily job," but strongly
emphasizes that most people aren't half so lucky about how they
get to spend their time.
As the automated pace of our daily jobs wipes out name
and face‹and, in many instances, feeling‹there is a
sacrilegeous question being asked these days. To earn
one's bread by the sweat of one's brow has always been
the lot of mankind. At least, ever since Eden's
slothful couple was served with an eviction notice. The
scriptural precept was never doubted, not out loud. No
matter how demeaning the task, no matter how it dulls
the senses and breaks the spirit, one must work. Or
else.
Lately there has been a questioning of this "work
ethic," especially by the young. Strangely enough, it
has touched off profound grievances in others, hitherto
devout, silent, and anonymous. Unexpected precincts are
being heard from in a show of discontent. Communique's
from the assembly line are frequent and alarming:
absenteeism. On the evening bus, the tense, pinched
faces of young file clerks and elderly secretaries tell
us more than we care to know. On the expressways,
middle management men pose without grace behind their
wheels as they flee city and job.
Studs Terkel, _Working_ xiii-xiv
-- Catawumpus
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 5:04 pm
From: Bryan
On Apr 18, 12:49 pm, Billy <Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
>
>
> Bush's 3rd term: Obama
I'm disappointed too, but Obama, Clinton and Carter have all had to
deal with the electorate, which is nowhere near as progressive as you
or I. To publicly brand Democratic presidents as Republican Lite
doesn't serve the interests of working class folks.
>
> If you like weekends (8 hr./day & 40 hr./week), then thank a labor union.
> They paid for it in blood.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair>
Gen. Patton said that it wasn't the soldier's job to die for his
country, but to make his opponent die for *his* country. Perhaps the
solution is to make the oligarch die for his wealth. Maybe the best
defense is a good offense.
>
> ===
> --
> - Billy
>
> Dept. of Defense budget: $663.8 billion
> Dept. of Health and Human Services budget: $78.4 billion
>
> Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
> - Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
If only the modern day Republicans longed for the days of the
Eisenhower presidency instead of taking a shit upon those words...
--Bryan
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TOPIC: Are cockroaches the instrument of the Devil or God?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 2:37 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Don Klipstein wrote
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>> They will, long after we are history, inherit the Earth, conquer all
>> the corners of the planet and fulfill God's command to multiply...
> In a world that God gave us, with laws of nature that Darwin explained a few of.
>> At first it seems like they are the instrument of God, but their
>> sheer ugliness suggests they are planted by the Devil to spoil the
>> design of God to make humans special.
> It appears to me that nature produced several other creatures
> at least as ugly, though less-considered-to-be vermin.
>> Something to think about before you crush the next cockroach that crosses your path.
> Cockroaches have been here 300 million years and survived many severe
> planetary climate change emergencies including the one that made
> dinosaurs extinct. They are said to be in good shape to still be
> here after even a bad case of a nuclear war.
> How do most supermarket-available spray insecticides kill tough urban
> roaches after mere decades of slight evolution not even forming new
> species? You have to smash them with the spray can!
Nope, works fine on mine just spraying them.
> Mice have a place in nature heavily to be food for the many
> creatures that eat mice. I think roaches are a lot less cute and less
> intelligent and more robot-like than mice. I doubt I injure my soul
> much by killing a roach, as long as I don't go out of my way to
> torture it or deploy any especially-torturing kinds of poisons or traps.
> There is also the matter that stepping on roaches will not
> exterminate them from this world if nuclear wars and the
> planetary cataclysms of the past 300 million years can't.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 6:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 18, 1:37 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <3eaa4e87-0e5e-4692-b13c-c7f3b8a01...@f11g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >They will, long after we are history, inherit the Earth, conquer all
> >the corners of the planet and fulfill God's command to multiply...
>
> In a world that God gave us, with laws of nature that Darwin explained
> a few of.
>
> >At first it seems like they are the instrument of God, but their sheer
> >ugliness suggests they are planted by the Devil to spoil the design of
> >God to make humans special.
>
> It appears to me that nature produced several other creatures at least
> as ugly, though less-considered-to-be vermin.
>
> >Something to think about before you crush the next cockroach that
> >crosses your path.
>
> Cockroaches have been here 300 million years and survived many severe
> planetary climate change emergencies including the one that made dinosaurs
> extinct. They are said to be in good shape to still be here after even a
> bad case of a nuclear war.
> How do most supermarket-available spray insecticides kill tough urban
> roaches after mere decades of slight evolution not even forming new
> species? You have to smash them with the spray can!
>
> Mice have a place in nature heavily to be food for the many creatures
> that eat mice. I think roaches are a lot less cute and less intelligent
> and more robot-like than mice. I doubt I injure my soul much by killing a
> roach, as long as I don't go out of my way to torture it or deploy any
> especially-torturing kinds of poisons or traps.
>
> There is also the matter that stepping on roaches will not exterminate
> them from this world if nuclear wars and the planetary cataclysms of the
> past 300 million years can't.
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Mice are our relatives. Even psychology is tested on them. I have
three and they behave in human ways, and they fight and also groom
each other.
I read this study where mice get addicted to the wheel just as we do.
So we must enshrined the Might Mouse. ;)
On Apr 18, 4:35 am, "Pepsi" <Pe...@coke.com> wrote:
> They are instruments of god.
> As for instruments of the devil - you're thinking of republicans.
What!? You must be talking about the same Christians too!
Anyway, "Just beware where you step. They have been here before you."
http://www.zazzle.com/cockroach_tshirt-235599449393032571
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 10:45 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 18, 9:28 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> GOD IS A BIG COCKROACH!
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/cockroach_tshirt-235599449393032571
I know the "community" where I live is made for cockroaches. Garbage
is piling up with little regard to civilization. It's only when you go
to Gated Communities that you find beauty and cleanliness.
Roaches also will be fine around the Fukushima plant. Only in places
like Norway there's little space for them. They have no need for
nuclear power and tolerate no garbage.
But "THE WORLD IS MADE FOR COCKROACHES" thus it's only a matter of
time before they take over.
Enough wisdom... time to go under the mango tree.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 3:08 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 18, 5:14 pm, Earle Jones <earle.jo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <TJSqp.8138$Ot6.3...@newsfe15.iad>, "Pepsi" <Pe...@coke.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:505d1d10-10ae-4edc-90d7-509c918419da@v16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> > > They will, long after we are history, inherit the Earth, conquer all
> > > the corners of the planet and fulfill God's command to multiply...
>
> > > At first it seems like they are the instrument of God, but their sheer
> > > ugliness suggests they are planted by the Devil to spoil the design of
> > > God to make humans special.
>
> > > Something to think about before you crush the next cockroach that
> > > crosses your path.
>
> > They are instruments of god.
> > As for instruments of the devil - you're thinking of republicans.
>
> *
> Do you know why boots in Texas have pointed toes?
>
> So you can get the cockroaches in the corner.
Texas has a lot of Mexican traditions...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Xk5xOkHV8
But I didn't know about the boots.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 7:34 pm
From: bosco
On 2011-04-18 07:25:02 -0600, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the
Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> said:
> On Apr 18, 1:37 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>> In <3eaa4e87-0e5e-4692-b13c-c7f3b8a01...@f11g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> They will, long after we are history, inherit the Earth, conquer all
>>> the corners of the planet and fulfill God's command to multiply...
>>
>> In a world that God gave us, with laws of nature that Darwin explaine
> d
>> a few of.
>>
>>> At first it seems like they are the instrument of God, but their sheer
>>> ugliness suggests they are planted by the Devil to spoil the design of
>>> God to make humans special.
>>
>> It appears to me that nature produced several other creatures at leas
> t
>> as ugly, though less-considered-to-be vermin.
>>
>>> Something to think about before you crush the next cockroach that
>>> crosses your path.
>>
>> Cockroaches have been here 300 million years and survived many severe
>> planetary climate change emergencies including the one that made dinosaur
> s
>> extinct. They are said to be in good shape to still be here after even
> a
>> bad case of a nuclear war.
>> How do most supermarket-available spray insecticides kill tough urban
>> roaches after mere decades of slight evolution not even forming new
>> species? You have to smash them with the spray can!
>>
>> Mice have a place in nature heavily to be food for the many creatures
>> that eat mice. I think roaches are a lot less cute and less intelligen
> t
>> and more robot-like than mice. I doubt I injure my soul much by killin
> g a
>> roach, as long as I don't go out of my way to torture it or deploy any
>> especially-torturing kinds of poisons or traps.
>>
>> There is also the matter that stepping on roaches will not exterminat
> e
>> them from this world if nuclear wars and the planetary cataclysms of the
>> past 300 million years can't.
>> --
>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>
> Mice are our relatives. Even psychology is tested on them. I have
> three and they behave in human ways, and they fight and also groom
> each other.
>
> I read this study where mice get addicted to the wheel just as we do.
> So we must enshrined the Might Mouse. ;)
>
> On Apr 18, 4:35 am, "Pepsi" <Pe...@coke.com> wrote:
>
>> They are instruments of god.
>> As for instruments of the devil - you're thinking of republicans.
>
> What!? You must be talking about the same Christians too!
>
> Anyway, "Just beware where you step. They have been here before you."
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/cockroach_tshirt-235599449393032571
We Humans conveniently forget that we are related to every living thing
and everything that died before we were born. It is estimated that in
every ten breaths we breath in a few air molecules that were breathed
by Jesus. We shed tens of thousands of skin cells a day. We inhale
countless things that would gross us out if we could examine them as
they happen. We eat bugs in our sleep, or when we have our mouths open
outside. Bugs are part of our diet, via the grains we are so fond of.
We are conditioned and have preconceived notions of beauty, ourselves
and our neighberhoods, no matter how large our neighborhood may be.
Who taught us that roaches are ugly, and dogs, cats, or horses can be
pleasing to the eye? The same conditioning that taught us Beef,
Chicken, and Fish, are the only meats many of are willing to eat.
Stepping out a few tens of thousands of miles from earth, we would see
we are a spec on a blue and white marble. It is all in the conditioning
and perception. In all likelyhood God could really care less as it is
all God's creation and we are but a tiny slice of it.
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TOPIC: The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 5:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >http://bikeflorida.org/wordpress/
>
> > > > Same article above:
>
> > > > "In my day job I'm an editorial writer for the Gainesville Sun. I've
> > > > lost count of the number of editorials I've written over the years
> > > > about distracted driving. I am continually amazed at the cynicism
> > > > imbued in our political process that allows our legislators to, year
> > > > after year, ignore the deadly statistics associated with distracted
> > > > driving. Ban hand-held cell phone use while driving? Outlaw texting
> > > > while driving? That might annoy voters who like to do all three at
> > > > once."
>
> > > > So find a quiet beach or park if you are not playing Russian Roulette
> > > > with your life, and remember the wisdom of the Beach Cruiser...
>
> > > April is distracted driver awareness month.
>
> > I think it's better to have them try a beach cruiser.
>
> They can pry my handlebars out of my cold dead hands.
>
> Bret Cahill
Use gloves and winter gear... But the beach cruiser is the ultimate
bike for reckless drivers. ;)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 18 2011 10:41 pm
From: Jym Dyer
Digested-and-Excreted-Banana-For-Brains writes:
> Read the comments from *all over the nation* before denying
> everything. What is this, false too?
>
> "Last September, in Maryland, Natasha Pettigrew, a Green Party
> candidate for U.S. Senate, was training at dawn for a triathlon
> when she was fatally struck by a Cadillac Escalade. ..."
=v= I do keep on top of the nation's bicycle news, and I got
word of this from reputable sources last September, when it
happened. Such sources did not attempt to turn this tragedy
into some kind of support for their agenda of spreading fear
about an insane concocted fictional Bermuda Triangle scenario.
(For the record, one data point proves nothing whatsover, hard
as that may be for insane scenario-concocters to comprehend.)
=v= Let me also add that I would never dream of abiding by any
imperative "Read ..." statement from this lunatic, who first
went by the name "Millenium Twain" and is now rotating his
moniker so as to insult Tibetans, primates, beaches, cruisers,
philosophy, majesty, comandantes, and the venerable banana.
=v= I hope to disabuse this character of any delusion that I
bother to read any of his stuff. In fact I usually employ a
convoluted tangle of Lisp to ignore not only his (generally
totally off-topic cross-)postings and any subthread that he
participates in. The downside of this approach is that I have,
over time, stored this nutcase's every Message-ID. Given his
obvious OCD and shear output, it has grown into a *plonk*file
of enormous proportions. I have cleared it out to start anew,
which is why I'm even in this thread.
=v= So in conclusion, go and do likewise, share and enjoy.
<_Jym_>
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