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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 8:43 pm
From: "h"

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hi8o4i$lgb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
> news:hi7sn5$euh$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> "Napoleon" <anarch@666yes.net> wrote in message
>> news:7seek51a0s9qkoe6h9up4ettjndmp06avu@4ax.com...
>> > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:26:18 -0500, "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I don't know what Napolean's definition of groceries is, but at
> $175/month
>> >>for two people, it seems doubtful that non-food items are included.
>> >
>> > It includes non-food items. But I will add an extra 20 a month for
>> > additional milk, bread, or cat food at times. So that is about $195 a
>> > month, including all non-food items.
>>
>> The two of us spend almost exactly $200/month on food, toiletries, and
> paper
>> products, etc. combined, including food, treats, and litter for our three
>> cats. We low carb, so we buy practically no prepared foods. We eat meat,
>> dairy, and vegetables with some fruit as dessert and not much else. We
> make
>> most things from scratch including mustard, salad dressing, etc., but
>> mayo
>> is one of the few "prepared" foods I buy.
>
> Since you're "into" cooking, I'm a little surprised that you buy mayo -
> it's
> extremely simple to make with a blender and takes maybe 5 minutes. It's
> maybe a little longer with an electric mixer, but not much.
>

I've found that homemade mayo doesn't keep as long, and I hate making really
tiny batches of anything.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 3:41 am
From: clams_casino

3877 wrote:

>clams_casino wrote:
>
>
>>Joe Negron wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 2010-01-07, Ablang <ron916@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>20 Ways to Cut Your Grocery Bills
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>5. Drink tap water. Almost all municipal water in America is so good
>>>>that nobody ever needs to drink water from Italy or France (or
>>>>Maine, for that matter). Getting the recommended eight glasses a
>>>>day from
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>This is a myth. Google "eight glasses water daily myth" or
>>>check snopes.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids
>>(drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
>>
>>
>
>Still wrong in winter without house heating.
>
>
>
>
any cites? or just your opinion?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 3:44 am
From: clams_casino

h wrote:

>"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hi8o4i$lgb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>
>>Since you're "into" cooking, I'm a little surprised that you buy mayo -
>>it's
>>extremely simple to make with a blender and takes maybe 5 minutes. It's
>>maybe a little longer with an electric mixer, but not much.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I've found that homemade mayo doesn't keep as long, and I hate making really
>tiny batches of anything.
>
>
>
>
Bingo - a $2 (frequent sale price) jar (30 oz) of mayo (only Cains will
do for us) will last us at least 6 months.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 3:59 am
From: clams_casino

Lou wrote:

>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>news:1It1n.2658$ZB2.787@newsfe13.iad...
>
>
>>Joe Negron wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 2010-01-07, Ablang <ron916@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>20 Ways to Cut Your Grocery Bills
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>5. Drink tap water. Almost all municipal water in America is so good
>>>>that nobody ever needs to drink water from Italy or France (or Maine,
>>>>for that matter). Getting the recommended eight glasses a day from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>This is a myth. Google "eight glasses water daily myth" or check
>>>snopes.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids (drinks,
>>vegetables, fruits, etc).
>>
>>
>
>Since suffering through my third kidney stone a few weeks ago, I've been
>seeing a urologist. He recommends 96 ounces (3 US quarts) of fluid a day,
>and recommends it be mostly, if not all, water. But it's really just a rule
>of thumb, how much fluid a person needs varies with circumstance - someone
>running a marathon on a hot summer day requires more water than those
>watching TV on a cold winter night. A possibly better rule of thumb is to
>produce 3 quarts of urine a day - again, that will require drinking more
>fluids on hot active days than on cool, inactive ones.
>
>The "eight glasses" a day standard means next to nothing - a "glass" isn't a
>standard unit of measure, and beverage glasses in my kitchen cupboard run
>from four to sixteen ounces apiece.
>
>
>
>
"To replace daily losses of water, an average-sized adult with healthy
kidneys sitting in a temperate climate needs no more than one liter of
fluid...the equivalent of about four 8-ounce (250 ml) glasses."

"Determine how much water you need. You've probably heard the "8 by 8"
rule - drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water per day (2 quarts, 1.8
liters) - but the amount of water a person needs varies depending on his
or her weight, activity level and climate. Another way to determine your
specific recommended water intake is to divide your weight (in pounds)
by two. The resulting number is the number of ounces of water you need
each day. For example, if you weigh 150 lbs., strive to drink 75 ounces
of water daily. For those who use the Metric system, divide your weight
(in kilograms) by 30 (ex. somebody weighing 70 kg is going to need 2.3
liters per day). Keep in mind that these recommended intake numbers are
controversial and some experts believe they are a gross exaggeration."

Obviously, everyone's optimum intake depends on a number of variables
including weight, environment and one's activities. Nevertheless, the
liquid can be from sources other than simply straight water.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:28 am
From: Michael Black

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010, clams_casino wrote:

> h wrote:
>
>> "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hi8o4i$lgb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>>
>>> Since you're "into" cooking, I'm a little surprised that you buy mayo -
>>> it's
>>> extremely simple to make with a blender and takes maybe 5 minutes. It's
>>> maybe a little longer with an electric mixer, but not much.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've found that homemade mayo doesn't keep as long, and I hate making
>> really tiny batches of anything.
>>
>>
> Bingo - a $2 (frequent sale price) jar (30 oz) of mayo (only Cains will do
> for us) will last us at least 6 months.

An important factor is that there seems division, some who make
everything, no matter what, while others who buy readymade, no matter
what.

The reality is it's a variable. Some things look really hard to make,
but in reality are easy to make, and get you that thing far cheaper than
buying. Other things have some sort of fallout, and the cost of buying
manufactured isn't that high.

I made tofu for about 2 years a quarter century ago. I stopped not so
much because the tofu making was difficult, but that it required an awful
lot of cleaning up, made harder because soy milk seemed to require a
higher level of scrubbing than many other things. Another factor was that
in order to have a decent amount of tofu, I was using the largest pot
around, and that took quite some time to get up to the proper temperature.
If I wanted more tofu, I would have needed a much larger pot (and it
already seemed quite large). Making more tofu on that scale pretty much
required doing the process twice, which did mean twice as much work.

Meanwhile, tofu was fairly cheap in stores, and having made it myself, I
could appreciate the price at the store.

Then about five years later, I finally tried making Seitan, which is
flavored wheat gluten. You take water and flour, and make a mix, then
basically wash out the starch and bran. Before I tried it, all the
instructions I saw made it look very complicated, likely because the
instructions were very step by step. When I finally tried it, it was
far easier than the instructions made it seem. It was fun to make, not
unlike kneeding bread dough, and I came up with a decent amount of
"product" for the effort. Seitan carried a higher price than tofu at
the store, and you got less for the money. It seemed like a reasonable
thing to make myself.

The trick is, it often is well worth trying to make something once, and
using that experience to evaluate whether to do it. You learn from the
experience, even if what you learn is that you never want to make it
again, you then have decided that paying for the item is worth the cost.

Michael

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 2:16 pm
From: "3877" <3877@nospam.com>

clams_casino wrote:
> 3877 wrote:
>
>> clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Joe Negron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2010-01-07, Ablang <ron916@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 20 Ways to Cut Your Grocery Bills
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Drink tap water. Almost all municipal water in America is so
>>>>> good that nobody ever needs to drink water from Italy or France
>>>>> (or Maine, for that matter). Getting the recommended eight
>>>>> glasses a day from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>> This is a myth. Google "eight glasses water daily myth" or
>>>> check snopes.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It should really be six to eight equivalent glasses of liquids
>>> (drinks, vegetables, fruits, etc).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Still wrong in winter without house heating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> any cites? or just your opinion?

Do not need a cite for something as basic as what is needed varying significantly between summer and winter.

That is obviously not just opinion, it is trivially establishable fact.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 2:50 am
From: Western Voice

Usury: A Short History of Banking

http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/usury.gif

Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...

In the old days there was no paper money. The accepted token of
exchange was precious metal minted into coins by the Church and the
Crown. Because there was only a limited amount of gold and silver
available, the economic life of the nation had a certain regularity.

An even greater restriction existed throughout Christendom. This was a
prohibition against usury, or charging interest. The Church held it to
be a grave sin and the code was upheld by the civil powers. There were
harsh penalties for those who broke the law.

The regulation of usury was to prevent the separation of money from
reality. Money is not a good, it is a measure. It is fraud to pretend
otherwise, and constitutes theft. Usury is making money from lending
money; it is making money from nothing. This is exactly what is
happening today on a colossal scale.

Several important things arose from the prohibition of usury in
medieval Christendom. Firstly Jews, who had taken to wandering around
Europe in the Middle Ages, began to specialize in money-lending and
other practices which were forbidden to Christians. Exploited
Christians, both peasants and aristocracy, found themselves being bled
dry by usurers, which is why there were sporadic uprisings,
imprisonments and expulsions of Jews throughout Europe. It is one
reason why King Edward I expelled these perfidious people from England
in 1290. Oliver Cromwell allowed them back when the moral authority of
the Church was undermined and the King was beheaded in 1649.

Secondly, gold coins, jewels and other valuables were deposited with
people who held strongboxes. This was usually with goldsmiths and
money-lenders who, more often than not, were one and the same. These
loan-sharks and scriveners realized that, without much chance of being
found out, they could charge people for looking after their deposits
and then use those deposits – which did not belong to them – to make
loans to other people at interest. They soon became rich and powerful.

Gold coins are heavy and awkward to carry around so the custom arose
whereby the money-lenders would issue credit notes to depositors who
began to trade these notes between themselves in commercial
transactions. Paper money had come into existence.

A new form of usury developed as the swindling money-lenders realized
the immoral benefits that could be obtained from such a situation. It
became apparent to these thieves that they could go one step further
than dishonestly using other people's money for financial advantage at
no cost to themselves. They could invent money from absolutely
nothing. They could issue credit notes with nothing to back them up
and put them into circulation as interest-bearing debts. No-one would
be any the wiser. They calculated that they could safely issue notes
for up to ten times more than the gold deposits they held, because the
depositors would never ask for their deposits back all at the same
time.

The principle of modern banking was thus established: invent money
from nothing, put it into circulation as "running cash notes" that
have to be paid back with real wealth that is produced from our
labour, sit back and become unbelievably wealthy and powerful men:
hidden rulers of nations.

In England this deceitful system was officially sanctioned in 1694.
The usurper of the throne, William of Orange, had overthrown the
legitimate King James II with the financial backing and plotting of
powerful Jewish financiers in Amsterdam. In return he gave the
sovereignty of England to a group of financiers by means of a Charter
allowing them to call themselves the Bank of England. The Charter made
no mention of issuing the nation's money, but within minutes of
signing the new Bank officials were discussing the form of their
"running cash notes." The same system was adopted in every country by
a process of Masonic revolution and manipulation.

FREEMASONRY AND COMMUNISM

Socialist theorists and ideologues have never attacked the essential
mechanism of capitalism. Although the injustices of the capitalist
system have been attacked in volume after volume, and rightly so, they
have never even hinted at the usury upon which the whole system is
built and from which all the other injustices stem.

Perhaps this is because so many Communist leaders are Jewish. Most of
the 'Russian Revolutionists' of 1917 were actually Jews from the lower
east side of New York City. Two hundred and seventy-five of them were
conveyed to Russia aboard the S.S. Christiana, led by Trotsky and
financed by Kuhns, Loebs, Schiffs and Warburgs. This cosy circle of
Jews and Freemasons financed both sides of the Great War.

Marx and Engels, two more Jews, wrote the Communist Manifesto on
behalf of a secret society calling themselves 'The League of Just
Men.' This secret society was an arm of the Illuminati, whose power
and influence was the catalyst of the French Revolution. One of the
founding members of the Illuminati was the House of Rothschild, the
Jewish banking house which practically invented supra-nationalism for
personal profit.

THE SITUATION TODAY

Nowadays banking has become extremely sophisticated but the hidden and
usurious mechanism behind it remains the same. After a big enquiry,
hushed up as much as possible, the Bank of England was nationalised in
1946. In theory control of the Bank of England should then have passed
from a group of private individuals to the British Government, but
this is still not the case. Nationalisation only added a thin veneer
of respectability.

The British Treasury, in conjunction with the Bank of England's
advisers to the Government, determine how much paper money and coin
will be issued each year. This has to accord with the wealth of the
nation for that year. But because banknotes and coins only account for
a tiny percentage of financial transactions, it makes no difference to
the bankers at all. Most financial transactions are carried out with
abstract figures on a computer screen that have no relationship to
real wealth. Everything has to be paid for at interest though – even
when it doesn't exist!

The Government still has to pay interest on old and new loans from the
Bank. Only a few years ago it was announced that the interest debt on
a loan taken during the Napoleonic War had just been paid off! This is
where much of our tax money goes.

THE NEXT STAGE

The next stage of development for international finance is to get rid
of cash altogether. Then the token accountability of the bankers will
disappear along with the cash. Their intention is that everyone will
have to use credit/debit cards for every type of commercial
transaction.

Electronic technology, when used this way, and when it is not merely
widespread but compulsory, will give them complete control of every
man, woman and child in the world. If you cannot buy or sell – food,
petrol, clothes – without a card you are completely at their mercy. If
you lose the card or it doesn't work for some reason you will suffer
until issued with a replacement. If you make a protest against some
particular injustice they could invalidate your card. The next time
you go to the supermarket your card may not work. You won't officially
exist!

Who benefits from such a scheme? The politicians or the bankers? To
ask the question is to answer it. The Bank of England is the real, but
hidden, government of the country. The Government and the politicians
are merely puppets controlled by the Bank – or, more accurately, the
international banking families. None of our cowardly politicians dare
stand up to these hidden and unelected rulers of the world, so
powerful have they become. Two American presidents, possibly three,
were assassinated for attempting to do so. It is far easier for them
to submit to the system and enjoy a rich life than expose the real
tyrants: tyrants who cause high taxes, unemployment, war, famine and
misery for the rest of us. But these despots of the New World Order
forget that Truth is more powerful than they could ever become. And
Truth brings Justice!

The pen is mightier than the pound! This article first appeared in
issue 5 of 'The Anvil,' published by The Third Position, BCM ITP,
London, WC1N 3XX.

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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 6:35 pm
From: "Strider"

"Coffee's For Closers" <Usenet2009@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
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> Publicly identifying the winner makes it look more real. "Yes,
> there is a real person, named Sally Jones, of Slumville, who got
> a huge pile of cash handed to her. Listen to her tell you how
> great it is, and what she will spend it on."
>
> That helps to feed the public's fantasies. They can see that,
> the winner was an schmuck just like themselves. And therefore
> feel that, "Hey, if s/he can win, then I can, too."

It also proves that the lottery is legitimate; IOW, there really are actual
winners. Recall in Orwell's "1984" the Ministry of Plenty's lottery was a
scam, because only very small prizes were ever awarded. The "big winners"
were in fact nonexistent persons a la "Comrade Ogilvy."

> Naturally, the folks running lotteries never publicise stories
> about chronic players who lose money. And how the few winners are
> only possible because of the large number of losers. They also
> don't like to talk about the winners who blow it all in a few
> years, ending up with nothing, or even massive debt. Because
> people who buy lottery tickets (including the winners) are, by
> definition, irrational with money.

And since when is it their duty to publicize losers? As for what the
winners did with their $$ afterward, that's no one's business (or
responsibility) but the winners themselves. And no, not everyone who wins a
large sum of $$ is by definition irrational. FYI, there are plenty of
professional and amateur gamblers who have won a mint and managed their
fortunes quite well.
In fact, the *truly* irrational rich people are black athletes. They're the
ones most likely to be flat broke within a year or two of their careers
ending because they never saved a dime and squandered everything on "the four
B's" -- booze, bimbos, blow and bling (http://tinyurl.com/sbpdl22). They're
the ones famous for throwing C-notes into the air at bars & strip clubs like
so much confetti (http://tinyurl.com/sbpdl602). During the 1998-99 NBA
lockout Patrick Ewing talked about setting up a players' relief fund; would
that be even remotely necessary if those players had any financial
self-discipline at all? Of course, lots of NBA salary goes to supporting
legions of illegitimate children, which is another consequence of
non-existent self-discipline (http://tinyurl.com/sbpdl155 and
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relief fund during the 2004-05 lockout, and that one killed the whole season,
not just part of it.

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From: "Strider"

"L.enona" <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e87aedc7-1bb3-467e-94df-ca051f0c4d78@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...

>Quote I found:
>
>"Lottery: the closest we have to a tax on stupidity."
>
>(And a depressing one, too, every time you choose to play.)

Actually there's *occasionally* times when playing certain lottery games is
a good idea -- namely, when the payout exceeds the odds.
For example, the Florida Lotto picks six numbers from 1-53. That makes the
odds 1 in 22,957,480. Check it out in the Windows Calculator: 53!/(47!*6!).
So if the jackpot rolls over enough times to >=$22 million, buying a ticket
actually makes sense. Same principle as calling vs. folding in poker. If the
pot odds are at least as high as the odds of getting the right card, you
should stay; otherwise, you should fold.

Strider

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 8:05 pm
From: Balvenieman

"Strider" <fgevqre1955@tznvy.pbz> wrote:

>For example, the Florida Lotto picks six numbers from 1-53. That makes the
>odds 1 in 22,957,480. Check it out in the Windows Calculator: 53!/(47!*6!).
>So if the jackpot rolls over enough times to >=$22 million, buying a ticket
>actually makes sense. Same principle as calling vs. folding in poker. If the
>pot odds are at least as high as the odds of getting the right card, you
>should stay; otherwise, you should fold.
So _you're_ the guy the lottery's made for! Don't want to break
your bubble but the odds of any combination "hitting" in any individual
draw are precisely the same as they were of hitting on any previous draw
and as they are of hitting on the next and on any future draws. That a
number of successive draws has produced no winner does not effect the
chance that any future draw will or will not. That's the whole point to
a lottery: It is the purest sucker-bait. The mounting jackpot, coupled
with the unchanging odds, causes more suckers buy tickets who wouldn't
otherwise have and induces the fools and addicts to buy more tickets
than they usually do in the belief that their, for example, 100
additional tickets is significant against the 22,957,380 possible
combinations that they _didn't_ buy. Buying additional tickets is more
likely to increase the risk of sharing a jackpot than it does the
probability of picking the winning combination. Did you ever wonder why
private lotteries, raffles and most "sweepstakes" are illegal? The only
variables are the weights of the balls, of which the sets are rotated
frequently enough to discourage counters, and among the various machines
used, which also change.
Stay away from the poker table, too. You are confusing pot odds
with the odds of winning. There is no direct relationship, although,
both must be taken into account to determine ones expectation of
winning.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 9:08 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<d7ec98f9-aca1-44c1-9f75-16e3ca1e4f57@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
meteore <bigrog98@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a novice cook and have limited skills when it comes to cooking,
> as I am newly widowed.
>
> I am looking for a site that can provide me with EASY and QUICK ways
> to cook chicken legs etc., with a minimum of effort.
>
> Some people have a low opinion of cooks.com and am seeking an
> alternate site.
>
> Your input for better recipe sites would greatly be appreciated.

Try posting your question on the rec.food.cooking group.

One of my favorite ways to cook chicken legs is easy and quick. You take
four or five chicken legs and sear them in a hot non-stick pan with a
bit of olive oil until the skin turns a golden brown. This takes just a
few minutes. I then lower the flame and pour in enough tomato sauce
(from a jar) to reach about halfway up the chicken legs. I then spoon
some of the sauce on top of the legs, sprinkle with garlic powder,
freshly ground pepper, and a pinch or two of dried oregano. I cover the
pan and let the legs simmer for ten minutes, then I turn the legs over
in the pan, spoon some of the sauce on the legs, cover the pan and let
the legs simmer for another 20 minutes or so until they are fork tender.
this goes great over pasta or steamed rice with a green salad and some
garlic bread.

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