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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 12:24 am
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TOPIC: Maximizing Welfare
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 2:30 am
From: clams_casino
Bruce C. Miller wrote:
>What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
>Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
>is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
>or any red tape they put you through to get it.
>
>Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
>benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>
Best state for welfare is obvious AK where wealth is redistributed from
the oil companies to every resident.
Best approach to maximizing welfare (receiving money from the
government) is getting $12k in tax-free healthcare by finding an
employer who provides healthcare and purchasing a home with tax
deductible interest / property taxes and later selling that home with
tax free gains - such subsidies far exceed anything you might get via
Medicare and/or rent subsidies.
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 8:48 am
From: Dennis
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:30:46 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Best approach to maximizing welfare (receiving money from the
>government) is getting $12k in tax-free healthcare by finding an
>employer who provides healthcare and purchasing a home with tax
>deductible interest / property taxes and later selling that home with
>tax free gains - such subsidies far exceed anything you might get via
>Medicare and/or rent subsidies.
Again with your silly socialist blather.
One more time: keeping some of your own money is completely different
from being handed a share of someone else's money.
Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 9:19 am
From: clams_casino
Dennis wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:30:46 -0500, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Best approach to maximizing welfare (receiving money from the
>>government) is getting $12k in tax-free healthcare by finding an
>>employer who provides healthcare and purchasing a home with tax
>>deductible interest / property taxes and later selling that home with
>>tax free gains - such subsidies far exceed anything you might get via
>>Medicare and/or rent subsidies.
>>
>>
>
>Again with your silly socialist blather.
>
>One more time: keeping some of your own money is completely different
>from being handed a share of someone else's money.
>
>
>
>
Without my tax free healthcare, government subsidized housing and low
taxed unearned income, I'm not sure how I'd ever have put my kids
through college & still have been able to retire at 52.
(I'm still trying to find anyone who pays no taxes - not sure it's even
possible.)
Then again, according to the McCain / Republican $250K threshold for
middle class, I never realized I've lived my whole life in poverty.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 12:14 pm
From: jim mac
In article <njfPk.38455$OT2.26587@newsfe01.iad>,
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Bruce C. Miller wrote:
>
> >What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
> >Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
> >is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
> >or any red tape they put you through to get it.
> >
> >Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
> >benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
> >
> >Thanks for any info.
> >
> >
>
>
> Best state for welfare is obvious AK where wealth is redistributed from
> the oil companies to every resident.
And we give it back to the oil companies, people in Fairbanks
are jumping for joy because fuel oil is under 3 dollars a gallon
and in smaller towns the cost is more then double. And a
9 month + heating season.
>
> Best approach to maximizing welfare (receiving money from the
> government) is getting $12k in tax-free healthcare by finding an
> employer who provides healthcare and purchasing a home with tax
> deductible interest / property taxes and later selling that home with
> tax free gains - such subsidies far exceed anything you might get via
> Medicare and/or rent subsidies.
--
spell 'usenet' backward for e-mail
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 12:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Bruce C. Miller wrote
>> Cashing a welfare check, on the other hand, is 100% profit (or almost, like in the case where you have to pretend to
>> be looking for a job).
> Unemployment insurance isn't free just because it's not a line item on
> your paycheck. You paid for it, so there's no shame in collecting it.
Plenty of shame in choosing to bludge on welfare when you can work.
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 12:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Dennis wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:30:46 -0500, clams_casino
>> <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Best approach to maximizing welfare (receiving money from the
>>> government) is getting $12k in tax-free healthcare by finding an
>>> employer who provides healthcare and purchasing a home with tax
>>> deductible interest / property taxes and later selling that home
>>> with tax free gains - such subsidies far exceed anything you might
>>> get via Medicare and/or rent subsidies.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Again with your silly socialist blather.
>>
>> One more time: keeping some of your own money is completely different
>> from being handed a share of someone else's money.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Without my tax free healthcare, government subsidized housing and low
> taxed unearned income, I'm not sure how I'd ever have put my kids
> through college & still have been able to retire at 52.
> (I'm still trying to find anyone who pays no taxes - not sure it's even possible.)
Corse its possible. Grow what you eat, ride a bicycle that you got free from Craig's list etc.
> Then again, according to the McCain / Republican $250K threshold for middle class, I never realized I've lived my
> whole life in poverty.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 1:31 pm
From: Dennis
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:19:05 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Dennis wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:30:46 -0500, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Best approach to maximizing welfare (receiving money from the
>>>government) is getting $12k in tax-free healthcare by finding an
>>>employer who provides healthcare and purchasing a home with tax
>>>deductible interest / property taxes and later selling that home with
>>>tax free gains - such subsidies far exceed anything you might get via
>>>Medicare and/or rent subsidies.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Again with your silly socialist blather.
>>
>>One more time: keeping some of your own money is completely different
>>from being handed a share of someone else's money.
>>
>>
>
>Without my tax free healthcare, government subsidized housing and low
>taxed unearned income, I'm not sure how I'd ever have put my kids
>through college & still have been able to retire at 52.
Well done.
And yet there are those who maintain that politicians and bureaucrats
would have known how to spend that money better than you did. What
nonsense!
>(I'm still trying to find anyone who pays no taxes - not sure it's even
>possible.)
>
>Then again, according to the McCain / Republican $250K threshold for
>middle class, I never realized I've lived my whole life in poverty.
Take heart -- to hear Obama/Biden tell it, the threshold has already
dropped through $200K and is now down to only $150K. At that rate, I
bet by early next year lots of folks will be rich!
Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 1:55 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>> Bruce C. Miller wrote
>
>>> Cashing a welfare check, on the other hand, is 100% profit (or almost, like in the case where you have to pretend to
>>> be looking for a job).
>
>> Unemployment insurance isn't free just because it's not a line item on
>> your paycheck. You paid for it, so there's no shame in collecting it.
>
> Plenty of shame in choosing to bludge on welfare when you can work.
>
Does not apply to you,welfare boy, as you are unemployable.
>
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 5:24 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>> Bruce C. Miller wrote
>
>>> Cashing a welfare check, on the other hand, is 100% profit (or almost, like in the case where you have to pretend to
>>> be looking for a job).
>
>> Unemployment insurance isn't free just because it's not a line item on
>> your paycheck. You paid for it, so there's no shame in collecting it.
>
> Plenty of shame in choosing to bludge on welfare when you can work.
There's a difference in the US. Not in Oz?
--
Cheers,
Bev
***********************************************
"A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign
that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 5:03 pm
From: Marsha
Bob F wrote:
> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:ge5iha$5el$1@news.datemas.de...
>>If you wait until Obama gets elected, anyone will be able to collect for any
>>reason in any state for an unlimited amount of time.
>
>
> It is amazing, the lies that the republican voters will swallow. You just make
> things up and state them as fact. Over and over. As if if you repeat them
> enough, they will become real.
>
It may be a bit of an exageration, I'll give you that, but not much.
History repeats itself.
Marsha/Ohio
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TOPIC: Sound Insulate my computer?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 3:57 am
From: "Bob F"
"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:j9Wdnf5zH4retZDUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article
> <8a4aa947-5154-4b41-9e1c-e2daa651fa03@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>>On Nov 1, 4:21 pm, MarkPH...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> hi all,
>
>>> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
>>> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
>
>>> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
>>> any ideas?
>
>>Now that you mention it and I concentrate on it, I can hear mine too.
> [ ... ]
>
> Go into your BIOS setup and look for fan control options. If your fans
> are four-wire devices, the motherboard can control their speed based
> upon temperature. This can make a huge difference in noise.
Sililar to my solution. 99% of the time, my CPU fan runs at 30%, using the free
program "SpeedFan".
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 3:59 am
From: "Bob F"
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:gek4hn$8rq$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
> news:j9Wdnf5zH4retZDUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
>> In article
>> <8a4aa947-5154-4b41-9e1c-e2daa651fa03@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Nov 1, 4:21 pm, MarkPH...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> hi all,
>>
>>>> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
>>>> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
>>
>>>> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
>>>> any ideas?
>>
>>>Now that you mention it and I concentrate on it, I can hear mine too.
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Go into your BIOS setup and look for fan control options. If your fans
>> are four-wire devices, the motherboard can control their speed based
>> upon temperature. This can make a huge difference in noise.
>
> Sililar to my solution. 99% of the time, my CPU fan runs at 30%, using the
> free program "SpeedFan".
> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>
>
I should add, I believe my power supply has its own fan speed control, which
also runs slow most of the time.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 6:06 am
From: Jeff
MarkPHd21@gmail.com wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
You can replace the cooling fans and the power supply, but all that will
be a fair expense.
Forget about sound insulation.
I suggest instead that you move the computer. Get a wireless keyboard
and mouse that has the range advertised (if it doesn't, it'll be about 6
feet). And get an extension video cable. I keep my computer in the closet.
I like not having wired keyboards and mice.
Jeff
>
> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
> any ideas?
>
> thanks
> mark
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 8:04 am
From: meow2222@care2.com
On Nov 1, 9:21 pm, MarkPH...@gmail.com wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
>
> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
> any ideas?
>
> thanks
> mark
Some very mixed advice so far. Even the noisiest machine can be
quietened down without replacing anything.
1. Stick damping material to the interior of the case. Triplewall
cardboard is as good as anything else. This is easy, quick, costs
nothing and makes a sizeable difference.
2. Replace fans with lower noise ones
3. If you need total silence, put labyrinthine sound boxes on air
intake and output.
And of course you may want a passive cooled gaphics card etc
NT
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 10:15 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:04:13 -0800 (PST), in misc.consumers.frugal-living
meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>On Nov 1, 9:21 pm, MarkPH...@gmail.com wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
>> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
>>
>> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
>> any ideas?
>>
>> thanks
>> mark
>
>
>Some very mixed advice so far. Even the noisiest machine can be
>quieten ed down without replacing anything.
>1. Stick damping material to the interior of the case. Triple wall
>cardboard is as good as anything else. This is easy, quick, costs
>nothing and makes a sizeable difference.
>2. Replace fans with lower noise ones
>3. If you need total silence, put labyrinthine sound boxes on air
>intake and output.
>
>And of course you may want a passive cooled garlics card etc
>
>
>NT
i give the case a good thump and that usually quiets down the fan when it acts
up.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 11:35 am
From: MarkPHd21@gmail.com
great ideas all,
it's a new computer [very little dust];
i don't know if the fans are noisy,
or the fact that there are 3 of them [does it matter?]
it was over-clocked, which i switched to Auto setting
[3.0 now down to 2.6]
i'll carefully try Fan options in the Bios,
the SpeedFan software
[and moving to the closet sounds interesting;
i already have a wireless mouse & keyboard]
replacing fans/power/case doesn't sound practical
thanks a bunch,
mark
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TOPIC: Cork hard to come by on wine bottles?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 4:02 am
From: "Bob F"
<NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov> wrote in message
news:c8bqg4pnee83475qn21vhk9ktnshu5khdj@4ax.com...
>
> For once Rod Speed might be useful! My memory may be faulty but IIRC
> back around the early seventies the Australians used to put lots of
> wine in the collapsible bag type boxes including some reasonably
> expensive (and I suppose good) vineyards and years. IIRC the boxes
> held not 4 or 5 liters but 1.5 or 2. This was way before the US woke
> up to this form of delivery.
Overheard:
"How can you tell a good wine from a bad wine"
"From the shape of the box"
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 5:32 pm
From: websurf1@cox.net
On Nov 1, 9:01 am, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:43:45 -0700 (PDT), websu...@cox.net wrote:
> >On Oct 31, 10:56 am, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Jeez, you're making this way more complicated than it is. Maybe you
> >> just needed to whine.
>
> >I think so as well
> >We bought a kit with a couple rubber stopper type things, which work
> >just fine.
> >If we want to bother, we can also pump the air out of the bottle to
> >protect the wine if we want to save it that long.
> >It usually isn't necessary <g>
>
> I bought one of those stoppers with the pump to remove the air from
> the bottle. I didn't notice much difference. Maybe I'm overly
> sensitive, but I taste a noticable change in wine after a day or so
> from the initial opening, no matter how I reseal the bottle.
>
> The last time I made a batch of wine, I put about half of it in 375 ml
> bottles. That seems like a convenient size for a couple glasses with
> dinner and no leftovers.
>
> Too bad you can't find the better wines in boxes. The air-tight
> collapsible bag inside and the tap seem to keep the wine fresh for
> quite a while.
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin
There are some times where the screw caps are always better:
In a canoe on a calm river, with a sweetie in the bow...
On a hillside in the cool of the evening, with a picnic basket and a
blanket to watch the stars come out...
An impromptu campground in the wide open desert...
You get the idea.
All is well, until he says, "Where the bloody heck is the
corkscrew!!??"
I've had to dig out a cork with a nail clippers. Kinda slows down the
moment, eh?
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TOPIC: Do It Yourself Doctoring – Wish List
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 8:19 am
From: meow2222@care2.com
On Nov 1, 9:19 pm, tgid...@athenet.net wrote:
> Most, if not all, of us diagnose and treat ourselves, as evidenced by
> the huge Over-The-Counter Drug market. Yet, how efficient are we at
> this process? I know I'm not. If I had better tools and knowledge, I
> think I could diagnose and treat my own health conditions better.
>
> Here's my Wish-List. How about you? What would you like to see
> happen in self-diagnosis and treatment?
>
> 1. A free computer-based one-stop Medical Advisor that would check
> more than just symptoms. I'd like to see Symptom Checkers have the
> capability for the user to input Vital Signs, Diagnostic Test Results,
> and Health History. Based on these inputs, the computer would give
> the user most probable Diagnoses.
To give that one would need to collect an awful lot of statistics.
Version 1 could begin by using doctor diagnoses, and collect feedback
data from those it treats, developing its diagnoses better from there.
Also what a user needs is not as simple as the most probable
diagnosis. Dangerous possible diagnoses need flagging for checking.
And the ease, cost and risk of treatment needs to influence the
diagnosis chosen too...
For example condition A has 20% chance of being the problem, and is
cheap & safe to treat. Condition B has 30% chance, but is expensive,
painful and risky to treat. Then, if not urgent, we need to begin by
following up diagnosis A, not B.
> The user then picks a diagnosis.
> The computer would then give a personalized printed "prescription" for
> Over-The-Counter Medicines, Exercise, Diet, Treatments, etc. that
> might help the user's condition. Think of this as a "Super Symptom
> Checker". Examples of existing Symptom Checkers are WebMD, Medical
> Symptoms Database , Online Medical Symptom Checker , MSO Online
> Medical Symptom Checker , or Diagnosaurus, etc.
> 2. More home health tests and tools available openly on pharmacy
> shelves. Examples – Home General Health Diagnostic Tests,
> Stethoscopes, etc.
That will happen if the market wants them. If they're not there, its
because purchasers dont. When computerised diagnosis eventually takes
off - ad its pretty inevitable - the required tools will appear.
> 3. Self-Service Health Kiosks in pharmacies that would include a
> computer-based Medical Advisor, basic medical testing capabilities,
> and where the user could provide health history on a removable memory
> card.
>
> 4. Health care professionals make free pre-recorded training sessions
> on how to diagnose and treat ourselves for common sicknesses.
free? lol
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 12:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> tgideas@athenet.net wrote:
>
>> Most, if not all, of us diagnose and treat ourselves, as evidenced by
>> the huge Over-The-Counter Drug market. Yet, how efficient are we at
>> this process? I know I'm not. If I had better tools and knowledge,
>> I
>> think I could diagnose and treat my own health conditions better.
>>
>> Here's my Wish-List. How about you? What would you like to see
>> happen in self-diagnosis and treatment?
>>
>> 1. A free computer-based one-stop Medical Advisor that would check
>> more than just symptoms. I'd like to see Symptom Checkers have the
>> capability for the user to input Vital Signs, Diagnostic Test
>> Results,
>> and Health History. Based on these inputs, the computer would give
>> the user most probable Diagnoses. The user then picks a diagnosis.
>> The computer would then give a personalized printed "prescription"
>> for
>> Over-The-Counter Medicines, Exercise, Diet, Treatments, etc. that
>> might help the user's condition. Think of this as a "Super Symptom
>> Checker". Examples of existing Symptom Checkers are WebMD, Medical
>> Symptoms Database , Online Medical Symptom Checker , MSO Online
>> Medical Symptom Checker , or Diagnosaurus, etc.
>>
>> 2. More home health tests and tools available openly on pharmacy
>> shelves. Examples - Home General Health Diagnostic Tests,
>> Stethoscopes, etc.
>>
>> 3. Self-Service Health Kiosks in pharmacies that would include a
>> computer-based Medical Advisor, basic medical testing capabilities,
>> and where the user could provide health history on a removable memory
>> card.
>>
>> 4. Health care professionals make free pre-recorded training sessions
>> on how to diagnose and treat ourselves for common sicknesses.
>>
>> For more information and diagram, please go to
>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dswxq4k_19pz6xwk7x
>
> I also applaud your naivete. No really it's a good idea but incredibly
> naive. The medical industry, when you include MD's, hospitals,
> academics, pharmaceutical companies, device mfgs, pharmacies,
> insurance companies and all the people who work therein, is huge and
> has an overwhelming interest in keeping your ideas at bay. And they
> have the money and the hooks to influence (usually dictate to) all the
> state and federal governments and have not been shy in using their
> power. They even have the people who would benefit enormously from
> your DIY doctoring attacking the suggestion, very often on the basis
> of a misplaced concern for the public screwing up. I bet the bespoke
> butchers used the same arguments when supermarkets appeared. The
> housewives soon got over their fear of deciding what cut to buy and
> how to cook it when they saw the price reduction.
> As to "can't do the testing and can't write a prescription"
> we now have this wonderful invention known as the internet.
Doesnt do a damned thing about getting the appropriate tests.
> Except for schedule 2 and 3 controlled substances (mainly addictive
> drugs) almost all the rest are available without a prescription from
> your favorite Indian pharmacy and at a much lower cost too.
And you have absolutely no way of knowing if its actually
got in it what the label on the box claims its got in it.
> I haven't checked on CBC or similar but anything that is testable from
> saliva or urine is also available over the internet, legally in most states too.
Pity that most of the tests that matter are blood tests.
> However there's another little problem. The criteria for any disease is not
> cast-in-stone, in fact there's lots of disagreement on test interpretation.
But it is a hell of a lot better than trying to diagnose the problem without any tests at all.
> What usually happens is that the MD guesses what's most likely
> (he'll say this is experience) and then picks a medication based on
> the sexiness of the last medical visitor selling something in the field.
What actually happens is that the GP considers what medical problems
could produce the symptoms that the patient is complaining about and
orders tests to distinguish between the main possibilitys and when the
tests show what the problem actually is, goes with the protocols for
that particular medical problem with serious medical problems.
> It might or might not work but if it doesn't he'll then try
> some other medication or try his next-in-line diagnosis.
Thanks for that complete superfluous proof that you
dont have a clue about how modern medicine is done.
> You might get cured or it might spontaneously resolve itself
Neither of those is very common in modern first world
medicine except with trivial stuff like colds and flu etc.
> (you could die too) but either way he gets the credit. Depending
> on your level of cynicism, you will then become an apologist for
> the medical industry telling any critic that Doctor X is well worth
> a 75-foot yacht. It's like the nauseating picture of people
> slobbering over Warren Buffert in the current economic crisis.
And plenty have enough of a clue to have worked out how modern
medicine has made significant progress with the treatment of heart
disease and diabetes etc and that real medicine is nothing like your
mindless cartoon view of reality.
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TOPIC: Frugal denture cleanser?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/22b9d2c880996e1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 2:58 pm
From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net
On Nov 1, 6:34 am, Mary Sunshine <fsrvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been using those commercial denture-cleanser tablets daily, and
> although they work well, they add an expense item that I would rather
> not have.
>
> Is there anyone here who has discovered, or who uses, an alternative
> to those tablets? What is your personal experience with this?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
Have you tried baking soda for daily cleansing?? Also, a weekly soak
in a very very light Clorox bleach solution for about an hour does
wonders for stains. My aunts always used the weak bleach solution and
they never had that nasty denture odor, thank goodness.
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TOPIC: Five Homeless People Found Dead, Apparently Murdered
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f38cdd47eb784c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 3:59 pm
From: chriseric777@hotmail.com
11/02/08...LONG BEACH -- Police say five homeless people were found
dead today, apparently murdered, in an encampment near freeway ramps
in Long Beach.
Read More:
http://reddingloavesandfishes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1115.0
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 5:28 pm
From: The Real Bev
chriseric777@hotmail.com wrote:
> 11/02/08...LONG BEACH -- Police say five homeless people were found
> dead today, apparently murdered, in an encampment near freeway ramps
> in Long Beach.
>
> Read More:
>
> http://reddingloavesandfishes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1115.0
Is this supposed to be some sort of frugal urban renewal?
--
Cheers,
Bev
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