Frugal Living: Dec 28, 2008

Sunday, December 28, 2008

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: luxury Products - www.cicigogo.cn
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b950df6753a603bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:19 pm
From: online shop

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EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
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EUR:28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35

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S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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TOPIC: AP: Obama birth/school records found in Jakarta
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a9dcbec05844fdda?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 12:50 am
From: "wws"

Globalist wrote:
> On Dec 27, 1:46 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>>
>> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>>
>> ted
>
> I was watching ANTIQUE ROADSHOW on PBS and some gal found a shoe box
> in her grandmother's wine cellar and they are pretty sure a copy of
> Obama's birth certificate was in that box, along with some batteries
> and some kind of vibrating device. ..maybe a food processor, they are
> not sure yet.

I call bullsh-t
The batteries would have disintergrated, leaked acid, and ate up the
certificate.

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TOPIC: What minor frugal change did you make this year?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2d2a9d8612f0c718?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 1:47 am
From: suds macheath

OhioGuy wrote:
> I thought it would be fun to share stories about things we have done
> this year to make a small but frugal difference in our budgets and such.
>
> For me, this year I got annoyed at having to buy sandwich bags over
> and over, and realized I could cut down on this some if I started
> reusing the bread, bagel and English Muffin wrappers (and even plastic
> cereal bags from inside the boxes). So now we reuse our bread wrappers,
> and I've cut down on the purchase of sandwich bags by about 20%. It
> feels good to reuse something we were formerly throwing away without
> thinking about it, too.
>
> Another small change I made was installing a power strip to have our
> laptop and accessories plugged in to. I read that not having the laptop
> plugged in all the time will make the batteries last longer. We also
> have a visioneer scanner with no power switch that sucks a bit of energy
> all the time, and a Yahoo Messenger phone that I use once in a great
> while. I put all of these on the power strip, and now I switch it all
> off at night. No more power draw on the electric bill for a whole
> weekend if we are away.
>
> So that's a couple of small changes we have made. How about you?

Using the cold water from the bathroom sink and shower in the toilet tank.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 6:43 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Use the fast-print/draft print options for most print jobs (uses less
ink). And of course reusing the back of the paper.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 7:42 am
From: "Daniel T."

val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Dec 25, 12:09 pm, "Daniel T." <danie...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> .. I always make sure I have room in front of me
>
> Do you use the "tires on the pavement" rule of thumb?

I'm not entirely sure what that means. Are you talking about the rule of
thumb about being able to see the tires of the car in front of you? If
so, then that isn't far back enough for me. I keep at least a car length
back, more if I am hemmed in and can't turn left or right. Of course
once there is someone fully stopped behind me, I can creep up some.

--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 10:49 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

I'm goign to start baking a lot more bread with the price of bread being so high
now..

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:39:11 -0800 (PST), in misc.consumers.frugal-living phil
scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

>On Dec 26, 11:06 am, val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 24, 6:39 pm, info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Letting the power company turn off your water heater and a/c at their will
>> > could be risky. It is possible that if you request that they turn either
>> > back on you could be hit with a reconnect or restart charge.
>>
>> No - I don't do any requesting. They remotely disrupt the water
>> heater and a/c for no more than 15 minutes at a time, no more than x
>> number of times a day ( I forget how often), and there's an annual
>> limit too. It's all done remotely by the power company. I never
>> notice these interruptions. There was absolutely no fee to set this
>> up either. Win - win.
>
>I think you get a 10% rate cut as a reward also?
>
>
>On an oposite front... PG and E (pacific gas and electric) in calif..
>has 3 tier rates for homes, but not businesses. business gets the
>low rates.
>
>Homes the the low rate for their 'base use', (set at enough to run yer
>cell phone charger and the bathroom lights if you down dwandle in the
>john). 11 cents a KWH,
>if you go over that you hit the mid rate range, amost doulbe in most
>cases, so that ends up to be the effective rate if you are furgal as
>hell...if you use such things as a TV, hair drier and portch light,
>you hit the 35 cents a Kwh range... this has doubled or tripled most
>peoples bill since it was instituted.
>
>
>Frugally speaking you must declare your home to be a business,
>accounting, on line services, HQ for your contracting, baby sitting or
>drug running operation... then you get the low rates.
>
>
>Phil scott

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TOPIC: Don't forget, YOU may end up homeless and you will end up getting spat
on like you did to the homeless.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/409073ca23af5885?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 1:56 am
From: suds macheath

Stan de SD wrote:
> On Dec 26, 10:15 pm, ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 24, 12:34 pm, "Strider" <fgevqre1...@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:srhi-628AAC.10083724122008@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com...
>>>> I think it sucks, but it seems to me that in many situations, employees
>>>> can see the writing on the wall. Unless the bosses are cooking the
>>>> books, when business drops significantly, any employee who doesn't
>>>> notice that and doesn't start thinking about his or her job security is
>>>> living in an alternate reality.
>>> True. Newspapers are notorious for folding with very little advance notice.
>>> In Dec. 1991 the Dallas Times Herald announced its demise on a Sunday
>>> afternoon. The paper published its final edition the next day. It was hardly
>>> a surprise, though -- they'd been in the proverbial "downward spiral" for a
>>> couple of years at least. I've read instances of editors sending the
>>> completed pages to the pressroom, then having the publisher arrive in the
>>> newsroom an hour later saying "You've just published the last issue."
>>> Back in college a classmate had been chosen for a summer internship at an
>>> out-of-town newspaper. A week or two before he was scheduled to report, the
>>> paper abruptly folded. No one so much as hinted to him that any trouble was
>>> afoot.
>>> Strider
>> The Orthodox Capitalists who love to crow about how the homeless are
>> druggies, idiots, immoral sub human creatures need to take note of
>> this and realize that they too may be walking the streets eating out
>> of soup kitchens if/when their company decides to close down, and
>> sometimes close down abruptly.-
>
> People with initiative don't sit on their fat fucking asses waiting
> for a company that in financial straits to fold - they take the
> inititative and move on. I have been laid off exactly once, at the
> tail end of the dot.com boom/bust. I saw it coming well in advance,
> planned accordingly, collected my notice and severance pay, and within
> a week was working again, with a 40% raise. Most people who lose their
> jobs may not have as much foresight, but typically they are working
> again within a matter of months.
>
> As far as your assertion that we're all in danger of being thrown out
> on the street is total utter bullshit. The vast majority of homeless
> in this country are NOT hard-working citizens who suddenly lost their
> jobs. Studies of the homeless

----Let me guess.....studies by the Heritage Foundation or Hoover Institute?

show that the primary causes are
> substance abuse (including alcohol) and mental illness, in some cases
> the former causing the latter. Unfortunately, disingenuous types such
> as yourself peddle this crap to push your own left-wing agenda.
>
> If you don't like America and/or free-market economics yourself, fine.
> Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and move to a
> country that practices full on socialism/collectivism, like Cuba,
> Zimbabwe, or North Korea? There are plenty of people living in those
> commie-created shitholes who would be more than happy to swap
> passports with you and let you enjoy the fruits of the Worker's
> Paradise in your place. Meanwhile, the vast majority of us are happy
> to live in a society where our own personal industry and initiative
> are the primary factors to the path to success, instead of waiting
> with our hands out for Dear Leader to feed/clothe/wipe our asses for
> us... :O|

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TOPIC: How To Add Modern Decorating Style To Your Home
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ac079fef36e17d01?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 2:24 am
From: "yssdvtwkxeel@yahoo.com"

Decorative items are to your interior design what jewelry is to an
outfit, and your Modern home decorating style is no exception. Using
modernistic decorative items will help show off the stylish and sleek
allure of design style, making it have the style of a sleek designer
home. Shop for good quality decor such as pillows, kinck-knacks and
artwork that compliment your Modern home to complete the look.
In order to get your wall art to look appealing you have to understand
the correct way to hang it. You wish the middle of the piece of art to
be at eye level. If you have many piece to display on one wall, work
out the design on the floor first to select the perfect placement. The
Modern home decorating style can be improved with black and white
photos which you should plan to put in sleek dark frames.
Decorative pillows can provide a soft touch to your room d'cor. If you
were under the impression that pillows were only for the bedroom,
think again, they can provide a pleasing touch to any room including
the dining room, kitchen, bathroom and living room. You can display
pillows in the bath or kitchen by using chairs, shelving and any
corner or any interesting spot. Pillows will be a perfect compliment
to the bedroom when piled in front of the headboard. Pillows on your
sofa or chair might help insert the modern decorating ambiance to the
furniture. For this style of d'cor, pillows that are simple with solid
colors will match best....

More About Home Decorating : http://groups.google.com/group/decoratvup

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TOPIC: if you suffer of viruses every day
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/510cd3701046bca7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 5:47 am
From: eltahelawimoney

if you suffer of viruses every day go this url. download the best
viruses software at all AVG anti-virus free edition 8.0.176

http://magnficant-google-adsense.blogspot.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 8:32 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Dec 28, 8:47 am, eltahelawimoney <eltahelawimo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> if you suffer of viruses every day go this url. download the best
> viruses software at all AVG anti-virus free edition 8.0.176
>
I dumped AVG with their bloated 56MB download package that was always
corrupt anyway. I switched to Avast, which is 28MB, and has worked
flawlessly. Plus, AVG does not have many of the features of Avast. AVG
is trying to drive people to their pay version by dropping value and
may be losing their fan base. I never got a virus with AVG, but if
you can't execute update, it is useless to me.

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TOPIC: Why don't camera reviews cover the data connection to the PC?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/48cf431298caff77?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 8:21 am
From: John Navas

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:45:57 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <FdF5l.6$FM6.2@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>:

>Marco Tedaldi wrote:
>
>> On mini-USB the 5 contacts are on one side of this platic thingie. So it
>> would be possible to add some additional contacts and use them for
>> A/V-Stuff.
>
>They could also do something like was done with the EISA bus versus the
>ISA bus with a second level of contacts deeper in the connector
>("http://www.millbury.k12.ma.us/hs/techrepair/isaeisa1.gif"). The AV
>cable would go in deeper, past the USB contacts, and make a connection
>with the AV pins only, but a standard USB cable could be used to connect
>to the USB contacts.

You obviously know nothing about the USB connector. Do some homework so
you don't embarrass yourself with another post like this.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 9:06 am
From: Dave Garland

SMS wrote:

> $2 is very expensive for a USB extension cable. I order cables from
> monoprice.com.

Monoprice is good. If you only need one or two, I find the cables
that Dollar Tree carries adequate (wow, I linked two threads!).
They're not the worlds heaviest or most durable cables, but perfectly
fine if you're not going to beat them up a lot.

Dave

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TOPIC: Usenet being phased out
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/88e9e410905fb851?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 9:04 am
From: Bert Hyman

In
news:d8e47180-3a59-4b67-9654-aa8fa80d9ed1@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com
"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:

> groups.google.com
>
> It has some shortcomings,

Some? You're too kind.

> but is usable

Hardly.

> and free.

Many people are now killfiling all posts from googlgroupers.

http://improve-usenet.org/

Most of the people who post to Usenet via the clunky Google
Groups web interface are lusers or lamers.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 9:04 am
From: Bert Hyman

In news:gj6str$qpi$1@news.motzarella.org "Tomes" <ask.me@here.net>
wrote:

> "rick++" ...
>> groups.google.com
>>
>> It has some shortcomings, but is usable and free.
>
> news.motsarella.org

Even better would be news.motzarella.org.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 9:20 am
From: axiom

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:04:59 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:

> In news:gj6str$qpi$1@news.motzarella.org "Tomes" <ask.me@here.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "rick++" ...
>>> groups.google.com
>>>
>>> It has some shortcomings, but is usable and free.
>>
>> news.motsarella.org
>
> Even better would be news.motzarella.org.
>
> Sign up at http://www.motzarella.org/

Motzarella's getting to be almost as bad as Google Groups for trolls and
and general PITA idiots. A lot of people are filtering on it now, even
though it usually means taking out a few legit posters in the group.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 9:53 am
From: Bert Hyman

In news:k-CdnaHtfJH4KMrUnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@supernews.com axiom
<axiom@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:04:59 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>> In news:gj6str$qpi$1@news.motzarella.org "Tomes" <ask.me@here.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "rick++" ...
>>>> groups.google.com
>>>>
>>>> It has some shortcomings, but is usable and free.
>>>
>>> news.motsarella.org
>>
>> Even better would be news.motzarella.org.
>>
>> Sign up at http://www.motzarella.org/
>
> Motzarella's getting to be almost as bad as Google Groups for trolls
> and and general PITA idiots.

Any free service will suffer from that, but unlike Google, the guy who
runs motzarella actually reads, responds to and acts on complaints.

> A lot of people are filtering on it now, even though it usually means
> taking out a few legit posters in the group.

It's not anywhere close to the cesspool that is AIOE.ORG; maybe you've
confused the two (although AIOE.ORG seems to have been shut down
sometime in the past couple of weeks; maybe it's their refugees you're
running into).

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

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TOPIC: Has Anyone Tried L.E.D. Lightbulbs For Their Home?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/804d0f27da78667a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 9:47 am
From: starrfleat@gmail.com

I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
30,000 hours, etc.
Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 10:39 am
From: SMS

starrfleat@gmail.com wrote:
> I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> 30,000 hours, etc.
> Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.

They don't work. Forget it. Use CFLs.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 10:53 am
From: me@privacy.net

starrfleat@gmail.com wrote:

> Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
>online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
>light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.

Sam's Club also has them in a three pack for $15

Supposed to be equivalent to 45 watt incandescent bulb

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 10:54 am
From: me@privacy.net

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>They don't work

Why?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 1:24 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Dec 28, 12:47 pm, starrfl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> 30,000 hours, etc.
> Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.

If I can't forecast a payback of under three years or so, I'm not
interested. Many of the CFL's promised phenomenal longevity and
crapped out in short order. Now they seem very good. I never have one
go bad. But I never paid more than $3 for one either. Some were on
sale for $1. An LED should last much longer than a CFL. I'm unwilling
to pay $70 for an LED. What if you drop or damage it? This could be a
new direction for thieves. Steal all the LEDs out of a home before
leaving. I believe the penalty cost for being innovative is too high
on LEDs right now.

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TOPIC: Update on collision insurance
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 10:34 am
From: Dennis

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:37:03 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>My independent agent is doing his job. When my car insurance went up by
>$60/yr, for no good reason, I called him. He said I was already on a
>list for them to check other companies. He called back today with rates
>for a different company for home and auto that works out to almost
>$200/yr less, and that includes more coverage on the cars. BTW, I also
>asked him about the uninsured/underinsured coverage. I don't have
>collision on the older car, so the $21 was for UM for that one only.
>The UM medical on both cars covers more than my medical insurance
>through work. It also covers lost wages and pain/suffering. So I'll
>keep it for now. Jeez, you'd think that at my age, I would know all
>this stuff already :-) Thanks for all your advice.

Thanks for the update -- interesting result. Would you mind sharing
the names of your old and new insurers?

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 11:28 am
From: Marsha

Dennis wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:37:03 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>
>> My independent agent is doing his job. When my car insurance went up by
>> $60/yr, for no good reason, I called him. He said I was already on a
>> list for them to check other companies. He called back today with rates
>> for a different company for home and auto that works out to almost
>> $200/yr less, and that includes more coverage on the cars. BTW, I also
>> asked him about the uninsured/underinsured coverage. I don't have
>> collision on the older car, so the $21 was for UM for that one only.
>> The UM medical on both cars covers more than my medical insurance
>> through work. It also covers lost wages and pain/suffering. So I'll
>> keep it for now. Jeez, you'd think that at my age, I would know all
>> this stuff already :-) Thanks for all your advice.
>
> Thanks for the update -- interesting result. Would you mind sharing
> the names of your old and new insurers?
>
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
> consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

The old company was General Casualty out of Indiana. I had one claim
with them about 8 yrs. ago for a hit-and-run, uninsured unlicensed
driver, but we got the plate number. Damage and medical bills were
about $2000 and they paid without any hassle. They also aggressively
pursued the driver and the owner of the car in court, which was
surprising, since $2000 isn't a lot these days. The new one is
Cincinnati Ins. The agent says they have a good reputation. Hopefully,
I won't have to find out :-)

Marsha/Ohio

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TOPIC: .99 store complaint
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Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 10:52 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:27:17 -0800 (PST), in misc.consumers.frugal-living val189
<gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Oh Bev - it's NOT snobbery. It's experience. Watered down dish
>liquid, knockoff stuff - I've been stuck before. Try a quality salon
>shampoo someday and see the difference. See h

Not in my house where all soap eventually gets dumped out by a toddler.

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TOPIC: Is NNTPjunkie OK?
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Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 11:06 am
From: "mailbox24@gmail.com"

I do value the opinions of posters in this group. You have protected
me from several mistakes in the past by your posts and so I am
wondering if you have had any experience with the NNTPjunkie Usenet
service.

Your comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Dayafter Today"

"Kickin' Ass & Takin' Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:96238cb2-aa55-4b05-8f69-1b255face0e7@s37g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 2:46 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> ted

There's nothing at your link. Exactly like your claim about Obama not
being a citizen -- nothing there.
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I found it;

http://www.buckfush.com/images/George_Bush_Horse_Kick.jpg

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:47 pm
From: "Tomes"

"rick++" ...
> groups.google.com
>
> It has some shortcomings, but is usable and free.

news.motsarella.org

Free and none of the Google Groups shortcomings (for one being that many
Usenetters block all GG posts because this is where a large portion of the
spam comes from).
Tomes

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 8:04 pm
From: "Tomes"

"Marco Tedaldi" ...
> Built in card reader in my computer, portable card reader in my bag or
> backpack (which I almost always have with me). No problems, except at my
> workplace where the computer only has USB-connectors at the back and I
> have to crawl under my desk to connect it. :-)
>
I used to have this problem until I got myself a USB 'extension cord'. It
moved that USB port right up onto my desk with no apparent loss of speed
that I could tell. I still use it even now on my newer computer at work (a
6th grade classroom) so I can plug in my thumb drive and have it hidden from
the kids.
Tomes

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 8:10 pm
From: John Navas

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:04:50 -0500, "Tomes" <ask.me@here.net> wrote in
<gj6tti$2oq$1@news.motzarella.org>:

>"Marco Tedaldi" ...
>> Built in card reader in my computer, portable card reader in my bag or
>> backpack (which I almost always have with me). No problems, except at my
>> workplace where the computer only has USB-connectors at the back and I
>> have to crawl under my desk to connect it. :-)
>>
>I used to have this problem until I got myself a USB 'extension cord'. It
>moved that USB port right up onto my desk with no apparent loss of speed
>that I could tell. I still use it even now on my newer computer at work (a
>6th grade classroom) so I can plug in my thumb drive and have it hidden from
>the kids.

There is no loss of speed.

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Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:32 pm
From: The Real Bev

Tomes wrote:

> "Marco Tedaldi" ...
>> Built in card reader in my computer, portable card reader in my bag or
>> backpack (which I almost always have with me). No problems, except at my
>> workplace where the computer only has USB-connectors at the back and I
>> have to crawl under my desk to connect it. :-)
>>
> I used to have this problem until I got myself a USB 'extension cord'. It
> moved that USB port right up onto my desk with no apparent loss of speed
> that I could tell. I still use it even now on my newer computer at work (a
> 6th grade classroom) so I can plug in my thumb drive and have it hidden from
> the kids.

http://www.shop4tech.com/item2853.html has these for very good prices. Friends
and I shared 10 for $20 with no shipping charge. I'm absolutely amazed at how
much Best Buy etc. charge for USB cables. And don't get me started on Monster
cables...

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Cheers,
Bev
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My computer doesn't have to be friendly;
civil is entirely sufficient.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:45 pm
From: SMS

Marco Tedaldi wrote:

> On mini-USB the 5 contacts are on one side of this platic thingie. So it
> would be possible to add some additional contacts and use them for
> A/V-Stuff.

They could also do something like was done with the EISA bus versus the
ISA bus with a second level of contacts deeper in the connector
("http://www.millbury.k12.ma.us/hs/techrepair/isaeisa1.gif"). The AV
cable would go in deeper, past the USB contacts, and make a connection
with the AV pins only, but a standard USB cable could be used to connect
to the USB contacts.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:19 pm
From: SMS

The Real Bev wrote:
> Tomes wrote:
>
>> "Marco Tedaldi" ...
>>> Built in card reader in my computer, portable card reader in my bag
>>> or backpack (which I almost always have with me). No problems, except
>>> at my workplace where the computer only has USB-connectors at the
>>> back and I have to crawl under my desk to connect it. :-)
>>>
>> I used to have this problem until I got myself a USB 'extension
>> cord'. It moved that USB port right up onto my desk with no apparent
>> loss of speed that I could tell. I still use it even now on my newer
>> computer at work (a 6th grade classroom) so I can plug in my thumb
>> drive and have it hidden from the kids.
>
> http://www.shop4tech.com/item2853.html has these for very good prices.
> Friends and I shared 10 for $20 with no shipping charge. I'm absolutely
> amazed at how much Best Buy etc. charge for USB cables. And don't get
> me started on Monster cables...

$2 is very expensive for a USB extension cable. I order cables from
monoprice.com. They have the 6 ft extension cables for $0.87 (if you buy
10), or $0.94 for 1, though shipping is $5.95 so it pays to order a
bunch of stuff if you need it.

"http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030301&p_id=2221&seq=1&format=2".

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Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:19 pm
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