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TOPIC: Wake up people. The Fed's bailout just cost you personally $2,000.
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 6:46 pm
From: Wiiliam Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are unavailable.
>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done
>>>> in the last month is an old tool used again, because it works and
>>>> will do so again.
>
>>> LOL.
>
>>> Tell me the last time the Fed used the Term Securities
>>> Lending Facility (TSLF). (This should be interesting.)
>
>>> When's the last time they bought up private bonds?
>
>>> when the last time they bailed out an investment firm like Bear Stearns?
>>> (Here's I'll help you with that one:
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/03/14/2008-03-14_bear_stearns_clings_to_life_as_feds_and_.html)
>
>> I gotta say Rod, I find your denials pretty damn funny.
>
> Cant say the same for your spectacular footshots, they are too pathetic
> to be funny and its not supposed to be nice to laugh at village eejuts.
>
>> The more I build the case with facts, figures
>
> You havent ever presented even a single one of either, liar.
>
>> and expert opinions
>
> Which dont say anything like you initially lied about.
>
>> the louder and shriller your name calling gets.
>
> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?
>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Yep, the meds have run out and it is a few days until the next
welfare payment,
>
> Try harder child. You might actually manage to fool someone sometime, before you actually burst a blood vessel.
>
>
It would take a lot of fooling to believe that you have a
job,life,money or friends.
William Souden
Sales fool / racetrack bum
== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
> Reuters
> U.S. faces severe recession: NBER's Feldstein
> Friday March 14, 10:55 am ET
> By Ros Krasny
> BOCA RATON, Florida (Reuters) - The United States is in a recession
> that could be "substantially more severe" than recent ones, National
> Bureau of Economic Research President Martin Feldstein said on Friday.
Notice the COULD, he doesnt even say that that is certain, unlike fools like you.
> "The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and the
> risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a speech at
> the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida.
Notice the COULD, he doesnt even say that that is certain, unlike fools like you.
> "There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very difficult years."
It would be a hell of a lot more surprising if they they
werent given the magnitude of the sub prime fiasco.
Doesnt mean that its the end of civilisation as we know it, or even a full depression tho.
> NBER is a private sector group that is considered the arbiter of U.S. business cycles.
Pigs arse it is.
> Feldstein is also a Harvard economics professor and
> former economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.
Notice no Prez since has considered his advice worth bothering with.
> Answering questions from the audience, Feldstein said the downturn
> could be the worst in the United States since World War Two.
Notice the COULD, he doesnt even say that that is certain, unlike fools like you.
> Feldstein said the federal funds rate, the Federal Reserve's benchmark
> lending rate, is headed down to 2 percent from the current 3 percent.
Corse that has never ever happened before, eh ?
> He added that lower rates from the Fed would not have the same
> impact in the current downturn, in terms of reviving economic activity.
Yes, and that is why more than just that is being done by the fed.
> "There isn't much traction in monetary policy these days, I'm afraid,
> because of a lack of liquidity in the credit markets," he said.
And that is why something is being done about the lack of liquidity too.
> The Federal Open Market Committee meets on Tuesday to
> consider its next step on interest rates. Financial markets
> currently look for a rate cut of 75 basis points, to 2.25 percent,
> with a moderate chance rates will be slashed 100 basis points.
Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, and a real benefit to everyone
who isnt on fixed interest rates and who has significant borrowings.
> The Fed's huge new credit facility, announced
> on Tuesday, "can help in a rather small way ...
In a hell of a lot more than just a small way, actually.
> but the underlying risks will remain with the institutions that borrow from
> the Fed, and this does nothing to change their capital," Feldstein noted.
But bailing out operations like Bear Stearns does.
> Feldstein said the combination of monetary and fiscal stimulus and
> the falling dollar "will help to dampen the magnitude of the downturn
So you can stop mindlessly hyperventilating now.
> but won't be enough to sustain an expansion."
We'll see. And even if there isnt an expansion, the current
economic situation is perfectly viable and is nothing even
remotely resembling anything like a full depression.
> "The housing situation is getting worse by the day," he noted, as
> more and more houses drop below 100 percent loan-to-value ratios,
> encouraging homeowners to walk away from their properties.
And that has happened before, and that was survived fine.
> More broadly, in global credit markets, "there is a
> lack of confidence leading to a lack of liquidity ...
And the other equivalent operations are dealing with that in similar ways,
even to the extent of bailing out operations like Northern Rock etc too.
> without credit creation, we can't have economic growth," Feldstein said.
But there is still credit creation in places like china and japan which werent
actually stupid enough to engage in stupiditys like the sub prime fiasco.
> Feldstein noted "powerful forces (that) will continue to drive inflation higher."
Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, Feldstein.
> And while inflation expectations are still relatively well contained,
So you can stop mindlessly hyperventilating now.
> "you wonder how long that's going to last," he said.
Wonder away. Get back to us when something actually changes significantly in that area.
So he's not claiming anything like your pig ignorant claim that the fed has no tools that
it can use anymore and even the worst recession since the war is perfectly viable anyway.
== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:22 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:35:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
. . .
>
>Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
. . .
>
>There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the last century, fuckwit.
. . .
>Well whoopy fucking do. . . .
>Well whoopy fucking do. . . .
>You dont actually have a single FACT, fuckwit.
>
.. .
>Nothing like your mindless hyperventilation.
Gee do you have macros for all this empty repetitive blather?
== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:24 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:42:37 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
>
>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to avoid a depression.
>
>> The fed is using new tricks
>
>Bare faced lie with interest rates.
>
>> because the old ones won't work.
>
>Bare faced lie with interest rates.
>
>> Do try to keep up.
>
>Let go of your dick before you end up completely blind, liar.
>
>> Go find out what the Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF) is.
>
>Irrelevant to that lie of yours still at the top.
>
>> Query also when was the last time the Fed bailed out an investment
>> company (not a bank) as they did this week with Bear Stearns?
>
>Irrelevant to that lie of yours still at the top.
This i all you do, aye? What a pathetic little twit.
well looking at your posting history I see this is your routine. that
and telling people to off themselves. You're a real class act.
In you go with the rest of the mindless idiots.
PLONK
== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:26 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:04:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are unavailable.
>
>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done in the
>>> last month is an old tool used again, because it works and will do so again.
>
>> LOL.
>
>Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>
>> Tell me the last time the Fed used the Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF).
>
>Irrelevant to that pig ignorant lie of yours at the top.
LOL. Of course it is. Can;t answer it without embarrassing yourself
aye? LOL.
>
>> (This should be interesting.)
>
>Nope, you're always completely pathetic.
>
>> When's the last time they bought up private bonds?
>
>Irrelevant to that pig ignorant lie of yours at the top.
Unless you read the question and answered it. But you run to your
stock phrase, coward.
>
>> when the last time they bailed out an investment firm like Bear Stearns?
>
>Irrelevant to that pig ignorant lie of yours at the top.
>
>> (Here's I'll help you with that one:
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/03/14/2008-03-14_bear_stearns_clings_to_life_as_feds_and_.html)
It was 1929. LOL.
>
>Irrelevant to that pig ignorant lie of yours at the top.
>
== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:34 pm
From: Billy
In article <640n7oF29tqg7U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT), haber14@lycos.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 14, 2:41 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:15:26 -0700 (PDT), habe...@lycos.com wrote:
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>
> >>>> Let that market keep sinking, should be great buys in a couple of
> >>>> months.
> >>>
> >>>> dennis
> >>>
> >>> I've been trying to decide if the lowest point is going to be before
> >>> the election or after. Any ideas?
>
> >> Mid-summer is what I'm hearing.
>
> Just plucked out of someone's arse.
>
> >> Watch events closely.
>
> That doesnt help.
>
> >> Personally, I'm concerned that we are at a dead end.
>
> The same claim has been made about every downturn, its never been true even
> of 1929.
>
> >> Not many products to sell,
>
> Modern first world economys are about a hell of a lot more than just products
> to sell.
>
> There will always be plenty of services to sell.
>
> >> rising energy costs,
>
> We've survived that fine before.
>
> >> a factionalized country,
>
> Nothing like as factionalized as it has been in the past and survived fine.
>
> >> and an incoming President who will be under heavy attack the minute he is
> >> sworn in.
>
> No Prez has much to do with the state of the economy, whatever they like to
> think.
>
> > I'd suggest looking how long it took the 1929 market to find bottom.
>
> Not relevant. We've worked out how to avoid full depressions.
>
> > Look at the desperation in the feds actions for the last two weeks.
> > Unprecedented bail outs and measures day after day. That's a
> > dive alarm on the submarine. Prepare to dive. AUUUGA!
>
> Lot more viable than the mindless approach taken in 1929 for years.
>
> > we're going into a really ugly period.
>
> Nope, you watch.
>
> > At the risk of sounding too conspiracy minded i would note that the great
> > depression last time spawned fascist governments around the world.
>
> And that wont happen again, because of what happened with those.
>
> We wont see communism booming ever again either, you watch.
>
> > America is facing the end of empire
>
> Nope. The full commercialisation of almost all technology still happens
> there first, most recently with google, ebay, paypal etc etc etc.
>
> Thats not going to stop happening, because of why it still happens.
>
> > and has been stepping very close to fascism in the last 7 years.
>
> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like fascism.
>
> And he's going quietly too, not even the remotest possibility that
> he will refuse to go and will try to stay in power, even as some
> like Putin are doing. And if he was stupid enough to try that,
> he'd be out on his arse so fast he wouldnt know what hit him.
>
> > The political risks of this depression (yes D not R)
>
> You wouldnt know what a real depression was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
> > could be far greater than the economics risks.
>
> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller
> conflicts.
Rod Speed is a comic idiot. No citations, no logic, just jingoism. Be
afraid.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:36 pm
From: Billy
In article <642h7gF29vs63U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> >>> haber14@lycos.com wrote
> >>>> Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote
> >>>>> habe...@lycos.com wrote
>
> >>>>>> Let that market keep sinking, should be great buys in a couple of
> >>>>>> months.
>
> >>>>> I've been trying to decide if the lowest point is
> >>>>> going to be before the election or after. Any ideas?
>
> >>>> Mid-summer is what I'm hearing.
>
> >> Just plucked out of someone's arse.
>
> >>>> Watch events closely.
>
> >> That doesnt help.
>
> >>>> Personally, I'm concerned that we are at a dead end.
>
> >> The same claim has been made about every
> >> downturn, its never been true even of 1929.
>
> >>>> Not many products to sell,
>
> >> Modern first world economys are about a hell of a lot more than just
> >> products to sell.
>
> >> There will always be plenty of services to sell.
>
> >>>> rising energy costs,
>
> >> We've survived that fine before.
>
> >>>> a factionalized country,
>
> >> Nothing like as factionalized as it has been in the past and survived
> >> fine.
>
> >>>> and an incoming President who will be under heavy attack the minute he
> >>>> is sworn in.
>
> >> No Prez has much to do with the state of the economy, whatever they like
> >> to think.
>
> >>> I'd suggest looking how long it took the 1929 market to find bottom.
>
> >> Not relevant. We've worked out how to avoid full depressions.
>
> >>> Look at the desperation in the feds actions for the last two weeks.
> >>> Unprecedented bail outs and measures day after day. That's a
> >>> dive alarm on the submarine. Prepare to dive. AUUUGA!
>
> >> Lot more viable than the mindless approach taken in 1929 for years.
>
> >>> we're going into a really ugly period.
>
> >> Nope, you watch.
>
> >>> At the risk of sounding too conspiracy minded i would note that the great
> >>> depression last time spawned fascist governments around the world.
>
> >> And that wont happen again, because of what happened with those.
>
> >> We wont see communism booming ever again either, you watch.
>
> >>> America is facing the end of empire
>
> >> Nope. The full commercialisation of almost all technology still happens
> >> there first, most recently with google, ebay, paypal etc etc etc.
>
> >> Thats not going to stop happening, because of why it still happens.
>
> >>> and has been stepping very close to fascism in the last 7 years.
>
> >> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like fascism.
>
> >> And he's going quietly too, not even the remotest possibility that
> >> he will refuse to go and will try to stay in power, even as some
> >> like Putin are doing. And if he was stupid enough to try that,
> >> he'd be out on his arse so fast he wouldnt know what hit him.
>
> >>> The political risks of this depression (yes D not R)
>
> >> You wouldnt know what a real depression was if it bit you on your lard
> >> arse.
>
> >>> could be far greater than the economics risks.
>
> >> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless
> >> smaller conflicts.
>
> > And those were fun?
>
> No one said anything about fun.
>
> > Merely surviving is not the goal.
>
> Neither is you mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>
> > Ah the last of the faithful. Sheesh.
>
> Or someone with a clue, unlike mindless hysterics like you and your ilk.
>
> > A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking
> > depression.
>
> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since
> 1929.
>
> And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they did fine
> regardless.
>
> > Can you see the pyramids from there?
>
> Nope.
Citation please. Otherwise you are just pulling out your a-se.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:37 pm
From: Billy
In article <642kv6F29kf11U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>
> >>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking
> >>> depression.
>
> >> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
> >> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever
> >> since 1929.
>
> > And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
> > cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
>
> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that we havent had a
> full depression since that one.
>
> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>
> > If you can't small the desperation from the daily Fed gymnastics you're
> > hopeless.
>
> We'll see if we get a full depression, child.
>
> And even if we do, we survived the last one fine.
>
> >> And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they did
> >> fine regardless.
>
> > Chuckle. What are you smoking? it must be good.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> They did see a few suicides, of those who are better off dead anyway.
>
> You should take a leaf from their book, just dont make a mess of the carpet.
Stage two, be abusive. Rod is a consistent idiot.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:45 pm
From: Billy
In article <642upbF29eu6mU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>
> >>>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking
> >>>>> depression.
>
> >>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
> >>>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever
> >>>> since 1929.
>
> >>> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
> >>> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
>
> >> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
> >> that we havent had a full depression since that one.
>
> > Which is why people have forgotten it's lessons
>
> No they havent. The fed is already applying the lessons that were learnt
> at that time and is taking the steps we learnt were required to ensure that
> we wont have a depression, just like it has quite a few times since 1929.
>
> > and dismantled many of the preventative measures
> > that were put in place when the knowledge was fresh.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. List even a single one of those, you cant.
>
> > It might just be time for another then, aye?
>
> Nope. Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>
> > Or are you in the school of "the fundamentals have changed
>
> Nope.
>
> > and we're smarter than that now. they're
> > always the ones leading us into the next crash.
>
> How odd that we havent actually had a full depression since 1929.
>
> Thats only a decade short of a full century now.
>
> >> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>
> > Yep. I've noted often that following the fundamentals with a proper mix of
> > Keynesian
> > and monetarist polices has made recession less frequent and less severe.
>
> And we havent had a full depression for almost a century now.
>
> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>
> > But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to avoid a
> depression.
>
> > and deregulated many of the measures taken that gave us those results.
>
> You cant deregulate a measure.
>
> > You're not noticing the new and highly creative things the Fed is doing
> > this month?
>
> Nothing new or highly creative.
>
> > That's desperation.
>
> Nope, entirely appropriate to the current circumstances.
>
> > they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are
> > unavailable.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done in the
> last month is an old tool used again, because it works and will do so again.
>
> > They're desperately scrambling to find some way to hold this all
> > together. It's getting down to baling wire and duct tape at this point.
>
> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
>
> > For example - the stimulus package is going to return virtually
> > nothing because we've neutralized it as a tool because of the
> > amount of our goods and services that come from over seas now.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The vast bulk of services are STILL provided
> locally and so stimulate the economy, just like they have always done.
>
> And while some of the cheap goods come from overseas, a large part
> of the stimulus sales of them provide still pays the wages of the moneys
> involved in selling them in the US, just like they always have been.
>
> > One or two hops and those dollars are in China, Japan, the UK, Canada, etc.
>
> A small subset of those dollars, actually. And that STILL ensures that china
> wont
> see a full depression either, and thats what matters for the US economy
> anyway.
>
> > Even if the work or goods are made or done here,
> > more of the companies doing it are foreign owned.
>
> Fuck all of them are, actually.
>
> > (www.economyincrisis.org)
>
> Pure drivel.
>
> > and the profits go overseas.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> > This cuts the multiplier considerably
>
> Pigs arse it does since the same mindless pig
> ignorant hyperventilation was done about the Japs.
>
> The only thing thats changed is that much more of it ends up in china instead
> of in japan.
>
> > (hopefully you've read enough to know what we're talking about).
>
> Known what that was about since before you were even born thanks child.
>
> > Similarly lowering interest rates to increase monetary supply
>
> That isnt why interest rates are lowered.
>
> > isn't as useful a tool any more because it only drives the dollar lower,
>
> The dollar is irrelevant to stopping the economy from going into depression.
>
> > making oil cost more and pulling foreign investment away from the US
>
> The US doesnt need foreign investment, stupid.
>
> > (and foreign investment is almost all that keeping us afloat.)
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> > Lowering dollar and lowering interest rates make
> > Japan and China less interested in our treasuries,
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The yuan is close to locked to the
> USD. And US interest rates still leave those in Japan for dead.
>
> > and that's what's financing Bush's deficit spending and war.
>
> They get to like that or lump it.
>
> > we could go on but an intelligent person will get the idea.
>
> Only a very stupid person would run those bare faced pig ignorant lies.
>
> > Our customary tools have been broken.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> > The fed is struggling to find ways that might work.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> The credit crunch is quite different to what was last seen.
> The way of dealing with that is necessarily different.
>
> > With luck and ingenuity they might manage.
>
> No might about it, they'll manage fine, just like they have for the last
> century.
>
> > But nothing so far looks near clever enough or effective enough.
>
> Only in the eyes of pig ignorant fools that dont have a clue about whats
> actually happening.
>
> > But shit idiots like you are still denying we're even in a recession.
>
> Corse that wouldnt be you doing any name calling, would it hypocrite ?
>
> And I never ever said a word about a recession anyway, liar.
>
> > And clinging to high school definitions and sloppy logic to pretend we're
> > not.
>
> > SO is this where you talk issues or just cant more denials and names?
>
> You in spades, child.
>
> > Like I have to ask.
>
> You in spades, child.
Have you noticed how many posters in Usenet are like Yosemite Sam (I'll
shoot the varmint") or the Queen of Heats from "Alice in Wonderland"(
Off with their heads)? I've heard that Rod is about ready to start a
comic book of his own. Yes, this is ad hominem, but well deserved.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
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http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:47 pm
From: Billy
In article <643advF29skv3U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:52:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> >>
> >>>>>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are
> >>>>>>> talking depression.
> >>
> >>>>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate
> >>>>>> that claim.
> >>
> >>>>>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about
> >>>>>> depression ever since 1929.
> >>
> >>>>> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
> >>>>> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
> >>
> >>>> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
> >>>> that we havent had a full depression since that one.
> >>
> >>> Which is why people have forgotten it's lessons
> >>
> >> No they havent. The fed is already applying the lessons that were
> >> learnt
> >> at that time and is taking the steps we learnt were required to
> >> ensure that
> >> we wont have a depression, just like it has quite a few times since
> >> 1929.
> >>
> >>> and dismantled many of the preventative measures
> >>> that were put in place when the knowledge was fresh.
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. List even a single one of those, you
> >> cant.
> >>
> >>> It might just be time for another then, aye?
> >>
> >> Nope. Taint gunna happen, you watch.
> >>
> >>> Or are you in the school of "the fundamentals have changed
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >>> and we're smarter than that now. they're
> >>> always the ones leading us into the next crash.
> >>
> >> How odd that we havent actually had a full depression since 1929.
> >>
> >> Thats only a decade short of a full century now.
> >>
> >>>> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
> >>
> >>> Yep. I've noted often that following the fundamentals with a proper
> >>> mix of Keynesian and monetarist polices has made recession less
> >>> frequent and less severe.
> >>
> >> And we havent had a full depression for almost a century now.
> >>
> >> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
> >>
> >>> But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to
> >> avoid a depression.
> >>
> >>> and deregulated many of the measures taken that gave us those
> >>> results.
> >>
> >> You cant deregulate a measure.
> >>
> >>> You're not noticing the new and highly creative things the Fed is
> >>> doing this month?
> >>
> >> Nothing new or highly creative.
> >>
> >>> That's desperation.
> >>
> >> Nope, entirely appropriate to the current circumstances.
> >>
> >>> they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are
> >>> unavailable.
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done
> >> in the
> >> last month is an old tool used again, because it works and will do
> >> so again.
> >>
> >>> They're desperately scrambling to find some way to hold this all
> >>> together. It's getting down to baling wire and duct tape at this
> >>> point.
> >>
> >> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
> >>
> >>> For example - the stimulus package is going to return virtually
> >>> nothing because we've neutralized it as a tool because of the
> >>> amount of our goods and services that come from over seas now.
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The vast bulk of services are STILL
> >> provided
> >> locally and so stimulate the economy, just like they have always
> >> done.
> >>
> >> And while some of the cheap goods come from overseas, a large part
> >> of the stimulus sales of them provide still pays the wages of the
> >> moneys
> >> involved in selling them in the US, just like they always have been.
> >>
> >>> One or two hops and those dollars are in China, Japan, the UK,
> >>> Canada, etc.
> >>
> >> A small subset of those dollars, actually. And that STILL ensures
> >> that china wont
> >> see a full depression either, and thats what matters for the US
> >> economy anyway.
> >>
> >>> Even if the work or goods are made or done here,
> >>> more of the companies doing it are foreign owned.
> >>
> >> Fuck all of them are, actually.
> >>
> >>> (www.economyincrisis.org)
> >>
> >> Pure drivel.
> >>
> >>> and the profits go overseas.
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> >>
> >>> This cuts the multiplier considerably
> >>
> >> Pigs arse it does since the same mindless pig
> >> ignorant hyperventilation was done about the Japs.
> >>
> >> The only thing thats changed is that much more of it ends up in
> >> china instead of in japan.
> >>
> >>> (hopefully you've read enough to know what we're talking about).
> >>
> >> Known what that was about since before you were even born thanks
> >> child.
> >>
> >>> Similarly lowering interest rates to increase monetary supply
> >>
> >> That isnt why interest rates are lowered.
> >>
> >>> isn't as useful a tool any more because it only drives the dollar
> >>> lower,
> >>
> >> The dollar is irrelevant to stopping the economy from going into
> >> depression.
> >>
> >>> making oil cost more and pulling foreign investment away from the US
> >>
> >> The US doesnt need foreign investment, stupid.
> >>
> >>> (and foreign investment is almost all that keeping us afloat.)
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> >>
> >>> Lowering dollar and lowering interest rates make
> >>> Japan and China less interested in our treasuries,
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The yuan is close to locked to the
> >> USD. And US interest rates still leave those in Japan for dead.
> >>
> >>> and that's what's financing Bush's deficit spending and war.
> >>
> >> They get to like that or lump it.
> >>
> >>> we could go on but an intelligent person will get the idea.
> >>
> >> Only a very stupid person would run those bare faced pig ignorant
> >> lies.
> >>
> >>> Our customary tools have been broken.
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> >>
> >>> The fed is struggling to find ways that might work.
> >>
> >> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> >>
> >> The credit crunch is quite different to what was last seen.
> >> The way of dealing with that is necessarily different.
> >>
> >>> With luck and ingenuity they might manage.
> >>
> >> No might about it, they'll manage fine, just like they have for the
> >> last century.
> >>
> >>> But nothing so far looks near clever enough or effective enough.
> >>
> >> Only in the eyes of pig ignorant fools that dont have a clue about
> >> whats actually happening.
> >>
> >>> But shit idiots like you are still denying we're even in a
> >>> recession.
> >>
> >> Corse that wouldnt be you doing any name calling, would it hypocrite
> >> ?
> >>
> >> And I never ever said a word about a recession anyway, liar.
> >>
> >>> And clinging to high school definitions and sloppy logic to pretend
> >>> we're not.
> >>
> >>> SO is this where you talk issues or just cant more denials and
> >>> names?
> >>
> >> You in spades, child.
> >>
> >>> Like I have to ask.
> >>
> >> You in spades, child.
> >>
> >
> >
> > So once again you got nothing. LOL.
>
> You in spades, child.
No citation. Just ad hominem attacks.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
stuff_stuff@comcast.net desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:48 pm
From: Billy
In article <643a1sF281s56U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> pig ignorant
Pig ignorant ad hominem attacks.
--
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== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:49 pm
From: "123" <123@tgy.com>
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
stuff_stuff@comcast.net desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:50 pm
From: Billy
In article <643aa5F2a7k9eU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> > stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>>> they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are
> >>>> unavailable.
>
> >>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done
> >>> in the last month is an old tool used again, because it works and
> >>> will do so again.
>
> >> LOL.
>
> >> Tell me the last time the Fed used the Term Securities
> >> Lending Facility (TSLF). (This should be interesting.)
>
> >> When's the last time they bought up private bonds?
>
> >> when the last time they bailed out an investment firm like Bear Stearns?
> >> (Here's I'll help you with that one:
> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/03/14/2008-03-14_bear_stearns_clings_
> >> to_life_as_feds_and_.html)
>
> > I gotta say Rod, I find your denials pretty damn funny.
>
> Cant say the same for your spectacular footshots, they are too pathetic
> to be funny and its not supposed to be nice to laugh at village eejuts.
>
> > The more I build the case with facts, figures
>
> You havent ever presented even a single one of either, liar.
>
> > and expert opinions
>
> Which dont say anything like you initially lied about.
>
> > the louder and shriller your name calling gets.
>
> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?
>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where
> it belongs>
>
> Try harder child. You might actually manage to fool someone sometime, before
> you actually burst a blood vessel.
With no facts and no factual support, Rod brays louder and louder.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <643advF29skv3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:52:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are
>>>>>>>>> talking depression.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate
>>>>>>>> that claim.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about
>>>>>>>> depression ever since 1929.
>>>>
>>>>>>> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
>>>>>>> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
>>>>
>>>>>> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
>>>>>> that we havent had a full depression since that one.
>>>>
>>>>> Which is why people have forgotten it's lessons
>>>>
>>>> No they havent. The fed is already applying the lessons that were
>>>> learnt
>>>> at that time and is taking the steps we learnt were required to
>>>> ensure that
>>>> we wont have a depression, just like it has quite a few times since
>>>> 1929.
>>>>
>>>>> and dismantled many of the preventative measures
>>>>> that were put in place when the knowledge was fresh.
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. List even a single one of those, you
>>>> cant.
>>>>
>>>>> It might just be time for another then, aye?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>>>>
>>>>> Or are you in the school of "the fundamentals have changed
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> and we're smarter than that now. they're
>>>>> always the ones leading us into the next crash.
>>>>
>>>> How odd that we havent actually had a full depression since 1929.
>>>>
>>>> Thats only a decade short of a full century now.
>>>>
>>>>>> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>>>>
>>>>> Yep. I've noted often that following the fundamentals with a
>>>>> proper mix of Keynesian and monetarist polices has made recession
>>>>> less frequent and less severe.
>>>>
>>>> And we havent had a full depression for almost a century now.
>>>>
>>>> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>>>>
>>>>> But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to
>>>> avoid a depression.
>>>>
>>>>> and deregulated many of the measures taken that gave us those
>>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> You cant deregulate a measure.
>>>>
>>>>> You're not noticing the new and highly creative things the Fed is
>>>>> doing this month?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing new or highly creative.
>>>>
>>>>> That's desperation.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, entirely appropriate to the current circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>> they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are
>>>>> unavailable.
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done
>>>> in the
>>>> last month is an old tool used again, because it works and will do
>>>> so again.
>>>>
>>>>> They're desperately scrambling to find some way to hold this all
>>>>> together. It's getting down to baling wire and duct tape at this
>>>>> point.
>>>>
>>>> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
>>>>
>>>>> For example - the stimulus package is going to return virtually
>>>>> nothing because we've neutralized it as a tool because of the
>>>>> amount of our goods and services that come from over seas now.
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The vast bulk of services are STILL
>>>> provided
>>>> locally and so stimulate the economy, just like they have always
>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> And while some of the cheap goods come from overseas, a large part
>>>> of the stimulus sales of them provide still pays the wages of the
>>>> moneys
>>>> involved in selling them in the US, just like they always have
>>>> been.
>>>>
>>>>> One or two hops and those dollars are in China, Japan, the UK,
>>>>> Canada, etc.
>>>>
>>>> A small subset of those dollars, actually. And that STILL ensures
>>>> that china wont
>>>> see a full depression either, and thats what matters for the US
>>>> economy anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> Even if the work or goods are made or done here,
>>>>> more of the companies doing it are foreign owned.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck all of them are, actually.
>>>>
>>>>> (www.economyincrisis.org)
>>>>
>>>> Pure drivel.
>>>>
>>>>> and the profits go overseas.
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>
>>>>> This cuts the multiplier considerably
>>>>
>>>> Pigs arse it does since the same mindless pig
>>>> ignorant hyperventilation was done about the Japs.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing thats changed is that much more of it ends up in
>>>> china instead of in japan.
>>>>
>>>>> (hopefully you've read enough to know what we're talking about).
>>>>
>>>> Known what that was about since before you were even born thanks
>>>> child.
>>>>
>>>>> Similarly lowering interest rates to increase monetary supply
>>>>
>>>> That isnt why interest rates are lowered.
>>>>
>>>>> isn't as useful a tool any more because it only drives the dollar
>>>>> lower,
>>>>
>>>> The dollar is irrelevant to stopping the economy from going into
>>>> depression.
>>>>
>>>>> making oil cost more and pulling foreign investment away from the
>>>>> US
>>>>
>>>> The US doesnt need foreign investment, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> (and foreign investment is almost all that keeping us afloat.)
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>
>>>>> Lowering dollar and lowering interest rates make
>>>>> Japan and China less interested in our treasuries,
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The yuan is close to locked to the
>>>> USD. And US interest rates still leave those in Japan for dead.
>>>>
>>>>> and that's what's financing Bush's deficit spending and war.
>>>>
>>>> They get to like that or lump it.
>>>>
>>>>> we could go on but an intelligent person will get the idea.
>>>>
>>>> Only a very stupid person would run those bare faced pig ignorant
>>>> lies.
>>>>
>>>>> Our customary tools have been broken.
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>
>>>>> The fed is struggling to find ways that might work.
>>>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>
>>>> The credit crunch is quite different to what was last seen.
>>>> The way of dealing with that is necessarily different.
>>>>
>>>>> With luck and ingenuity they might manage.
>>>>
>>>> No might about it, they'll manage fine, just like they have for the
>>>> last century.
>>>>
>>>>> But nothing so far looks near clever enough or effective enough.
>>>>
>>>> Only in the eyes of pig ignorant fools that dont have a clue about
>>>> whats actually happening.
>>>>
>>>>> But shit idiots like you are still denying we're even in a
>>>>> recession.
>>>>
>>>> Corse that wouldnt be you doing any name calling, would it
>>>> hypocrite ?
>>>>
>>>> And I never ever said a word about a recession anyway, liar.
>>>>
>>>>> And clinging to high school definitions and sloppy logic to
>>>>> pretend we're not.
>>>>
>>>>> SO is this where you talk issues or just cant more denials and
>>>>> names?
>>>>
>>>> You in spades, child.
>>>>
>>>>> Like I have to ask.
>>>>
>>>> You in spades, child.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So once again you got nothing. LOL.
>>
>> You in spades, child.
>
> No citation. Just ad hominem attacks.
You in spades, fuckwit.
== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:53 pm
From: Billy
In article <6439rtF29iprpU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>> That's desperation.
>
> >> Nope, entirely appropriate to the current circumstances.
>
> > Desperation is totally appropriate at this time, yes.
>
> Pathetic.
>
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/mar/15/creditcrunch.useconomy4
> > Credit crunch woes claim America's fifth-biggest bank
>
> You previously claimed that it aint a bank. Do at least TRY
> to maintain a consistent line in mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
> > . . .
> > "Analysts said the call for help from the Fed amounted to an act of
> > desperation.
>
> Just some stupid journalist's claim.
>
> > Carl Lantz, at Credit Suisse, said it meant the bank
> > "didn't have enough money to turn the lights on this morning".
>
> Just more mindless hyperventilation.
>
> > http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5b2b37da-f232-11dc-9b45-0000779fd2ac.html
> > Financial Times - UK
> > Dow down in the doldrums
>
> > By Dominic Picarda
>
> > Published: March 15 2008 02:00 | Last updated: March 15 2008 02:00
>
> > The US Federal Reserve's latest act of desperation
>
> Just another stupid pig ignorant journo.
>
> > to cope with the deepening crisis has produced the customary fillip
> > in stock markets. But, as with its other interventions since August,
> > the Fed's decision to accept mortgage-backed securities as loan
> > collateral will probably fail to arrest equities' downward spiral.
>
> Different matter entirely to your stupid claims about the economy about to
> implode.
>
> > Ignoring this stunt, though,
>
> It aint a stunt.
>
> > there is a good reason why the Dow might bounce just now.
>
> > I could go on and on,
>
> And fool absolutely no one at all, as always.
>
> > but that's enough to point out how foolish your being.
>
> Wrong again, you blew both feet right off.
>
> > Do you want to stop or do I need to keep rubbing your
> > nose in knowledge in hope you might smell some?
>
> I find it a lot more amusing watching you keep blowing both feet off.
>
> Keep doing it child.
And the basis for Rod's judgemnt is nada, zip, no citations, no
evidence. The man is a loser. If I can call him a man, seems like a real
sorry ass example if you ask me.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <642kv6F29kf11U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>
>>>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking
>>>>> depression.
>>
>>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that
>>>> claim.
>>
>>>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression
>>>> ever since 1929.
>>
>>> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
>>> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
>>
>> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that we havent
>> had a full depression since that one.
>>
>> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>>
>>> If you can't small the desperation from the daily Fed gymnastics
>>> you're hopeless.
>>
>> We'll see if we get a full depression, child.
>>
>> And even if we do, we survived the last one fine.
>>
>>>> And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they
>>>> did fine regardless.
>>
>>> Chuckle. What are you smoking? it must be good.
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>> They did see a few suicides, of those who are better off dead anyway.
>>
>> You should take a leaf from their book, just dont make a mess of the
>> carpet.
> Stage two, be abusive.
Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh gutless ?
== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <642h7gF29vs63U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> haber14@lycos.com wrote
>>>>>> Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote
>>>>>>> habe...@lycos.com wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> Let that market keep sinking, should be great buys in a couple
>>>>>>>> of months.
>>
>>>>>>> I've been trying to decide if the lowest point is
>>>>>>> going to be before the election or after. Any ideas?
>>
>>>>>> Mid-summer is what I'm hearing.
>>
>>>> Just plucked out of someone's arse.
>>
>>>>>> Watch events closely.
>>
>>>> That doesnt help.
>>
>>>>>> Personally, I'm concerned that we are at a dead end.
>>
>>>> The same claim has been made about every
>>>> downturn, its never been true even of 1929.
>>
>>>>>> Not many products to sell,
>>
>>>> Modern first world economys are about a hell of a lot more than
>>>> just products to sell.
>>
>>>> There will always be plenty of services to sell.
>>
>>>>>> rising energy costs,
>>
>>>> We've survived that fine before.
>>
>>>>>> a factionalized country,
>>
>>>> Nothing like as factionalized as it has been in the past and
>>>> survived fine.
>>
>>>>>> and an incoming President who will be under heavy attack the
>>>>>> minute he is sworn in.
>>
>>>> No Prez has much to do with the state of the economy, whatever
>>>> they like to think.
>>
>>>>> I'd suggest looking how long it took the 1929 market to find
>>>>> bottom.
>>
>>>> Not relevant. We've worked out how to avoid full depressions.
>>
>>>>> Look at the desperation in the feds actions for the last two
>>>>> weeks. Unprecedented bail outs and measures day after day. That's
>>>>> a
>>>>> dive alarm on the submarine. Prepare to dive. AUUUGA!
>>
>>>> Lot more viable than the mindless approach taken in 1929 for years.
>>
>>>>> we're going into a really ugly period.
>>
>>>> Nope, you watch.
>>
>>>>> At the risk of sounding too conspiracy minded i would note that
>>>>> the great depression last time spawned fascist governments around
>>>>> the world.
>>
>>>> And that wont happen again, because of what happened with those.
>>
>>>> We wont see communism booming ever again either, you watch.
>>
>>>>> America is facing the end of empire
>>
>>>> Nope. The full commercialisation of almost all technology still
>>>> happens there first, most recently with google, ebay, paypal etc
>>>> etc etc.
>>
>>>> Thats not going to stop happening, because of why it still happens.
>>
>>>>> and has been stepping very close to fascism in the last 7 years.
>>
>>>> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like fascism.
>>
>>>> And he's going quietly too, not even the remotest possibility that
>>>> he will refuse to go and will try to stay in power, even as some
>>>> like Putin are doing. And if he was stupid enough to try that,
>>>> he'd be out on his arse so fast he wouldnt know what hit him.
>>
>>>>> The political risks of this depression (yes D not R)
>>
>>>> You wouldnt know what a real depression was if it bit you on your
>>>> lard arse.
>>
>>>>> could be far greater than the economics risks.
>>
>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and
>>>> countless smaller conflicts.
>>
>>> And those were fun?
>>
>> No one said anything about fun.
>>
>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>
>> Neither is you mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>> Ah the last of the faithful. Sheesh.
>>
>> Or someone with a clue, unlike mindless hysterics like you and your
>> ilk.
>>
>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking
>>> depression.
>>
>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that
>> claim.
>>
>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression
>> ever since 1929.
>>
>> And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they
>> did fine regardless.
>>
>>> Can you see the pyramids from there?
>>
>> Nope.
> Citation please. Otherwise you are just pulling out your a-se.
How odd that there aint even a single cite from you, gutless.
== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:50 pm
From: "123" <123@tgy.com>
Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
stuff_stuff@comcast.net desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 7:17 pm
From: jiya
hi!
for gr8 sport news,chating, horoscope and dating and home baed work
earning site visit this site: http://homeearing.page.tl
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 7:17 pm
From: Hoots
Big Mikey wrote:
> Screw the bunny.
>
> Its the price of eggs that has me pissed off.
>
> I am supposed to be happy because eggs went on sale at Smiths for $1.49/doz?
> How much are you guys paying?
>
Kroger had them at $1.89 a couple weeks ago
Pretty magical eggs, eh?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:34 pm
From: "OhioGuy"
My wife loves "Andy Capp's Cheddar Fries". (not the hot fries) However,
it seems to be more and more difficult to find them any more, and I have a
problem with paying anything over 50 cents for a 3 ounce bag of any snack.
These things cost $5 a pound.
I'm looking for some generic or other brand with a similar taste that I
might be able to buy a 1 pound bag for $2 or so.
Can anyone recommend anything? Frankly, I don't feel like overpaying just
because Andy Capp's picture is on them.
Thanks!
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