Sunday, November 11, 2007

25 new messages in 23 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* check fraud - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f8f2ab630e63181?hl=en
* Under counter kitchen wraps holder/dispenser - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/986cb6e0b5e47670?hl=en
* Discount item scalping - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f44a8366af395738?hl=en
* How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a0ee7a8600425be?hl=en
* Mulberry Roxanne - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e547e55be6cd13de?hl=en
* Mulberry Emmy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7b4f0531986f7df0?hl=en
* Mulberry New Oscar - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f18ae8506a52f3e?hl=en
* Mulberry Ledbury - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/57ccebb648cce0a0?hl=en
* Mulberry Phoebe - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dde5177e00f66302?hl=en
* Mulberry Brynmore - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cab4882035f43a78?hl=en
* Black Knightsbridge - www.handbagstrade.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/78ea1fa8b7d92529?hl=en
* Mulberry Travel Bag - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7022dc66c28b4d45?hl=en
* Mulberry Clutch - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dfa850c35fa3653d?hl=en
* Mulberry Knitted Bag - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1d1aed282c03783d?hl=en
* Mulberry Belgrave - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c45dbd7d2bac1f3?hl=en
* Mulberry Bayswater - www.handbagstrade.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/77b24d8b15a6d665?hl=en
* Mulberry Brooke - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f2756fb3141287d0?hl=en
* Mulberry Elgin - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a7158cebdd33e110?hl=en
* Mulberry Marylebone - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dc344ea8a5edfe10?hl=en
* Mulberry Large Tote - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/596c22a501e8717d?hl=en
* Mulberry Alana - www.handbagstrade.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bd01f88e4f4c9560?hl=en
* Mulberry Bloomsbury - www.handbagstrade.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/367617643c3cc9eb?hl=en
* Mulberry Kensington - www.handbagstrade.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/428e1cf52760ea1a?hl=en

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TOPIC: check fraud
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f8f2ab630e63181?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:04 pm
From: Gordon


"unreelistuk@aol.com" <user132384@aol.com> wrote in
news:1194796636.801807.110980@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> I called up my automated phone teller system at my credit union to
> check on my account, yesterday, and found out my checking account had
> almost no money left in it, when it was supposed to have about
> $1,500.
>
> Sure enough, a check for $1,500 had cleared about 5 days ago,
> bringing the account down to near zero.
>
> I sure didn't write the check for $1,500. It looks like a mistake
> on the part of the credit union, or just plain fraud. The check
> number was about 500 higher than my current check number.
>
> Of course I found out on a weekend, and the credit union is closed
> until Monday, so I get to stress out about it until Monday, at the
> least.
>
> The website for the credit union says each account is insured by the
> FCUA (Federal Credit Union Assoc) for $100,000.
>
> My question is whether the credit union will refund the $1,500 if
> it is indeed fraud.
>
> Thanks
>

Different banks will handle the situation differently. But when it
happened to me, my credit union put provisional funds back into my
account while they investigated.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:43 pm
From: George Grapman


Gordon wrote:
> "unreelistuk@aol.com" <user132384@aol.com> wrote in
> news:1194796636.801807.110980@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I called up my automated phone teller system at my credit union to
>> check on my account, yesterday, and found out my checking account had
>> almost no money left in it, when it was supposed to have about
>> $1,500.
>>
>> Sure enough, a check for $1,500 had cleared about 5 days ago,
>> bringing the account down to near zero.
>>
>> I sure didn't write the check for $1,500. It looks like a mistake
>> on the part of the credit union, or just plain fraud. The check
>> number was about 500 higher than my current check number.
>>
>> Of course I found out on a weekend, and the credit union is closed
>> until Monday, so I get to stress out about it until Monday, at the
>> least.
>>
>> The website for the credit union says each account is insured by the
>> FCUA (Federal Credit Union Assoc) for $100,000.
>>
>> My question is whether the credit union will refund the $1,500 if
>> it is indeed fraud.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> Different banks will handle the situation differently. But when it
> happened to me, my credit union put provisional funds back into my
> account while they investigated.

I had the opposite one. I deposited a $500 check in a Wells-Fargo
ATM. The next day the phone system reflected a $5,000 deposit. I checked
my receipt and it showed $5000 deposited. I called the bank and the rep
said she was freezing my account because she suspected fraud on my part.
I tried to explain that if I was defrauding them I would not be
bringing it to their attention. Too other reps refused to budge so I had
to go to my branch where the manager acted as if he was doing me a favor
by letting me have access to the funds on hand prior to that deposit on
warning me of the consequences of fraud.
The next day the mistake was rectified and as soon as all my
outstanding checks had been cleared I closed my account. The same
manager was called over and he still felt that he had done me a favor.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:59 pm
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <1194796636.801807.110980@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
"unreelistuk@aol.com" <user132384@aol.com> wrote:

> I called up my automated phone teller system at my credit union to
> check on my account, yesterday, and found out my checking account had
> almost no money left in it, when it was supposed to have about
> $1,500.
>
> Sure enough, a check for $1,500 had cleared about 5 days ago,
> bringing the account down to near zero.
>
> I sure didn't write the check for $1,500. It looks like a mistake
> on the part of the credit union, or just plain fraud. The check
> number was about 500 higher than my current check number.
>
> Of course I found out on a weekend, and the credit union is closed
> until Monday, so I get to stress out about it until Monday, at the
> least.
>
> The website for the credit union says each account is insured by the
> FCUA (Federal Credit Union Assoc) for $100,000.
>
> My question is whether the credit union will refund the $1,500 if
> it is indeed fraud.

If you didn't write the check, you will be reimbursed. A couple of
months ago, an electronic transfer of $570 was made out of my checking
account to pay an insurance company with which I have never done
business. My credit union had me fill out a dispute form and sign it. A
few days later, the missing funds were returned to my account and that
was the end of it. I suggest you go down to the nearest credit union
branch tomorrow (Monday) and dispute this transaction.


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TOPIC: Under counter kitchen wraps holder/dispenser
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/986cb6e0b5e47670?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:08 pm
From: DerbyDad03


On Nov 11, 7:48 pm, "Walter Cohen" <w_co...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In my kitchen I have a plastic slide-out "drawer" that has space for 4 rolls
> of kitchen wraps (i.e. foil, wax paper, plastic wrap, and paper toweling).
> This "drawer" is attached to the underside of my upper wall kitchen cabinet.
> It provides a quick, out of the way place to store and make use of all those
> rolls of kitchen wrap instead of keeping each separate box somewhere in the
> cupboard and having to search out each roll.
> What's nice about it is the unraveled ends of each roll hang down loosely
> underneath the "drawer" and each roll slot has a cutting edge to make
> tearing the correct sized sheet off the roll.
>
> Anyway, I need to replace this "thing" and have not been able to find
> anything similar anywhere in any store (i.e. Target, home depot, Wal-Mart,
> lnt, bed bath and beyond, etc).
>
> Does anyone know what I'm referring to and know where I might find one of
> these? I don't know what else to do with the 3 or 4 rolls of wraps and
> paper toweling for quick and easy access and use. I don't particularly like
> the standing pole thingy for paper toweling as it just takes up space on the
> counter.
>
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks.
> Walter

Try this link to ebay:

http://tinyurl.com/26cej4

If it doesn't work, search ebay for Wrap Center and look at the 16th
item down, as of 11/11/07

Full link is
http://cgi.ebay.com/The-WRAP-CENTER-Kitchen-food-wrap-dispenser-New_W0QQitemZ110190347526QQihZ001QQcategoryZ46283QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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TOPIC: Discount item scalping
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f44a8366af395738?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:14 pm
From: Logan Shaw


BrotherSandMonkey wrote:
> On Nov 10, 6:07 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote:
>> What stops the customers from going to Aldi or Save A Lot?
>
> Ain't the point. These Arab and Asian Indian food market operators
> need to get their products from a wholesale
> outfit not from Aldi and Save A Lot. What's the matter? Are they
> afraid to stock only name brands and nonAldi
> and nonSave A Lot authentic offbrand items?

Why do they need to? Because you want them to?

How is this different than when The UPS Store sells stamps at a premium?
You can go buy them at the regular post office for less, so by your rules
The UPS Store should not be allowed to offer them.

- Logan


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TOPIC: How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a0ee7a8600425be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:27 pm
From: "Don K"


"Trygve Lillefosse" <news@lillefosse.NOSPAM.org> wrote in message
news:i59fj3dpkg45l0gbe1k1c7n40v2csrn8r9@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:09:48 -0500, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>news:%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY sort of IR
>>> camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd be worth a C-note to me
>>> to
>>> be able to target my limited repair funds at the worst leaks.
>>
>>Some digital cameras and webcams already respond to IR.
>>
>>There are various instructions around on how to convert them into IR cameras.
>>http://www.metacafe.com/watch/395292/take_infrared_pictures_with_your_digital_camera/
>>
>>No thanks are necessary. Just send me the C-note. :)
>
> Unfortunately, they can only be converted to near infaread(light) nor
> far infaread(heat).

Oh well. I thought we were onto something.
So near, and yet so far.

Don



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TOPIC: Mulberry Roxanne
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e547e55be6cd13de?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:48 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Emmy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7b4f0531986f7df0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:49 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry Emmy

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TOPIC: Mulberry New Oscar
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f18ae8506a52f3e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:50 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry New Oscar

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TOPIC: Mulberry Ledbury
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/57ccebb648cce0a0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:50 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Phoebe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dde5177e00f66302?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:52 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry Phoebe

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TOPIC: Mulberry Brynmore
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cab4882035f43a78?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:53 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry Brynmore

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TOPIC: Black Knightsbridge - www.handbagstrade.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/78ea1fa8b7d92529?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:53 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Black Knightsbridge

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USD50~USD90),wholesale replica bags handbags purses wallets at low
price ( cheap ) (China wholesaler)
*high quality
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TOPIC: Mulberry Travel Bag
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7022dc66c28b4d45?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:54 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry Travel Bag

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TOPIC: Mulberry Clutch
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dfa850c35fa3653d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:54 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry Clutch

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TOPIC: Mulberry Knitted Bag
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1d1aed282c03783d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:55 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Belgrave
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c45dbd7d2bac1f3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:56 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


Mulberry Belgrave

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TOPIC: Mulberry Bayswater - www.handbagstrade.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/77b24d8b15a6d665?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:58 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Brooke
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f2756fb3141287d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:58 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Elgin
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a7158cebdd33e110?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:59 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Marylebone
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dc344ea8a5edfe10?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 6:00 pm
From: ju.dy1119@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Large Tote
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/596c22a501e8717d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 6:10 pm
From: judy.1114@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Alana - www.handbagstrade.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bd01f88e4f4c9560?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 6:11 pm
From: judy.1114@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Bloomsbury - www.handbagstrade.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/367617643c3cc9eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 6:13 pm
From: judy.1114@163.com


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TOPIC: Mulberry Kensington - www.handbagstrade.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/428e1cf52760ea1a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 6:13 pm
From: judy.1114@163.com


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24 new messages in 17 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Discount item scalping - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f44a8366af395738?hl=en
* What will rejuvenate markers? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/372a24564d852fdd?hl=en
* Dollar crash: Calculated Chaos....Calculated Collapse - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d74c0bbdda983e8f?hl=en
* Who has second freezer to save on groceries? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ce4bab9e3f83f56?hl=en
* What to do when the city ruins your sidewalk? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fff69264218978cf?hl=en
* MOVING AWAY FROM HOME COUNTRY - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/03f576f8de8b6147?hl=en
* LEARNING ANYTHING HAS BECOME SO EASY - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5a9d8202e93939a2?hl=en
* AD: Nov 11 - Nov 18 Weekly Specials at Southern Soapers Fragrances - 1
messages, 1 author
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* Louis Vuitton,Monogram Travel,Damier Canvas,Epi leather,Multicolor,Taiga
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 12:33 pm
From: BrotherSandMonkey


On Nov 10, 6:07 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote:
> What stops the customers from going to Aldi or Save A Lot?

Ain't the point. These Arab and Asian Indian food market operators
need to get their products from a wholesale
outfit not from Aldi and Save A Lot. What's the matter? Are they
afraid to stock only name brands and nonAldi
and nonSave A Lot authentic offbrand items?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 12:37 pm
From: BrotherSandMonkey


On Nov 10, 6:23 pm, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
>
> Mark-up is when someone buys goods and resells them at a higher price
> sufficient to make a reasonable profit.
>
> All stores engage in mark-up. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.


Whateva ya call it, have it markup. There should be scruples in the
manner it's done and *what* products.
Not Aldi and Save A Lot products. They should be sold to consumers
only, not dealers. "No dealers. Thank you."
I've seen this polite warning before.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:50 pm
From: clams casino


BrotherSandMonkey wrote:

>On Nov 10, 6:07 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote:
>
>
>>What stops the customers from going to Aldi or Save A Lot?
>>
>>
>
> Ain't the point. These Arab and Asian Indian food market operators
>need to get their products from a wholesale
> outfit not from Aldi and Save A Lot. What's the matter? Are they
>afraid to stock only name brands and nonAldi
> and nonSave A Lot authentic offbrand items?
>
>
>
>
With a relative in the restaurant business, I can vouch that many items
at Sams, Costco, etc are cheaper than typical wholesalers.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:20 pm
From: Bill Penrose


On Oct 31, 2:03 pm, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I seem to recall reading somewhere that dipping dried out magic
> markers in toluene will work, but can't seem to find it in the local
> hardware stores, though I thought I've seen it in the past.

The markers they sell now smell more of xylene (xylol) than toluene.
If the marker is dry you should be able to wick some solvent by
dipping the tip in a shallow pool of xylene in the bottom of a jar,
sealing, and leaving it for a few hours. When the solvent starts to
color from the ink, you are done.

This won't get much solvent into the pen, and expect it to dry out
soon. Drilling a tiny hole (watch for sparks!) and injecting the
solvent with a syringe might work. Seal the hole with a small sheet
metal screw. Tape won't stick for long.

See? Isn't it better to buy fresh markers?

Dangerous Bill


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:53 pm
From: clams casino


AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message
>news:13jedhgc6kthd41@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>>clams casino wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Logan Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>YTR wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>First of all, I should make the point, not that readers of these
>>>>>newsletters need telling, that the economic system is utterly, totally
>>>>>and completely, without any saving grace, insane to the point where
>>>>>nothing less than a padded cell is applicable. Or, at least it would
>>>>>be if its intention was really to serve the interests of the human
>>>>>race and our shared environment. But, given that its entire structure
>>>>>is there to enslave the global population, the apparently insane
>>>>>morphs into the truly brilliant ...
>>>>>
>>>>>... The simple fact is this: When banks make a loan they 'create' on
>>>>>their computer screens (put into circulation) the amount of the loan.
>>>>>They do not create the interest that will have to be paid on that
>>>>>loan. This means that there is never enough 'money' in circulation to
>>>>>pay back all the principle and interest on the loans that have been
>>>>>made at every level of global society.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unpayable debt, bankruptcy and economic catastrophe for the victims is
>>>>>built into the system - on purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OOOGA BOOOGA BOOOGA! THE DEBT MONSTER IS GOING TO GET US!
>>>>
>>>>THE SKY IS FALLING! THE ONE WORLD ORDER ILLUMINATI CONSPIRACY IS GOING
>>>>TO TAKE OVER! IN FACT, THEY'VE ALREADY MOSTLY GOT CONTROL AND ARE IN
>>>>THE FINAL STEPS OF THEIR TAKEOVER!
>>>>
>>>>THE STOCK MARKET IS ALL SECRETLY CONTROLLED BY A BANK OF COMPUTERS
>>>>IN A FACTORY WORKER'S BASEMENT IN INDIANA! AND THEY'RE MACINTOSHES!
>>>>
>>>>WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, AND I URGE YOU TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY! PLUS
>>>>IF YOU ACT NOW, WE'LL THROW IN THIS FREE APPLE PEELER!
>>>>
>>>> - Logan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>and send a thank you to baby Bush for all his ineptness that got the US
>>>into this situation.
>>>
>>>
>> Heckuva job Bushie!
>>
>>
>>
>this was planned long before any bush became prez.
>
>
>
>
Fully agree that GW's ineptness started long before he became prez.

What does that say about those who voted for him?


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TOPIC: Who has second freezer to save on groceries?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 2:37 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:54:34 -0800, Ron Peterson <ron@shell.core.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 10, 11:25 am, varois83 <varoi...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here do that and what has your experience/savings been?
>
>I tried that, but lost my freezer contents due to an electrical
>outage.
>
>The electricity costs eliminate much of your savings. And then you
>should consider the cost of the freezer, the interest costs on what
>the freezer costs, and the space that the freezer takes.

Electricity costs on the newer freezers has become inconsequential.
Our new 20+ cu ft. freezer has an energy rating that gives average
yearly electric costs as less than $50/yr. With proper use, it is
possible to recoup the cost of a unit within a year.

>Many times the meats on sale are lower quality, so you aren't coming
>out ahead. Also, food deteriorates even if it is frozen. Many meats
>are better if they are never frozen.

True but - water packing fish and tightly wrapping products can
minimize the damage.

>If you do get a freezer, consider storing flour in it to keep it
>insect free.

Most freezer interiors are insect free already. :)


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 2:40 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com


>http://www.city-data.com/forum/alabama/On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:48:32 -0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

>>>You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
>>>If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
>>>and having a new one poured.
>
>Hey, he still remembers how to post!

Yep!

Another alternative might be putting in a super deck, like Mr. Heston
just supervised construction on for me. :-) Thank-you, sir.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 3:58 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)


In article <431fj3tt57iq5ofbehqnf0d9qh1tmjtf2n@4ax.com>,
<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.city-data.com/forum/alabama/On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:48:32
>-0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

>>>>You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
>>>>If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
>>>>and having a new one poured.

>>Hey, he still remembers how to post!

>Yep!

>Another alternative might be putting in a super deck, like Mr. Heston
>just supervised construction on for me. :-) Thank-you, sir.

The deck you designed might be a bit thick for use as a sidewalk
alternative; sidewalks are usually about 6" thick, your deck structure
is about 11". Of course, that might be a good way to conceal tire spikes.

Glad to help!


Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 2:59 pm
From: angela_gracy


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 3:39 pm
From: George Grapman


angela_gracy wrote:
> LEARN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE AND DIFFERENT SPEECHES
>
> MOVING AWAY FROM HOME COUNTRY IS NOT TOO BAD AFTER ALL.
>
> SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR
>
> www.freewebs.com/lingui
>
You give a shining example of the results with your grammar and syntax.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 3:00 pm
From: angela_gracy


LEARN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE AND DIFFERENT SPEECHES

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SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 4:41 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Under counter kitchen wraps holder/dispenser
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 4:48 pm
From: "Walter Cohen"


In my kitchen I have a plastic slide-out "drawer" that has space for 4 rolls
of kitchen wraps (i.e. foil, wax paper, plastic wrap, and paper toweling).
This "drawer" is attached to the underside of my upper wall kitchen cabinet.
It provides a quick, out of the way place to store and make use of all those
rolls of kitchen wrap instead of keeping each separate box somewhere in the
cupboard and having to search out each roll.
What's nice about it is the unraveled ends of each roll hang down loosely
underneath the "drawer" and each roll slot has a cutting edge to make
tearing the correct sized sheet off the roll.

Anyway, I need to replace this "thing" and have not been able to find
anything similar anywhere in any store (i.e. Target, home depot, Wal-Mart,
lnt, bed bath and beyond, etc).

Does anyone know what I'm referring to and know where I might find one of
these? I don't know what else to do with the 3 or 4 rolls of wraps and
paper toweling for quick and easy access and use. I don't particularly like
the standing pole thingy for paper toweling as it just takes up space on the
counter.

Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Walter

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:01 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"


"Walter Cohen" <w_cohen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wnNZi.1240$nt7.529@newsfe10.lga...
> In my kitchen I have a plastic slide-out "drawer" that has space for 4
> rolls of kitchen wraps (i.e. foil, wax paper, plastic wrap, and paper
> toweling). This "drawer" is attached to the underside of my upper wall
> kitchen cabinet.
> It provides a quick, out of the way place to store and make use of all
> those rolls of kitchen wrap instead of keeping each separate box somewhere
> in the cupboard and having to search out each roll.
> What's nice about it is the unraveled ends of each roll hang down loosely
> underneath the "drawer" and each roll slot has a cutting edge to make
> tearing the correct sized sheet off the roll.
>
> Anyway, I need to replace this "thing" and have not been able to find
> anything similar anywhere in any store (i.e. Target, home depot, Wal-Mart,
> lnt, bed bath and beyond, etc).
>
> Does anyone know what I'm referring to and know where I might find one of
> these? I don't know what else to do with the 3 or 4 rolls of wraps and
> paper toweling for quick and easy access and use. I don't particularly
> like the standing pole thingy for paper toweling as it just takes up space
> on the counter.
>
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks.
> Walter

Post a picture of what you have now, at a site like www.photobucket.com

where everyone can see it. Also include photos of the entire kitchen.



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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 4:55 pm
From: Trygve Lillefosse


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:42:25 GMT, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:

>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>> danny burstein wrote:
>>> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers
>>> <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one
>>>> (ANY sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for
>>>> me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited
>>>> repair funds at the worst leaks.
>>>
>>> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
>>> folk. They just might have one.
>>
>> You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
>> Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
>> and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.
>>
>> Anthony
>Okay- a quick Google shows entry-level models of those start at around a
>hundred bucks. Cute, but kind of steep for a one-time-use tool.

Have you got a link to that camera?

I have been thinking of getting one, but found they were way to
expensive.

If I get a guy with a proper camera to come around, it will set me
back at least 300, and then I have to pay again to verify the results.

Even if it's less accurate, it should give very good indication, and I
can do it at my own time and pace.

--
SEE YA !!!
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AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 4:57 pm
From: Trygve Lillefosse


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:09:48 -0500, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com>
wrote:

>"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>news:%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY sort of IR
>> camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to
>> be able to target my limited repair funds at the worst leaks.
>
>Some digital cameras and webcams already respond to IR.
>
>There are various instructions around on how to convert them into IR cameras.
>http://www.metacafe.com/watch/395292/take_infrared_pictures_with_your_digital_camera/
>
>No thanks are necessary. Just send me the C-note. :)

Unfortunately, they can only be converted to near infaread(light) nor
far infaread(heat).

--
SEE YA !!!
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AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 5:03 pm
From: Trygve Lillefosse


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:12:18 -0500, Neon John <no@never.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:14:45 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You might have heard the screams about five years
>>ago when Sony's camcorders, when in "nightshot"
>>mode, could "see through clothing". THe reality
>>is that the sensors could pck up "near infra-red".
>>
>>Many materials that look "black" are really very, very,
>>dark red - letting a teensy bit of visible red
>>through (so small it looks blackish) but a modest
>>amount of near infra-red. So these cameras could
>>kind of, in some instances, maybe... look "through"
>>those fabrics - if they were thin enough.
>
>That camera and any other with the IR cut filter removed and a low pass optical
>filter installed work (quite well, actually) to image through clothes for the simple
>reason that many fabrics are transparent to shortwave IR. The camera doesn't image
>body heat. It images reflected IR that passes through the cloth. Cotton and wool
>are essentially opaque. Light synthetics like rayon are transparent.

Just have to add that you can get a tan with a T-shirt on, it only
takes quite a bit longer than without.

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 4:58 pm
From: Gordon


Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in
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> Gordon wrote:
> ...
>> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
>> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
>> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.
>
> Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
> all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
> selling it anymore.
>
> Anthony

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 8:52 am
From: clams casino


Logan Shaw wrote:

> YTR wrote:
>
>> First of all, I should make the point, not that readers of these
>> newsletters need telling, that the economic system is utterly, totally
>> and completely, without any saving grace, insane to the point where
>> nothing less than a padded cell is applicable. Or, at least it would
>> be if its intention was really to serve the interests of the human
>> race and our shared environment. But, given that its entire structure
>> is there to enslave the global population, the apparently insane
>> morphs into the truly brilliant ...
>>
>> ... The simple fact is this: When banks make a loan they 'create' on
>> their computer screens (put into circulation) the amount of the loan.
>> They do not create the interest that will have to be paid on that
>> loan. This means that there is never enough 'money' in circulation to
>> pay back all the principle and interest on the loans that have been
>> made at every level of global society.
>>
>> Unpayable debt, bankruptcy and economic catastrophe for the victims is
>> built into the system - on purpose.
>
>
> OOOGA BOOOGA BOOOGA! THE DEBT MONSTER IS GOING TO GET US!
>
> THE SKY IS FALLING! THE ONE WORLD ORDER ILLUMINATI CONSPIRACY IS GOING
> TO TAKE OVER! IN FACT, THEY'VE ALREADY MOSTLY GOT CONTROL AND ARE IN
> THE FINAL STEPS OF THEIR TAKEOVER!
>
> THE STOCK MARKET IS ALL SECRETLY CONTROLLED BY A BANK OF COMPUTERS
> IN A FACTORY WORKER'S BASEMENT IN INDIANA! AND THEY'RE MACINTOSHES!
>
> WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, AND I URGE YOU TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY! PLUS
> IF YOU ACT NOW, WE'LL THROW IN THIS FREE APPLE PEELER!
>
> - Logan


and send a thank you to baby Bush for all his ineptness that got the US
into this situation.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:10 am
From: Jeff


clams casino wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>
>> YTR wrote:
>>
>>> First of all, I should make the point, not that readers of these
>>> newsletters need telling, that the economic system is utterly, totally
>>> and completely, without any saving grace, insane to the point where
>>> nothing less than a padded cell is applicable. Or, at least it would
>>> be if its intention was really to serve the interests of the human
>>> race and our shared environment. But, given that its entire structure
>>> is there to enslave the global population, the apparently insane
>>> morphs into the truly brilliant ...
>>>
>>> ... The simple fact is this: When banks make a loan they 'create' on
>>> their computer screens (put into circulation) the amount of the loan.
>>> They do not create the interest that will have to be paid on that
>>> loan. This means that there is never enough 'money' in circulation to
>>> pay back all the principle and interest on the loans that have been
>>> made at every level of global society.
>>>
>>> Unpayable debt, bankruptcy and economic catastrophe for the victims is
>>> built into the system - on purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> OOOGA BOOOGA BOOOGA! THE DEBT MONSTER IS GOING TO GET US!
>>
>> THE SKY IS FALLING! THE ONE WORLD ORDER ILLUMINATI CONSPIRACY IS GOING
>> TO TAKE OVER! IN FACT, THEY'VE ALREADY MOSTLY GOT CONTROL AND ARE IN
>> THE FINAL STEPS OF THEIR TAKEOVER!
>>
>> THE STOCK MARKET IS ALL SECRETLY CONTROLLED BY A BANK OF COMPUTERS
>> IN A FACTORY WORKER'S BASEMENT IN INDIANA! AND THEY'RE MACINTOSHES!
>>
>> WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, AND I URGE YOU TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY! PLUS
>> IF YOU ACT NOW, WE'LL THROW IN THIS FREE APPLE PEELER!
>>
>> - Logan
>
>
>
> and send a thank you to baby Bush for all his ineptness that got the US
> into this situation.

Heckuva job Bushie!

Jeff

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:58 am
From: Dennis


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:52:48 -0500, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>and send a thank you to baby Bush for all his ineptness that got the US
>into this situation.

Don't forget to also send a little thank you to Congress for their
blank-check approvals and shirking of duty.


Dennis (evil)
--
What government gives, it must first take away.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:09 am
From: "Rod Speed"


YTR <zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote:

> The news is filled at the moment with potential
> horror stories about the world economy

No it isnt.

> and it all has a very familiar ring.

Only for the mindless hysterics/doomsayers.

> Forget about the nonsense you hear from economists and business news
> correspondents about the 'economic cycle', it's all run like a military operation.

Yeah, yeah, its all done by jews in smoke filled rooms to shaft us all...

> First of all, I should make the point, not that readers of these
> newsletters need telling, that the economic system is utterly,
> totally and completely, without any saving grace, insane to
> the point where nothing less than a padded cell is applicable.

Is that right ? Have fun explaining how come it
provides all those jobs, houses, cars, etc etc etc ?

> Or, at least it would be if its intention was really to serve the
> interests of the human race and our shared environment. But,
> given that its entire structure is there to enslave the global population,

Yeah, yeah, all those jews in smoke filled rooms again...

> the apparently insane morphs into the truly brilliant ...

You really do need to lay off the magic mushrooms, child.

> ... The simple fact is this: When banks make a loan they 'create' on
> their computer screens (put into circulation) the amount of the loan.

No they dont. They just pay those with surplus money some interest,
and charge a bit more for it to those who choose to borrow from them.

> They do not create the interest that will have to be paid on
> that loan. This means that there is never enough 'money' in
> circulation to pay back all the principle and interest on the
> loans that have been made at every level of global society.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> Unpayable debt, bankruptcy and economic catastrophe
> for the victims is built into the system - on purpose.

Yeah, yeah, all those jews in smoke filled rooms again...

<reams of your puerile silly shit flushed where it belongs>


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:58 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message
news:13jedhgc6kthd41@corp.supernews.com...
> clams casino wrote:
>> Logan Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> YTR wrote:
>>>
>>>> First of all, I should make the point, not that readers of these
>>>> newsletters need telling, that the economic system is utterly, totally
>>>> and completely, without any saving grace, insane to the point where
>>>> nothing less than a padded cell is applicable. Or, at least it would
>>>> be if its intention was really to serve the interests of the human
>>>> race and our shared environment. But, given that its entire structure
>>>> is there to enslave the global population, the apparently insane
>>>> morphs into the truly brilliant ...
>>>>
>>>> ... The simple fact is this: When banks make a loan they 'create' on
>>>> their computer screens (put into circulation) the amount of the loan.
>>>> They do not create the interest that will have to be paid on that
>>>> loan. This means that there is never enough 'money' in circulation to
>>>> pay back all the principle and interest on the loans that have been
>>>> made at every level of global society.
>>>>
>>>> Unpayable debt, bankruptcy and economic catastrophe for the victims is
>>>> built into the system - on purpose.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OOOGA BOOOGA BOOOGA! THE DEBT MONSTER IS GOING TO GET US!
>>>
>>> THE SKY IS FALLING! THE ONE WORLD ORDER ILLUMINATI CONSPIRACY IS GOING
>>> TO TAKE OVER! IN FACT, THEY'VE ALREADY MOSTLY GOT CONTROL AND ARE IN
>>> THE FINAL STEPS OF THEIR TAKEOVER!
>>>
>>> THE STOCK MARKET IS ALL SECRETLY CONTROLLED BY A BANK OF COMPUTERS
>>> IN A FACTORY WORKER'S BASEMENT IN INDIANA! AND THEY'RE MACINTOSHES!
>>>
>>> WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, AND I URGE YOU TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY! PLUS
>>> IF YOU ACT NOW, WE'LL THROW IN THIS FREE APPLE PEELER!
>>>
>>> - Logan
>>
>>
>>
>> and send a thank you to baby Bush for all his ineptness that got the US
>> into this situation.
>
> Heckuva job Bushie!
>
this was planned long before any bush became prez.



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 8:54 am
From: Ron Peterson


On Nov 10, 11:25 am, varois83 <varoi...@netzero.net> wrote:

> Does anyone here do that and what has your experience/savings been?

I tried that, but lost my freezer contents due to an electrical
outage.

The electricity costs eliminate much of your savings. And then you
should consider the cost of the freezer, the interest costs on what
the freezer costs, and the space that the freezer takes.

Many times the meats on sale are lower quality, so you aren't coming
out ahead. Also, food deteriorates even if it is frozen. Many meats
are better if they are never frozen.

If you do get a freezer, consider storing flour in it to keep it
insect free.

--
Ron



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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 8:59 am
From: Ron Peterson


On Nov 11, 9:31 am, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:

> Or just get an IR thermometer for about $50. I recommend the mini temps,
> most have a laser pointer so you can see where you are reading the
> temperature. You'll just scan the house and you'll see the actual
> temperature on the readout. You won't get the big picture, but you'll
> get the job done for a lot less. Mine (Raytek MT4) has an 8 to 1 beam
> spread (1' circle at 8' distance, or 1" at 8") but you can get them
> tighter. Don't go broader.

You can also use the IR thermometer in the kitchen to check the
temperature of soups, hot chocalate, frying pans, etc.

--
Ron

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:14 am
From: danny burstein


>>
>> Another cheap alternative, *IF* you have a 35mm film camera (not
>> digital) is to buy some infrared film and take pictures. Have to wait
>> until they're back from developing, but not too bad. Google '35mm
>> infrared film'.
....
>Hey, that is a market niche for somebody to exploit- have some company
>that makes store-brand disposables do a production run of ones loaded
>with IR film, package them with instructions and a prepaid processing
>envelope, and sell them in the insulation and weatherstripping aisles at
>the big-box stores. (If anybody out there makes a go of that, I want a
>cut of the profits...)

>I can see it now- thousands of DIYs out there at midnight in winter
>coats, taking pictures of there houses, while the neighbors call in
>prowler reports... :^/

Afraid it ain't that simple. "Infrared" sensitive film
is NOT picking up the "heat" (term used a bit loosely)
emissions/reflections that you're looking for.

These products record the "near infra-red" part
of the spectrum. To get the termperature numbers,
you'd have to get to "far infra-red".

"Near infra-red" is the part of the spectrum that's
just beyond the regular "red" in the rainbow.

You might have heard the screams about five years
ago when Sony's camcorders, when in "nightshot"
mode, could "see through clothing". THe reality
is that the sensors could pck up "near infra-red".

Many materials that look "black" are really very, very,
dark red - letting a teensy bit of visible red
through (so small it looks blackish) but a modest
amount of near infra-red. So these cameras could
kind of, in some instances, maybe... look "through"
those fabrics - if they were thin enough.

--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:29 am
From: Neon John


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:01:47 -0600, nick hull <nhull@isp.com> wrote:

>In article <47366460$0$28795$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
>> Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
>> and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.
>
>I've done that from the inside, spotting cold spots that needed more
>insulation. It works and is cheap ;)

I've found that method to work much better with non-contact thermometers, the reason
being that the instrument works better at room temperature than it does in the cold
outdoors.

All that's required is to generate some small amount of negative pressure in the
house - several bathroom vent fans running will do it - and then scan around the
windows and doors. If you're using one of the cheap units with fixed emission
constant, pretty much ignore the actual reading and look for downward change. The
fixed emission constant, usually 0.95, is good only for near-black-body radiators.
Painted surfaces generally aren't.

John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:48 am
From: Neon John


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:04:47 GMT, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:

>> Some digital cameras and webcams already respond to IR.
>>
>> There are various instructions around on how to convert them into IR cameras.
>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/395292/take_infrared_pictures_with_your_digital_camera/
>>
>> No thanks are necessary. Just send me the C-note. :)
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>Interesting- a 'Red Green' solar eclipse/welding viewer. Too bad my toy
>digital doesn't have a protruding lens. I'll have to stare at my digital
>camera and my box of old odd fittings from my collection of 'real' (aka
>film) cameras and see if anything jumps out at me.

The IR response of a digital camera is useless for thermal imaging. This response
maybe extends as far downward as 1.2 microns. Thermal imaging cameras respond to
very long wave IR in the 8 to 14 micron range. The usual imager is an array of
microbolometers that measures actual heating at each pixel and not a CCD or CMOS
device. The better ones use cooled arrays to reduce ambient thermal noise.

The reason thermal imagers are so expensive is that glass cannot be used for lens
material, as it doesn't pass longwave radiation. The traditional lens material is
pure germanium. Just the lens for the thermal imager I used to own cost almost $20k.
I understand that calcium fluoride has become a popular lens material and is
responsible for driving the cost down.

One other comment while I'm here. Handheld or fixed mount IR imaging cameras are NOT
FLIR, though there is a company that as adopted the military acronym as its name.
Forward Looking InfraRed refers to the technology used on planes and helicopters. The
imaging system used in these applications is as much different from the handheld
units as a handycam is to an HiDef studio camera.

I once bought two FLIRs for one of the "B" bombers (B1 or B2, I can't recall now) at
a DMRO surplus sale. Probably one of those sales of strategically sensitive
technology that Congress got its panties in a wad about.

This thing was over 4 ft long and probably 2 ft in diameter and required a forklift
to move. All the optics were germanium including the massive objective lens that was
probably a foot in diameter. It had cooled gold-plated copper AZ-EL mirrors on
frighteningly fast servo mechanisms. The imager itself was cooled somehow -
thermoelectric or sterling, probably. My casual testing showed that it could resolve
a half a degree F between two bodies.

The output was incredible. No smearing or blooming like civilian imagers. Razor
sharp crispness. Full 30 hz frame rate. It had several video output formats
including composite which I used to drive a B&W monitor.

I played with one of them for awhile and then sold them for mucho $$$ to a PCB
manufacturing company that used them for high speed inspection of boards during
burn-in.

John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
Risk: $20 hooker, year old condom.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:49 am
From: "Jim"

"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote
> Or just get an IR thermometer for about $50. I recommend the mini temps,
> most have a laser pointer so you can see where you are reading the
> temperature.

These are generally available at higher end auto parts places; I've seen
techs use them and it is amazing.......


You'll just scan the house and you'll see the actual
> temperature on the readout. You won't get the big picture, but you'll get
> the job done for a lot less. Mine (Raytek MT4) has an 8 to 1 beam spread
> (1' circle at 8' distance, or 1" at 8") but you can get them tighter.
> Don't go broader.
>
> You can look for gaps in insulation or even air leaks around doors. Highly
> usefull.
>
> Jeff
>
>>
>> aem sends...


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:55 am
From: Neon John


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:11:18 -0500, "daestrom" <daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com>
wrote:

>
>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
>> sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd be
>> worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at the
>> worst leaks.
>>
>
>Another cheap alternative, *IF* you have a 35mm film camera (not digital) is
>to buy some infrared film and take pictures. Have to wait until they're
>back from developing, but not too bad. Google '35mm infrared film'.

Film doesn't go anywhere nearly low enough to capture ambient IR. It's response is
better than CCDs but nowhere near low enough to capture ambient radiation in the 8 to
14 micron range. Even if the chemistry were possible, the film isn't for the obvious
reason - it would instantly be fogged by the thermal radiation emitted by itself and
everything around it.

Here's an article that covers the technical aspects of IR photography.

http://msp.rmit.edu.au/Article_03/02e.html

A photo that every IR buff has to take at some point in his "career" is that of a hot
clothes iron. If the iron is turned as hot as it will go (modern irons crippled with
lawyeritis might not even go that hot) looks like an eerie glowing object that has to
be radioactive. It isn't visible to IR film until it is at almost full heat.

John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
Democracy is three wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 12:12 pm
From: Neon John


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:14:45 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:


>You might have heard the screams about five years
>ago when Sony's camcorders, when in "nightshot"
>mode, could "see through clothing". THe reality
>is that the sensors could pck up "near infra-red".
>
>Many materials that look "black" are really very, very,
>dark red - letting a teensy bit of visible red
>through (so small it looks blackish) but a modest
>amount of near infra-red. So these cameras could
>kind of, in some instances, maybe... look "through"
>those fabrics - if they were thin enough.

That camera and any other with the IR cut filter removed and a low pass optical
filter installed work (quite well, actually) to image through clothes for the simple
reason that many fabrics are transparent to shortwave IR. The camera doesn't image
body heat. It images reflected IR that passes through the cloth. Cotton and wool
are essentially opaque. Light synthetics like rayon are transparent.

John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
I love cats ... they taste just like chicken.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:21 am
From: A Veteran


In the morning when it's cold and dark we like to get the fire started.
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--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:29 am
From: Dennis


On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:24:34 -0500, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:

>Life isn't fair.

Actually life is fair, but what most people miss is that sometimes
fair sucks. ;-)


Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:33 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 9:41 am
From: "augusto321@hotmail.com"


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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 10:26 am
From: Steven


On Nov 11, 6:53 am, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Gee, that's cool. How did you arrange that? LOL
>
> --
> Buddy
> from Brooklyn
>
> "Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we
> accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory
> identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost
> a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest,
> revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither
> maintain nor deserve freedom for long."
> - Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194710311.380501.92260@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 5:22 am, "Buddy" <rosieonmych...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> My sister's birthday, and now my grandson's is December 27. You wanna
> >> talk
> >> about getting screwed?! "Here's your Christmas AND birthday gift!"
>
> > My birthday is June 26, so I spread it out every six month even.

---I--- didn't arrange ANYTHING...I just showed up at about 7:30 in
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:38 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> throwitout wrote

>> With any make your own washer, use demineralized water or else you'll start getting buildup in the hoses.

> Listen to this man.

No thanks.

> I went through this twice (on two different cars)
> before I finally figured out what was going on.

I've never ever got that effect, since before you were even born.

> On the first car, I believe the entire pump had to be replaced.

That wont have been because you didnt use demineralised water.

> On the second, the spray nozzles that are mounted in the hood is what had to be replaced.

Because the water you used had more minerals than usual.

> I went to the Toyota dealership and got OEM parts, but they did not fit quite right, and more importantly, the water
> sprayed too far[1], so
> in order to hit the windshield (rather than the top of the car or the
> trunk), I had to tap the button repeatedly to get little spurts of water.

You should have got the correct nozzles.

> All that could have been avoided had I bought distilled (or deionized or filtered) water.

Nope, not if the filtering hadnt got rid of the minerals.

> And distilled water will probably clean better anyway: since it has essentially nothing dissolved in it, it picks up
> water-soluble stuff pretty well.

Mindlessly silly. The real way to get it to clean better is
to put some extra stuff in with the water. And it isnt getting
the grime off the windscreen by dissolving it either.

> [1] And no, they weren't adjustable like the metal ones on old GM cars.

Then you should have got better ones.



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 11:41 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Siskuwihane <Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 10:34 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joe <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
>>>> I didn't say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
>>>> kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
>>>> and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.
>>> I'm pretty sure nobody was promoting it's use... The original
>>> question was aswered as to who, what, when, where, why, etc...
>>> Thread is dead as far as I'm concerned - and it was my original
>>> post.
>>
>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
>> irrelevant.
>
> Even when a thread is dead, Rod has to get in the last word.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?



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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 12:28 pm
From: BrotherSandMonkey


On Nov 10, 6:31 pm, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com>
wrote:

> Many inexperienced eBay sellers (frequently below their real costs when
> they are ignorant of their real costs)..

I read of a woman who bought clothes in large quantities in order
to sell on eBay (where such items as human organs were sold sometime
ago!) to make a profit and ended up selling them cheaply on eBay just
to get rid of them. People want bargains on eBay, where items can be
overpriced...such as retro items made a few years ago being passed off
as authentic original 60s collectibles. Simply a con.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 12:29 pm
From: BrotherSandMonkey


On Nov 10, 5:48 pm, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com>
wrote:
> Unfortunately, Walmart does the same thing - they buy goods, mark up
> the price and then sell them along side name brand goods.
>
> Come to think of it, Home Depot, Sears, Target, Staples and Gap do the
> same unfair practice of marking up the price on goods they buy.

Ah, but that is what wholesale outfits are supposed to be
for...these Arab and Asian small food market operators
(who at times illegally sell nonfood items on food ebt debit cards
(formerly known as food stamps)) ought to be shopping at
wholesale outfits which supply to retailers like them. Otherwise, it
is cheating. They must think that customers in thei
meighborhoods where they operate are stupid, impoverished nicely
dressed, Fortybowl (aka 40 oz. malt liquor) African
and other Americans. There needs to be a law to forbid such
practices. (Charmuta!)

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