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TOPIC: Laundry hints and tips
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 1:44 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Nov 11, 11:09 am, bumm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Great Laundry Hints and Tips:http://www.lanuova.co.nz/index.php?page=Hints-and-Tips

Somewhat out of necessity, I discovered that I was wasting time and
money using a gas dryer. Now I simply wash and hang. I have provided
enough room to hang everything in one room where I turn a rotating fan
on to speed the process. I wash in the morning and let nature and the
fan do their job. Later, most items can simply be moved on the hangers
to complete the process. I'm saving money, effort, and time folding
stuff.

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TOPIC: Can I drop AT&T Long Distance, Keep Local?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 1:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> joshhemm...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> I've been paying around $5.00 a month in fees and taxes just for the
>> priviledge of having AT&T Long Distance service on my land line. I
>> never use their LD service, preferring to use prepaid calling cards
>> instead. I'd like to drop the long distance part of my AT&T phone
>> service to save those wasted bucks, but keep the land line for local
>> calls and continue using calling cards for LD. But I'm not sure it's
>> possible:
>>
>> If there is no long distance service for my land line, can I still
>> call toll-free 1-(8xx) numbers from it? I have to first call one of
>> those 800 numbers to place a calling card call.
>>
>> And I'm assuming if I only have local service on my land line, I can
>> still RECEIVE long distance calls....is this correct?
>
> Sure you can. I have done that for as long as possible. When I need to
> make a LD call out I use one of those 10-10 dial-arounds. The rates
> are pretty good. Incoming calls are not affected by not taking the
> AT&T LD. I also use the old pulse dial system, known as rotary. My
> phone has buttons and dials the pulse. If the destination has a menu
> that requires a touch tone phone, I switch the phone to tone instead
> of pulse and the menu options work fine. I switch back after the call.

> The phone companies like to charge more for touch tone service
> when it actually saves them money over accepting a pulse.

No it doesnt.

> They are caught in a marketing conundrum

No they arent.

> and can't/won't change it. I suppose they could continue to charge
> extra for the touch tone and a premium over that for rotary service.
> Please don't give them any ideas. They are overpaid already.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 4:10 pm
From: The Real Bev

Al Bundy wrote:

>
> joshhemm...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> I've been paying around $5.00 a month in fees and taxes just for the
>> priviledge of having AT&T Long Distance service on my land line. I
>> never use their LD service, preferring to use prepaid calling cards
>> instead. I'd like to drop the long distance part of my AT&T phone
>> service to save those wasted bucks, but keep the land line for local
>> calls and continue using calling cards for LD. But I'm not sure it's
>> possible:
>>
>> If there is no long distance service for my land line, can I still
>> call toll-free 1-(8xx) numbers from it? I have to first call one of
>> those 800 numbers to place a calling card call.
>>
>> And I'm assuming if I only have local service on my land line, I can
>> still RECEIVE long distance calls....is this correct?

Yup, and you can make 800- calls too.

> Sure you can. I have done that for as long as possible. When I need to
> make a LD call out I use one of those 10-10 dial-arounds. The rates
> are pretty good.

Not as good as they used to be, though. The one I used to use tacked on
a 45-cent/call charge, so I stopped using them. The 99-Cents-Only store
sells 99-minute cards for 99 cents, and they're good for 99 days after
the first use or 6 months after the purchase date.

> Incoming calls are not affected by not taking the
> AT&T LD. I also use the old pulse dial system, known as rotary. My
> phone has buttons and dials the pulse. If the destination has a menu
> that requires a touch tone phone, I switch the phone to tone instead
> of pulse and the menu options work fine. I switch back after the
> call.
> The phone companies like to charge more for touch tone service when it
> actually saves them money over accepting a pulse. They are caught in a
> marketing conundrum and can't/won't change it.

Old information, at least as far as PacBell/AT&T/whoever they are today.
If you're still paying the extra charge they probably won't tell you
that you don't need to pay it any more, you'll have to ask.

> I suppose they could
> continue to charge extra for the touch tone and a premium over that
> for rotary service. Please don't give them any ideas. They are
> overpaid already.

Indeed.

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Bev
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 9:45 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On Nov 11, 2:34 pm, joshhemm...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I've been paying around $5.00 a month in fees and taxes just for the
> priviledge of having AT&T Long Distance service on my land line. I
> never use their LD service, preferring to use prepaid calling cards
> instead. I'd like to drop the long distance part of my AT&T phone
> service to save those wasted bucks, but keep the land line for local
> calls and continue using calling cards for LD. But I'm not sure it's
> possible:

I have an AT&T long distance that doesn't have the $5.00 fee, but if I
have to make a long distance call, it will be more expensive.

I use my cell phone for long distance.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: Low water toilets false frugality
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 3:59 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC), in misc.consumers.frugal-living Dennis
<dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:29:21 -0500, E Z Peaces <cash@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>Vortens-Lamosa is a state-of-the-art Mexican manufacturer. Earlier this
>>year, apparently the only Vortens-Lamosa toilet sold by Lowes was the
>>Pegasus Tulip EL. It has no flapper valve. Tests showed that it would
>>get rid of 400 grams in one flush, so it should be adequate for
>>households without elephants.
>
>In Mexico the plumbing is so bad that it is customary to put the used
>toilet paper in the waste bin in public restrooms rather than flushing
>it. My (gringo) friend who worked as a janitor in southern California
>was not pleased to learn about this custom first-hand. ;-)
>
>Dennis (evil)

i wondered what that was about when i went to a mexican celebration in Orlando.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 4:14 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dennis wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:29:21 -0500, E Z Peaces <cash@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Vortens-Lamosa is a state-of-the-art Mexican manufacturer. Earlier this
>>year, apparently the only Vortens-Lamosa toilet sold by Lowes was the
>>Pegasus Tulip EL. It has no flapper valve. Tests showed that it would
>>get rid of 400 grams in one flush, so it should be adequate for
>>households without elephants.
>
> In Mexico the plumbing is so bad that it is customary to put the used
> toilet paper in the waste bin in public restrooms rather than flushing
> it. My (gringo) friend who worked as a janitor in southern California
> was not pleased to learn about this custom first-hand. ;-)

Perhaps that explains the Tijuana men's room just over the border. I am
informed that even early in the morning holding one's breath while doing
one's business is essential.

I did not check the ladies'.

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Cheers,
Bev
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TOPIC: Evading parking tickets
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 4:31 pm
From: The Real Bev

curly'q wrote:

> Bruce C. Miller wrote:
>> On Nov 11, 2:29 pm, Wilma6...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Nov 11, 10:35 am, "Bruce C. Miller" <bm3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a difference between frugal and cheap. Get your cheap ass in
>>> gear, pay the ticket, register your car and become a contributing part
>>> of society
>>
>> I have zero shame in being cheap or a non-contributing member of
>> society.
>>
>> I'll pay it, but I'll make a note to destroy some government property
>> equal to around $80 in value sometime in the future to make up for it.
>> It's only fair, after all.
>
> There is no government property worth $80.00
>
> The lowest priced item is a single round wooden toothpick and they start
> at 97.50

And if you use it for something besides cleaning your teeth, it's a
federal crime.

Long ago when I worked at JPL I put one of those GI 3-shelf grey metal
bookcases on top of a GI grey metal table because I didn't have any
floor space; the inspectors wrote me up for misuse of government
property -- the bookcase is supposed to stand on the FLOOR, not a table.

I promised I'd take it down, but I never!

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Cheers,
Bev
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 5:21 pm
From: George Grapman

Bruce C. Miller wrote:
> I've gotten two parking tickets yesterday, both for expired license
> plate tags. Normally, I'd give in and pay it, but since the expired
> plates are from Pennsylvania and I moved to Virginia a year ago, I'm
> thinking that if they tried to send a bill to my old address, it would
> be returned to sender. I never got valid Virginia license plates, so
> tracking me to my current address might not be easy.
>
> Anyone tried to evade parking tickets or have a good reason to think I
> might be able to get away without paying these? Together they are $80,
> so it'd be nice to keep my hard-earned money, not to mention I'd hate
> to see money going to a local government that hassles people with
> stupid stuff like this.

In San Francisco any car with 5 or more unpaid parking tickets can be
towed/booted. I have never heard of a state pursuing parking tickets
issued to cars from another state that do not remain in the state where
tickets were issued.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 5:26 pm
From: George Grapman

Wilma6116@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 11, 10:35 am, "Bruce C. Miller" <bm3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've gotten two parking tickets yesterday, both for expired license
>> plate tags. Normally, I'd give in and pay it, but since the expired
>> plates are from Pennsylvania and I moved to Virginia a year ago, I'm
>> thinking that if they tried to send a bill to my old address, it would
>> be returned to sender. I never got valid Virginia license plates, so
>> tracking me to my current address might not be easy.
>>
>> Anyone tried to evade parking tickets or have a good reason to think I
>> might be able to get away without paying these? Together they are $80,
>> so it'd be nice to keep my hard-earned money, not to mention I'd hate
>> to see money going to a local government that hassles people with
>> stupid stuff like this.
>
> I at one time had more than 100 parking tickets all on the streets of
> Los Angeles with a car that had expired Pennsylvania tags. I think
> they may have got me for felony parking.
>
> First thing is hide the tickets, you don't want some unrelated
> incident to lead to the discovery that you are a scoflaw.
>
> Next was I had to be careful getting in my car in the morning. I would
> look carefully to see if maybe their was a police officer nearby
> waiting to arrest me. Sometimes paranoia is a good thing.
>
> Then, one must drive carefully. If the police are suspicious of you
> they will run your plates and find you have no respect for laws, not a
> good first impression with the po-po.
>
> Lastly, you can never sell your car or register it. States do talk to
> each other and before you can register or reregister the car they are
> going to make you pay. Ride you car until it is junk.
>
> I remember the day I said goodby to my car with more than 100 parking
> tickets. The period to pay the infractions had passed and each ticket
> ballooned in price, what was once a $25 ticket had now become
> something like $100. I was tired of running and looking over my
> shoulder. I removed the tickets, anything that could be traced back to
> me and or my name, and for good measure I wiped down the interior to
> remove any fingerprints. With a tear in my eye I bid fond farewell to
> the car that served me so well over the years and left it on the curb.
>
> I had left the car on the street in front of my apartment complex. It
> continued to gather parking tickets. It grew dirty and the tires went
> flat. Some one had broke a window and stole the radio that never
> really worked right. I remember thinking, what an eyesore, I wish the
> city wouldn't allow junk on the streets.
>
> Then one day the inevitable happend; the car was removed and a load
> was lifted from my heart. I promised my new car I would never allow it
> to get a ticket and if it did, I would stand up and pay it right away.
>
> Of course all this was before computers and The Denver Boot. Today
> they know if you have a certain number of unpaid parking tickets and
> then they boot it.
>
> There is a difference between frugal and cheap. Get your cheap ass in
> gear, pay the ticket, register your car and become a contributing part
> of society

Years ago I had a friend who lived near downtown. I told him that when
I registered my car I had to pay $120 in unpaid fines. He said that he
had 180. I noted that $180 was not bad for living in his area but meant
180 tickets. The fines were more than the car was worth. Eventually it
was towed and a got another car.

I bought a car from a friend once. She told me there were unpaid
tickets and promised to cover them it it was a problem. When I filed the
ownership papers I signed a statement asserting I did not own the car
when the tickers were issued. They told me they would get her when she
got another car. They never followed up.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 5:41 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <d59e9a59-0067-4bb4-8b38-
7a4903acd41e@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, Wilma6116@gmail.com
says...

> I at one time had more than 100 parking tickets all on the streets of
> Los Angeles with a car that had expired Pennsylvania tags. I think
> they may have got me for felony parking.

(snip)

> Lastly, you can never sell your car or register it. States do talk to
> each other and before you can register or reregister the car they are
> going to make you pay. Ride you car until it is junk.

In some states, the registration hold apparently extends to other
vehicles. I know someone who received a letter stating
basically, "You have been designated a Habitual Offender. You
can't own ANY more cars in California until you pay up." For
tickets that were years old, on vehicles that had already gone to
junkyards.

I think that this had been the regulation for a long time, but it
was only about ten years ago that they finally got their computer
system set up to cross-reference.

Previously, you could even pull stuff like selling the car to a
friend, and then buying it back (requesting new plates) to
disconnect the old parking tickets. You would still have to pay
the tax, etc on the sale, but that might be less than the
tickets.

Also, you used to be able to save up a few tickets, then go to
court, and get a discount on the total payment (due immediately.)
But not anymore, since they "de-criminalised" parking tickets,
and made them civil quasi-judgements (without any right to
request court.)

But, these days, the DMVs and other gubmint groups are really
hard-line. In some places, they can apparently check to see if a
parked car has insurance, and ticket or boot it, if it isn't.
And the terminal in a regular cop car can apparently check on
insurance status, too. So no more lying with a paper
proof-of-insurance document after you stop paying for the policy,
or with one that came out of your printer at home.

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 7:28 pm
From: phil scott

On Nov 11, 5:21 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Bruce C. Miller wrote:
> > I've gotten two parking tickets yesterday, both for expired license
> > plate tags. Normally, I'd give in and pay it, but since the expired
> > plates are from Pennsylvania and I moved to Virginia a year ago, I'm
> > thinking that if they tried to send a bill to my old address, it would
> > be returned to sender. I never got valid Virginia license plates, so
> > tracking me to my current address might not be easy.
>
> > Anyone tried to evade parking tickets or have a good reason to think I
> > might be able to get away without paying these? Together they are $80,
> > so it'd be nice to keep my hard-earned money, not to mention I'd hate
> > to see money going to a local government that hassles people with
> > stupid stuff like this.
>
> In San Francisco any car with 5 or more unpaid parking tickets can be
> towed/booted. I have never heard of a state pursuing parking tickets
> issued to cars from another state that do not remain in the state where
> tickets were issued.

I live in the San Francisco bay area... if you dont pay your parking
tickets they get added to your registration fees. ...I tried going to
court...no court...so i wrote a letter to the address given for
protests and asserted that the meter maid must have been on crack...
didnt work.

I got 6 tickets, 450 dollars worth in one week... the meter maids
circle the block like race cars, if your meter goes over by a minute
they slap ticket on it.... its 75 dollars for parking yer crotch
rocket on the sidewalk... accordingly I quit doing business in the
city.

Phil scott

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 10:34 pm
From: "Bay Area Holdout"

"Bruce C. Miller" <bm3719@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2574f78a-6a76-4d69-8037-c62837e7014e@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> I've gotten two parking tickets yesterday, both for expired license
> plate tags. Normally, I'd give in and pay it, but since the expired
> plates are from Pennsylvania and I moved to Virginia a year ago, I'm
> thinking that if they tried to send a bill to my old address, it would
> be returned to sender. I never got valid Virginia license plates, so
> tracking me to my current address might not be easy.
>
> Anyone tried to evade parking tickets or have a good reason to think I
> might be able to get away without paying these? Together they are $80,
> so it'd be nice to keep my hard-earned money, not to mention I'd hate
> to see money going to a local government that hassles people with
> stupid stuff like this.

Are you sure they are Parking Tickets? Parking Tickets are for illegal
parking. Might make sense to get on the Net and punch in the Virginia
Vehicle Code number(s) they say you violated. I'm sure they'll come up, they
do here in CA.

After awhile they'll make it into the systems and you could get a bench
warrant issued. Next time you ever get pulled over, out come the bracelets
and off you go. Tell it to the judge....
Happened to a guy I knew for pledging the pay a bus fare and he never did,
arrested when he got pulled over two years later!

Pay the fine, and get the right plates if you live in VA now, it's got to be
cheaper than the fines for your overdue tags back in PA.

BAHO

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 4:35 pm
From: The Real Bev

Cheapo Groovo wrote:

>> If you intend to use a voip service, then I suggest you check your DSL
>> speed as voip will work better on 512kbps connection but can get away
>> with only 384kbps connection but don't expect a good call quality all
>> the time.
>>
> Just use the MagiJack
>
> http://cheapogroovo.vox.com/library/post/phone-service-for-1995-a-
> month.html

Look for reviews first.

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Bev
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TOPIC: Campbell Soup porition size
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 6:26 pm
From: "ant30dio@yahoo.com"

is it my eyes or did Campbell Soup start making there portions smaller
on the canned soup.
I dont have an older can around to check, but it sure looks like it.
Guess they think no one will notice.
This can is 10 3/4 OZ.
Thanks, Tony

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TOPIC: What would You do with 3 trillion dollars?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 7:39 pm
From: websurf1@cox.net

On Nov 9, 8:21 pm, MrWonderful <amysempe...@aol.com> wrote:

> I don't expect much from your answers since I don't think much of your
> statement:
Then I won't provide an answer, since I don't think much of yours,
either.
And since this kind of diatribe is repeated often enough, especially
by those who
can't spell Bush, I'll back out.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 7:53 pm
From: MrWonderful

On Nov 11, 9:39�pm, websu...@cox.net wrote:
> On Nov 9, 8:21�pm, MrWonderful <amysempe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't expect much from your answers since I don't think much of your
> > statement:
>
> Then I won't provide an answer, since I don't think much of yours,
> either.
> And since this kind of diatribe is repeated often enough, especially
> by those who
> can't spell Bush, I'll back out.

I can spell shit, but I don't want to.
You're pathetic.
: ) Lala

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