Frugal Living: Nov 4, 2010

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TOPIC: Non-color laser printer for under $100
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 3 2010 9:14 pm
From: "Jon von Leipzig@mayday.com"

On Nov 2, 3:05 am, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is that unreasonable to ask for?

Brother HL-2140 (about $80., at Amazon)
(can use cheap generic toner)

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 1:01 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5cefe8e9-2471-45a0-88d0-6d9913490935@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 2, 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> The end of ARBR began with you and Ed Gin. The only newbies that left ARBR
> because of me were the old folks from Florida who could not take being
> disagreed with. They wanted ARBR to be a friendly chat room instead of a
> contentious newsgroup.
[...]
> By the way, me jealous of the village idiot? You've got to be kidding!

>>> Yep, and mainly because he [TM] has done you one better and you can do
nothing about it other than rave and rant and step on his posts all to
no avail.

What TM does and what I do are worlds apart. TM posts shit and Ed Dolan the
Great kicks ass!

> > You know how to step on posts, so why not do it with TM? Just do copy
> > and
> > paste type of messages like I do.

>>> Well, I will say it again. Not all your posts in reply to TM are copy
and paste furthermore, you once said ... "You can always count on me
for a customized response because I respect my fellow man no matter
how much I may disagree with him on specific issues."

The above does not apply to TM because he is nothing but a personal spammer.
He is a scum bucket and all he will ever get from me is a kick in his dumb
ass, at least until he stops his spamming.

>>> Well, so much for being able to take you at your word. I know that
you will tender some lame-ass excuse in rebuttal, but the fact of the
matter remains that you contradict yourself so often that you have
succeeded in undermining your credibility and that is why you will
never be taken seriously.

You are not smart enough to know anything about contradictions. If you were,
you would not be so stupid as to stalk.

> > You never have to actually read anything
> > he posts since it is just shit (monkey poo) anyway.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 10:16 am
From: JimmyMac

On Nov 4, 3:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5cefe8e9-2471-45a0-88d0-6d9913490935@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > The end of ARBR began with you and Ed Gin. The only newbies that left ARBR
> > because of me were the old folks from Florida who could not take being
> > disagreed with. They wanted ARBR to be a friendly chat room instead of a
> > contentious newsgroup.
> [...]
> > By the way, me jealous of the village idiot? You've got to be kidding!
> >>> Yep, and mainly because he [TM] has done you one better and you can do
>
> nothing about it other than rave and rant and step on his posts all to
> no avail.
>
> What TM does and what I do are worlds apart. TM posts shit and Ed Dolan the
> Great kicks ass!

Yep ... TM is better at doing what you do. The shit you post is far
worse than anything TM posts, but keep "kicking his ass". That suere
has been effective.

> > > You know how to step on posts, so why not do it with TM? Just do copy
> > > and
> > > paste type of messages like I do.
> >>> Well, I will say it again. Not all your posts in reply to TM are copy
>
> and paste furthermore, you once said ... "You can always count on me
> for a customized response because I respect my fellow man no matter
> how much I may disagree with him on specific issues."
>
> The above does not apply to TM because he is nothing but a personal spammer.

Told you you'd have some lame-ass excuse.

> He is a scum bucket and all he will ever get from me is a kick in his dumb
> ass, at least until he stops his spamming.

That'll never happen if for no other reason than TM wouldn't give you
the satisfaction.

> >>> Well, so much for being able to take you at your word. I know that
>
> you will tender some lame-ass excuse in rebuttal, but the fact of the
> matter remains that you contradict yourself so often that you have
> succeeded in undermining your credibility and that is why you will
> never be taken seriously.
>
> You are not smart enough to know anything about contradictions.

Opinion stated as fact.

> If you were,
> you would not be so stupid as to stalk.

Like that somehow follows ... NOT! So why do keep responding to TM?
Is that not stalking? What's your excuse?

> > > You never have to actually read anything
> > > he posts since it is just shit (monkey poo) anyway.
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:03 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2f567e0a-74f1-4162-8bf8-e770d0635069@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 3:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> What TM does and what I do are worlds apart. TM posts shit and Ed Dolan
> the
> Great kicks ass!

>> Yep ... TM is better at doing what you do. The shit you post is far
worse than anything TM posts, but keep "kicking his ass". That suere
has been effective.

TM is a spammer, I am an ass kicker. What is there about that you do not
understand?
[...]

> He is a scum bucket and all he will ever get from me is a kick in his dumb
> ass, at least until he stops his spamming.

>> That'll never happen if for no other reason than TM wouldn't give you
the satisfaction.

TM has to work at his posts, something I never do with my reply to him. He
who does the least work wins. That was something you never learned with Ed
Gin, which is why I regard you as an idiot.

I do not mind TM and will leave him alone when he learns to stop
proliferating original posts which are not original. He regurgitates the
same old shit over and over and thereby destroys this small newsgroup (RBS).
[...]

>> Like that somehow follows ... NOT!

You have never been able to follow my thought. There is something wrong with
the way your brain works ... probably too much emotional entanglement. I
only play at subjectivity, but you are not capable of anything else. It is
why you stalk.

>> So why do keep responding to TM?
Is that not stalking? What's your excuse?

You also have never been able to read. I have told you numerous times that a
prolific original poster will destroy a small newsgroup. Even in my hey day,
I never posted many original messages like TM does. In fact, my original
messages are few and far between and I can say the same for Tom Sherman and
yourself too. The three of us are mainly responders which never does any
harm. Sicne we tend stay on one thread, we are easy to avoid.

TM is truly a hundred times worse than a troll or even a stalker like you.
He is a spammer, the one thing that surely destroys small newsgroups. No
newbie will ever come to a newsgroup which is full of nothing but shit and
at first glance that is all any newbie will ever see when coming to RBS. A
newsgroup that cannot attract newbies is already dying.

I am never going to explain this again, so do a copy and paste and read the
above paragraphs every night before going to bed. Maybe that way, it will
finally sink in!

> > > You never have to actually read anything
> > > he [TM] posts since it is just shit (monkey poo) anyway.
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 1:05 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5ad988b8-4d8b-4b7e-99cd-a3052ee9971b@r14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> It's funny, you know, how we have tamed nature, and even trained
> animals, and we are still unable to make many humans think.
>
> The 80% of Americans who still claim to believe in God give us food
> for thought. How can we ever prove to them we have a better way if
> they don't think and keep switching from Republican to Democrat and
> vice versa?
>
> Enter the revolution with the animals to prove it right. First of all,
> most of the new medications are tested on animals before approved for
> human consumption, which must mean something. Secondly, animals are --
> unlike many humans-- CURIOUS and willing to learn. Thirdly, they have
> accepted me in my role of leader... Not that they have a choice, but
> hey if they don't, I let them loose. I tell them, "Now you are FREE,
> comprende?"
>
> Naturally not all animals are ready for freedom and there are many FAT
> CATS out there willing to make a picnic with them. What do we do,
> restrain the animals or the fat cats? All those questions must be
> answered before we proceed.
>
> Hey, don't laugh yet, Mickey Mouse became an empire, at least in the
> commercial sense. There are no commercial interests in a revolution,
> though, or it would be fake. True, I sell t-shirts but I --being an
> idealist-- don't worry much about promotion and people don't know.
> Well, now you know. Hey, don't buy them. They still have a message as
> powerful as a weapon... Weapons of Mass Distraction. They are funny
> and spicy, you know.
>
> But if they ever become a commercial success, I'll give 90% to the
> starving kids in Africa, because, that's right, I can live with
> peanuts.

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:11 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 4, 3:47 am, livvy <mmrward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 10:35 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
> of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, "Randolf Richardson (Lumber Cartel, local 42)"
>
> > <kingpin+n...@lumbercartel.ca> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 06:09:35 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> > > Free Spirits of the Jungle <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > God made the mice to be gray and predatory and we humans, through
> > > > smart breeding (as opposed to intelligent design), have created lovely
> > > > colorful creatures. The same thing can be said about the common
> > > > computer mouse where it's now cordless. Human ingenuity!
>
> > > > One question though: Would you let a mouse run over your keyboard?
>
> > > No. The rule at my house is that they have to jump over it.
>
> > It's funny, you know, how we have tamed nature, and even trained
> > animals, and we are still unable to make many humans think.
>
> > The 80% of Americans who still claim to believe in God give us food
> > for thought. How can we ever prove to them we have a better way if
> > they don't think and keep switching from Republican to Democrat and
> > vice versa?
>
> > Enter therevolutionwith the animals to prove it right.Firstof all,
> > most of the new medications are tested on animals before approved for
> > human consumption, which must mean something. Secondly, animals are --
> > unlike many humans-- CURIOUS and willing to learn. Thirdly, they have
> > accepted me in my role of leader... Not that they have a choice, but
> > hey if they don't, I let them loose. I tell them, "Now you are FREE,
> > comprende?"
>
> > Naturally not all animals are ready for freedom and there are many FAT
> > CATS out there willing to make a picnic with them. What do we do,
> > restrain the animals or the fat cats? All those questions must be
> > answered before we proceed.
>
> > Hey, don't laugh yet, Mickey Mouse became an empire, at least in the
> > commercial sense. There are no commercial interests in arevolution,
> > though, or it would be fake. True, I sell t-shirts but I --being an
> > idealist-- don't worry much about promotion and people don't know.
> > Well, now you know. Hey, don't buy them. They still have a message as
> > powerful as a weapon... Weapons of Mass Distraction. They are funny
> > and spicy, you know.
>
> > But if they ever become a commercial success, I'll give 90% to the
> > starving kids in Africa, because, that's right, I can live with
> > peanuts.
>
> > NOTE: There's been no animal cruelty nor big animals in this study.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> nice try at a goof. You obviously have no educational background, no
> human resources. This is all you got....and hasn't a thing to do
> with anyone else on the planet. Couple of points for
> presentation....as though anything has anything to do with you.
> Nothing does.....but well done!! Sadly....you're way too all over
> the place. You can be a theist, atheist, and know and have
> everything. Your take on anything.....not so much.

I already said it. I got no human resources because 80% of Americans
got their mind busy reciting the Bible or minding their own brand of
democracy...

Animals though give you a view at ANIMAL INSTINCTS, before the
brainwashing.

>
> "God made the mice to be gray and predatory and we humans, through
>
> > > > smart breeding (as opposed to intelligent design), have created lovely
> > > > colorful creatures. The same thing can be said about the common
> > > > computer mouse where it's now cordless. Human ingenuity!"
>
> And off you go.....hasn't a thing to do with any human anywhere....so
> you. Can't you just do that, and shut up? Doubt it.....

Monkey gotta make noise, sorry. That's his best weapon.

You Christians must pay attention to the animal world.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 9:35 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 4, 3:47 am, livvy <mmrward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 10:35 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
> of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, "Randolf Richardson (Lumber Cartel, local 42)"
>
> > <kingpin+n...@lumbercartel.ca> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 06:09:35 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> > > Free Spirits of the Jungle <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > God made the mice to be gray and predatory and we humans, through
> > > > smart breeding (as opposed to intelligent design), have created lovely
> > > > colorful creatures. The same thing can be said about the common
> > > > computer mouse where it's now cordless. Human ingenuity!
>
> > > > One question though: Would you let a mouse run over your keyboard?
>
> > > No. The rule at my house is that they have to jump over it.
>
> > It's funny, you know, how we have tamed nature, and even trained
> > animals, and we are still unable to make many humans think.
>
> > The 80% of Americans who still claim to believe in God give us food
> > for thought. How can we ever prove to them we have a better way if
> > they don't think and keep switching from Republican to Democrat and
> > vice versa?
>
> > Enter the revolution with the animals to prove it right. First of all,
> > most of the new medications are tested on animals before approved for
> > human consumption, which must mean something. Secondly, animals are --
> > unlike many humans-- CURIOUS and willing to learn. Thirdly, they have
> > accepted me in my role of leader... Not that they have a choice, but
> > hey if they don't, I let them loose. I tell them, "Now you are FREE,
> > comprende?"
>
> > Naturally not all animals are ready for freedom and there are many FAT
> > CATS out there willing to make a picnic with them. What do we do,
> > restrain the animals or the fat cats? All those questions must be
> > answered before we proceed.
>
> > Hey, don't laugh yet, Mickey Mouse became an empire, at least in the
> > commercial sense. There are no commercial interests in a revolution,
> > though, or it would be fake. True, I sell t-shirts but I --being an
> > idealist-- don't worry much about promotion and people don't know.
> > Well, now you know. Hey, don't buy them. They still have a message as
> > powerful as a weapon... Weapons of Mass Distraction. They are funny
> > and spicy, you know.
>
> > But if they ever become a commercial success, I'll give 90% to the
> > starving kids in Africa, because, that's right, I can live with
> > peanuts.
>
> > NOTE: There's been no animal cruelty nor big animals in this study.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> nice try at a goof. You obviously have no educational background, no
> human resources. This is all you got....and hasn't a thing to do
> with anyone else on the planet. Couple of points for
> presentation....as though anything has anything to do with you.
> Nothing does.....but well done!! Sadly....you're way too all over
> the place. You can be a theist, atheist, and know and have
> everything. Your take on anything.....not so much.
>
> "God made the mice to be gray and predatory and we humans, through
>
> > > > smart breeding (as opposed to intelligent design), have created lovely
> > > > colorful creatures. The same thing can be said about the common
> > > > computer mouse where it's now cordless. Human ingenuity!"
>
> And off you go.....hasn't a thing to do with any human anywhere....so
> you. Can't you just do that, and shut up? Doubt it.....

I think Christians got much in common with the hummingbird...

(I quote)

"Next ingredient ....RED COLORING....No way!

Lets look at it from a hummingbird's perspective. They like red and
are attracted to the color due to genetics and environmental
stimuli ... flowers. If your hummingbird feeder is
red... why do you need more?

Naturally occurring nectar is clear and odorless ( Hummingbirds are
not attracted by scent). So why buy these colored or scented mixes?

The red coloring (Red #40) has been banned in countries due to its
mutagenic properties ( can cause cancer). Why would you want to
introduce chemicals into the hummingbird's diet that are foreign to
their digestive system?"

http://ezinearticles.com/?Homemade-Hummingbird-Nectar&id=41179

***

Let me explain myself: Christians love plastic food (red #40), which
they feed to innocent children, plus the obvious fact that they vote
Republican (red) and follow a communist Utopia in Heaven.

But the Wisdom of the Jungle is infinite and I prepared the same
solution with brown sugar! It even came out reddish. That's what I
call human ingenuity, not stupidity.

Well, next time I'll go for more obvious connections with the Animal
Kingdom.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:02 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

(Let's save this post for sexy stuff)

On Nov 3, 9:42 pm, haiku jones <575jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 11:56 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:16:49 -0500, duus <duu...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>Misogyny aside, who put the snake there?
> > >> Kicked out of heaven.
> > >Into paradise? Poor sod. What was _his_ crime.
> > The fallen angel that told God he was his equal.
>
> Ah. So God, with His perfect foresight, banished
> Satan from Heaven and then carefully sent him to
> the place where He could do the most damage.
>
> What WAS He thinking?
>
> `course, that's all non-Scriptural in the first place.
> The snake was not Satan -- the serpent is a
> common feature of early Middle Eastern legends,
> where it is both wise and a bit of a trickster.
> Nowhere in Genesis does it say that the
> serpent was Satan. No more than it says
> that Eve ate an apple, though any number
> of Christians think that too.
>
> If the serpent wasn't really a snake, but
> actually Satan in a snake suit, then it's
> a bit odd that nowhere subsequently in the Bible is
> Satan shown crawling on his belly and eating dust.
>

The snake crawled up to Eve and said, "Eat this banana!"

"In the Middle Ages, the banana was thought to be the forbidden fruit
of paradise by both Moslems and Christians."

"the woman saw that it was good to eat, the fruit of this tree! how
good it was to behold ! it seized one with the desire to act with
sagacity!... she thus took a fruit and ate of it ; she also gave some
to her husband close by and he ate... So their eyes were opened and
they became aware of their nudity : they bent leaves of the fig tree
to be make loincloths..."

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/martine.morenon/modesty5.htm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:07 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
[...]
> The snake crawled up to Eve and said, "Eat this banana!"
>
> "In the Middle Ages, the banana was thought to be the forbidden fruit
> of paradise by both Moslems and Christians."
>
> "the woman saw that it was good to eat, the fruit of this tree! how
> good it was to behold ! it seized one with the desire to act with
> sagacity!... she thus took a fruit and ate of it ; she also gave some
> to her husband close by and he ate... So their eyes were opened and
> they became aware of their nudity : they bent leaves of the fig tree
> to be make loincloths..."

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: network newborn needs help envisioning basic setup for cable internet
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 8:48 am
From: Ohioguy

I've got some computer hardware experience - an old CompTIA A+
hardware certification, some experience building PC's. (I think about 8
total so far, and another for my sister in the near future) However,
I've always had dialup, and my network experience is limited to a cat5
cable I did between 2 PC's at home, so I could watch videos across my
own little network. (oh, and I guess I did set up a problematic
Bluetooth 'network' using 2 Bluetooth dongles, once)

Anyway, I signed up for Earthlink cable internet recently. It has
DSL speeds (~700k/sec.) for $30 a month. I can upgrade to 7 times that
fast for another $12 a month later if I want. This will be running over
Time Warner's cable internet system, and I believe that Time Warner
cable people will run the wires, etc.

I'm just not sure if what they would (by default) set me up with
would meet all of my needs.

My primary goal is to get rid of my old phone line after this is set
up. My secondary goal is to have wireless internet available to any
laptop, tablet PC, or desktop PC that I set up in the house. I have
identified a good, central location of the house and am currently trying
to add a wall outlet there, as well as a shelf for the network
components. Eventually, all of that would be hidden behind a painting,
or whatever.

Here's what I WANT to do. Question is, is this possible?

I'd like it set up without any PC needing to be up on the shelf. In
other words, I think I need a cable modem, a wireless voip router, and
something like a Cisco PAP2T to do what I want.

Can I simply hook the cable modem up to the cable internet, hook the
802.11n voip Router up to the cable modem, and then the Cisco PAP2T up
to the router? I believe that is the basic setup I need up on that
shelf. If that would work, then I can log on to the wireless router and
configure it with a laptop wirelessly.

Am I overlooking something? I'm hoping I can do everything
wirelessly using this setup.

I tried using this:

http://www.belkin.com/wizards.html

to see what I'd need, but it assumes that I'll have a PC, and it also
ended up recommending just a USB dongle. I want this to work even if I
only have an Android tablet in the house, and no laptops or PC's
present. (though I'll probably be using it wirelessly with at least 1
laptop occasionally, and 1 desktop) The telephone angle will probably
be done by having a Panasonic wireless DECT base unit hooked up to the
PAP2T, with 2 or 3 phones around the house.

Are there potential headaches I need to address with this? Are there
questions I need to ask about any of the equipment that Time Warner
would want me to use? Do I need to reject anything they would want me
to be using, and only use my own hardware?

One thing that bugs me when I shop for routers is that they say
thinks like that they require a system with Windows XP or better. What
is up with that? Are they implying that if I'm running only an Android
tablet or a Linux palmtop, I can't use said router for my wireless only
setup? I'm confused.

Thanks for any
suggestions!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 8:49 am
From: Ohioguy

Oops, sorry - posted to wrong newsgroup by mistake!

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 12:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Ohioguy wrote:

> However, I've always had dialup, and my network experience is limited
> to a cat5 cable I did between 2 PC's at home, so I could watch videos
> across my own little network. (oh, and I guess I did set up a
> problematic Bluetooth 'network' using 2 Bluetooth dongles, once)

> Anyway, I signed up for Earthlink cable internet recently. It has
> DSL speeds (~700k/sec.) for $30 a month. I can upgrade to 7 times
> that fast for another $12 a month later if I want. This will be
> running over Time Warner's cable internet system, and I believe that
> Time Warner cable people will run the wires, etc.

> I'm just not sure if what they would (by default) set me up with would meet all of my needs.

> My primary goal is to get rid of my old phone line after this is set up.

That should be feasible, but is more likely to produce some glitches.

> My secondary goal is to have wireless internet available to any
> laptop, tablet PC, or desktop PC that I set up in the house. I have
> identified a good, central location of the house and am currently
> trying to add a wall outlet there, as well as a shelf for the network
> components. Eventually, all of that would be hidden behind a
> painting, or whatever.

> Here's what I WANT to do. Question is, is this possible?

Yes.

> I'd like it set up without any PC needing to be up on the shelf. In other words, I think I need a cable modem, a
> wireless voip router, and something like a Cisco PAP2T to do what I want.

Yes, that approach does work fine, but limits the speed between the devices a bit.

> Can I simply hook the cable modem up to the cable internet, hook the 802.11n voip Router up to the cable modem, and
> then the Cisco PAP2T up to the router?

Its certainly possible to do that. Whether you personally can do it is another matter.

> I believe that is the basic setup I need up on that shelf.

Yes. And if it isnt, its certainly possible to have that there.

> If that would work, then I can log on to the wireless router and configure it with a laptop wirelessly.

Most do the most basic initial config with a cat5 between the laptop and the router.

No big deal tho, you only do that once.

> Am I overlooking something?

Just with the initial setup.

> I'm hoping I can do everything wirelessly using this setup.

Yes you can.

> I tried using this:

> http://www.belkin.com/wizards.html

> to see what I'd need, but it assumes that I'll have a PC, and it also ended up recommending just a USB dongle.

Its actually better to have the wireless built in with laptops,
that way you get the antenna in the lid and a better range etc.

> I want this to work even if I only have an Android tablet in the house, and no laptops or PC's present.

That will work fine after the initial config.

> (though I'll probably be using it wirelessly with at least 1 laptop occasionally, and 1 desktop)

Yeah, it is better to have alternative devices if only
for when the Android tablet is misbehaving etc.

With a config like that, its not ideal that everything must be working at all times.

> The telephone angle will probably be done by having a Panasonic wireless DECT base unit hooked up to the PAP2T, with 2
> or 3 phones around the house.

Yeah, that works fine, its the config I use myself.

> Are there potential headaches I need to address with this?

Not really.

> Are there questions I need to ask about any of the equipment that Time Warner would want me to use?

Dunno about that aspect of it.

> Do I need to reject anything they would want me to be using, and only use my own hardware?

Likely not, just ignore it.

> One thing that bugs me when I shop for routers is that they say
> thinks like that they require a system with Windows XP or better. What is up with that?

Its just a simplification for the stupids.

> Are they implying that if I'm running only an Android tablet or a Linux palmtop, I can't use said router for my
> wireless only setup?

Nope, particularly if you know what you are doing. They just mean
that if you want to ring them up for support, they may not be able
to help you if you only have one of those to do the config with.

> I'm confused.

You'll be even more confused when you come to set it up.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:32 pm
From: Derald

Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

>Do I need to reject anything they would want me
>to be using, and only use my own hardware?
Nah, if the cable company provides a router as part of the basic
deal, take it. Otherwise, buy your own. The cable guy will get the
modem online and may hook up the router if it is there. Out of the
box, the router will detect networkable devices. Likely, you'll have
to enable wireless via a CAT5 cable. That's to give you a chance to
read up on "what noobies need to know" about wireless security and
paranoia equilibrium.
>
> One thing that bugs me when I shop for routers is that they say
>thinks like that they require a system with Windows XP or better.
I don't know what the O/S has to do with anything. It could
simply be the answer to the most common help line query. You'll set up
the router with a web browser.
I suggest that you don't let the cable guy install any of his
company's applications packages, particularly, if you're happy with
the way your primary computer works on the Internet. Just take the CD
and decide later whether and how much of that stuff you want. It tends
toward crapware.
--
Derald

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:03 pm
From: "John Weiss"

Ohioguy wrote:

> I've got some computer hardware experience - an old CompTIA A+
> hardware certification, some experience building PC's. (I think about
> 8 total so far, and another for my sister in the near future)
> However, I've always had dialup, and my network experience is limited
> to a cat5 cable I did between 2 PC's at home, so I could watch videos
> across my own little network. (oh, and I guess I did set up a
> problematic Bluetooth 'network' using 2 Bluetooth dongles, once)
>
> Anyway, I signed up for Earthlink cable internet recently. It has
> DSL speeds (~700k/sec.) for $30 a month. I can upgrade to 7 times
> that fast for another $12 a month later if I want. This will be
> running over Time Warner's cable internet system, and I believe that
> Time Warner cable people will run the wires, etc.
>
> I'm just not sure if what they would (by default) set me up with
> would meet all of my needs.
>
> My primary goal is to get rid of my old phone line after this is set
> up. My secondary goal is to have wireless internet available to any
> laptop, tablet PC, or desktop PC that I set up in the house. I have
> identified a good, central location of the house and am currently
> trying to add a wall outlet there, as well as a shelf for the network
> components. Eventually, all of that would be hidden behind a
> painting, or whatever.
>
> Here's what I WANT to do. Question is, is this possible?
>
> I'd like it set up without any PC needing to be up on the shelf. In
> other words, I think I need a cable modem, a wireless voip router,
> and something like a Cisco PAP2T to do what I want.
>
> Can I simply hook the cable modem up to the cable internet, hook the
> 802.11n voip Router up to the cable modem, and then the Cisco PAP2T
> up to the router? I believe that is the basic setup I need up on
> that shelf. If that would work, then I can log on to the wireless
> router and configure it with a laptop wirelessly.
>
> Am I overlooking something? I'm hoping I can do everything
> wirelessly using this setup.
>
> I tried using this:
>
> http://www.belkin.com/wizards.html
>
> to see what I'd need, but it assumes that I'll have a PC, and it also
> ended up recommending just a USB dongle. I want this to work even if
> I only have an Android tablet in the house, and no laptops or PC's
> present. (though I'll probably be using it wirelessly with at least 1
> laptop occasionally, and 1 desktop) The telephone angle will
> probably be done by having a Panasonic wireless DECT base unit hooked
> up to the PAP2T, with 2 or 3 phones around the house.
>
> Are there potential headaches I need to address with this? Are there
> questions I need to ask about any of the equipment that Time Warner
> would want me to use? Do I need to reject anything they would want
> me to be using, and only use my own hardware?
>
> One thing that bugs me when I shop for routers is that they say
> thinks like that they require a system with Windows XP or better.
> What is up with that? Are they implying that if I'm running only an
> Android tablet or a Linux palmtop, I can't use said router for my
> wireless only setup? I'm confused.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!

First, I'd stay away from Belkin. Netgear or D-Link would be much
better for 802.1N routers. If you are going strictly wireless, it will
be worth your while to get a dual-band N router. Maximum PC likes the
Netgear WNDR3700
(http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/netgear_rangemax_wndr3700).

Are you getting digital phone service from the cable company, or
relying strictly on Vonage (or similar) plus Skype (or similar)? If
you get the digital cable phone service, you shouldn't need any
adapters because the cable company will give you a modem that has the
phone interface, which ties directly into your existing phone lines via
any RJ11 outlet. Your router will plug right into that modem via
Ethernet cable.

NO router should require a particular operating system. The web-based
configuration/setup should work from any mainstream browser running on
any OS.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 5:09 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <JBAAo.3557$pp4.1762@newsfe03.iad>, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
> Here's what I WANT to do. Question is, is this possible?

> I'd like it set up without any PC needing to be up on the shelf. In
>other words, I think I need a cable modem, a wireless voip router, and
>something like a Cisco PAP2T to do what I want.

> Can I simply hook the cable modem up to the cable internet, hook the
>802.11n voip Router up to the cable modem, and then the Cisco PAP2T up
>to the router? I believe that is the basic setup I need up on that
>shelf. If that would work, then I can log on to the wireless router and
>configure it with a laptop wirelessly.

I think that's basically it.

> Am I overlooking something? I'm hoping I can do everything
>wirelessly using this setup.
[ ... ]
First thing you do with that wireless router is log in to the config
page and secure it--change the password, block external access, turn
on the strongest encryption it has, enable and configure the firewall,
anything else it'll let you do. Do this _before_ plugging it into the
cable modem. Your password should be long and complex, and written on
a note stuck to the bottom of the router.

I also second the recommendation to not use Belkin. I use some Belkin
"pro" KVM switches at work that I curse daily; every time I switch
channels, the mouse goes berserk.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Assange: Australian for terrorist.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 7:29 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 11/04/10 17:09, Gary Heston wrote:

> In article<JBAAo.3557$pp4.1762@newsfe03.iad>, Ohioguy<none@none.net> wrote:
> [ ... ]
>> Here's what I WANT to do. Question is, is this possible?
>
>> I'd like it set up without any PC needing to be up on the shelf. In
>>other words, I think I need a cable modem, a wireless voip router, and
>>something like a Cisco PAP2T to do what I want.
>
>> Can I simply hook the cable modem up to the cable internet, hook the
>>802.11n voip Router up to the cable modem, and then the Cisco PAP2T up
>>to the router? I believe that is the basic setup I need up on that
>>shelf. If that would work, then I can log on to the wireless router and
>>configure it with a laptop wirelessly.
>
> I think that's basically it.
>
>> Am I overlooking something? I'm hoping I can do everything
>>wirelessly using this setup.
> [ ... ]
> First thing you do with that wireless router is log in to the config
> page and secure it--change the password, block external access, turn
> on the strongest encryption it has, enable and configure the firewall,
> anything else it'll let you do. Do this _before_ plugging it into the
> cable modem. Your password should be long and complex, and written on
> a note stuck to the bottom of the router.
>
> I also second the recommendation to not use Belkin. I use some Belkin
> "pro" KVM switches at work that I curse daily; every time I switch
> channels, the mouse goes berserk.

Hrm. I finally just used separate meese for the linux and windows
machines -- my KVM switch didn't seem happy either. Minor point,
though -- the KB and VM are the important parts.

--
Cheers, Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(On going to war over religion:) "You're basically killing each other
to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -- Rich Jeni

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 12:35 pm
From: tripletask@gmail..com

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:21:19 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
<tonnewalt487@gmail.com> wrote:

>What a farce! Retail prices now moving upward. Unemployment remains
>unchanged. Losing global
>market share. Out priced, out worked. By spring 2011 the uproar will
>be intense. Enjoy!!!

You will now be paying more for day to day items and all imports as
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 2:25 pm
From: Artys

On Nov 3, 9:32 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> VFW wrote:
> > It's something that they can't take from you.
>
> Yes.
>
> > and;
> > You might find that something special maybe only you can do.
>
> Unlikely. In spades with the net so all pervasive now.
>
> > Now that's happiness.
>
> Not necessarily. Depends on what it is that only you can do.
>
> If its something unspeakable like no one else is silly enough to want to do...
>
> > Certainly money is not the answer to true joy.
>
> Indeed.
>
> > so, good luck!
> > and Enjoy!

Yes, I am now having the last laugh in my art career. I am in the
"100-Alumni"
show at my alma mater, USM in Hattiesburg, MS. If you keep working
at
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 3:40 pm
From: chief-thracian@hotmail.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:34:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>I like google, mainly because it handles spam much better than
>most of the rest like yahoo and has no limit on how much can
>be stored, in fact they encourage you to keep stuff forever.

That's because Google wants as much data on its users as
possible...which they can sell over and over again, f*ck your privacy.
Also, they've become an arm of the government, thus keep *all* your
mail in their servers is quite a boon for big brother.

I wouldn't recommend anyone use Gmail, unless I worked for the CIA.

>I had one hell of a job finding an email on hotmail for a Kurd
> <snip> He had his heart set on hotmail for some reason I
> have now forgotten.

Most hackable?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:45 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chief Thracian wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> I like google, mainly because it handles spam much better than
>> most of the rest like yahoo and has no limit on how much can
>> be stored, in fact they encourage you to keep stuff forever.

> That's because Google wants as much data on its users as possible...

Irrelevant, the fact remains that you can keep stuff for as long as you like.

> which they can sell over and over again, f*ck your privacy.

They dont get to sell anything I dont want sold.

> Also, they've become an arm of the government,

Pigs arse they have.

> thus keep *all* your mail in their servers is quite a boon for big brother.

Pity I dont.

> I wouldn't recommend anyone use Gmail, unless I worked for the CIA.

More fool you.

>> I had one hell of a job finding an email on hotmail for a Kurd
>> <snip> He had his heart set on hotmail for some reason I
>> have now forgotten.

> Most hackable?

Nar, its just what he had used in the past.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 4 2010 4:41 pm
From: mark@mail.goguys.com (Mark Shapiro)

> 1) They frequently sell products way past the expiration date and I have
> personally found several spoiled products on purchasing, often a week or
> more past the expiration date. 2) Their prices are frequently HIGHER not
> LOWER, as they claim loudly, than their major competitors 3) They sell
> off brand, frequently substandard food items, often something wrong with
> them-poor taste, spoiled, separated ingredients, etc. 4) They frequently
> do not have prices posted and often ring things up wrong at the
> register. They place the wrong signs next to the wrong items, further
> confusing the shopper. Unlike their competitors they will not refund the
> full price of an item that misscans or is mispriced. 5)Their produce
> comes from Mexico and is frequently low quality and on the verge of
> being rotten. 6) Their staff is frequently rude, especially the
> cashiers.

My experience in San Jose, CA, is quite the opposite,
great selection, good quality food, at great prices in
general, I find both shoppers and employees while
perhaps not rich, to be as nice as any other store or
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