Frugal Living: Jul 8, 2008

Tuesday, July 8, 2008

24 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
* Toshiba laptop bought at Office Depot - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61ce820af43ce054?hl=en
* Surviving high heating oil prices - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
* DTV Converter box major snafu in the US - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5479512ec399c625?hl=en
* Dirty, taco-bender picked crops BANNED! Salmonella! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abba3f29fd8896ff?hl=en
* garden fence at right-angle to house - 10 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b96aa4904acd922?hl=en
* Unbelievable & Shocking Photos....must see - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/760ccda0f46e8920?hl=en

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TOPIC: Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 12:36 pm
From: "Irish Mike"

"the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JSpck.29897$s77.17237@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:0Yjck.4439$np7.296@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "the Bede" <rspwsownthebede@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:o7jck.22304$3F5.19072@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9_ick.9923$89.5945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:WI9ck.196063$SV4.76662@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting
>>>>>> is a two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>>>> politics of the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>>>>>> abilities to the table and children benefit from them both. Rather
>>>>>> than saying that angry couples should or should not stay together
>>>>>> "for the children", I say the dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have
>>>>>> had the kid(s) to begin with.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you're preaching to the choir on that one- a significant
>>>>> percentage of the people shacking up/marrying and having kids are not
>>>>> competent to perform any of those duties. Except for the small matter
>>>>> of there not being anyone competent to sit in judgment about people's
>>>>> skill sets, I'd say that having kids should require a training course
>>>>> and getting a license.
>>>>>
>>>>> But reproduction, like love and lust, is by definition an irrational
>>>>> process. The genes want what the genes want. And once the kids are
>>>>> there, you don't get a do-over. You have to make do as best you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still say a single parent household is better than a broken
>>>>> 2-parent household. BTDT, from the kid side. Once they only saw each
>>>>> other a few hours a month, they got along a lot better. And both of
>>>>> them were able to devote quality time to us young ones. The older
>>>>> kids, separated from us younger ones by several years, said it was
>>>>> traumatic as hell to be going through adolescence in a battle zone.
>>>>
>>>> If you're concerned about the population, why not start by kicking out
>>>> 20,000,000 illegal immigrants?
>>>>
>>>> Irish Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yeah, send Paddy back to Cork!
>>
>> Which part of "illegal" didn't you understand? BTW, I'm from Kerry, you
>> stupid ass wipe.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>>
> "kerry" is a girl's name.

Only in your trailer park.

Irish Mike
>
>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 1:23 pm
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

Especially when paired with John.

LG
--
The most charismatic and entertaining of the right-wing kooks that lurk
around here. - ViNNY

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 2:36 pm
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article
<a776a30a-0f82-4b5c-98ce-acebe2c3d7ef@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack.Al@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 6, 11:33�am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <23fc62fb-da71-4031-a79a-86127bd93...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > �Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 6, 5:42�am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> >
> > > > �aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> > > > > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > > > > > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > > > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > > > > >> �Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > > > > >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > > > > >>>> �"Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ r7in...@cablespeedwa.com...
> > > > > >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegrou
> > > > > >>>>>>ps.c
> > > > > >>>>>>om.
> > > > > >>>>>> ..
> > > > > >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want
> > > > > >>>>>>> anyone
> > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>> fuck.
> > > > > >>>>>> Nonsense. �They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > > > > >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
> > > > > >>>>> having
> > > > > >>>>> sex,
> > > > > >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> > > > > >>>> � �Marriage is a sham.
> > > > > >>> Recently divorced?
> > > > > >> � �Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the
> > > > > >> whole
> > > > > >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >
> > > > > > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >
> > > > > > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > > > > > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
> > > > > > children
> > > > > > out of wedlock.
> >
> > > > > > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >
> > > > > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
> > > > > than
> > > > > a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years
> > > > > of
> > > > > icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under
> > > > > their
> > > > > beds, or worse, are simply invisible. �Not to mention the usual
> > > > > villains
> > > > > of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a
> > > > > reasonably
> > > > > happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of
> > > > > what
> > > > > an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that
> > > > > isn't
> > > > > happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent,
> > > > > or
> > > > > elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but
> > > > > once
> > > > > it fails, be realistic.
> >
> > > > � �Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.
> >
> > > So you are OK with the trend - especially with blacks, which is now
> > > over 50% - to have more single parent households?
> >
> > � �I never said anything about single-parent households. Just marriages.
>
> If everyone was as cynical about marriage as you would there be more
> or less single parent households?

The same.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 2:37 pm
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
"Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> wrote in message
> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> >> wrote in message
> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com.
> >> ..
> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegrou
> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
> >> >> >>>>>>> com
> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want
> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
> >> >> >>>>>> having
> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the
> >> >> >>> whole
> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
> >> >> >> children
> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
> >> >>
> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting
> >> >> is a
> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics
> >> >> of
> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to
> >> >> the
> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that
> >> >> angry
> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I say
> >> >> the
> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be the two
> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib talk
> >> > there, buddy.
> >>
> >> Gender is more than role playing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>
> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>

Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological application
of the term gender noted.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

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TOPIC: Toshiba laptop bought at Office Depot
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61ce820af43ce054?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 2:07 pm
From: Campy Happer

Hi folks,

Recently I bought a Toshiba that was on sale
at Office Depot.

Toshiba has been a good brand for me in the past.
They have great keyboards, touchpads, and screens
and they are fast enough for me.

When I got the laptop home I found a few strange signs that it
might have been owned before:

1. The sticker that identifies the unit that is normally
on the wrist rest was missing. These stickers are normally
on every laptop, even display units at stores. But not this one.

2. The included items (power adaptor, cable etc)
seemed to be just thrown into the box, and the plastic bags
they came in appeared crumpled as if pre-used.
They definitely did not have that crisp factory-new look.

3. The computer has a Hitachi hard drive in it, which is
unusual for a Toshiba -- as far as I know, I could be wrong.
The drive is a little noisy, but I think this is normal for a Hitachi.

Nevertheless, the laptop was in a sealed bag & the box itself was
sealed as well. And the computer appears to function
perfectly as of Day 2 of ownership.

My question is, has anyone heard of Toshiba re-selling
briefly-owned laptops after re-sealing them?
If so, is there an industry term for such a practice?
This laptop seems to have the usual 1 year warranty.

Thanks.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 4:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Campy Happer <campyhapper@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Recently I bought a Toshiba that was on sale
> at Office Depot.
>
> Toshiba has been a good brand for me in the past.
> They have great keyboards, touchpads, and screens
> and they are fast enough for me.
>
> When I got the laptop home I found a few strange signs that it
> might have been owned before:
>
> 1. The sticker that identifies the unit that is normally
> on the wrist rest was missing. These stickers are normally
> on every laptop, even display units at stores. But not this one.
>
> 2. The included items (power adaptor, cable etc)
> seemed to be just thrown into the box, and the plastic bags
> they came in appeared crumpled as if pre-used.
> They definitely did not have that crisp factory-new look.
>
> 3. The computer has a Hitachi hard drive in it, which is
> unusual for a Toshiba -- as far as I know, I could be wrong.
> The drive is a little noisy, but I think this is normal for a Hitachi.
>
> Nevertheless, the laptop was in a sealed bag & the box itself was
> sealed as well. And the computer appears to function
> perfectly as of Day 2 of ownership.

> My question is, has anyone heard of Toshiba re-selling
> briefly-owned laptops after re-sealing them?

Nope, it would have been Office Depot.

> If so, is there an industry term for such a practice?

Yep, ripping off the customer.

> This laptop seems to have the usual 1 year warranty.

I'd demand action from Office Depot since they deliberately sealed it again.

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TOPIC: Surviving high heating oil prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 4:40 pm
From: krw

In article <g4titl$hra@acadia.ece.villanova.edu>,
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu says...
> krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >Any energy you put into latent heat will come back later.
>
> Latent heat, as in evaporation?

With out without a phase change (though there wouldn't be one in a
hydronic system). As long as it's a closed system the heat comes
back.

> >As long as you don't get condensation mold shouldn't be an issue.
>
> To avoid mold, keep the RH below 60%.

You have to avoid anything in the room below the dew point too.
Windows and frames often "sweat".

--
Keith

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 4:49 pm
From: krw

In article <g4t9ev$s6t$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
> In article <f2bf0bee-a033-4e12-813d-bfac9bb8c0f7@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Ron Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 2, 8:15=A0am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
> >
> >Convert to natural gas. It's cheaper, cleaner, and the utility can't
> >cut you off.
> >
>
> Some people can't get gas except propane. Geothermal heat pump is the way
> to go. I wish I had one. If I had more info I might have tried to install one myself.

Rather pricey installation costs though. Unless you have something
bigger than a shovel, it's a tough DIY. ;-)

> I had oil for one season. That cost me about $1000 for the winter. I save a little
> since I had a gas line installed and use natural gas. New line, furnace, air, hot water
> heater for about $5500. My electric is cheap. Just wish I had the geopump.

In Vermont we used to go through about 225 gallons every three
weeks. We switched to natural gas about ten years ago even though
oil was a bit cheaper at the time. It cost me $25 plus $12/month for
a new burner. The gas company even ripped up the yard and replanted
the next spring.

Even though I have electric heat now (NE Ohio), electric heat would
have killed me then. My heating plan is to move further South. ;-)

> Man that oil furnace used to pump out 160 degree heat from the vents, or what ever
> the overtemp setting was. Two of the cold air returns were blocked by rugs when I moved
> in. I also insreased fan speed. That oil furnace was 55 years old and still working. Could
> burn type I or II fuel.

Can't they all? Type-1 is kerosene, which is simply more highly
refined #2 fuel oil.

--
Keith

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 5:55 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu says...

>> >Any energy you put into latent heat will come back later.
>>
>> Latent heat, as in evaporation?
>
>With out without a phase change (though there wouldn't be one in a
>hydronic system)...

Latent heat requires a phase change.

>> >As long as you don't get condensation mold shouldn't be an issue.
>>
>> To avoid mold, keep the RH below 60%.
>
>You have to avoid anything in the room below the dew point too.
>Windows and frames often "sweat".

At 100 vs 60% RH.

Nick

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:48 am
From: Stan Brown

7 Jul 2008 20:55:41 -0400 from <nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu>:
> krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu says...
> >> To avoid mold, keep the RH below 60%.
> >
> >You have to avoid anything in the room below the dew point too.
> >Windows and frames often "sweat".
>
> At 100 vs 60% RH.

The RH in my home was 35-45% all last winter, but window frames
sweated almost every morning. I don't understand it, either: they're
double-paned. But the inner panes were cold to the touch.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

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TOPIC: DTV Converter box major snafu in the US
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5479512ec399c625?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 5:06 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <487183b8$0$19813$8ebe3a62@news.megabitz.net>,
GordonD <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>In article <paCdnXr6jdq43-zVnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>,
>gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
>>In article <4870d1da$0$80800$8ebe3a62@news.megabitz.net>,
>>GordonD <me@privacy.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>>The Zenith box is model DTT900 purchased at Circuit City.

>>Regrettably, neither it or the DTT901 (adds analog pass-through) are
>>available at any Circuit City stores within 80 miles of me.
[ ... ]

>Yes the DTT900 does not have analog passthrough but from what I've read on the
>Comparison of CECB units page on Wikipedia, the DTT901 does passthrough. Could
>you be mistaken?

No, I'm quite certain that neither of them are available at any Circuit
City within 80 miles. However, the web site for H.H.Gregg claims their
local store has the DTT901 in stock, so I'll check with them.

Thanks,

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
"a member or members of Osama bin Ladens' Al Qaeda network, posing as
computer programmers, were able to gain employment at Microsoft..."
claim made by Mohammed Afroze Abdul Razzak to police in India, 12/01.

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TOPIC: Dirty, taco-bender picked crops BANNED! Salmonella!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abba3f29fd8896ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 5:20 pm
From: billimmelman@yahoo.com

On Jul 4, 9:22 pm, "Do the World a favour, kill a leftist"
<rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> See, you FILTHY Mexicans? You have to wash your hands (or at least
> use toilet paper) after using that hole in the ground to relieve
> yourselves. Did you Americans know that Mexicans often use human
> feces to fertilize crops??!
>
> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Starting Monday, health inspectors will halt the
> shipment of ingredients common to Mexican cuisine from Mexico to the
> United States, sources familiar with the salmonella poisoning
> investigation said.
> Since April, more than 900 people have contracted the same strain of
> salmonella, but its source is unclear.
>
> Since April, more than 900 people have contracted the same strain of
> salmonella, but its source is unclear.
>
> The inquiry, which initially focused solely on tomatoes, has expanded
> to include cilantro, jalapeño peppers, Serrano peppers, scallions and
> bulb onions, said Tommy Thompson, former secretary of the Department
> of Health and Human Services, who said he has been informed of the
> plan.

Deport all illegal aliens. Bring back the family farm.

http://www,numbersusa.com/ NumbersUSA

bill

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TOPIC: garden fence at right-angle to house
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b96aa4904acd922?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 11:41 pm
From: "john westmore"

We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that we
share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.

What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our houses?
The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 12:11 am
From: Cicero

On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:

> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that we
> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>
> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our houses?
> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.

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Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it flat
with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight line
at 90 degrees to your houses.

Cic.
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== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 12:52 am
From: "Harry Stottle"

"Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.07.08.07.11.57.817497@hellfire.co.uk...
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:
>
>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
>> we
>> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>
>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>> houses?
>> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>
> ==================================
> Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it flat
> with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
> 'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight
> line
> at 90 degrees to your houses.
>
>
Or for a more accurate measurement, use Pythagoras's theorem. Lay a 3
unit length against the wall, a 4 unit length as the boundary guide, and
a 5 unit length to make up the other side of the right angled triangle.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 12:52 am
From: "Dave"

Apply the old 3,4,5 rule. 3 foot along wall, 4 foot along fence and 5 foot
for the hypotenuse to make the right angle.

"Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.07.08.07.11.57.817497@hellfire.co.uk...
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:
>
>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that we
>> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>
>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>> houses?
>> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>
> ==================================
> Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it flat
> with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
> 'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight line
> at 90 degrees to your houses.
>
> Cic.
> --
> ===================================
> Using Ubuntu Linux
> Windows shown the door
> ===================================
>

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:01 am
From: ktos

"john westmore" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:g4v26i$uvp$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
> we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>
> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
> houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>
>
>

What!

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:10 am
From: Palindrome

john westmore wrote:
> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that we
> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>
> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our houses?
> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>
>
As others have said, the 3:4:5 triangle with a bit of string will do that.

However, it doesn't mean that it is necessarily the right place for the
fence.. With any luck, if you toddle up the garden you may find the
(remains) of the boundary marker. Which may be just a small wooden post
in the ground.

The original builders may not have been that precise with the right
angle as you seem determined to be. Your neighbour may not be too happy
if your efforts leaves the boundary post well and truly your side of the
fence.

--
Sue

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:40 am
From: mm

On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:52:36 GMT, "Dave"
<derbyno.spamdave@bigpond.com> wrote:

>Apply the old 3,4,5 rule. 3 foot along wall, 4 foot along fence and 5 foot
>for the hypotenuse to make the right angle.

The OP is in the UK, and the EU has forced them to use metres for
measurements. Of course this changes everything. If he wants to use
3 metres and 4 metres, he's going to need a trig calculator to find
the length of the hypotenuse. Just wanted to warn you, OP.
>
>
>"Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:pan.2008.07.08.07.11.57.817497@hellfire.co.uk...
>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:

Just kidding.

>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that we
>>> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>
>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>>> houses?
>>> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>>
>> ==================================
>> Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it flat
>> with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
>> 'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight line
>> at 90 degrees to your houses.
>>
>> Cic.
>> --
>> ===================================
>> Using Ubuntu Linux
>> Windows shown the door
>> ===================================
>>
>

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:48 am
From: "Dave"

Yep. I'm in Oz. Down here we use the 4 side on the wall.

"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:7s96749f4ojmq8pauih7gv2kjhir1ma8l3@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:52:36 GMT, "Dave"
> <derbyno.spamdave@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>Apply the old 3,4,5 rule. 3 foot along wall, 4 foot along fence and 5
>>foot
>>for the hypotenuse to make the right angle.
>
> The OP is in the UK, and the EU has forced them to use metres for
> measurements. Of course this changes everything. If he wants to use
> 3 metres and 4 metres, he's going to need a trig calculator to find
> the length of the hypotenuse. Just wanted to warn you, OP.
>>
>>
>>"Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2008.07.08.07.11.57.817497@hellfire.co.uk...
>>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:
>
> Just kidding.
>
>>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that we
>>>> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>>
>>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>>>> houses?
>>>> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>>>
>>> ==================================
>>> Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it flat
>>> with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
>>> 'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight line
>>> at 90 degrees to your houses.
>>>
>>> Cic.
>>> --
>>> ===================================
>>> Using Ubuntu Linux
>>> Windows shown the door
>>> ===================================
>>>
>>
>

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 2:56 am
From: "Harry Stottle"

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 5:58 am
From: "HeyBub"

john westmore wrote:
> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
> we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>
> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
> houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.

As others have suggested, use the 3,4,5 rule (it's what the builders of the
pyramids in Egypt did).

If the houses are 20 meters apart, you can use 15, 20, 25 meter
measurements.

However there's one difficulty you may encounter. The wall may be square to
one house and crooked as a dog's hind leg at the other.

I recommend bushes.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:16 am
From: "poonam.arya99@gmail.com"

There many medium of logistics we know in word but not like this....

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i m sure......you'll enjoy a lot to see these logistics

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 5:18 am
From: clams_casino

poonam.arya99@gmail.com wrote:

>
>These photos are simply unbelievable
>
>

posted via gmail / google groups / India

Hmm - so is there a different virus in every image? Or is the same
virus buried in every one?

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