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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 12:52 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 1:25 pm, Fred Clydesdale <f...@belldinger.com> wrote:
> In article <fe2ee7f2-e37c-43a5-9511-9be8fc683...@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Furthermore, Dr. Walker wore a long wig on some trials to see if
> > perceived gender had any effect on overtaking distances. It certainly
> > did - drivers gave him an average 14cm more room.
>
> although we must recognize the possibility that this only proves
> that people will go out of their way to avoid a transvestite in an
> ill-fitting wig.

Is that because people avoid transvestites?

If it was sexy ladies I bet they would to get closer to pinch their
ass.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 12:57 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 1:29 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>
>
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 14, 9:54 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
>
> >> <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
> >> >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
> >> >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.
>
> >> Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"
>
> >> Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.
>
> >Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.
>
> >I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
> >Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems
> >to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's
> >getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and
> >you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their
> >power and wealth --if not to impose their might...
>
> >However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get,
> >the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they
> >disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either.
>
> >Someone may ponder about that too.
>
> And this has what to do with assholes on bikes thinking they can
> survive an encounter with a motor vehicle?

This is a METAPHOR. You know, like all this carnage on our roads is
related to another metaphor, the original sin... Yep, if Eve hadn't
eaten the forbidden fruit, we would all be friendly and be vegetarian.

Well, I still prefer my own metaphors...

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE
Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion always taking the LION'S SHARE, and
seeing that such injustice represented a danger to all, demanded
JUSTICE... The Lion, yawning and stretching, said, "You would have to
have paws and sharp teeth..." Then the Monkey, who was very clever,
devised a plan: He would go to the costume store, and look like a
lion...

When the HUNGRY LION saw him, noticing that the new lion wasn't a
match for him, and fearing COMPETITION, killed him on the spot --
before the indifferent look of the little animals of the jungle... And
that's how the Law of the Jungle was re-established one more time...
(NOTE: Other monkeys survived him...)

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 1:02 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 1:32 pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 15, 9:21 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 9:54 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
>
> > > <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
> > > >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
> > > >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.
>
> > > Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"
>
> > > Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.
>
> > Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.
>
> > I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
> > Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle.
>
> You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about
> bicycling. I'd
> be happy to look it up in my own copy if you could provide book,
> chapter
> and verse.
>
> Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's evident enough... HE RODE A DONKEY.

You get the point? He chose the most humble mode of transportation
around, saying like a bike today.

You must learn to read into all those metaphors, you know.

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 1:08 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 1:29 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> Gunner
>
> "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
> would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
> methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
> power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
> problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
> they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
> wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
> want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
> Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
> rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
> complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
> that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
> correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
> competing factions of Islamic
> fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
> forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
> and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Am I suppose to read that diatribe every time? Why don't you say
something shorter like, "I'm all for the Law of the Jungle"? Or
"Forget about civilized behavior and embrace the caveman within"?

That's what you propose, right?

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 1:29 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 2:57 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've ridden your "jungle" since I was in my 20s, many decades ago.
> Unlike you, I've never needed to whine about how terrible the world
> is. Unlike you, I've had no trouble dealing with traffic. Unlike
> you, I've taken the time to look for actual data on bicycling's level
> of danger. And in doing so, I found that despite the prevalence of
> "Danger! Danger!" worriers, cycling is an _extremely_ safe activity.
>
> I've commuted by bike since 1977. I've cycled in hundreds of cities,
> and in peak rush hour in many of them. I've ridden in at least eight
> countries. I've done many self-supported tours, up to 4000 miles.
> I've ridden for nearly 40 years. In all that time, my only on-road
> injury was one skinned knee. Off road, add one incident where I
> scraped my hands a bit.
>
> You're unreasonably paranoid and obnoxiously noisy about it. If
> you're afraid to ride busy roads, don't do it. Ride where you're
> comfortable, and quit your wimpy whining.
>
> - Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That you may be a veteran of war doesn't prove that wars are safe...

I even bet you that riding a bike on America's roads is more dangerous
than doing service in Iraq.

We have to do the numbers, but I think that that's more true than
Obama's statement that soldiers in Iraq are safer than kids in
Chicago. At least I see more terrorists on our roads. ;)

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 2:32 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Tue, 15
Apr 2008 10:29:16 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
><nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 14, 9:54�pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
>>>
>>> <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
>>> >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
>>> >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.
>>>
>>> Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"
>>>
>>> Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.
>>
>>Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.
>>
>>I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
>>Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems
>>to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's
>>getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and
>>you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their
>>power and wealth --if not to impose their might...
>>
>>However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get,
>>the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they
>>disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either.
>>
>>Someone may ponder about that too.
>
>And this has what to do with assholes on bikes thinking they can
>survive an encounter with a motor vehicle?

Bikers feel that they too can pick and chose which laws apply to
them. Including the laws of physics.
Unfortunately, there are certain objective realities; just because
you're rather have a diagnosis of athelete's foot, doesn't make the
compound fracture go away.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 1:53 pm
From: donquijote1954

On Apr 15, 4:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2:57 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've ridden your "jungle" since I was in my 20s, many decades ago.
> > Unlike you, I've never needed to whine about how terrible the world
> > is. Unlike you, I've had no trouble dealing with traffic. Unlike
> > you, I've taken the time to look for actual data on bicycling's level
> > of danger. And in doing so, I found that despite the prevalence of
> > "Danger! Danger!" worriers, cycling is an _extremely_ safe activity.
>
> > I've commuted by bike since 1977. I've cycled in hundreds of cities,
> > and in peak rush hour in many of them. I've ridden in at least eight
> > countries. I've done many self-supported tours, up to 4000 miles.
> > I've ridden for nearly 40 years. In all that time, my only on-road
> > injury was one skinned knee. Off road, add one incident where I
> > scraped my hands a bit.
>
> > You're unreasonably paranoid and obnoxiously noisy about it. If
> > you're afraid to ride busy roads, don't do it. Ride where you're
> > comfortable, and quit your wimpy whining.
>
> > - Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> That you may be a veteran of war doesn't prove that wars are safe...
>
> I even bet you that riding a bike on America's roads is more dangerous
> than doing service in Iraq.
>
> We have to do the numbers, but I think that that's more true than
> Obama's statement that soldiers in Iraq are safer than kids in
> Chicago. At least I see more terrorists on our roads. ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK, here I respond to my own challenge, since there's been no
challengers so far...

Some numbers on nationwide bicycle fatalities from 1975-2002:
"660 bicyclists were killed in crashes with motor vehicles in 2002."

So, since the deployment in Iraq accounts to 150,000 or so, we have to
prove that the same number of people riding bikes on heavy traffic
have a greater death toll. Of course, this doesn't apply to well
maintained bike paths where the beautiful people live nor to those
living in the actual Green Zone in Baghdad.

And also you have to take into account that bikers are not wearing
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== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 2:40 pm
From: Fred Clydesdale

In article <8qo904he61369i4bn4g7a23fpf2s58ofqf@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

> Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride
> bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and
> parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I
> drive.
>
> On the other hand..its bad kharma to leave a bike rider a red smear on
> the roadway because the spandex clad dipshit decided that he is above
> all traffic laws and the laws of physics dont apply to the big assed
> trucks he cuts in front of. Much like the rainbow stickered idjits in
> tiny cars who do the same.

perhaps you have been a Bad Man through several lives already, and
the 900 lbs of tools (i assume that includes at least one 250
lb tool) are the burden you must bear for your past transgressions.

all you need is a begging bowl, sandals and two full outfits by
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life.

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 3:11 pm
From: donquijote1954

How sad, you have a strong idea and then you die because you were
wrong all along. Case in point is how Crocodile Hunter was killed by a
manta ray while trying to prove that sea monsters were quite
harmless... No, they are not. I say, "NEVER TRUST THE BEAST!" A basic
concept in the jungle.

Here's another example of people who die because of their wrong
ideas...

Is Cycling Dangerous?
Cyclist Ken Kifer uses statistics from a variety of reliable sources
to show that bicycling is not as dangerous as people often think it
is. I think his number of cyclists is a bit optimisitic, and that
makes the fractional risk a bit too small in some cases, but overall
he makes a good argument that cycling is not that risky. Sadly, Ken
was killed by a drunken driver in September 2003 while he was
bicycling.

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 4:48 pm
From: donquijote1954

Well, America ain't alone in the law of the jungle. Even civilized
Canada suffers from it. But the solution is the same...

"if the cops do something about how much worse driving has gotten in
the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid consequences,
which they won't do just because it is right."

Cyclist Stabs Motorist
Posted November 2nd, 2007 by vic in road rage
The Toronto Star is reporting that a cyclist stabbed a motorist with a
screwdriver after a road rage incident. It happened this morning at
around 9:45am at the corner of College and McCaul.

A few more details on the City News website. They believe the cyclist
was a "courier".

It hurts me to read about incidents like this. I have no idea what
caused this altercation, or why the cyclist felt it was necessary to
stab the motorist. I was honked at and flipped off by a motorist on
Dundas St. this morning, then almost nailed by a left-turning car near
my work. But even when bad things happen to me on the road, I never
even come close to wanting to stab someone.

All this madness on the roads needs to end.

...

cars as weapons
On November 2nd, 2007 tanya says:
Definitely its not acceptable to stab a motorist over a road rage
altercation. Its not acceptable either to threaten them by waving a
knife in their face.

But yet when motorists get "road rage" they have a deadly weapon right
under their right foot. I've encountered motorists who will try to
intimidate me by gunning for me, then swerving at the last minute. Its
sad that this kind of knife waving is all too socially "acceptable".

...

Human nature is s%$#
On November 2nd, 2007 Aidan says:
Who cares what the guy's job, or lack of, was. He went postal. The
fact that every cyclist commenting here has likely fantasized about
doing something similar points to what we put up with. Human nature is
s%$#, but if the cops do something about how much worse driving has
gotten in the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid
consequences, which they won't do just because it is right.

http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1735

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 5:43 pm
From: Myal

donquijote1954 wrote:
> Well, America ain't alone in the law of the jungle. Even civilized
> Canada suffers from it. But the solution is the same...
>
> "if the cops do something about how much worse driving has gotten in
> the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid consequences,
> which they won't do just because it is right."
>
>
> Cyclist Stabs Motorist
> Posted November 2nd, 2007 by vic in road rage
> The Toronto Star is reporting that a cyclist stabbed a motorist with a
> screwdriver after a road rage incident. It happened this morning at
> around 9:45am at the corner of College and McCaul.
>
> A few more details on the City News website. They believe the cyclist
> was a "courier".
>
> It hurts me to read about incidents like this. I have no idea what
> caused this altercation, or why the cyclist felt it was necessary to
> stab the motorist. I was honked at and flipped off by a motorist on
> Dundas St. this morning, then almost nailed by a left-turning car near
> my work. But even when bad things happen to me on the road, I never
> even come close to wanting to stab someone.
>
> All this madness on the roads needs to end.
>
> ...
>
> cars as weapons
> On November 2nd, 2007 tanya says:
> Definitely its not acceptable to stab a motorist over a road rage
> altercation. Its not acceptable either to threaten them by waving a
> knife in their face.
>
> But yet when motorists get "road rage" they have a deadly weapon right
> under their right foot. I've encountered motorists who will try to
> intimidate me by gunning for me, then swerving at the last minute. Its
> sad that this kind of knife waving is all too socially "acceptable".
>
> ...
>
> Human nature is s%$#
> On November 2nd, 2007 Aidan says:
> Who cares what the guy's job, or lack of, was. He went postal. The
> fact that every cyclist commenting here has likely fantasized about
> doing something similar points to what we put up with. Human nature is
> s%$#, but if the cops do something about how much worse driving has
> gotten in the city, even stupid humans will play nice to avoid
> consequences, which they won't do just because it is right.
>
> http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1735
>

guns fix it , cyclists need guns , guns = get respect , guns make
cyclists equal to truckies

the answer is GUZ GUNZ GUNZ

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 6:59 pm
From: Tom Sherman

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> [...]
> You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about
> bicycling.[...]

Must not be a very interesting or important book if it does not discuss
cycling.

Cycling, beer, cows and Usenet are important; all the rest is rubbish.

--
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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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>On Apr 14, 2:04 am, aspasia wrote:
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>
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