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Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 9:24 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:38:52 GMT, "PeteSig" <petesig@bigpond.com>
wrote:
>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:p6f804hplgbt1ncfps5r9t691q7256j01c@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:40:23 GMT, "PeteSig" <petesig@bigpond.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message :
>>>
>>>> That way I dont have to worry
>>>> about some spandexed shitfor brains on a $5000 hitech geewhiz bicycle
>>>> running a red light and me adding him to the collection of dead birds,
>>>> road kill, bugs and so forth already stuck in the grill of my truck.
>>>>
>>>> Btw...because yall ride a bike, makes you no more and no less special
>>>> than any other form of transporation and hardly makes you immune to
>>>> the laws of physics. Not to mention the Vehicle Code.....
>>>
>>>Yes, the vehicle code.....
>>>
>>>Maybe the code is different in the USA, but we have that bit about
>>>"overtaking vehicles to keep clear"
>>
>> Can bicyclists run red lights as well in your neck of the woods, and
>> are immune to all rights of way and so forth?
>
>Not at all. However I was referring to the problems drivers seemed to have
>with the OP in overtaking him on a bridge with 2 lanes to choose from. Over
>here, overtaking vehicles are required to keep clear.
>
>Are they not in the USA?
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 9:32 am
From: ComandanteBanana
On Apr 15, 12:08 pm, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> >> Remind me again why BRITONS should care?
> > Man, we are like brothers! Our headaches are tied up to
> > OIL, but bikes could at least be aspirine!
>
> =v= It seems you are missing the point, which has something
> to do with off-topic cross-posting. A thread about cyclists
> in America is OFF-TOPIC for uk.rec.cycling. Britons who are
> interested in this sort of thing are fully capable of choosing
> to subscribe to rec.bicycles.soc. Those who are not interested
> shouldn't be having to wade through tons of off-topic chatter.
>
> =v= The whole point of having separate newsgroups is so that
> people can stick to what they're interested in. Kindly honor
> this. None of this stuff belongs in rec.bicycles.rides, for
> example, and rec.bicycles.misc doesn't mean "crosspost anything
> and everything to this list." The purpose of *.misc newsgroups
> is for things not covered by other newsgroups.
>
> =v= Massive cross-posting is annoying and people respond by
> tuning out. It's kind of exactly the opposite of getting the
> message out to more people.
> <_Jym_>
groups, you have 5 times more chance to reach to out people.
Particularly when THE TOPIC IS TRULY UNIVERSAL. On the other hand,
when I turn on the radio I hear news I don't care about, like when
Bush says we are making progress in Iraq or that we need more research
into alternative transportation, as if bikes didn't exist.
of this jungle sooner or later.
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 10:08 am
From: donquijote1954
> Comandante, you need to find a better route!
Suzy, regrettably I don't live anywhere close to those places where
bicycles are OK, so I must be happy to do turn to my stationary bike,
and get my workout indoors...
connected to what we drive? Should I also shot off the news from the
outside world?
soon... ;)
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 10:23 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:18:11 -0500, Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com>
wrote:
>277ae5ce690c@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com
>says...
>> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
>> on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
>> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
>> was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
>> have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
>> insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
>> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
>> its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
>> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
>> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
>> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>>
>> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
>> the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
>> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
>> recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
>> like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
>> give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>>
>> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
>> into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
>> gutters and sidewalks.
>>
>>
>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? ;)
>> http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>
>> BIKE FOR PEACE
>> http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>>
>Glad the debate is civil here. :-))
>
>You won't be picking on bike riders much longer. When gas hits $4.50 a
>gallon and the roads you drive are all foreign operated tollways!
>
>The skyway is $3 one way, and the IN toll road costs 13 cents a mile w/o
>the transponder.
>
>http://www.cheapogroovo.com
Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride
bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and
parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I
drive.
the roadway because the spandex clad dipshit decided that he is above
all traffic laws and the laws of physics dont apply to the big assed
trucks he cuts in front of. Much like the rainbow stickered idjits in
tiny cars who do the same.
way...but all too often they are dead...and right when they swing out
in front of an overtaking vehicle from behind a row of parked cars and
get launched into the ditch.
roadway, and some yutz on a bike deciding he is immune to becoming a
street pizza.
Gunner
"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 10:25 am
From: Fred Clydesdale
In article <fe2ee7f2-e37c-43a5-9511-9be8fc6836f9@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
> perceived gender had any effect on overtaking distances. It certainly
> did - drivers gave him an average 14cm more room.
that people will go out of their way to avoid a transvestite in an
ill-fitting wig.
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 10:29 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
>>
>> <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
>> >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
>> >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.
>>
>> Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"
>>
>> Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.
>
>Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.
>
>I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
>Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems
>to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's
>getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and
>you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their
>power and wealth --if not to impose their might...
>
>However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get,
>the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they
>disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either.
>
>Someone may ponder about that too.
survive an encounter with a motor vehicle?
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 10:31 am
From: Gunner Asch
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>A fascinating psychological study. Want to see a person's true
>character? Study them alone, in a car, in traffic. And prepare to be
>shocked.
>
>http://www.gizmag.com/go/7255/
Ayup..booger picking goes way way up.
"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
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competing factions of Islamic
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and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 10:32 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Apr 15, 9:21 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 14, 9:54 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
> > >more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
> > >strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.
>
> > Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"
>
> > Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.
>
> Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.
>
> I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
> Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle.
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