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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 14 2009 11:29 pm
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 6:45 am
From: VFW


In article
<7d9e0b4d-5dbe-4f54-b56d-b537997fc964@1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I thought Miss Manners' answer to this was clever.
>
> Lenona.
>
> http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/article.aspx?cp-documentid=22790208
>
> Dear Miss Manners,
> Some friends and I were discussing what we would do in the unlikely
> event that any of us won the lottery, and find we need to appeal to
> you on one major question that came up. What is the etiquette involved
> in suddenly becoming embarrassingly rich?
>
> Of course, we all agreed that none of us would flaunt it, but the fact
> remains that, even if one accepted the winnings anonymously, one would
> have a moral responsibility to use large portions of the winnings to
> help out friends, relatives and charities. It would be impossible, in
> that case, to hide the fact that one had "come into" a bit of money.
>
> How does one politely refuse to divulge the exact amount of winnings
> received? Or for that matter, the amounts given to various people and
> causes, or even the amount of winnings currently remaining? How does
> one politely refuse to become a fairy godmother to everybody and their
> sister? If one wishes to, say, fund the college education of a
> cousin's three children, is it necessary to gift an equal amount of
> money to the comfortably well-off cousin's childless sibling? Is it
> possible to give money to charities and not have them hound you for
> the rest of your life?
>
> These are burning questions to which we all hope to need the answers
> soon.

I've heard that you have about the same odds of winning the lottery
whether you buy a ticket or not.
so, I save the money. Hey, I'm a winner w/o MONEY.
IMHO
--
money; what a concept!


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 7:56 am
From: clams_casino


VFW wrote:

>I've heard that you have about the same odds of winning the lottery
>whether you buy a ticket or not.
>so, I save the money. Hey, I'm a winner w/o MONEY.
>IMHO
>
>

Actually, the odds are 50/50. Either you win or you lose.


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 8:53 am
From: "Bill"

"Lenona" wrote in message
> I thought Miss Manners' answer to this was clever.
>
> Lenona.
>
> http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/article.aspx?cp-documentid=22790208
>

I wouldn't tell a soul! And the only people I would help would be those who
have helped me in the past - not very many! And I would do this anonymously
via a lawyer, maybe set up a trust fund with a monthly income for them. Then
they couldn't squander it (the reason they would need help in the first
place - because they can't manage their money.)

And if I did any lifestyle changing, it would be by buying a second house
somewhere where no one knew me. But I would keep my existing house exactly
the same and no one would know a thing!

But frankly I've never cared much for the "country club" crowd, the poor
people with nothing are those I prefer to hang around with. Much more fun!


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 11:38 am
From: Al


On Dec 15, 11:53 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Lenona"  wrote in message
> > I thought Miss Manners' answer to this was clever.
>
> > Lenona.
>
> >http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/article.aspx?cp-documentid=227...
>
> I wouldn't tell a soul! And the only people I would help would be those who
> have helped me in the past - not very many! And I would do this anonymously
> via a lawyer, maybe set up a trust fund with a monthly income for them. Then
> they couldn't squander it (the reason they would need help in the first
> place - because they can't manage their money.)
>
> And if I did any lifestyle changing, it would be by buying a second house
> somewhere where no one knew me. But I would keep my existing house exactly
> the same and no one would know a thing!
>
> But frankly I've never cared much for the "country club" crowd, the poor
> people with nothing are those I prefer to hang around with. Much more fun!

You are beginning to sound like Tiger Woods, AKA Eldrich Tont Woods.


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 5:40 pm
From: Lenona


On Dec 15, 9:45 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>
> I've heard that you have about the same odds of winning the lottery
> whether you buy a ticket or not.


Humorist Fran Lebowitz said that first, I believe.

Lenona.


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 5:41 pm
From: Lenona


On Dec 15, 11:53 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I wouldn't tell a soul!

Just how often IS it possible to win and not have your name made
public?

Lenona.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 5:58 pm
From: Marsha


Lenona wrote:
> On Dec 15, 11:53 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't tell a soul!
>
> Just how often IS it possible to win and not have your name made
> public?
>
> Lenona.
>

Anyone can win and be anonymous. I forget what it's called, but you can
set something up through a third party.

Marsha


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 6:54 pm
From: "h"

"Lenona" <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01ebb726-8b92-4216-a196-c25e43f20ab1@q16g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 9:45 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>
> I've heard that you have about the same odds of winning the lottery
> whether you buy a ticket or not.


>>Humorist Fran Lebowitz said that first, I believe.

>>Lenona.

I've always heard that the lottery was a tax on people who suck at math.


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 7:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Lenona wrote
> Bill <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I wouldn't tell a soul!

> Just how often IS it possible to win and not have your name made public?

Completely routine with the well organised lotterys.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 10:53 am
From: "Palin'sAnusRimmer"


"The heartburn medication Nexium, for example, costs $36 in Spain and
$424 in the United States."

But you just know most Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce, and the
remnants of Bush's pro-industry, anti-consumer FDA will back
drugmakers on this one!

Now, who you seniors gonna get mad at?
-----------------

"Drugmakers fight plan to allow imports"

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Drugmakers intensified their lobbying push Monday against a popular
proposal to allow Americans to buy cheaper drugs from other countries,
one of several heated disputes that have bogged down negotiations over
a heath-care reform bill.

The talks prompted hospitals, insurers and other major industries
attempting to steer the legislation in their favor to push for changes
as lawmakers work through a handful of complex issues. Medical
providers, for example, are battling a proposed Democratic compromise
that would jettison a public insurance option in favor of a limited
expansion of Medicare, while the U.S. Chamber of Commerce flew dozens
of corporate executives to Washington last week to meet with
lawmakers.

The fight over the proposal further complicates Democrats' efforts to
build support for health-care legislation in the Senate. The dispute
also poses a particularly difficult political challenge for President
Obama, who co-sponsored a similar bill when he was in Congress and who
included funding for the idea in his first budget.

The amendment, sponsored by Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.), would allow
pharmacies and wholesalers to import U.S.-approved medication from
Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan, where drug costs are
far lower because of price controls. The measure has attracted
bipartisan support from lawmakers, including Sens. Olympia J. Snowe (R-
Maine) and John McCain (R-Ariz.).

But the pharmaceutical industry -- which has been a key supporter of
health-care reform after reaching an agreement with the White House
earlier this year -- has responded with a fierce lobbying campaign
aimed at killing the proposal, focusing on Democratic senators from
states with large drug and research sectors.

In addition, Margaret A. Hamburg, commissioner of the Food and Drug
Administration, raised safety concerns about the Dorgan amendment in a
letter to the Senate, warning that the agency is unable to ensure that
such drug imports would not be counterfeited or contaminated. The FDA
has cited such concerns for more than a decade, repeatedly rebuffing
attempts by Congress to allow prescription drug imports.

The dispute traps Obama between his campaign rhetoric and the
political realities of health-care reform, which depends in large part
on tacit support from drugmakers and other industry groups. Under the
earlier agreement with the White House, the pharmaceutical industry
agreed to contribute $80 billion toward reform over 10 years in
exchange for protection from further cuts.

"It's about being a candidate as opposed to being president," said Ken
Johnson, senior vice president of the Pharmaceutical Research &
Manufacturers of America (PhRMA). "When you become president, you
realize that the sound bites don't always work in reality. . . . I
think they've looked at the problems now and have concluded there's no
way to ensure the safety of medicines reimported into the United
States right now."

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of the idea to allow drug imports while bowing to the FDA's safety
concerns. "The president supports reimportation of safe and effective
drugs," White House spokeswoman Linda Douglass said, adding that the
FDA "will continue exploring policy options to create a pathway" to
allow the purchases.

An anticipated vote on Dorgan's amendment was initially blocked on
Thursday by Democratic Sen. Thomas R. Carper of Delaware, home to the
U.S. headquarters of pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca. Carper backs
a different version of the legislation that supporters decry as a
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Carper said in a statement that he shares the FDA's concerns that
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supply. This is a complicated issue that affects people's lives. We
should make sure that the FDA says it's safe before we reimport drugs
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McCain complained about the role of PhRMA, saying the powerful group
"has been over here lobbying furiously" because the amendment "breaks
the agreement that the White House made."

AARP, the powerful seniors' group that supports drug importation, has
notified senators that it will keep close track of votes on the Dorgan
amendment and will use the tally in its rankings of senior-friendly
lawmakers. AARP Senior Vice President David Sloane said Friday that
the legislation "would create a system for safe, legal importation of
prescription drugs from abroad" and would help lower drug costs.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the proposal would save the
government $19 billion over the next 10 years, and Dorgan estimated
that consumers would save $80 billion more. He pointed to vast price
differences in drugs made in the same factories; an equivalent amount
of the heartburn medication Nexium, for example, costs $36 in Spain
and $424 in the United States, he said.

"The pharmaceutical industry wouldn't be able to impose these price
increases because then you would have competition," Dorgan said on the
Senate floor last week. "Freedom equals competition in my judgment
here on this issue."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121401409.html


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 3:16 pm
From: "h"

"Palin'sAnusRimmer" <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> "The heartburn medication Nexium, for example, costs $36 in Spain and
> $424 in the United States."
>
> But you just know most Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce, and the
> remnants of Bush's pro-industry, anti-consumer FDA will back
> drugmakers on this one!
>
> Now, who you seniors gonna get mad at?

> -----------------
Again, yet another reason to refuse to take prescription (or even OTC)
drugs.

I really don't get the need. Doctors don't treat diseases, they prescribe
drugs to combat symptoms. It makes them more money to treat symptoms forever
rather than to fix the problem. Another reason to avoid doctors.

When my mother moved back here (upstate NY) from NC after my father died,
the first thing I did was convince her to STOP taking all the crap she'd
been prescribed. She was in her mid-80s and taking diuretics, antacids,
blood pressure meds, arthritis meds and doG knows what else - all expensive
prescription meds. Sure, she had Medicare and teacher's retirement
insurance, so the drugs were free, but NO ONE needs to take all that crap.

Once she started eating a low-carb, low-wheat diet, ALL of her symptoms
resolved, including the high blood pressure and the joint pain!

There is NO WAY I would EVER take prescription drugs on a regular basis.
Sure, when I get a tick bite I'll take anti-biotics for two weeks, but take
meds everyday forever? No freakin' way.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 6:06 pm
From: "3877" <3877@nospam.com>


h wrote:
> "Palin'sAnusRimmer" <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> "The heartburn medication Nexium, for example, costs $36 in Spain and
>> $424 in the United States."
>>
>> But you just know most Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce, and the
>> remnants of Bush's pro-industry, anti-consumer FDA will back
>> drugmakers on this one!
>>
>> Now, who you seniors gonna get mad at?
>
>> -----------------
> Again, yet another reason to refuse to take prescription (or even OTC) drugs.

What a terminal fuckwit.
>
> I really don't get the need. Doctors don't treat diseases, they
> prescribe drugs to combat symptoms. It makes them more money to treat
> symptoms forever rather than to fix the problem. Another reason to
> avoid doctors.

You're always free to die.

> When my mother moved back here (upstate NY) from NC after my father
> died, the first thing I did was convince her to STOP taking all the
> crap she'd been prescribed. She was in her mid-80s and taking
> diuretics, antacids, blood pressure meds, arthritis meds and doG
> knows what else - all expensive prescription meds. Sure, she had
> Medicare and teacher's retirement insurance, so the drugs were free,
> but NO ONE needs to take all that crap.

What a terminal fuckwit.

> Once she started eating a low-carb, low-wheat diet, ALL of her
> symptoms resolved, including the high blood pressure and the joint pain!

> There is NO WAY I would EVER take prescription drugs on a regular basis.

Great, when you end up with diabetes, you'll die.

> Sure, when I get a tick bite I'll take anti-biotics for two
> weeks, but take meds everyday forever? No freakin' way.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 6:53 pm
From: "h"

"3877" <3877@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:7oqtkrF3ma5tkU1@mid.individual.net...
>h wrote:
>> "Palin'sAnusRimmer" <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> "The heartburn medication Nexium, for example, costs $36 in Spain and
>>> $424 in the United States."
>>>
>>> But you just know most Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce, and the
>>> remnants of Bush's pro-industry, anti-consumer FDA will back
>>> drugmakers on this one!
>>>
>>> Now, who you seniors gonna get mad at?
>>
>>> -----------------
>> Again, yet another reason to refuse to take prescription (or even OTC)
>> drugs.
>
> What a terminal fuckwit.
>>
>> I really don't get the need. Doctors don't treat diseases, they
>> prescribe drugs to combat symptoms. It makes them more money to treat
>> symptoms forever rather than to fix the problem. Another reason to
>> avoid doctors.
>
> You're always free to die.
>
>> When my mother moved back here (upstate NY) from NC after my father
>> died, the first thing I did was convince her to STOP taking all the
>> crap she'd been prescribed. She was in her mid-80s and taking
>> diuretics, antacids, blood pressure meds, arthritis meds and doG
>> knows what else - all expensive prescription meds. Sure, she had
>> Medicare and teacher's retirement insurance, so the drugs were free,
>> but NO ONE needs to take all that crap.
>
> What a terminal fuckwit.
>
>> Once she started eating a low-carb, low-wheat diet, ALL of her
>> symptoms resolved, including the high blood pressure and the joint pain!
>
>> There is NO WAY I would EVER take prescription drugs on a regular basis.
>
> Great, when you end up with diabetes, you'll die.
>

I low-carb, dipshit. I CAN'T get type II diabetes (which isn't a real
"disease" anyway, it's poor diet/lifestyle).

I don't have, therefore won't get type I diabetes (I'm in my mid-50s), so
you can just fuck off, moron. PLONK!!


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 7:32 pm
From: "h fucker"


h wrote:
> "3877" <3877@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:7oqtkrF3ma5tkU1@mid.individual.net...
>> h wrote:
>>> "Palin'sAnusRimmer" <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> "The heartburn medication Nexium, for example, costs $36 in Spain
>>>> and $424 in the United States."
>>>>
>>>> But you just know most Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce, and
>>>> the remnants of Bush's pro-industry, anti-consumer FDA will back
>>>> drugmakers on this one!
>>>>
>>>> Now, who you seniors gonna get mad at?
>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>> Again, yet another reason to refuse to take prescription (or even
>>> OTC) drugs.
>>
>> What a terminal fuckwit.
>>>
>>> I really don't get the need. Doctors don't treat diseases, they
>>> prescribe drugs to combat symptoms. It makes them more money to
>>> treat symptoms forever rather than to fix the problem. Another
>>> reason to avoid doctors.
>>
>> You're always free to die.
>>
>>> When my mother moved back here (upstate NY) from NC after my father
>>> died, the first thing I did was convince her to STOP taking all the
>>> crap she'd been prescribed. She was in her mid-80s and taking
>>> diuretics, antacids, blood pressure meds, arthritis meds and doG
>>> knows what else - all expensive prescription meds. Sure, she had
>>> Medicare and teacher's retirement insurance, so the drugs were free,
>>> but NO ONE needs to take all that crap.
>>
>> What a terminal fuckwit.
>>
>>> Once she started eating a low-carb, low-wheat diet, ALL of her
>>> symptoms resolved, including the high blood pressure and the joint
>>> pain!
>>
>>> There is NO WAY I would EVER take prescription drugs on a regular
>>> basis.
>>
>> Great, when you end up with diabetes, you'll die.
>>
>
> I low-carb, dipshit. I CAN'T get type II diabetes

Wrong, as always. And pity about type I anyway.

(which isn't a real
> "disease" anyway, it's poor diet/lifestyle).

Wrong, as always.

You're always welcome to die early when you end up with high blood pressure too.

> I don't have, therefore won't get type I diabetes (I'm in my
> mid-50s), so you can just fuck off, moron. PLONK!!

Fat lot of good that will ever do you, fuckwit.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 11:54 am
From: "Bob F"


The Real Bev wrote:
> David Harmon wrote:
>
>> Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote,
>>> However, the recycling containers are a different story. My
>>> understanding is that the city gets some $$ from the aluminum, etc.,
>>
>> Yes, it's stealing for exactly the reason you give. In addition, my
>> city for example is under orders to divert a percentage of the trash
>> stream to recycling - if they fall short, they will be penalized by
>> the State of California. Check your local ordinances, and then call
>> the cops if you feel like it.
>
> Our city has to pay the recycling company to pick the stuff up. Personally,
> I'd rather that a human got the money than some faceless
> entity or the assholes that run our city.

What they pay is related to how much the recycling company makes for the more
valuable stuff. So it still affects what you pay in the long run.

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TOPIC: Make $40,000 in 6 weeks with 6 bucks I thought it was fake until I
tried it it really works!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 3:01 pm
From: seansey


ARE YOU READY TO GET $40,000 IN 6 WEEKS WITH ONLY 8 BUCKS!!??
If everyone sends just $6.00 and posts to at least 300 discussion
lists, mailing lists, newsgroups and more, this
will definitely work!
I found this posted in another group and thought I'd try it. I'd been
looking for ways to raise money for a
nonprofit organization that "sends" medical aid to impoverished
countries. I was very skeptical, but desperate--
bake sales and fundraisers just didn't cut it. The initial investment
is $6.00 plus six stamps--other participants
have earned $2,500 in almost 3 weeks from following this original
message below:
Here is the original post:
A while back, I was browsing these newsgroups, just like you are now,
and came across an article similar to this
that said you could make thousands of CASH within weeks with only an
initial investment of
$6.00 plus stamps! So I thought, "Yeah, right, this must be a scam!"
But like most of us I was curious and kept
reading. It said that if you send $1.00 to each of
the 6 names and addresses listed in the article, you could make
thousands in a very short period of time. You
then place your own name and address at the bottom of the list at #6,
and post the article to at least 300
newsgroups. (There are about 32,000 of them out there and that's quite
a large market pool). No catch, that was
it. Even though the investment was a measly $6, I had three questions
that needed to be answered before I could
get involved in this sort of thing.
1. IS THIS REALLY LEGAL?
I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little sceptical that I
would actually make any CASH but he said it WAS
LEGAL if I wanted to try it. I told him it sounded a lot like a chain
letter but the details of the system (SEE
BELOW) actually made it a legitimate legal business.
2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL FRAUD? I called them:
1-800-725-2161 and they
confirmed THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See 18, h sections1302 NS 1341 of
Postal Lottery Laws). This
clarifies the program of collecting names and addresses for a mailing
list.
3. IS IT RIGHT? Well, everyone who sends me a buck has a good chance
of getting A LOT of CASH ... a much
better chance than buying a lottery ticket!!!
So, having these questions answered, I invested EXACTLY $7.92 ... six
$1.00 bills and six 32 cent postage
stamps ... and boy am I glad I did!!!
Within 7 days, I started getting CASH in the mail! I was shocked! I
figured it would end soon and didn't give it
another thought. But the CASH continued coming in. In my first week I
made between $20 to $30.
By the end of the second week I had a made a total of $1,000.00. In
the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it
was still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total
of just over $42,000 and it's still coming
in .....
It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps !!!
Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get
the information off of it as you need it. I
promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will
start making more CASH than you thought
possible by doing something so easy!
Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or
download it.) Follow the simple directions and
watch the CASH come in! It's easy. It's legal.
And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)
IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not
illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really
works!!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you
will receive extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE:
Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be
yours in 20 to 60 days. This program
remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
participants. Please continue its success by
carefully adhering to the instructions.
You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business
your product is not solid and tangible, it's
a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many
large corporations are happy to pay big
bucks for quality lists. However, the CASH made from the mailing lists
is secondary to the income which is made
from people like you and me asking to be included in that list.
Here are the 4 easy steps to success:
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each
piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON
YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH
of the 6 pieces of paper so the
bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent
thievery). Place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them.
You should now have 6 sealed envelopes,
each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and
address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing
is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a
legitimate service and you are
paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little
worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I
checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they
confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the 6
envelopes to the following addresses:
#1) Angela Dawn
13326 Reads Ct.
Houston, TX 77015-1345
#2) David Amberwood
PO Box 36599
Stoney Creek, ON L8E 5B2
CANADA
#3) J. Thomas
36 Easterly Drive
East Sandwich, MA 02537
#4)Christopher L. Sloan
2200 Hickory St.
H.S.U. Box #14579
Abilene, TX 79698
#5) Kristen DeJoseph
138 Jansen Street
Staten Island, NY 10312
#6) Sean Reilly
2595 W 2325 S
West Haven, UT 84401

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5
becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list.
STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible. Now, post your
amended article to at least 300 newsgroups. (I think there are close
to 32,000 groups) All you need is 300, but
remember, the more you post, the more CASH you make! This is perfectly
legal! If you have any doubts, refer to
18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these
steps for
yourself and, whenever you need CASH, you can use it again, and
again.
PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the
honesty and integrity of the
participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look
at it this way. If you are a person of
integrity, the program will continue and the CASH that so many others
have received will come your way.
NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you,
either on a computer or hard copy and keep
the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing
a service. (Also, it might be a good idea
to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce
the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the
directions carefully followed,
six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List
Developer with one dollar each. Your name will
move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1
position you will be receiving thousands of
CASH in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of
the first six people listed above) Send
it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business!
---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your cursor at the
beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this
letter, and select 'copy' from the edit menu.
This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.
Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select
'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you
can add your name to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different settings, you'll
always have this file to go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups (on-line forums, message
boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text of this letter
and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will
be the header
that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a
particular group, click the post message button.
You're done with your first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get
the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE
MORE CASH YOU WILL MAKE!!
BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 300**
That's it! You will begin receiving CASH from around the world within
days! You may eventually want to rent a
P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish
to stay anonymous, you can invent
a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.
**JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**
Now the WHY part:
Out of 300 postings, say I receive only 7 replies (a very low
example). So then I made $7.00 with my name at #6
on the letter. Now, each of the 7 persons who just sent me $1.00 make
the MINIMUM 300 postings,
each with my name at #5 and only 7 persons respond to each of the 7
original 7, that is another $49.00 for me,
now those 49 each make 300 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 7
replies each, I will bring in an
additional $343.00! Now, those 343 persons turn around and post the
MINIMUM 300 with my name at #3 and
only receive 7 replies each, I will make an additional $2401.00! OK,
now here is the fun part, each of those 2401
persons post a MINIMUM 300 letters with my name
at #2 and they each only receive 7 replies, that just made me
$16,807.00!!! Those 16807 persons will all deliver
this message to 300 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 7
persons per 300 Newsgroups react I will
receive $117,649.00! With an original investment
of only $6.00! And some stamps.
AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the
latest posting in the newsgroups, and
send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at
number 6 again. And start posting again. The
thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all over
the world are joining the internet and
reading these articles everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you
afford $6.00 and see if it really
works?? I think so...
People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you
the CASH? So what! What are the
chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
new honest people who are joining the
internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try?
Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands
of those joining the actual internet.
Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work.
** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending
the CASH to the rest of the people already on the list, you will NOT
get as much. Someone I talked
to knew someone who did that and he only made about $150.00, and
that's after seven or eight weeks! Then he
sent the 6 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5
weeks he had over $10k.
This is the fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to share the
wealth of the world without costing
anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail
lists for future CASH.
Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW! Also, try to keep a
list of everyone that sends you CASH and
always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing
fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE
BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the CASH!!
GOOD LUCK to all and please
play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of
extra CASH.
Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again...
"People have asked me if this is really legal. Well, it is! You are
using the Internet to advertise your business.
What is that business? You are creating a mailing list of people who
are interested in home based computer and
online business and methods of generating income at home. Remember,
people send
you a small fee to be added to your mailing list. It is legal. what
will you do with your list of thousands of names?
That's up to you." So, build your mailing list, keep good accounts,
declare the income and
pay your taxes. By doing this you prove your business intentions. Keep
an eye on the newsgroups and when the
cash has stopped coming (that means your name is no longer on the
list), you just take the latest posting at the
newsgroups, send another $6.00 to the names stated on the list, make
your corrections (put your name at #6) and
start posting again.
NOTES:
*1. In some countries, the export of the country's exchange is
illegal. But you can get the license to do this from
the post office, explaining the above statements (that you have an
online business, etc. You may have to pay an
extra tax, but that's OK, the amount of the incoming CASH is HUGE! And
as I said, a few countries have that
restriction .
*2. You may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future CASH. (Or
Database or Spreadsheet software.)
*3. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real,
please print a copy of this article and give it to
someone who really needs the CASH, and see what happens.
*4. You will start getting responses within 1-2 weeks, it depends.
***ALSO REMEMBER***
SEND YOUR $1 OUT TO EVERYONE ON THE LIST,
EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT FROM THE U.S.
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR???
$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!
GOOD LUCK!!!


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TOPIC: cinnamon pine cones
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 4:00 pm
From: sf


On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:55:49 -0500, Vandy Terre
<vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:56 -0800 (PST), jaygreg <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 11, 1:37 pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On Dec 10, 11:38 am, jaygreg <jaygre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Bought two bags of these (ten bucks!) at Joann Fabrics on impulse.
>>> > TREMENDOUS aroma in the foyer of the store. Scent lasted two days in-
>>> > home! Anyone have a recipe for refurbishing cinnamon pine cones?
>>>
>>> Google for cinnamon oil.  Start with a few drops, until you've
>>> achieved
>>> the desired aroma.
>>>
>>> Cindy H amilton
>>
>>Just that simple? Thanks, Cindy. I'll give it a try.
>
>Cinnamon oil can be found through herb shops serving the new age market. It can
>also be found in stores supplying flavoring agents for food use.

It can probably be found at Joann Fabrics too.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 4:16 pm
From: "h"

"sf" <sf@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:hn8gi55683qqelr621qmcj2edhannun3ge@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:55:49 -0500, Vandy Terre
> <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:56 -0800 (PST), jaygreg <jaygreg90@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 11, 1:37 pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Dec 10, 11:38 am, jaygreg <jaygre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bought two bags of these (ten bucks!) at Joann Fabrics on impulse.
>>>> > TREMENDOUS aroma in the foyer of the store. Scent lasted two days in-
>>>> > home! Anyone have a recipe for refurbishing cinnamon pine cones?
>>>>

Oh good, doG, I was in there today for business purchases (I'd NEVER set
foot in there if small quantities of things were available via mailorder)
and the X-mas stench nearly killed me! Why on earth would you want ANYTHING
to smell like that? YUCK!!!! I think decomp smells better than that trash.
Decomp just smells bad; that crap makes your nostrils burn, as well as
smelling like a combo of 8-days-uncleaned-cat-box, unsanitized jock locker,
plus a touch of rancid vomit. BARF!!!! Artificial smells are as bad as
artificial flavors. Something to be avoided at all costs.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 4:31 pm
From: sf


On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:39:08 -0500, jeff <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

>You believe everything you hear on wingnut radio?
>
>http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/491
>
>If you guys stop running on myths and fear we can get somewhere. But
>maybe that's all you got?

http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/sign/poRescue/?source=fbc
let's get this show on the road!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 7:36 pm
From: tmclone


On Dec 11, 5:22 pm, "3877" <3...@nospam.com> wrote:


The 3877 thing is a troll. It's been all over the place in the last
few hours. Just killfile it and move on.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 14 2009 6:33 pm
From: The Real Bev


Lenona wrote:

> Is it
> possible to give money to charities and not have them hound you for
> the rest of your life?

No, and the hounding continues into the afterlife. After the one-year forward
on my mom's mail ended, the Post Office graciously gave all the charities the
address to which her mail had been forwarded -- mine. I now receive several
begging letters per day for her. It always angered her that the ones she
actually contributed to wasted her money on sending her more begging letters.

I take a certain amount of satisfaction in the fact that eventually they will
have spent more on soliciting her than she gave them during her lifetime.

I wish there were some way of punishing the Post Office for what I consider to
be an egregious breach of confidentiality.

--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do.
They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy,
they'd have indoor plumbing by now." -- Ann Coulter


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 14 2009 8:28 pm
From: slobeck


On 2009-12-12 12:59:59 -0800, Barbara Schwarz
<BarbaraSchwarz2004@excite.com> said:
>
> They conspire, cyberstalk, defame, libel, violate copyrights, abuse,
> harass, make false factual statements, etc. and all under the cover of
> Christianity.

are you implying that anonymous is a bunch of christians? I -for one-
am Buddhist and Anon (i guess i just name-fagged myself a little but
what the hell)

Maybe I just misunderstood

slø


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 14 2009 8:29 pm
From: slobeck


On 2009-12-12 13:40:14 -0800, henri <henri@nowhere.invalid> said:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:43:47 -0800 (PST), Atlas Bugged
> <atlasbuggedbyspam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
>> prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
>> be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
>> have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
>> "rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
>> acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
>> internet fora.
>
> Has anyone apologized for having said true things about you, such as
> that you may be the worst lawyer on the face of the Earth next to Orly
> Taitz?

oh *snap*


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 14 2009 11:29 pm
From: "nflbrandjersey@gmail.com"


The lowest price Nike Air Force 1 Snakeskin Edition Black Grey
available in shoeslist.

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