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* Boo-hoo for bloodsucking retailers - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/81b94728ed0f8519?hl=en
* www.mover4u.com moving company guide - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/09f2970542a87d0e?hl=en
* RodSpeed, Australia is calling - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bbf82099b964d3f2?hl=en
* Soldering eyeglass Frames - 17 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ffd45cd171f652d0?hl=en
* Caution: Cheap Candles are Dangerous, Carcinogenic - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f0cc7cd66e5105ee?hl=en
* It happened! My pipes froze, they burst today, and my entire bathroom was
FLOODED! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3cfa54c711f046f4?hl=en

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TOPIC: Boo-hoo for bloodsucking retailers
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:51 pm
From: Snowbound

In article <13pcii34pf9m1e5@news.supernews.com>,
Spinner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:40:10 -0600, Snowbound wrote:
>
> > In article <479578c1$0$10992$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So the DJIA started dropping about 10 months before Bush was elected
> >
> > Likely in anticipation of his faux victory. That is certainly how it
> > seemed at the time to this investor. The ambient filthy political circus
> > surrounding the campaigns-- mostly generated by the Republican party and
> > its seemingly endless supply of inbred grunts-- and the "election"
> > itself gave rise to a deep-seated pessimism among shrewd investors.
>
> I don't have time to look into this but I'll throw it out there for
> your consideration: Could it be that the DJIA drop towards the end of
> Clinton's term was the result of Republican interference in his
> presidency via their abuse of the impeachment process?

I'm not enough of a conspiracy theorist to give too much weight to the
idea, but given the genuinely impressive lockstep planning and
implementation that went into the neo-conservative coup, I certainly
would not be surprised to find out that market manipulation was indeed
on their agenda from the start.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:59 pm
From: Bert Hyman

In news:x_slj.5796$HL1.2419@newsfe21.lga clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

> Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>>PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com (clams_casino) wrote in
>>news:Rhslj.25638$3b7.8092@newsfe23.lga:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It's generally accepted that the stock market tends to reflect 6-18
>>>months ahead, not what's already happened.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That must explain the wild gyrations the markets go through whenever
>>economic reports summarizing data from the previous month or previous
>>quarter are released.
>>
>>
>>
> Are you suggesting you invest on what's already happened?

Are you suggesting that I revealed anything about my own investments in
that statement?

I was simply pointing out that your assertion is wrong.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

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TOPIC: www.mover4u.com moving company guide
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:58 pm
From: love

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 2:40 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop

That exchange traded fund EWA is down today. What a day in the market!
I will buy a little oF EWA soon. The dividend yield on it is getting
attractive versus a government bond that will get eaten by inflation.

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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:02 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

JoeSpareBedroom writes:

> Please share your prescription with us.

R -2.50-0.50x174
L -3.00-1.25x175

PD=71

temple=140mm-
57/16 or 52/16

== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:10 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DB7925EFA4someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> Please share your prescription with us.
>
> R -2.50-0.50x174
> L -3.00-1.25x175
>
> PD=71
>
> temple=140mm-
> 57/16 or 52/16

Looks like an easier prescription to fill than mine. I actually walked into
3 eyeglass places where they could measure everything themselves. All 3 of
them screwed it up BIG time. This offshore thing is obviously not for
everybody.

== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:14 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

William Sommerwerck writes:

> Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
> "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens
> size & shape, PD, prescription, etc?

You don't understand. It takes a small number of stock lenses to cover
almost all the population for single-vision lenses. All you need are small
set of increments of spherical powers crossed with a few astigmatic
cylinder increments. These are stocked as big circular blanks.

Size and shape to fit the frame, PD centering, astigmatism angle, etc., are
all fitted with a jig that cuts the big round blank to a final shape,
center, and cylinder angle. The "optician" doesn't grind the optical
surfaces.

Now, bifocal adds, progressives, extreme Rx powers, are another matter.
But even those tend to be jobbed out to factories, not done by local
craftsmen any more. And those factories are increasingly found overseas in
an age of air transport.

== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:20 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DB9930D64Fsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> William Sommerwerck writes:
>
>> Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
>> "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens
>> size & shape, PD, prescription, etc?
>
> You don't understand. It takes a small number of stock lenses to cover
> almost all the population for single-vision lenses. All you need are small
> set of increments of spherical powers crossed with a few astigmatic
> cylinder increments. These are stocked as big circular blanks.
>
> Size and shape to fit the frame, PD centering, astigmatism angle, etc.,
> are
> all fitted with a jig that cuts the big round blank to a final shape,
> center, and cylinder angle. The "optician" doesn't grind the optical
> surfaces.
>
> Now, bifocal adds, progressives, extreme Rx powers, are another matter.
> But even those tend to be jobbed out to factories, not done by local
> craftsmen any more. And those factories are increasingly found overseas
> in
> an age of air transport.

Twice in 25 years, my optician has gotten lenses back from the "lab",
installed them in the frames I already owned, put them on me, and said
"These are not quite right." He was correct. They were weird. He gave me
the option of putting the old ones back in and coming back when the
replacements were done, or living with the "rejects".

It's worth a few hundred bucks to some people to know that what they're
getting is perfect the first time.

== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:24 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

JoeSpareBedroom writes:

> This offshore thing is obviously not for everybody.

I agree. Dull minds have to pay more for the same results. You cannot
shop price when you don't understand what you're buying. Guild-mentality
opticians have an incentive to keep us ignorant. Intelligent, critical
thinkers, with the Web at hand, can bust that racket.

== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:31 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBB4812BD1someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> This offshore thing is obviously not for everybody.
>
> I agree. Dull minds have to pay more for the same results. You cannot
> shop price when you don't understand what you're buying. Guild-mentality
> opticians have an incentive to keep us ignorant. Intelligent, critical
> thinkers, with the Web at hand, can bust that racket.

How is an offshore supplier supposed to measure the distance between pupils,
and determine frame size?

== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:32 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> Please share your prescription with us.

> R -2.50 -0.50x174
> L -3.00 -1.25x175

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyeglass_prescription

Both eyes are nearsighted. The first requires a cylindrical (astigmatic)
correction of -0.5 diopters at an angle of 174 degrees.

Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store supposed to
stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters refraction and -.5
diopters cylindrical? You'd need at least 10,000 different lenses to cover
the common combinations. Even if the cylindrical were limited to 5-degree
increments, you'd still need a huge number of lenses.

No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe it.

== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:33 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DB9930D64Fsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> William Sommerwerck writes:

>> Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
>> "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens
>> size & shape, PD, prescription, etc?

> You don't understand. It takes a small number of stock lenses to cover
> almost all the population for single-vision lenses. All you need are small
> set of increments of spherical powers crossed with a few astigmatic
> cylinder increments. These are stocked as big circular blanks.

If this is true, how could you expect a reasonably close fit?

== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:36 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

JoeSpareBedroom writes:

> It's worth a few hundred bucks to some people to know that what they're
> getting is perfect the first time.

So take your imports to the optometrist who wrote the Rx. That's his job,
to check that sort of thing. And you can check them yourself, if you know
how.

== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:41 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

JoeSpareBedroom writes:

> How is an offshore supplier supposed to measure the distance between
> pupils, and determine frame size?

He doesn't. You do.

It takes a very costly, specialized instrument called a "ruler". Opticians
use a disguised version to make you think you need them to make this
measurement, when in fact it is no more complicated than a tailor measuring
you for pants.

== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:43 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBD4E66F78someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> It's worth a few hundred bucks to some people to know that what they're
>> getting is perfect the first time.
>
> So take your imports to the optometrist who wrote the Rx. That's his job,
> to check that sort of thing. And you can check them yourself, if you know
> how.

What sort of work do you do? In other words, what do you do for a living?

== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:43 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

William Sommerwerck writes:

> Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store
> supposed to stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters
> refraction and -.5 diopters cylindrical?

Read my earlier reply. One lens blank covers all cylinder angles for a
given spherical power and cylinder power. The angle is determined by the
trimming of the blank.

== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:46 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

JoeSpareBedroom writes:

> What sort of work do you do? In other words, what do you do for a
> living?

Various engineering things, including optical engineering.

== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:48 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>> Please share your prescription with us.
>
>> R -2.50 -0.50x174
>> L -3.00 -1.25x175
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyeglass_prescription
>
> Both eyes are nearsighted. The first requires a cylindrical (astigmatic)
> correction of -0.5 diopters at an angle of 174 degrees.
>
> Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store supposed to
> stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters refraction and -.5
> diopters cylindrical? You'd need at least 10,000 different lenses to cover
> the common combinations. Even if the cylindrical were limited to 5-degree
> increments, you'd still need a huge number of lenses.
>
> No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe it.

The blanks are circles. They spin the blank around to 174 degrees
and cut it with a machine to fit the size and shape of the frame.

Anthony

== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:48 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBEF5A8F08someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> What sort of work do you do? In other words, what do you do for a
>> living?
>
> Various engineering things, including optical engineering.

Do you work for free in all your "things", or do you get paid for some of
them?

== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:48 pm
From: clewis@nortelnetworks.com (Chris Lewis)

According to Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com>:
> John Smith writes:
>
> > I was truly unaware such existed. Where are these people located?
>
> Hong Kong.

Ya sure? ;-)

Their web site quotes:

Zenni Optical
27 Sunny Oaks Dr.
San Rafael, Ca.94903
Phone 1-800-211-2105
Fax 1-415-491-4516

And their domain registration is "domains by proxy" with no contact
info, which is usually a very bad sign.

But not always.

They seem to at least have some US presence, which is a very
good sign.

[I buy rechargeable batteries from a company which has dozens of
different "customized to different demographic" web sites, based
in HK, but ships from CA. No problems with them.]

> > Have you done satisfactory business with them?
>
> Yep.
>
> > The product is good?
>
> Yep.

--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 4:06 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DBE8C055BCsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> William Sommerwerck writes:

>> Note that the angles are in one-degree increments. Is the store
>> supposed to stock 180 different versions of a lens with -2.5 diopters
>> refraction and -.5 diopters cylindrical?

> Read my earlier reply. One lens blank covers all cylinder angles for a
> given spherical power and cylinder power. The angle is determined by the
> trimming of the blank.

Duh. Duh, duh, duh. Of course.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:10 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Dave wrote:
> But -- it really hit home last night how dangerous some candles are,
> and what a health hazard they can be.

I hate to say this but all candles are health hazards.

It's funny how people are making such a big deal about
secondhand smoke from tobacco but no one is admitting
that candle and incense smoke is just as bad.

Just say NO to inhaling smoke.

Anthony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 4:22 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On Jan 22, 5:10 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > But -- it really hit home last night how dangerous some candles are,
> > and what a health hazard they can be.

> I hate to say this but all candles are health hazards.

And, they are fire hazards.

You can now buy LED battery operated candles that are safe and non-
polluting.

See http://www.flamelesscandles.net/

--
Ron

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 3:51 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:52:27 -0800 (PST), websurf1@cox.net wrote:

>What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?

It's whining with a British accent. ;-)

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 4:19 pm
From:
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"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:52:27 -0800 (PST), websurf1@cox.net wrote:
>
>>What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?
>
> It's whining with a British accent. ;-)
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

whinge (hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. whinged, whing·ing, whing·es Chiefly British
To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

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[Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]

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whinger n.
whinging·ly adv.

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* Why we don't need Mexicans - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Boo-hoo for bloodsucking retailers - 6 messages, 4 authors
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 9:26 am
From: qwest602000

On Jan 18, 8:03 pm, Paul Knudsen <pknud...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:20:43 -0800 (PST), Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
>
> Yeah.  The big agricultural and industrial companies that want cheap
> labor.

don't worry
the mexicans will get us out of a depression
just give them drivers lic. and more medicaid.
tht will solve the problem

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:25 am
From: Snowbound

In article <4rsap397bq494e83lnirqjp72llsa8o3m7@4ax.com>,
Paul Knudsen <pknudsen@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:57:18 -0600, Snowbound
> <loosebowels@ixnay.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I think you are mistaking ancient Rome for the Pol Pot regime, Castro's
> >Cuba or Stalin's USSR. Or perhaps you wish to compare ancient Rome with
> >these regimes?
>
> Well, the Romans weren't known for their tender hearts either. They
> invented crucifixion, you know.

Right, such a lock they had on cruelty. Crucifixion is so much worse
than impalement, which it replaced. In case you weren't aware,
impalement does not use sharpened poles. They are tapered, but dull.
They are inserted into the anus and slowly worked up the abdomen and
even occasionally out through the throat and mouth. The victims can
actually live for weeks like that, properly cared for. It was once
common to see whole fields of impalement victims rotting in the sun,
still alive. Men, women and children.

And son-of-a-gun, which country invented as a sanctified medical
procedure, prefrontal lobotomy, performed on helpless, confined,
restrained, unanesthetized "mentally ill" patients by sticking an ice
pick past their eyeball into their brain and wiggling it around so the
"patients" became little more than drooling vegetables?

Yes sir, those romans were real bastards alright.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 9:40 am
From: Snowbound

In article <479578c1$0$10992$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> So the DJIA started dropping about 10 months before Bush was elected

Likely in anticipation of his faux victory. That is certainly how it
seemed at the time to this investor. The ambient filthy political circus
surrounding the campaigns-- mostly generated by the Republican party and
its seemingly endless supply of inbred grunts-- and the "election"
itself gave rise to a deep-seated pessimism among shrewd investors.

Even now, this time of bottomless debt issues, most investors
acknowledge that it is attitude that most determines which way the
market goes. Degenerate Republican smears furthered the damage,
intentionally spreading FUD throughout the market. Given the gains of
the past, no investor was willing to part with his holdings, except for
the fear liberally dispersed through the nation by the Republican
campaign.

This is indeed how the Republicans won in 2000, and the only way they
can advance their real agenda in the future. Their form of "change" is
the wanton destruction of all that was built in the past.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:00 am
From: Snowbound

In article <479578c1$0$10992$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> For your theory (that fear of Bush was the motivator for the drop in
> the stock market) to hold water, the market would've had to factor a
> 9.7% drop into the DJIA and a stunning 45.1% drop into the NASDAQ,
> just to account for Bush. According to your theory, not only was the
> market extremely afraid of Bush

Hardly a "theory". It's called "history". The Republicans had been
working hard to deliberately create that atmosphere since the 90s'
Democratic takeover. Their increasingly loud and shrill cries that the
sky is falling were accompanied by massive inside fundraising and
political crimes (such as district redraws) that make New York's and
Chicago's political machines look prissy in comparison. This absolutely
belies their intent to wrest power by creating fear across the country,
which admittedly has become quite pussified.

But what do you expect the market to do under those conditions? No
doubt, the Republicans considered market losses a necessary sacrifice,
but they also probably thought it would be temporary, since once "the
adults" came to power, their scrimp-and-save policies would make it
stronger.

Well, they (and you) were wrong then, and you both are just as wrong
now. Except that *now*, the facts and the historians can prove you wrong.

The problem is, that there may be no fix that won't take successive
generations to accomplish. The damage the neocons have done is so
extensive, the cuts so deep, this nation has for the last 8 years been
hemorrhaging everything that once made it of value, including official
adherence to its own Constitution.

Markets thrive under political stability, not under despotic, criminally
incompetent regimes. The United States, once the greatest nation in the
world, has taken away it shining star of political stability and
replaced it with the myriad tarnished voices of intolerance, racial
hatred, indiscriminate violence, and unjust force. No market can work
freely under these conditions, and investors know it. They sensed it
'way back in '99, too. It's called chickens coming home to roost.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:55 am
From: Spinner

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:40:10 -0600, Snowbound wrote:

> In article <479578c1$0$10992$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> So the DJIA started dropping about 10 months before Bush was elected
>
> Likely in anticipation of his faux victory. That is certainly how it
> seemed at the time to this investor. The ambient filthy political circus
> surrounding the campaigns-- mostly generated by the Republican party and
> its seemingly endless supply of inbred grunts-- and the "election"
> itself gave rise to a deep-seated pessimism among shrewd investors.

I don't have time to look into this but I'll throw it out there for
your consideration: Could it be that the DJIA drop towards the end of
Clinton's term was the result of Republican interference in his
presidency via their abuse of the impeachment process?

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 12:24 pm
From: clams_casino

Spinner wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:40:10 -0600, Snowbound wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <479578c1$0$10992$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>So the DJIA started dropping about 10 months before Bush was elected
>>>
>>>
>>Likely in anticipation of his faux victory. That is certainly how it
>>seemed at the time to this investor. The ambient filthy political circus
>>surrounding the campaigns-- mostly generated by the Republican party and
>>its seemingly endless supply of inbred grunts-- and the "election"
>>itself gave rise to a deep-seated pessimism among shrewd investors.
>>
>>
>
>I don't have time to look into this but I'll throw it out there for
>your consideration: Could it be that the DJIA drop towards the end of
>Clinton's term was the result of Republican interference in his
>presidency via their abuse of the impeachment process?
>
>
It's generally accepted that the stock market tends to reflect 6-18
months ahead, not what's already happened.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 12:49 pm
From: Bert Hyman

PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com (clams_casino) wrote in
news:Rhslj.25638$3b7.8092@newsfe23.lga:

> It's generally accepted that the stock market tends to reflect 6-18
> months ahead, not what's already happened.

That must explain the wild gyrations the markets go through whenever
economic reports summarizing data from the previous month or previous
quarter are released.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:11 pm
From: clams_casino

Bert Hyman wrote:

>PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com (clams_casino) wrote in
>news:Rhslj.25638$3b7.8092@newsfe23.lga:
>
>
>
>>It's generally accepted that the stock market tends to reflect 6-18
>>months ahead, not what's already happened.
>>
>>
>
>That must explain the wild gyrations the markets go through whenever
>economic reports summarizing data from the previous month or previous
>quarter are released.
>
>
>
Are you suggesting you invest on what's already happened?

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 9:44 am
From: Dave

On Jan 22, 10:02 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> >We love candles
>
> Back again to spam your sham blog?

Hello Friendly Welcomer for Frugal-Living,

Yes, you are always there, guard dog at the gates. Odd that you have
no reaction to dozens of messages that appear here about cheap
sneakers from China.

I read Frugal-Living daily, and believe that when I have something to
say that fits with the forum content, I can post it, just as you do.
Thanks Clams,

Dave

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:51 am
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

> when I have something to
>say that fits with the forum content, I can post it, just as you do.
>Thanks Clams,
>
>Dave
>
>
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 1:10 pm
From: Dave

On Jan 22, 12:51 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > when I have something to
> >say that fits with the forum content, I can post it, just as you do.
> >Thanks Clams,
>
> >Dave
>
> You, best freebies and Cheapo Groovo ...........

No disrespect intended to you, but I can see your frustration. I'm
reading it now while I am on the road, using Google (albeit not the
best usenet reader, to say the least) and the top ten posts that I see
on the forum are spam, with one exception (mine). You may disagree
because I use one line for my sig, but it is still the only post in
the group of ten threads at the top of Frugal-Llving that has
something to do with a frugal lifestyle. I'd like to see the
discussion grow.

Dave

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 9:52 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> I assume you're kidding. Can you imagine how many millions of
>> pre-ground "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible
>> combination of lens size & shape, PD, prescription, etc? There
>> probably aren't that many atoms in the universe! <grin>

> He's not kidding. That's how all those "eyeglasses in a hour" places
> do it. They stock an assortment of ready made lenses. The "blank"
> lenses are large circles. They simply cut them to fit the frames you
> picked out. The size, shape, and PD are irrelevent, as they cut from
> the large blank which has it's optical center in the center.

I could see this if all you were correcting for were single refractive
errors. But lenses also require astigmatism correction. Not to mention the
different types of lens materials, coatings, etc -- and bifocals, trifocals,
progressives, etc.

Furthermore, it would make no sense to stock all these variations, simply
because of the capital investment involved. A store can't afford to keep
rarely needed prescriptions in stock.

Finally... The lens has to be "ground" at some point, regardless of whether
it's in China or the US. Are you suggesting that it would take an automatic
machine more than a few minutes to do this -- while the technician was doing
something else?

Nope. I still don't buy it.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:22 am
From: John Smith

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> ...
> Please share your prescription with us.
>
>

Two pair cost me about $70.00 USD to order (shipping stays the the same,
$4.95 USD, no matter how many pairs you order!)

Even if he is fibbing, maybe it will work out. At least at that price,
I won't be disappointed longer than a couple of hours. <LOL>

Regards,
JS

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:51 am
From: salty@dog.com

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:52:07 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>>> I assume you're kidding. Can you imagine how many millions of
>>> pre-ground "stock" lenses would be needed to every possible
>>> combination of lens size & shape, PD, prescription, etc? There
>>> probably aren't that many atoms in the universe! <grin>
>
>> He's not kidding. That's how all those "eyeglasses in a hour" places
>> do it. They stock an assortment of ready made lenses. The "blank"
>> lenses are large circles. They simply cut them to fit the frames you
>> picked out. The size, shape, and PD are irrelevent, as they cut from
>> the large blank which has it's optical center in the center.
>
>I could see this if all you were correcting for were single refractive
>errors. But lenses also require astigmatism correction. Not to mention the
>different types of lens materials, coatings, etc -- and bifocals, trifocals,
>progressives, etc.
>
>Furthermore, it would make no sense to stock all these variations, simply
>because of the capital investment involved. A store can't afford to keep
>rarely needed prescriptions in stock.
>
>Finally... The lens has to be "ground" at some point, regardless of whether
>it's in China or the US. Are you suggesting that it would take an automatic
>machine more than a few minutes to do this -- while the technician was doing
>something else?
>
>Nope. I still don't buy it.
>
>

You can argue all you like, but the fact remains, there are stores in
just about every town of any consequence and most large malls that do
exactly what I said. One example is Lenscrafters, which has over 800
locations. I am simply astounded to find someone who isn't aware of
them, as they advertise this like mad on radio, TV and in print.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:48 am
From: Goedjn

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:04:16 +0000 (UTC),
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

>Eyeglass repair webs say they use gold solder.
>
>I could almost make the temple from wire (run the screw through a
>loop). If only I knew where to find "antique bronze" wire that stiff
>and thick.
>

Fence wire, and modeling paint.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:14 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

<salty@dog.com> wrote in message
news:82ecp3tmljs6imckimssgimmbrnmttoqtq@4ax.com...

> You can argue all you like, but the fact remains, there are stores in
> just about every town of any consequence and most large malls that
> do exactly what I said. One example is Lenscrafters, which has over
> 800 locations. I am simply astounded to find someone who isn't aware
> of them, as they advertise this like mad on radio, TV and in print.

Of course I'm aware of LensCrafters -- I've bought glasses from them. I
simply don't believe that they have tens of thousands of lenses that have
been pre-ground to every conceivable prescription. It's not an economically
efficient way to run a business.

I just remembered something... You can request these companies to grind the
frontal radius of the lens to match the radius of your previous lens. This
wouldn't be practical if the lenses were pre-ground.

I'll back off on this issue for the time being. The next time I'm near
LensCrafters or a similar company, I'll ask.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:25 am
From: salty@dog.com

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:14:07 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

><salty@dog.com> wrote in message
>news:82ecp3tmljs6imckimssgimmbrnmttoqtq@4ax.com...
>
>> You can argue all you like, but the fact remains, there are stores in
>> just about every town of any consequence and most large malls that
>> do exactly what I said. One example is Lenscrafters, which has over
>> 800 locations. I am simply astounded to find someone who isn't aware
>> of them, as they advertise this like mad on radio, TV and in print.
>
>Of course I'm aware of LensCrafters -- I've bought glasses from them. I
>simply don't believe that they have tens of thousands of lenses that have
>been pre-ground to every conceivable prescription. It's not an economically
>efficient way to run a business.
>

Apparently, it IS an economically efficient way to run a business.
They have been hugely succesful. For openers, do you have any idea
what mass produced molded plastic lenses cost a place like
Lenscrafters? A dollar each? Less? The markups in the optometry biz
are astronomical. Stocking enough lenses to cover 90% of the people
who walk through the door isn't nearly the expense you think it is.
Especialyy when they can stock shallow and the inventory system
automatically reorders as they are drawn from stock. The inventory
even knows which ones move faster, and adjusts accordingly.

>I just remembered something... You can request these companies to grind the
>frontal radius of the lens to match the radius of your previous lens. This
>wouldn't be practical if the lenses were pre-ground.
>

Yeah, so for the small minority iof cases where a customer needs
something special, they make a phone call to the main warehouse and
tell the customer that they have to come back tomorrow. Overnighting a
pair of lenses is no problem when you are making $300-500 profit on a
pair of glasses.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:31 am
From: John Smith

salty@dog.com wrote:

> ...
> You can argue all you like, but the fact remains, there are stores in
> just about every town of any consequence and most large malls that do
> exactly what I said. One example is Lenscrafters, which has over 800
> locations. I am simply astounded to find someone who isn't aware of
> them, as they advertise this like mad on radio, TV and in print.
>
>

I can understand how plastic lens are quick and no big problem.

What amazes me is that it seems no longer to get the glass lens--but,
these are being offered less and less often ...

Regards,
JS

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:32 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

<salty@dog.com> wrote in message
news:d6gcp35sfg1vrebqmd20r5jq6iudu976g8@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:14:07 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
> <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>><salty@dog.com> wrote in message
>>news:82ecp3tmljs6imckimssgimmbrnmttoqtq@4ax.com...
>>
>>> You can argue all you like, but the fact remains, there are stores in
>>> just about every town of any consequence and most large malls that
>>> do exactly what I said. One example is Lenscrafters, which has over
>>> 800 locations. I am simply astounded to find someone who isn't aware
>>> of them, as they advertise this like mad on radio, TV and in print.
>>
>>Of course I'm aware of LensCrafters -- I've bought glasses from them. I
>>simply don't believe that they have tens of thousands of lenses that have
>>been pre-ground to every conceivable prescription. It's not an
>>economically
>>efficient way to run a business.
>>
>
> Apparently, it IS an economically efficient way to run a business.
> They have been hugely succesful. For openers, do you have any idea
> what mass produced molded plastic lenses cost a place like
> Lenscrafters? A dollar each? Less? The markups in the optometry biz
> are astronomical. Stocking enough lenses to cover 90% of the people
> who walk through the door isn't nearly the expense you think it is.
> Especialyy when they can stock shallow and the inventory system
> automatically reorders as they are drawn from stock. The inventory
> even knows which ones move faster, and adjusts accordingly.
>
>
>>I just remembered something... You can request these companies to grind
>>the
>>frontal radius of the lens to match the radius of your previous lens. This
>>wouldn't be practical if the lenses were pre-ground.
>>
>
> Yeah, so for the small minority iof cases where a customer needs
> something special, they make a phone call to the main warehouse and
> tell the customer that they have to come back tomorrow. Overnighting a
> pair of lenses is no problem when you are making $300-500 profit on a
> pair of glasses.
>
>

You might be right about all this. Who provided you with this information
about stocking all or most of the the blanks?

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:34 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"John Smith" <assemblywizard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fn5g9u$dte$2@news.albasani.net...
> salty@dog.com wrote:
>
>> ...
>> You can argue all you like, but the fact remains, there are stores in
>> just about every town of any consequence and most large malls that do
>> exactly what I said. One example is Lenscrafters, which has over 800
>> locations. I am simply astounded to find someone who isn't aware of
>> them, as they advertise this like mad on radio, TV and in print.
>>
>>
>
> I can understand how plastic lens are quick and no big problem.
>
> What amazes me is that it seems no longer to get the glass lens--but,
> these are being offered less and less often ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

"offered"? You mean, you ask for them and you're told they no longer sell
them? Or, you don't ask and they don't mention glass as an option?

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:40 am
From: John Smith

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> ...
> "offered"? You mean, you ask for them and you're told they no longer sell
> them? Or, you don't ask and they don't mention glass as an option?
>
>

True, I just don't see them offered. At the price I have been paying
for plastic--I am scared to!

Regards,
JS

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:22 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jan 22, 9:32 am, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>  http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt
> And which sentence, specifically, gives any government agency the power to
> stimulate or retard the economy?

Looks like this one:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and
general
Welfare of the United States;

If they can collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the
united
states, it is reasonable that they can rebate taxes for that purpose.

Not very specific, I'll grant you, but if the government limited
itself to
what is exactly stated in the Constitution, we'd have a country that
operated along 18th Century lines. No, thank you.

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 10:43 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
> Stormin Mormon <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote

>> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt
>> And which sentence, specifically, gives any government
>> agency the power to stimulate or retard the economy?

> Looks like this one:

Nope.

> The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,
> Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for
> the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

> If they can collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the united
> states, it is reasonable that they can rebate taxes for that purpose.

Yes, but the main way the economy is stimulated and retarded is with the fed controlling interest rates.

> Not very specific, I'll grant you, but if the government limited itself
> to what is exactly stated in the Constitution, we'd have a country
> that operated along 18th Century lines. No, thank you.

Precisely.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 11:27 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 2 ==
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From: Shawn Hirn

In article <4794b1c2$0$6500$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Where, in the Constitution does it give the Fed the authority to regulate
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Read section 8.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 6:32 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt
And which sentence, specifically, gives any government agency the power to
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--
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Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
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"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-566369.05523322012008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <4794b1c2$0$6500$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Where, in the Constitution does it give the Fed the authority to regulate
> the economy?

Read section 8.

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Logan Shaw wrote:

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TOPIC: Soldering eyeglass Frames / Zenni Optical
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 6:08 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Which makes him a star witness.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:fpe9p35c7boli6f8g7ma8qumlpa1s3nfrc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:07:09 -0500, in sci.electronics.repair,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> bloviated:

>I got a couple pair of glasses from Zenni. They seem fine to me. Gunner
>Asch
>has also mentioned being satisfied with Zenni.

Gummy is also satisfied with Bush, Cheney, Iraq, the Economy, the
Environment and using a saturday night special as a leather punch.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 6:56 am
From: Aratzio

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:08:19 -0500, in sci.electronics.repair,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> bloviated:

>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:fpe9p35c7boli6f8g7ma8qumlpa1s3nfrc@4ax.com...
>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:07:09 -0500, in sci.electronics.repair,
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> bloviated:
>
>>I got a couple pair of glasses from Zenni. They seem fine to me. Gunner
>>Asch
>>has also mentioned being satisfied with Zenni.
>
>Gummy is also satisfied with Bush, Cheney, Iraq, the Economy, the
>Environment and using a saturday night special as a leather punch.
>
>
>Which makes him a star witness.

For devolution.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 6:56 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2D96C043C6someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> John Smith writes:
>
>> I was truly unaware such existed. Where are these people located?
>
> Hong Kong.
>
>> Have you done satisfactory business with them?
>
> Yep.
>
>> The product is good?
>
> Yep.

Please share your prescription with us.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 7:57 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2DA4021DDBsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...

> William Sommerwerck writes:

>> An optician puts a gadget over your eyes that lets them determine
>> where the pupils fall. The lenses are then ground with their optical
>> centers at those points.

> Please. The online offshore suppliers require your PD measurement
> for just this purpose.

Okay. How am I supposed to get it, if not from a local optician?

> Opticians don't "grind lenses" any more. They take a big stock lens for
> your Rx from an assortment on hand (itself likely an import from China),
> and trim the edges to fit the frame.

I assume you're kidding. Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
"stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens size &
shape, PD, prescription, etc? There probably aren't that many atoms in the
universe! <grin>

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 8:40 am
From: salty@dog.com

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:57:36 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9A2DA4021DDBsomeconundrum@216.196.97.131...
>
>> William Sommerwerck writes:
>
>>> An optician puts a gadget over your eyes that lets them determine
>>> where the pupils fall. The lenses are then ground with their optical
>>> centers at those points.
>
>> Please. The online offshore suppliers require your PD measurement
>> for just this purpose.
>
>Okay. How am I supposed to get it, if not from a local optician?
>
>
>> Opticians don't "grind lenses" any more. They take a big stock lens for
>> your Rx from an assortment on hand (itself likely an import from China),
>> and trim the edges to fit the frame.
>
>I assume you're kidding. Can you imagine how many millions of pre-ground
>"stock" lenses would be needed to every possible combination of lens size &
>shape, PD, prescription, etc? There probably aren't that many atoms in the
>universe! <grin>
>

He's not kidding. That's how all those "eyeglasses in a hour" places
do it. They stock an assortment of ready made lenses. The "blank"
lenses are large circles. They simply cut them to fit the frames you
picked out. The size, shape, and PD are irrelevent, as they cut from
the large blank which has it's optical center in the center.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 6:33 am
From: kandan24@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Caution: Cheap Candles are Dangerous, Carcinogenic
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f0cc7cd66e5105ee?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 8:07 am
From: Dave

We love candles around our house, especially my wife. She buys new
ones every week-- large or small, and scented with everything from a
clean pine scent (my favorite) to cherry or pomegranate. We enjoy them
every evening as we wind down from a busy day.

But -- it really hit home last night how dangerous some candles are,
and what a health hazard they can be.

We have some cheap gold candles that must have been painted on the
outside to give them a glittery appearance. When my wife blew them
out and we went to bed, one of them continued to smolder for half an
hour in the dark, without a flame but with the wick still red and
smoke pouring into the room. When I went out later to see what the
smell was, the entire house was filled with paraffin smoke. This
little 99¢ candle had trashed our living room.

When I began to investigate paraffin smoke and its ingredients, I
found out why my wife and I should have checked into a hotel last
night instead of lying there breathing that disgusting air. Did you
know that candles throw out as many as 11 different carcinogens? It's
not only after you blow them out, but the entire time they are lit you
are experiencing a steady stream of these compounds, generally due to
the petroleum-based wax used to produce the candle. This wax is mixed
with synthetic fragrance that in most cases is not even meant to be
burned. Many candles have chemical fixatives added to them, synthetic
glosses or "paints" as our candle had, and more.

In fact, candle ingredients are not even listed on the package,
despite the fact that anyone within range inhales those ingredients
when it is lit. There are so few regulations that a candle listed as
"beeswax" can still have petroleum paraffin as an ingredient. Some
wicks even have small amounts of lead in their core to help them burn
just right, and no one regulates the amount of lead that gets inhaled
during those romantic, candlelit nights. Candles seem to have bypassed
the regulatory agencies in most countries, probably because many of
them are purely decorative and never meant to be lit.

My advice is to stick to quality brands of plant-based wax, such as
"soy" candles. And any candle, when it is extinguished, needs to be
covered for some time in order to trap those huge volumes of smoky
carcinogens that are released when the candle is blown out!

Dave

Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 22 2008 9:02 am
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>We love candles
>

Back again to spam your sham blog?

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