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* Companies packaging cleansers, other deadly chemicals in bottles that look
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TOPIC: Companies packaging cleansers, other deadly chemicals in bottles that
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 12:37 am
From: balanco01@yahoo.com

On Jul 2, 6:11 am, tmcl...@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jul 2, 5:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
>
> > Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
>
> > Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> > warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> > Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> > important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> > colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> > poisons and the foods they can look like.
>
> And in other news, water is wet. I'm so sick of this "foam pad the
> world"
> mentality.

No one is saying foam the world. Or maybe you would rather rat poison
look like candy bars, or
ammonia look like juice pack of lemonade?

> Some moronic mistakes should be fatal, preferably before
> the

Yes, because we all know you are Mr Perfect %100 of the time.

> deceased has had a chance to add more "stupid" to the gene pool. We
> have
> enough of that already.

Or maybe companies should stop being so damn cheap, and pack
dangerous substances in packaging that would not be mistaken for food
or drink, esp by kids.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 12:46 am
From: balanco01@yahoo.com

On Jul 2, 2:01 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
>
> > Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
>
> > Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> > warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> > Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> > important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> > colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> > poisons and the foods they can look like.
>
> Although this is a valid concern, I'm wondering how big a factor it is
> whether the packaging is the same for beverages vs cleaning products

I know I almost mistook cleaning fluids as a drink a couple times in
my life (thankfully, I always check the
container before consuming whats in it). In fact, I have a bottle of
"generic Pine-Sol" cleaner right now that looks
exactly like a sports drink; if it weren't for the label people would
think it was.

I imagine there were plenty of incidents where someone was busy, or
otherwise distracted, and reached for a container that looks like it's
holding food, and accidentally took a mouthful of the dangerous non-
food contents inside.

> (or poisons). I'm more concerned about labeling that could be
> ambiguous or written in a language that isn't understood.

Or worse,a kid who can't read yet takes a hold of the product.

> Additionally, I have seen in some stores where non-food items are
> merchandised near food aisles.
> Back to the lamp oil death though. "Who" would mistake the taste/
> texture of "lamp oil" for cranberry juice? Seems a bit fishy to me.

The person might have lost their sense of taste or smell

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 1:43 am
From: "nospam"

<balanco01@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ef42e24a-d6b9-4b26-8900-47763adf3200@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 2, 2:01 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 2:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
> >
> > > Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
> >
> > > Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> > > warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> > > Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> > > important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> > > colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> > > poisons and the foods they can look like.
> >
> > Although this is a valid concern, I'm wondering how big a factor it is
> > whether the packaging is the same for beverages vs cleaning products
>
> I know I almost mistook cleaning fluids as a drink a couple times in
> my life (thankfully, I always check the
> container before consuming whats in it). In fact, I have a bottle of
> "generic Pine-Sol" cleaner right now that looks
> exactly like a sports drink; if it weren't for the label people would
> think it was.
>
> I imagine there were plenty of incidents where someone was busy, or
> otherwise distracted, and reached for a container that looks like it's
> holding food, and accidentally took a mouthful of the dangerous non-
> food contents inside.
>
> > (or poisons). I'm more concerned about labeling that could be
> > ambiguous or written in a language that isn't understood.
>
> Or worse,a kid who can't read yet takes a hold of the product.
>
> > Additionally, I have seen in some stores where non-food items are
> > merchandised near food aisles.
> > Back to the lamp oil death though. "Who" would mistake the taste/
> > texture of "lamp oil" for cranberry juice? Seems a bit fishy to me.
>
> The person might have lost their sense of taste or smell

If you aren't careful about what you're putting in your mouth,
it's not my job to protect you from natural selection. And it's
certainly not the government's job.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 6:46 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jul 3, 4:43 am, "nospam" <nos...@comcast.invalid.net> wrote:

>
> > The person might have lost their sense of taste or smell
>
> If you aren't careful about what you're putting in your mouth,
> it's not my job to protect you from natural selection. And it's
> certainly not the government's job.- Hide quoted text -
>

Bing, bing, bing, we have a winner. Any person, child or adult, who
can't
read a label should not be left alone unsupervised. Any person who
confuses
a sports drink from the fridge with a cleaning product from the
cabinet
under the sink needs a visit from Uncle Chuck (Darwin).

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TOPIC: Ebay limits who can view your listing now?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:05 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I just logged into my Ebay account, and saw an ad "UK for 5c", implying
that now you can pay extra so that people who aren't in the USA will see
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Is this for real?

I've always thought that listings could be searched by anyone across the
globe. Now they are saying that is something we have to pay extra for?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:05 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I just logged into my Ebay account, and saw an ad "UK for 5c", implying
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Is this for real?

I've always thought that listings could be searched by anyone across the
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 4:23 am
From: Meghan Noecker

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:05:25 -0500, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> I just logged into my Ebay account, and saw an ad "UK for 5c", implying
>that now you can pay extra so that people who aren't in the USA will see
>your listing.
>
> Is this for real?
>
> I've always thought that listings could be searched by anyone across the
>globe. Now they are saying that is something we have to pay extra for?
>

People in the UK can look at the American ads. But that there is also
a UK listing section (and European, etc). Just like Amazon.com has a
seperate website for the UK version. Paying the extra fee would simply
get your ad posted in that section as well. If you aren't looking to
sell your stuff overseas, then it wouldn't be worth it. If you have
something that you think would sell well there, it might be worth a
shot.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:04 am
From: Dee

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in news:g4dn34$lnk$2@aioe.org:

> So, I'm looking for a good deal on a recent version of Microsoft
> Word, or
> Microsoft Office. We will need to install it on 3 computers (2
> desktops, and 1 laptop) So far, this appears to be the best deal
> I can find:
>
> http://www.superdealsoftware.com/product_special_detail.php?s=1&id=
> 211 $131 shipped for a 3 computer license and media, Office 2007
> home and student
>
> Can anyone suggest a better deal, or should I pull the trigger
> on this?

Earlier versions of MS Office will work just as well (maybe better -
some people don't like Office 2007). I have Office 2000 and it is
fine. I used it on my Win98 machine up until last month when I
transferred it over to my new WinXP system. On eBay it looks like it's
selling for $30-$70.

Dee

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 10:57 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 3, 5:04 am, Dee <d...@d.d> wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote innews:g4dn34$lnk$2@aioe.org:
>
> > So, I'm looking for a good deal on a recent version of Microsoft
> > Word, or
> > Microsoft Office. We will need to install it on 3 computers (2
> > desktops, and 1 laptop) So far, this appears to be the best deal
> > I can find:
>
> >http://www.superdealsoftware.com/product_special_detail.php?s=1&id=
> > 211 $131 shipped for a 3 computer license and media, Office 2007
> > home and student
>
> > Can anyone suggest a better deal, or should I pull the trigger
> > on this?
>
> Earlier versions of MS Office will work just as well (maybe better -
> some people don't like Office 2007). I have Office 2000 and it is
> fine. I used it on my Win98 machine up until last month when I
> transferred it over to my new WinXP system. On eBay it looks like it's
> selling for $30-$70.
>
> Dee

I still have copies of Office starting from 97 up to 2007; the
companies I've worked for over the past 10 years have all had
"employee deals" where we could get Office anywhere from free to $30.
I even found an Office suite for Mac at the thrift store a couple of
weeks ago for $4. As my latest challenge is reviving recently adopted
iMac G3's...that was a very cool find, indeed.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 7:22 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I don't usually ask others for stock advice, but thought it would be fun
to see what others out there think right now. I'm in a position to pick a
couple of stocks as investments in my IRA, and I like to use a value
approach. In other words, I look for companies that are currently out of
favor, or that the market has sold off more than would seem to be warranted,
given long term prospects for the company.

I just loaded up on a couple of inexpensive big pharma stocks, and would
like to balance those out with stocks from other sectors. Anyone have any
suggestions for an undervalued stock that is likely to bounce back at least
20% over the next couple of years? (preferably one with little or no debt,
and a stock price that is less than 10x cash flow)

Thanks!

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 8:04 am
From: clams_casino

OhioGuy wrote:

> I don't usually ask others for stock advice, but thought it would be fun
>to see what others out there think right now. I'm in a position to pick a
>couple of stocks as investments in my IRA, and I like to use a value
>approach. In other words, I look for companies that are currently out of
>favor, or that the market has sold off more than would seem to be warranted,
>given long term prospects for the company.
>
> I just loaded up on a couple of inexpensive big pharma stocks, and would
>like to balance those out with stocks from other sectors. Anyone have any
>suggestions for an undervalued stock that is likely to bounce back at least
>20% over the next couple of years? (preferably one with little or no debt,
>and a stock price that is less than 10x cash flow)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
This is a great time to swap traditional IRA funds into Roth funds -
provided the funds don't move you into a higher tax bracket.

Any rebound (ah, actually growth, since the market has been essentially
flat since the day GW took office) will be tax free.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 1:52 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:22:34 -0500, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> I don't usually ask others for stock advice, but thought it would be fun
>to see what others out there think right now. I'm in a position to pick a
>couple of stocks as investments in my IRA, and I like to use a value
>approach. In other words, I look for companies that are currently out of
>favor, or that the market has sold off more than would seem to be warranted,
>given long term prospects for the company.
>
> I just loaded up on a couple of inexpensive big pharma stocks, and would
>like to balance those out with stocks from other sectors. Anyone have any
>suggestions for an undervalued stock that is likely to bounce back at least
>20% over the next couple of years? (preferably one with little or no debt,
>and a stock price that is less than 10x cash flow)
>
> Thanks!
>

GM

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 3:00 pm
From: "Dave"

> GM

Dude, he didn't ask the most frugal way to lose money quickly. -Dave

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 8:52 am
From: "OhioGuy"

>Your best investment with solar is thermal used to offset >heating and hot
>water

I second that, especially if you don't live in the Southwest, or if you
live anywhere that has numerous cloudy days.

Due to the higher efficiency of solar water heating panels, you can get
good returns even in places like Ohio, where solar panels don't make much
sense. (at current efficiency ratings anyway) Even on cloudy days, there is
often enough solar radiant energy to heat water for showers, etc.

Of course, the very best way to make an investment that pays for itself
is to build an underground or earth banked house. This gives you passive
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case of an earth banked house, it can also be relatively inexpensive, since
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 8:00 am
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Wouldnt change a thing even if you did attempt that.
>>>
>> I love you, too.
>>
>> Marsha <----SMOOCHIES TO ROD
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
Guess who forgot to take his meds today.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 9:36 am
From: "MarieD"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6d2m94Fhs9vU1@mid.individual.net...
> And plenty of pets whose owners dont give a damn
> about fireworks or anything else are afraid of fireworks.

One of my labs is terrified of thunder or thunder-like noises. We don't
react to them, of course, but she still reacts. She was like this when she
showed up at our house. She's not unlearning the fear, either, as I had
hoped. I end up having to cuddle her in my lap as she is shivering and
whining.
Marie

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 3:30 pm
From: Stan Brown

Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:47:20 -0400 from JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net>:
> h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message news:g4g11j$9ld$1@aioe.org...
> > Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>
> I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at
least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more
than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low
40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

--
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:28 pm
From: Marsha

Rod Speed wrote:
> Wouldnt change a thing even if you did attempt that.
>

I love you, too.

Marsha <----SMOOCHIES TO ROD

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 9:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Wouldnt change a thing even if you did attempt that.
>>
>
> I love you, too.
>
> Marsha <----SMOOCHIES TO ROD

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:42 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:g4g76q$lf1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>
>>>
>>
>> Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>
> Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
> of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

Or you can wear a sweater and be fine.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:44 pm
From: "Bob F"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:wgOak.6927$3q7.1622@newsfe15.lga...

> He's either the newest roll to the group or the dumbest poster yet (beating
> even Rod).

Not a chance!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:46 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:g4h704$c0j$3@news.datemas.de...
> Lou wrote:
>> I've read that an adult male, resting and nude, can die of exposure at 80F.
>> It isn't only a matter of temperature - the amount of clothing and activity,
>> among other things, play a big role as well.
>>
>
> Which is why nursing homes keep the temp so freaking high.
>

They have a problem with adult males, resting and nude, dieing?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:47 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message news:g4g11j$9ld$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
> news:g4fvng$b8m$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >
> > "Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:6d1dc7FbbjqU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
> >>
> >> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two
families
> >> into one house. Then each pays half.
> >
> > How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at
least
> > 55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?
> >
>
> Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter. With age (69) and
disability/mobility problems increasing - just can't take the 58 I had it at
a few years ago. I do layer clothing and frequently wear a knit hat. My
very old home (pre 1850) has been insulated as much as possible - other than
building a stud wall on the inside of the walls (vertical thick plank walls)
can't do much more.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
>
>

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Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:48 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Miller" <phillyfrog04@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Must Read Book:
>
> "Will The Next Liar Please Stand Up"
>
> http://www.SoupNaziSecrets.com/ng2.html
>

That book is really stupid.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 9:48 pm
From: Greg Carr

On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, Lars Rune Nøstdal <larsnost...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ..what does this junk have to do with Common Lisp?
Go away.

Fair enough. The topic started with OFF-TOPIC in bold letters. You
could have chosen not to read it. Just thought ppl might be interested
in organized crime censoring Google Groups. Guess you don't care.

2008-06-30 at 08:46 +0000, Greg Carr wrote:
> > It has come to my attention that my original post MrGordon Sauck
> > Replies To Me By Email And Admits To Being A Police Agent has
> > disappeared from Google Groups.
>
> > But is archived here and other places on the web
> >http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=152681
>
> > Regular readers of my posts know that HAMC can censor Google Groups
> > from time to time and since they can intimidate the courts, cops and
> > judiciary from time to time as well as the media and/or bribe them
> > and/or confuse them a major corporation isn't much of a stretch. Heck
> > the Mafia once extorted money from a NYSE listed company in fact two
> > of them from the top 500. I will try to get Google Groups to re-list
> > it. They should be ashamed of themselves.
>
> > Thanks to anyone who like in the past can get Google Groups to restore
> > the original post.
>
> > Return-Path: <go...@iavscanada.com>
> > Authentication-Results: mta141.mail.re1.yahoo.com
> > from=iavscanada.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
> > Received: from 24.207.1.250 (EHLO mx.dccnet.com) (24.207.1.250) by
> > mta141.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:57 -0700
> > Received: from INNOAUDIOWS1 (unverified [24.207.48.215]) by
> > mx.dccnet.com (DCCNet Email Cluster2) with ESMTP id 266532922-1865385
> > for <gregpc...@yahoo.ca>; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:55 -0700
> > Return-Path: <go...@iavscanada.com>
> > Reply-To: <go...@iavscanada.com>
> > From: "Gordon" <go...@iavscanada.com> Add sender to Contacts
> > To: <gregpc...@yahoo.ca>
> > Subject: Gordon Sauckand Delta Police Files 08-6625 & 08-11000
>
> > (Greg-I have no knowledge of these police files and haven't spoken to
> > Delta police in over a year.)
>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:47 -0700
> > Organization: Innovative Audio
> > Message-ID: <000501c8cb4b$4ed9a010$6701a8c0@INNOAUDIOWS1>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C8CB10.A27AC810"
> > Importance: Normal
> > Content-Length: 7722
>
> > Mr. Gregory Paul Carr; I am writing this to you in accordance to a
> > Delta Police request as they are investigating two files opened by me
> > in regards to numerous postings by you and subsequent vandalism near
> > my place of business.
>
> > (Greg-You are now acting as a police agent. I do not think it would be
> > wise of me to contact you by email or talk to you without a lawyer
> > present.)
>
> > You have obviously mistaken me for someone else. I did in fact
> > purchase the home at 11147 Huff Blvd from Wayne and Janet Zaiser in
> > 2002 but up until that point I did not know them, nor ever met them
> > before.
>
> > (Greg-
>
> >http://groups.google.ca/group/van.general/browse_frm/thread/2dc3eb047...
> > is a post by someone using your nickname. You admit on your own
> > website to replying to me and since you didn't write me a letter or
> > email me it must be this USENET post. You claimed to have written me a
> > letter yet how would you know my address if you didn't know me. Fact
> > is you are a liar. You never wrote me a letter and if you have my
> > address it is from your HA buddies.)
>
> > For those who read and follow these postings, allow me to introduce
> > myself. My name isGordon Sauck. I am the person that has been drawn
> > into Greg Carrs web of lies,
>
> > (Greg-I never lie. You are the liar.) deciet (Greg- That is you not me
> > and you spelled it wrong.) and out and out slandering. (Greg-Actually
> > stupid it is libel you should be claiming not slander. You are
> > libeling me and according to your own post slandering me. If a lawyer
> > wants to contact me about this for the purpose of suing Mr.Sauck
> > please do so.) For
> > those who want the absolute truth in what is really going on, allow me
> > to describe the past four years;
> > We purchased the house on 11147 Huff Blvd from Wayne and Janet Zaiser,
> > who then moved to Boundry (Greg- You spelled that wrong it is in fact
> > Boundary.) Park in Surrey. Micheal had apparently moved
> > out 6 months prior.
>
> > We moved into this home on June 28th, 2002.
> > from that day forward we have received large quantities of mail for
> > all
> > the Zaisers, including mail for Micheal.
>
> > (Greg-Other ppl claim that Michael doesn't exist. In fact Mike Zaiser
> > is just a Wayne Zaiser phony name.)
>
> > In October of that year, Delta
> > police arrived at our home to arrest Micheal. we were at that time
> > informed that he has had a long history with the police and that have
> > a
> > file on him 'an inch thick'.
>
> > In February 2003 our house was badly vandalized by person(s) unknown.
> > In March of 2003 our vehicles were damaged by vandals unknown.
>
> > (Greg-You seem to like mentioning police file numbers so what are the
> > file numbers for these incidents?)
>
> > I am the owner of Innovative Audio / Visual Solutions located at 11966
> > 64th Ave in Delta. I started this business as a hobby in my home on
> > Huff Blvd and decided to take a chance at a dream.
>
> > (Greg-Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions (IAVS) has been in business
> > providing exceptional service to clients since 2000. That is from
> >http://www.iavscanada.com/profile.htmwhich is the website ofGordon> Sauck. Yet Sauck claims to have started the business from his home on
> > Huff Blvd. which he also claims not have had any knowledge about until
> > two yrs later. Which is true or are they both lies?)
>
> > So with what 'Greg Carr' is doing is condemming (Greg- Use a spelling
> > checker and a fact checker and a lie remover. The word is condemning.)
> > me, my family and my
> > business because he simply cannot check out the facts before writing
> > this garbage.
>
> > (Greg-In my opinion you are the person guilty of posting garbage. I
> > will let the readers decide.)
>
> > It's interesting to note that my name has never appeared before at
> > anytime involved with anything dealing with questionable groups before
> > moving into this home.
>
> > (Greg-Lie. You are on the record of supporting the removal of a
> > competitor to the Sundowner Pub a company that you have business
> > dealings with. When you lobbied for this pub competitor to be
> > eliminated you never mentioned any business interests concerned with
> > it. IAVS the company you admit owning is located next to the Sundowner
> > Pub in the same building. It is a very cozy relationship. You have
> > never received any publicity about anything bad that is true but nor
> > have you received any publicity about anything good.
>
> >http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/32nd4th/32p_04s_820420a.htmshows the
> > granting of the license was controversial. I used to work at the
> > Knight St Pub which also obtained its license through illegal means
> > and was subsequently closed. This seems to be a similar situation
> > although the Toigo family are much more successful businessmen than
> > the ppl involved in this and have no ties to organized crime.)
>
> > I have written a letter to this Greg Carr
>
> > (Greg- Yet another lie. I never have received a letter from this
> > person and I'm curious as to how he would find out my address to even
> > attempt such a thing.)
>
> > and hope that he is man
> > enough to take the time to realize his mistakes. I am not asking for
> > anything else but an apology and to be left alone.
>
> > (Greg-How convenient you want to be part of a crime gang namely HA it
> > seems but you want to be left alone. You seem to have trouble making
> > up your mind since now you are saying you don't want an apology when
> > previously you did.)
>
> > I am not retired, it
> > was my father who is at this same meeting.
>
> > (Greg-Get him to say so publicly. In any case you are claiming your
> > Dad advocated for closing a bar that is in competition to one you have
> > business ties to and that your business is located next to and he
> > never told Delta Council about this conflict of interest. Sleazy at
> > best and totally dishonest.)
>
> > I would have hoped that Carr
> > would have at least given people all the right facts.
>
> > (Greg-I from time to time admit making mistakes usu. caused by
> > insomnia. I don't lie. You seem
> > to be a liar and a person who makes mistakes.)
>
> > I simply want this to stop before someone takes this seriously and
> > someone gets hurt.
>
> > (Greg-The someone might be you and your family Mr.Sauck. I consider
> > this matter to be quite serious and now with the passage of time so do
> > you. Guess all the media attention about organized crime is bothering
> > you ppl.)
>
> > Is this too much to ask?
>
> > Mr. Carr has provided everyone with all my contact numbers and
> > address's. I would be more than happy to clear this up with whoever
> > wants the truth. I wonder if Mr. Carr would do the same?
>
> > (Greg-You are a liar and you can expect a lot more contact by truth
> > seekers.)
>
> >Gordon Sauck
>
> > Greg Carr wrote:
> > > Jason Dussault, Mashiah Vaughn (fiancee of Jason) Swollen Members (Mad
> > > Child and Prevail) and Cory Leem held a send off for their Deuce
> > > clothing line on the 13th day of the seventh month this year. Amazingly
> > > enough this HA front company did it as a benefit for the Canuck Place
> > > children's hospice. Those porno selling kiddie diddlers must have got a
> > > kick out of that.
>
> > Swollen Members: Moka Only (born Daniel Denton) known to still hang on
> > E.Hastings in the early morning hrs which gives him street cred. Mad
> > Child (Shane Bunting), Prevail (Kiley Hendriks).
>
> > > The Swollen Members live at 3598 E.Georgia St, Vancouver which is a
> > > Hell's Angels clubhouse.
>
> > >http://www.iavscanada.com/contact.htm
> > > Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions - IAVS Canada
> > > formerly of
> > > 11147 Huff Blvd.
> > > Delta, BC, Canada V4E2E9
> > > Office: (604) 594-9575
> > > Cell: (604) 789-7115
> > > Fax: (604) 594-7120
> > > Email: i...@iavscanada.com
> > > URL:www.iavscanada.comhas done work for Orca Bay as well and has
> > > links to HAMC.
>
> > > They are now doing business at:
> > > Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions Ltd.
> > > 11966 64 Ave
> > > Delta, BC V4E 1C8
> > > Telephone: (604) 594-9575
> > > Fax: (604) 594-9573
> > > Fax: 604-594-7115
> > > iavscan...@dccnet.com
> > > Unlike other HA businesses this one is actually a part of the BBB.
> > >http://www.bbbvan.org/commonreport.html?bid=1225179&code=&header=N&fax=Y
>
> > > Dussault is an independent advisor linked to the Seycove Investor
> > > Relations firm. The shirts his firm sells are retailing for $150 each
> > > in Gastown and Kits.
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/bc.general/tree/browse_frm/month/2004-...
> > > Wayne Zaiser (WJ) Born:November 8 1950 aka:Mike
> > > 125-12044 Boundary Dr S
> > > Surrey, BC V3X 2B4
> > > (604) 594-1255
> > > Also has a property in Delta at 11147 Huff Blvd. Has a daughter not
> > > involved in prostitution named Wendy. Wife is named Janet. Drives
> > > various vehicles including Brown 93 Honda DRV-274 and also uses the
> > > plate 793-FGG. He has the use of a number of other
> > > HA vehicles as well. Will chicken out of any physical confrontation
> > > until he can get HA backup. Doesn't carry weapons and will do just
> > > about anything to avoid a fight. Has ongoing financial problems.
>
> > > Was involved in the Colleen Ryder disappearance in Surrey and has
> > > links to Hell's Angels in Alberta. Frequently in contact with an HAMC
> > > member named Terry who drives a red corvette among other things.
>
> > > President of the Hibernian Golf Society
> > >http://www.hiberniangolfclub.com/
>
> > >http://www.iavscanada.com/contact.htmdoes business from his Delta
> > > property.
> > > Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions - IAVS Canada
> > > 11147 Huff Blvd.
> > > Delta, BC, Canada V4E2E9
> > > Office: (604) 594-9575
> > > Cell: (604) 789-7115
> > > Fax: (604) 594-7120
> > > Email: i...@iavscanada.com
> > > URL:www.iavscanada.com
> > > Nobody ever said that HAMC shirked when it came to electronics.
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > (When Michael Mickle the President of the Nanaimo chapter disappeared
> > > his cell phone call for help was jammed, an HA specialty)
>
> > > According to govt documents the home that Zaiser lives in is also the
> > > home of aGordon Sauck.
>
> > >http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:NLqHTnhYot0J:www.corp.delta.bc.ca/...
> > >Gordon Sauck11147 Huff Blvd (Resident) Has lived in North Delta for 23
> > > years. Interested in development in this area. He wants Cheers gone as
> > > it is an eye sore. He is concerned about traffic. When large buildings
> > > are brought into communities he feels that the the community starts to
> > > degenerate, families do not want to live in the shadow of this, and
> > > traffic will be worse. What can be done to prevent this from happening?
> > > He is voting no to this development on behalf of his family.
>
> > > (What a hypocrite. Communities corrode because of the drug dealing and
> > > crime caused by his HA buddies. His company also does work for a
> > > competitor of Cheers, the Sundowner Pub, which this individual
> > > neglected to mention. This is typical of what sometimes happens when
> > > some new competitor attempts to compete with an existing bar. Ppl will
> > > come forward with objections, seemingly with no ties to the existing
> > > bar industry in order to stifle competition. For example the Rivers Reach Pub in New West was strongly oppossed by existing bars when it applied for a license
> > including the College Place Hotel which is now defunct.)
>
> > >Gordon Sauck11147 Huff Blvd (Resident) This is now the sixth meeting.
> > > He is retired; this is their home and have had great pains to become a
> > > community. The North Delta Inn is small scale that has already drifted
> > > down
> > > Page 6
> > > Public Information Meeting April 12, 2006 re OCP Amendment Application
> > > at 11920 - 70 Avenue and 6950 Nicholson Road (North Delta Inn) 6to the
> > > point it is now. Now asking for this on a larger scale.
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >http://www.iavscanada.com/profile.htmhas a picture ofGordon Sauck. I
> > > wonder what made him come out of retirement?? Seems rather young to
> > > retire, a Hell's Angel business success story! I wonder how a soft guy
> > > like that can hold onto his money in the underworld of crime? Why would
> > > Sauck lie to Delta Municipality about being retired? His business was
> > > started in 2000.
>
> > >http://www.iavscanada.com/clients.htmshows the Sundowner Pub to be a
> > > client but the hypocrite calls Cheers an eyesore.
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >http://sec.edgar-online.com/2002/04/23/0001096350-02-000067/Section15...
> > > has a lot of info about a Mr. Jason Dussault. He invested in a company
> > > that was audited by Manning Elliott. The same Manning Elliot who broke
> > > ties with Toma Technologiesa few days ago after the Vancouver Sun
> > > revealed that Tony (Anthony) Pires of the Hell's Angels was a
> > > shareholder.
>
> > Wayne and Janet Zaiser had moved out of the home completely before we
> > moved in.You believe that I am involved in HA. I am not. Like you, I
> > believe that gangs and criminals should be dealt with according to the
> > law. I am asking you to stop in your posts as they are affecting my
> > family. I am asking you this man to man. I have seen from other posts
> > that there are very disturbed people that want to harm, if not kill
> > you.
>
> > (Greg-Seems odd that the Delta Police have done nothing about these
> > ppl who are committing criminal acts or any other police agency such
> > as the GRC. If you know this and as you typed above this is sent at
> > the request of Delta Police it would seem to be a dereliction of duty
> > for them not to do so.)
>
> > I do not want my name nor my family to be involved in this. You
> > have posted numerous items with respect to my personel (Greg-The word
> > you want is personal. Drugs and alcohol ruining your education?)
> > information and
> > misinformation and I want it stopped, now.
>
> > (Greg-No. You have posted various things about me. If it makes you
> > feel better this is not a priority for me. It is interesting that the
> > last person who wanted to discuss things man to man with me was Mike
> > Poirier another HA gang member who went straight to the police. In
> > that
> > case the Vancouver Police Department hid exculpatory evidence of his
> > assault on me ( a picture of a footprint on my chest) and subsequent
> > theft of my personal belongings by a VPD
> > officer #2231. I was threatened with rape by four individuals in full
> > view of VPD officers and BC Corrections and it was caught on tape and
> > they did nothing to stop it or give any rebuke to them. They also
> > tried to cause trouble by taking me out of my cell at the same time as
> > a HA full patch down the hall but it didn't work.)
>
> > I cannot stress enough the importance of you understanding that a
> > mistake has been made. I am not asking for an apology,
>
> > (Greg-Since you won't get one.)
>
> > nor am I asking you to cease in your postings about criminal
> > activities. I simply need you to understand that I have not ever been
> > involved with, nor have any desire to be involved with any criminal
> > organization. I have worked too long and have invested too much to
> > throw it all away on something that stupid. I am asking you again to
> > stop with these postings. During the last week I have had 4 people
> > come into our store looking for any information about you and your
> > whereabouts.
>
> > (Greg-You have claimed in the past to know my address. Whether you
> > chose to give it out is your own business. Can your Dad take a punch
> > to the head any better than my dad? It is beyond me how anyone who
> > really cared to find me couldn't do so. I have a job, a credit history
> > and hundreds of ppl if not more know me personally. )
>
> > This I believe has gone too far. If you continue with your postings
> > against both myself and my business, I will have no other options but
> > to press charges against you in order for you to stop.
>
> > (Greg-Too bad. I don't like missing time from work to go to court. It
> > is up to the Crown to press charges not you. My lawyer will be able to
> > ask you questions on the stand. Your ability to lie doesn't impress
> > me. I will not be required to testify.)
>
> > can be reached at all the numbers you have posted if you want to talk
> > to me man to man.
>
> > (Greg-I have no interest in talking to some puffy liar.)
>
> > I have no problems with that and hope that you will realize that I am
> > not who you have portrayed. With that, I wish you all the best and
> > hope we can put this behind us.Gordon SauckInnovative
> > Audio604-594-9575 (o)604-594-9573
> > (f)www.iavscanada.comgo...@iavscanada.com
>
> > (Greg-Stop sending me email and it might just happen. Despite what
> > your police handlers might have told you the longest a restraining
> > order will work for is two yrs.)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This is the original email without any comment:
>
> > Subject: Gordon Sauckand Delta Police Files 08-6625 & 08-11000
> > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:47 -0700
> > Organization: Innovative Audio
> > Message-ID: <000501c8cb4b$4ed9a010$6701a8c0@INNOAUDIOWS1>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C8CB10.A27AC810"
> > Importance: Normal
> > Content-Length: 7722
>
> > Mr. Gregory Paul Carr; I am writing this to you in accordance to a
> > Delta Police request as they are investigating two files opened by me
> > in regards to numerous postings by you and subsequent vandalism near
> > my place of business.You have obviously mistaken me for someone else.
> > I did in fact purchase the home at 11147 Huff Blvd from Wayne and
> > Janet Zaiser in 2002 but up until that point I did not know them, nor
> > ever met them before. Wayne and Janet Zaiser had moved out of the home
> > completely before we moved in.You believe that I am involved in HA. I
> > am not. Like you, I believe that gangs and criminals should be dealt
> > with according to the law. I am asking you to stop in your posts as
> > they are affecting my family. I am asking you this man to man. I have
> > seen from other posts that there are very disturbed people that want
> > to harm, if not kill you. I do not want my name nor my family to be
> > involved in this. You have posted numerous items with respect to my
> > personel information and misinformation and I want it stopped, now. I
> > cannot stress enough the importance of you understanding that a
> > mistake has been made. I am not asking for an apology, nor am I asking
> > you to cease in your postings about criminal activities. I simply need
> > you to understand that I have not ever been involved with, nor have
> > any desire to be involved with any criminal organization. I have
> > worked too long and have invested too much to throw it all away on
> > something that stupid. I am asking you again to stop with these
> > postings. During the last week I have had 4 people come into our store
> > looking for any information about you and your whereabouts. This I
> > believe has gone too far. If you continue with your postings against
> > both myself and my business, I will have no other options but to press
> > charges against you in order for you to stop. I can be reached at all
> > the numbers you have posted if you want to talk to me man to man. I
> > have no problems with that and hope that you will realize that I am
> > not who you have portrayed. With that, I wish you all the best and
> > hope we can put this behind us.Gordon SauckInnovative
> > Audio604-594-9575 (o)604-594-9573
> > (f)www.iavscanada.comgo...@iavscanada.com
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >http://www.iavscanada.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=37Mr Sauck has
> > put this on his website. The only reply to it has been negative.
>
> > This is a very difficult topic but I truly feel the time has come to
> > clear the air. When you 'Google' my name (Gordon Sauck), you will find
> > numerous postings referring to me as a 'criminal' and having ties to
> > HA (Hells Angels). The person posting these stories is named 'Greg
> > Carr'. I do not, nor have ever met Greg Carr. Mr. Carr is basing these
> > allegations solely on the premise that the home I purchased in 2002
> > was previously owned by someone Mr. Carr simply does not like. That's
> > it, that's my crime.
> > Every other allegation is simply fictional.
>
> > (Greg-Total lie.)
>
> > I do not own a motorcycle, nor even have a motorcycle license.
> > A criminal background check shows that I have held numerous Private
> > Investigators and Securities licenses but absolutely no convictions of
> > any crime whatsoever.
>
> > (Greg-Good for you but why wouldn't you post the criminal record
> > check? I admit to having a criminal record but I never have any
> > trouble being bonded and I am not a criminal. I tithe ten percent of
> > my income and donate blood.)
>
> > My home and vehicles have been vandalized twice during the first year
> > of owning my new home.
> > My name has NEVER been associated with HA until Mr. Carr's postings.
> > I am not 'retired'; my father however is and is also a Delta resident.
> > I was hired to compile a 'sports video' for Save-on-foods for a
> > fund-raising event hence my 'ties' to Orca Bay.
>
> > (Greg-Your old website made it seem like a lot more than that :-) The
> > record from Delta council gives the address ofGordon Sauckas 11477
> > Huff Blvd. which is your address.)
>
> > Yes I did do work for the Sundowner Pub. This included upgrading their
> > sound system and installing a few televisions.
>
> > (Greg-Your business is located right next to it.)
>
> > A few phone calls would also reveal that we do repairs for the Cheers
> > sound equipment for the past two years.
>
> > (Greg-Your Dad tries to get them closed down as an eyesore and yet
> > they do business with you. Go figure.)
>
> > I deal with Vintage Audio - not cell phones. If I could afford
> > 'jamming' technology I would indeed be retired and living on a plush
> > island somewhere in the south.
> > The 'Goldenhawk' project is solely owned by Randy Pierce. We were
> > going to do some filming for a documentary on this project but due to
> > time constraints and store demands we have declined. It was an honor
> > however to be asked.
>
> > (Greg-The BUB-Lucky 7 is the fastest motorcycle in the world at 350
> > MPH. The Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusha is the fastest production bike at
> > 194 MPH.)
>
> > It is true that I responded to one of Mr. Carr's missives a year or so
> > back but to no avail.
>
> > (Greg-I have posted the link to that reply above.)
>
> > As for the name 'SirBryxx'? I have used this name since MIRC days when
> > I, like others, used to hop on chat rooms. It was simply 'Bryxx' (a
> > name I got from a cleaning agent bottle) until someone decided that we
> > should all be 'knighted' during a night of merriment. Hence, the name.
>
> > As stated, my 'crime' here is simple; I bought a house to raise my
> > family.
>
> > My goal here is to simply clear the air and state the facts. Google -
> > the company, will not remove these postings unless 'subpoenaed'. For
> > this to happen will take an estimated $10 - $15,000 in legal fees.
> > Needless to say, this is simply not going to happen.
>
> > Mr. Carr, your facts are wrong and I simply wish for you to realize
> > that before something serious happens that I have tried to set the
> > record straight. I am not asking for an apology, nor am I asking for
> > you to censor your opinions, I am asking that you realize that
> > sometimes spreading the wrong information can cause serious harm and
> > hardship on people who simply want to raise a family and enjoy life
> > with friends and family.
>
> > (Greg-Be nice not to believe the HA angle but the coincidences stink
> > and your lying leaves you with little credibility. Bryce aka Bryxx is
> > a well known HA name. In fact a chapter president. John Bryce is the
> > chapter President of the East End Chapter and his son Jonathan Sal
> > Bryce is doing six yrs in prison. He is good at electronics since he
> > is an surveillance system installer and studied electronics at BCIT
> >http://groups.google.fm/group/bc.general/msg/3ee043acd81c7869.
> > Mr.Zaiser went to school at Churchill High which of course is in the
> > east end of Vancouver. A Google Web search and Alta Vista search of
> > Bryxx +"cleaner" and "cleaning" shows no responses that indicate the
> > product you claim to have created your nick from exists.)
>
> > I can be reached at any time to answer any questions with regards to
> > this.
>
> > I hope this can finally help clear the air.
>
> > The following is my sig file.:
>
> > We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.
>
> > Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...
>
> > Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?
>
> > Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php
>
> > Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.
>
> > I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
> > but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-968 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email lowst...@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
> > 3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. John Reynolds still has a valid email lowst...@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.
>
> > I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.