Frugal Living: 08/01/2010

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d833df279e38cde8?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 9:53 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 30, 9:36 pm, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 4:36 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > [...]
>
> > >> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
>
> > and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> > the same is is not?
>
> > It is always in response to what is being said by someone else.
>
> Well no it's not actually, but more about that further down sinc you
> stated this multiple times.
>
> > Repetitive types like you only deserve repetition.
>
> Now you are accusing me, as you do TM, doing what you do ... recycling
> repetitious nonsense? You have often stated that you write to
> enlighten the readership. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion
> that repetition of nonsense is in any way enlightening.
>
> > Ever notice how TM just ends up
> > talking to himself. What does that tell you?
>
> It tells me that you read TM's posts and care and I don't. By the
> way, this is yet another example of you accusing TM of what you are
> guilty of, that is writing for yourself and talking to yourself. Well
> whatever floats your boat, I guess.
>
> > [...]
>
> > >> TM pretty much does what you set out to do, dominate the newsgroup
>
> > with a off-topic posts. He just appears to be better at it than you.
>
> > He is a fucking idiot
>
> You in your own words ... Name calling is just so infantile that I
> hate to do it even in retaliation.
>
> > and you are almost on his level yourself for thinking as you do.
>
> Opinion stated as fact.
>
> > If he is your ideal, then why not engage him - or is he even too
> > dumb for you?
>
> Logical fallacy, Non Sequitur, stating, as a conclusion, something
> that which does not strictly follow from the premise. In this
> particular instance, the premise (that TM is my ideal) is a figment of
> your imagination since I made no such statement, nor did I imply as
> much. Yep it does appear that you are actually jealous of TM's
> ability to dominate a newsgroup better than you ever could. You
> really need to get over this.
>
> > [...]
>
> > >> Sounds like you just painted a self-portrait, the only difference
>
> > being that you promise to go away, say your goodbyes over and over,
> > depart promising never to return but don't keep your promise. In the
> > final analysis, the end result is the same. You never go away
> > either. You two deserve one another. Enjoy!
>
> > I am a housekeeper.
>
> Send us a picture of you in your French maid outfit.
>
> By the way, do you have an identity crisis? You really need to decide
> what you are and why you're here. You wrote ... I am an equal
> opportunity annoyer. My only purpose in being on these confounded
> newsgroups is to rile others and make them as miserable as I am. I am
> merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create some
> mayhem. I am superfluous. Think of me as the buffoon of ARBR and you
> will not be far wrong.
>
> > Everyone else on Usenet is way too stupid for me to ever
> > engage on substance.
>
> Then why did you once write ... You can always count on me for a
> customized response because I respect my fellow man no matter how much
> I may disagree with him on specific issues? Why must you continue to
> contradict yourself? Which Ed are we to believe? With so much
> contradiction, perhaps the question should be, what if anything you
> write should anyone believe? The conundrum continues
>
> > With TM, it just copy and paste posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.
>
> So that's where you learned it from.
>
> > [...]
>
> > >> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
>
> > you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> > from what you're done.
>
> > Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> > threads.
>
> Bullshit. You have originated multiple farewell posts, multiple
> death of Usenet (particularly ARBR) posts, multiple Where is Tom
> Sherman posts just to mention a few that you recylce among the many.
>
> > It is really pitiful how you are unable to think clearly about
> > anything at all. That is what happens when you allow your emotions to take
> > over your intellect.
>
> Opinion stated as fact. Read your own words of wisdom in this
> regard ... It is a waste of time and energy for me Edward Dolan to
> even attempt to be intelligent. Even I don't know what I am saying
> half the time.
>
> Jim McNamara of this newsgroup can help you with your logical thinking
> as he is an expert on the subject.
>
> > >> A search of a newsgroup for a given topic
>
> > brings up multiple threads originated by you that address a single
> > topic year after year. This is somehow distinctly different?
>
> > It is indeed different if it is in response to what someone else has said.
>
> Not when you are the originator of the thread it's not.
>
> > I have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up poor
> > crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.
>
> That's crap and you know it or you are the Queen of D-Nile (denial).
> A search of the ARBR shows otherwise. See what I wrote above in this
> regard.
>
> > Since you can't see any diffence between us, I suggest you engage him. I
> > will die laughing at your flaying about with the village idiot.
>
> I never indicated that I can't see not difference between you two.
> Let me dumb this down for you. What I said was that you are
> criticizing TM for what you have done. That's what a psychologist
> calls a coping mechanism (projection). As for taking TM on, you have
> already assumed that role. Besides, I've better things to do with my
> time than respond to and/or trample TM's posts. Since you've nothing
> better to do with your time, do have fun.

I'm honored by such attacks and counterattacks but I simply recycle
some of the posts here. I don't think nothing will come out of it,
just to keep you posted how's the bicycle revolution. I wished we all
became organized but cyclists seem to be anarchists rather than
collectivists who ride buses.

I wonder what Ed stands for. Never bothered to figure that out. I know
he hates Muslims and Liberals, but that's about it.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:53 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 8/29/2010 5:36 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac"<jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan"<edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac"<jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> [...]
>
>>> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
> and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> the same is is not?
>
> It is always in response to what is being said by someone else. Repetitive
> types like you only deserve repetition. Ever notice how TM just ends up
> talking to himself. What does that tell you?
> [...]
>
>>> TM pretty much does what you set out to do, dominate the newsgroup
> with a off-topic posts. He just appears to be better at it than you.
>
> He is a fucking idiot and you are almost on his level yourself for thinking
> as you do. If he is your ideal, then why not engage him - or is he even too
> dumb for you?
> [...]
>
>>> Sounds like you just painted a self-portrait, the only difference
> being that you promise to go away, say your goodbyes over and over,
> depart promising never to return but don't keep your promise. In the
> final analysis, the end result is the same. You never go away
> either. You two deserve one another. Enjoy!
>
> I am a housekeeper. Everyone else on Usenet is way too stupid for me to ever
> engage on substance. With TM, it just copy and paste. I will step on his
> posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.

I'm reading all this from misc.consumers.frugal-living.

It looks to me that you have a grudge against TM and perpetuate it. TM
is nonsense, but keeping alive worthless threads when you know better is
not better. You've fallen for the Troll.

Stop it.

Jeff

> [...]
>
>>> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
> you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> from what you're done.
>
> Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> threads. It is really pitiful how you are unable to think clearly about
> anything at all. That is what happens when you allow your emotions to take
> over your intellect.
>
>>> A search of a newsgroup for a given topic
> brings up multiple threads originated by you that address a single
> topic year after year. This is somehow distinctly different?
>
> It is indeed different if it is in response to what someone else has said. I
> have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up poor
> crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.
>
> Since you can't see any diffence between us, I suggest you engage him. I
> will die laughing at your flaying about with the village idiot.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:42 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 31, 5:53 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> On 8/29/2010 5:36 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JimmyMac"<jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan"<edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac"<jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > [...]
>
> >>> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
> > and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> > the same is is not?
>
> > It is always in response to what is being said by someone else. Repetitive
> > types like you only deserve repetition. Ever notice how TM just ends up
> > talking to himself. What does that tell you?
> > [...]
>
> >>> TM pretty much does what you set out to do, dominate the newsgroup
> > with a off-topic posts. He just appears to be better at it than you.
>
> > He is a fucking idiot and you are almost on his level yourself for thinking
> > as you do. If he is your ideal, then why not engage him - or is he even too
> > dumb for you?
> > [...]
>
> >>> Sounds like you just painted a self-portrait, the only difference
> > being that you promise to go away, say your goodbyes over and over,
> > depart promising never to return but don't keep your promise. In the
> > final analysis, the end result is the same. You never go away
> > either. You two deserve one another. Enjoy!
>
> > I am a housekeeper. Everyone else on Usenet is way too stupid for me to ever
> > engage on substance. With TM, it just copy and paste. I will step on his
> > posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.
>
> I'm reading all this from misc.consumers.frugal-living.
>
> It looks to me that you have a grudge against TM and perpetuate it. TM
> is nonsense, but keeping alive worthless threads when you know better is
> not better. You've fallen for the Troll.
>
> Stop it.
>
> Jeff
>
> > [...]
>
> >>> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
> > you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> > from what you're done.
>
> > Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> > threads. It is really pitiful how you are unable to think clearly about
> > anything at all. That is what happens when you allow your emotions to take
> > over your intellect.
>
> >>> A search of a newsgroup for a given topic
> > brings up multiple threads originated by you that address a single
> > topic year after year. This is somehow distinctly different?
>
> > It is indeed different if it is in response to what someone else has said. I
> > have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up poor
> > crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.
>
> > Since you can't see any diffence between us, I suggest you engage him. I
> > will die laughing at your flaying about with the village idiot.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> aka
> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

I don't know what kind of business you got there, but if you ain't
riding a bike, lying on a hammock and eating peanuts you ain't
frugal.

Sorry my valuable wisdom goes wasted in these groups. Good thing is
totally easy to push a button.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 8:14 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 30, 11:53 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 9:36 pm, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 29, 4:36 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > [...]
>
> > > >> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
>
> > > and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> > > the same is is not?
>
> > > It is always in response to what is being said by someone else.
>
> > Well no it's not actually, but more about that further down sinc you
> > stated this multiple times.
>
> > > Repetitive types like you only deserve repetition.
>
> > Now you are accusing me, as you do TM, doing what you do ... recycling
> > repetitious nonsense? You have often stated that you write to
> > enlighten the readership. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion
> > that repetition of nonsense is in any way enlightening.
>
> > > Ever notice how TM just ends up
> > > talking to himself. What does that tell you?
>
> > It tells me that you read TM's posts and care and I don't. By the
> > way, this is yet another example of you accusing TM of what you are
> > guilty of, that is writing for yourself and talking to yourself. Well
> > whatever floats your boat, I guess.
>
> > > [...]
>
> > > >> TM pretty much does what you set out to do, dominate the newsgroup
>
> > > with a off-topic posts. He just appears to be better at it than you.
>
> > > He is a fucking idiot
>
> > You in your own words ... Name calling is just so infantile that I
> > hate to do it even in retaliation.
>
> > > and you are almost on his level yourself for thinking as you do.
>
> > Opinion stated as fact.
>
> > > If he is your ideal, then why not engage him - or is he even too
> > > dumb for you?
>
> > Logical fallacy, Non Sequitur, stating, as a conclusion, something
> > that which does not strictly follow from the premise. In this
> > particular instance, the premise (that TM is my ideal) is a figment of
> > your imagination since I made no such statement, nor did I imply as
> > much. Yep it does appear that you are actually jealous of TM's
> > ability to dominate a newsgroup better than you ever could. You
> > really need to get over this.
>
> > > [...]
>
> > > >> Sounds like you just painted a self-portrait, the only difference
>
> > > being that you promise to go away, say your goodbyes over and over,
> > > depart promising never to return but don't keep your promise. In the
> > > final analysis, the end result is the same. You never go away
> > > either. You two deserve one another. Enjoy!
>
> > > I am a housekeeper.
>
> > Send us a picture of you in your French maid outfit.
>
> > By the way, do you have an identity crisis? You really need to decide
> > what you are and why you're here. You wrote ... I am an equal
> > opportunity annoyer. My only purpose in being on these confounded
> > newsgroups is to rile others and make them as miserable as I am. I am
> > merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create some
> > mayhem. I am superfluous. Think of me as the buffoon of ARBR and you
> > will not be far wrong.
>
> > > Everyone else on Usenet is way too stupid for me to ever
> > > engage on substance.
>
> > Then why did you once write ... You can always count on me for a
> > customized response because I respect my fellow man no matter how much
> > I may disagree with him on specific issues? Why must you continue to
> > contradict yourself? Which Ed are we to believe? With so much
> > contradiction, perhaps the question should be, what if anything you
> > write should anyone believe? The conundrum continues
>
> > > With TM, it just copy and paste posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.
>
> > So that's where you learned it from.
>
> > > [...]
>
> > > >> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
>
> > > you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> > > from what you're done.
>
> > > Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> > > threads.
>
> > Bullshit. You have originated multiple farewell posts, multiple
> > death of Usenet (particularly ARBR) posts, multiple Where is Tom
> > Sherman posts just to mention a few that you recylce among the many.
>
> > > It is really pitiful how you are unable to think clearly about
> > > anything at all. That is what happens when you allow your emotions to take
> > > over your intellect.
>
> > Opinion stated as fact. Read your own words of wisdom in this
> > regard ... It is a waste of time and energy for me Edward Dolan to
> > even attempt to be intelligent. Even I don't know what I am saying
> > half the time.
>
> > Jim McNamara of this newsgroup can help you with your logical thinking
> > as he is an expert on the subject.
>
> > > >> A search of a newsgroup for a given topic
>
> > > brings up multiple threads originated by you that address a single
> > > topic year after year. This is somehow distinctly different?
>
> > > It is indeed different if it is in response to what someone else has said.
>
> > Not when you are the originator of the thread it's not.
>
> > > I have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up poor
> > > crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.
>
> > That's crap and you know it or you are the Queen of D-Nile (denial).
> > A search of the ARBR shows otherwise. See what I wrote above in this
> > regard.
>
> > > Since you can't see any diffence between us, I suggest you engage him. I
> > > will die laughing at your flaying about with the village idiot.
>
> > I never indicated that I can't see not difference between you two.
> > Let me dumb this down for you. What I said was that you are
> > criticizing TM for what you have done. That's what a psychologist
> > calls a coping mechanism (projection). As for taking TM on, you have
> > already assumed that role. Besides, I've better things to do with my
> > time than respond to and/or trample TM's posts. Since you've nothing
> > better to do with your time, do have fun.
>
> I'm honored by such attacks and counterattacks but I simply recycle
> some of the posts here. I don't think nothing will come out of it,
> just to keep you posted how's the bicycle revolution. I wished we all
> became organized but cyclists seem to be anarchists rather than
> collectivists who ride buses.
>
> I wonder what Ed stands for. Never bothered to figure that out. I know
> he hates Muslims and Liberals, but that's about it.

AND ... mountain bikers on hiking trails, and Tom Sherman, and
humanity in general especially women for the most part.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:33 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:da3fdfb9-50db-4973-8415-7fdd972f23b6@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
[...]

> I never indicated that I can't see not difference between you two.
Let me dumb this down for you. What I said was that you are
criticizing TM for what you have done. That's what a psychologist
calls a coping mechanism (projection).

I am criticizing TM for being the god damn fucking idiot that he is.

> As for taking TM on, you have
already assumed that role. Besides, I've better things to do with my
time than respond to and/or trample TM's posts. Since you've nothing
better to do with your time, do have fun.

It is just copy and paste which takes me about 2 seconds.

> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:41 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1414da6b-c807-48ea-9014-ea8c49f996d5@q2g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
[...]

> I'm honored by such attacks and counterattacks but I simply recycle
some of the posts here. I don't think nothing [I don't think nothing - what
an idiot!] will come out of it,
just to keep you posted how's the bicycle revolution. I wished we all
became organized but cyclists seem to be anarchists rather than
collectivists who ride buses.

I will step on all of your original posts since none of them are ever in the
least original. This will discourage others from replying to your nonsense.
All you will ever see is your own shit and my shit in response. Enjoy!

> I wonder what Ed stands for. Never bothered to figure that out. I know
he hates Muslims and Liberals, but that's about it.

I also hate assholes like you. Now go fuck your monkeys why don't you!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:45 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:164428e7-fc23-4824-b1ee-abce74a7c36e@g17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 30, 11:53 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

> I wonder what Ed stands for. Never bothered to figure that out. I know
> he hates Muslims and Liberals, but that's about it.

>> AND ... mountain bikers on hiking trails, and Tom Sherman, and
humanity in general especially women for the most part.

Be sure to add yourself to that list, oh you of the verbal diarrhea.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:58 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Jeff Thies" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:i5iu07$mli$1@news.albasani.net...
[...]
> I'm reading all this from misc.consumers.frugal-living.
>
> It looks to me that you have a grudge against TM and perpetuate it. TM is
> nonsense, but keeping alive worthless threads when you know better is not
> better. You've fallen for the Troll.

TM is not a troll. He is way too stupid for that. He is a spammer, something
for which no brain is required.

Everyone agrees with me that TM is an asshole idiot, but no one wants to do
anything about it except ignore him. Unfortunately, that does not work on a
small newsgroup such as RBS. A spammer destroys small newsgroups with
multiple threads. I will only do copy and paste with him since he is not
worth any thought. All he will see in the future is his own shit thrown back
at him.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:01 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:929e8457-33c1-4810-932e-3632d061c06e@s15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> I don't know what kind of business you got there, but if you ain't
riding a bike, lying on a hammock and eating peanuts you ain't
frugal.

> Sorry my valuable wisdom goes wasted in these groups. Good thing is
totally easy to push a button.

I think you must fornicate with monkeys since that is what you reference.
Hey,TM, what kind
of poor pitiful bastard are you anyway? I have got you down for a sheep
fucker. Why don't you tell us about that instead of those fucking monkeys.

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:44 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:da3fdfb9-50db-4973-8415-7fdd972f23b6@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 29, 4:36 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:> "JimmyMac"
> <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> [...]
>
> >> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
>
> and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> the same is is not?
>
> It is always in response to what is being said by someone else.

>>>> Well no it's not actually, but more about that further down sinc you
stated this multiple times.

Well, yes, it is actually.

> Repetitive types like you only deserve repetition.

>>>> Now you are accusing me, as you do TM, doing what you do ... recycling
repetitious nonsense? You have often stated that you write to
enlighten the readership. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion
that repetition of nonsense is in any way enlightening.

You are a broken record. I give you what you deserve.

> Ever notice how TM just ends up
> talking to himself. What does that tell you?

>>>> It tells me that you read TM's posts and care and I don't. By the
way, this is yet another example of you accusing TM of what you are
guilty of, that is writing for yourself and talking to yourself. Well
whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I care about TM destroying a small newsgroup like RBS. Otherwise, I do not
care any more about him than I do about you.

More importantly, you never know what you are talking about. I only respond
to replies (just as I am doing now). TM never gets any replies.
[...]

>>>> Logical fallacy, Non Sequitur, stating, as a conclusion, something
that which does not strictly follow from the premise. In this
particular instance, the premise (that TM is my ideal) is a figment of
your imagination since I made no such statement, nor did I imply as
much. Yep it does appear that you are actually jealous of TM's
ability to dominate a newsgroup better than you ever could. You
really need to get over this.

TM dominates a newsgroup by the force of his idiocy and by posting multiple
threads which no one ever reads. I did so by the force of my intellect and
pointed argumentation. But what would a stalker like you know about any of
that. All you know is yourself.
[...]

> With TM, it just copy and paste posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.

>>>> So that's where you learned it from.

Yes, there is never any point in wasting time and effort on idiots.

> [...]
>
> >> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
>
> you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> from what you're done.
>
> Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> threads.

>>>> Bullshit. You have originated multiple farewell posts, multiple
death of Usenet (particularly ARBR) posts, multiple Where is Tom
Sherman posts just to mention a few that you recylce among the many.

You have never followed any newsgroup for long because all you ever do is
follow those threads that concern you. The fact is I am mainly a responder
as is Tom Sherman. TM is mostly an originator of idiotic posts and that is
what I am objecting to. You are not qualified to have an opinion of these
cycling newsgroups. That is ever the fate of stalkers like you. All you
really know is yourself.
[...]

> I have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up
> poor
> crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.

>>>> That's crap and you know it or you are the Queen of D-Nile (denial).
A search of the ARBR shows otherwise. See what I wrote above in this
regard.

Now you are just out and out lying, ever the last refuge of a scoundrel. TM
does just one thing. He originates multiple threads which no one reads. He
does it constantly, day in and day out. How fucked-up are you not to know
this? He is a spammer, not a troll. A troll has got to have some brains in
order to get responses. All TM does is post spam shit.

The fact is that you are unable to make meaningful discriminations. You
never know what is important and what is trivial. It is all the same to you.
It is why no one ever bothers to read your posts except me. You are argue as
a child argues. Either grow up or get lost!
[...]

> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:51 am
From: guru datta

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KAJAL AGARWAL HOT BOOBS SHOW VIDEO

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SNEHA HOTTEST BATH ROOM VIDEO

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SOUTH ACTRESS ASTHA BINGAL IN BATH

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MAHESH AMISHA SEXY LIPKISS

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 7:03 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

I mean everything: God (who ain't coming at all), BICYCLES for the
environment and frugality, COMMUNITY, MARIJUANA... and banana peels!

On Aug 30, 5:23 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 09:57 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> >>http://nwcommunityenergy.org/wind/wind-case-studies/minwindisan
> >> example of a locally owned enterprise that is not going to be, as above,
> >> 'blown away'. You cant outsource this to India or Mexico.
>
> > I go along with that. I always say the ideal social unit of
> > capitalism, THE FAMILY, is too small to resist outside pressures and
> > sometimes even undesirable, and that the social unit of communism, THE
> > PEOPLE (as is People's Republic), is too general for the individual to
> > care about it.
>
> > Now, what do we produce? ;)
>
> Start with a forum to discuss that question. And what opportunities
> various local resources offer. I found Gies, "Life in a Medieval
> Village" informative. They often found villages were small businesses-
> foundry, grain mill, weaving, tannery, pottery...
>
> So, what you'd want to produce would be affected by whatever other
> businesses were already at it in the area. But even at that, there were
> lotsa other productive efforts doing what corporations call 'vertical
> integration' to meet internal needs. Firewood, lumber, orchards, garden
> crops...
>
> So nobody got burned out on doing any one thing; seasons placed
> different demands. They mite need everyone doing 60 hours for the week
> they pick apples, but unless its some time critical task, 20 hours/week
> was enuf to cover the per capita costs of operations.
>
> I've covered a lotta this at alt.community, but certainly, there'd be
> ideas a group would want to go over in a private list. Proprietary.
>
> I'll be in court tomorrow morning on a medical marijuana test case in
> Clinton Arkansas. So- I cant plan on any contribution until after I hear
> what the judge has to say. That'll be posted athttp://daybrown.org;
> the effect of the fliers there has been very encouraging. If I win, I'll
> have a defacto license to grow pot. Which any community would want to do.

Good luck! I think I mentioned before this campaign: "BUY LOCALLY,
BIKE LOCALLY." I'm looking for entrepreneurs to really push it and
sell the t-shirts on the Internet. I'm too much into the revolutionary
aspect of it. Perhaps the Banana Revolution can cover that other plant
of medical value: the MARIJUANA. I'm sure it's better than smoking
'BANANA PEELS.'

"Then too, http://assetseizure.org shows how they've been running the
drugwar like a speedtrap."

Hey, "they" sounds like the lawyers who take away your points after
caught speeding for a "reasonable fee."

---------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Banana peels are good for composting"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:21 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0f40d357-f733-445f-b987-2006c6b9293f@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>I mean everything: God (who ain't coming at all), BICYCLES for the
> environment and frugality, COMMUNITY, MARIJUANA... and banana peels!
>
> On Aug 30, 5:23 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/25/2010 09:57 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>>
>> >>http://nwcommunityenergy.org/wind/wind-case-studies/minwindisan
>> >> example of a locally owned enterprise that is not going to be, as
>> >> above,
>> >> 'blown away'. You cant outsource this to India or Mexico.
>>
>> > I go along with that. I always say the ideal social unit of
>> > capitalism, THE FAMILY, is too small to resist outside pressures and
>> > sometimes even undesirable, and that the social unit of communism, THE
>> > PEOPLE (as is People's Republic), is too general for the individual to
>> > care about it.
>>
>> > Now, what do we produce? ;)
>>
>> Start with a forum to discuss that question. And what opportunities
>> various local resources offer. I found Gies, "Life in a Medieval
>> Village" informative. They often found villages were small businesses-
>> foundry, grain mill, weaving, tannery, pottery...
>>
>> So, what you'd want to produce would be affected by whatever other
>> businesses were already at it in the area. But even at that, there were
>> lotsa other productive efforts doing what corporations call 'vertical
>> integration' to meet internal needs. Firewood, lumber, orchards, garden
>> crops...
>>
>> So nobody got burned out on doing any one thing; seasons placed
>> different demands. They mite need everyone doing 60 hours for the week
>> they pick apples, but unless its some time critical task, 20 hours/week
>> was enuf to cover the per capita costs of operations.
>>
>> I've covered a lotta this at alt.community, but certainly, there'd be
>> ideas a group would want to go over in a private list. Proprietary.
>>
>> I'll be in court tomorrow morning on a medical marijuana test case in
>> Clinton Arkansas. So- I cant plan on any contribution until after I hear
>> what the judge has to say. That'll be posted athttp://daybrown.org;
>> the effect of the fliers there has been very encouraging. If I win, I'll
>> have a defacto license to grow pot. Which any community would want to do.
>
> Good luck! I think I mentioned before this campaign: "BUY LOCALLY,
> BIKE LOCALLY." I'm looking for entrepreneurs to really push it and
> sell the t-shirts on the Internet. I'm too much into the revolutionary
> aspect of it. Perhaps the Banana Revolution can cover that other plant
> of medical value: the MARIJUANA. I'm sure it's better than smoking
> 'BANANA PEELS.'
>
> "Then too, http://assetseizure.org shows how they've been running the
> drugwar like a speedtrap."
>
> Hey, "they" sounds like the lawyers who take away your points after
> caught speeding for a "reasonable fee."

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:49 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 31, 10:21 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0f40d357-f733-445f-b987-2006c6b9293f@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I mean everything: God (who ain't coming at all), BICYCLES for the
> > environment and frugality, COMMUNITY, MARIJUANA... and banana peels!
>
> > On Aug 30, 5:23 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/25/2010 09:57 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> >> >>http://nwcommunityenergy.org/wind/wind-case-studies/minwindisan
> >> >> example of a locally owned enterprise that is not going to be, as
> >> >> above,
> >> >> 'blown away'. You cant outsource this to India or Mexico.
>
> >> > I go along with that. I always say the ideal social unit of
> >> > capitalism, THE FAMILY, is too small to resist outside pressures and
> >> > sometimes even undesirable, and that the social unit of communism, THE
> >> > PEOPLE (as is People's Republic), is too general for the individual to
> >> > care about it.
>
> >> > Now, what do we produce? ;)
>
> >> Start with a forum to discuss that question. And what opportunities
> >> various local resources offer. I found Gies, "Life in a Medieval
> >> Village" informative. They often found villages were small businesses-
> >> foundry, grain mill, weaving, tannery, pottery...
>
> >> So, what you'd want to produce would be affected by whatever other
> >> businesses were already at it in the area. But even at that, there were
> >> lotsa other productive efforts doing what corporations call 'vertical
> >> integration' to meet internal needs. Firewood, lumber, orchards, garden
> >> crops...
>
> >> So nobody got burned out on doing any one thing; seasons placed
> >> different demands. They mite need everyone doing 60 hours for the week
> >> they pick apples, but unless its some time critical task, 20 hours/week
> >> was enuf to cover the per capita costs of operations.
>
> >> I've covered a lotta this at alt.community, but certainly, there'd be
> >> ideas a group would want to go over in a private list. Proprietary.
>
> >> I'll be in court tomorrow morning on a medical marijuana test case in
> >> Clinton Arkansas. So- I cant plan on any contribution until after I hear
> >> what the judge has to say. That'll be posted athttp://daybrown.org;
> >> the effect of the fliers there has been very encouraging. If I win, I'll
> >> have a defacto license to grow pot. Which any community would want to do.
>
> > Good luck! I think I mentioned before this campaign: "BUY LOCALLY,
> > BIKE LOCALLY." I'm looking for entrepreneurs to really push it and
> > sell the t-shirts on the Internet. I'm too much into the revolutionary
> > aspect of it. Perhaps the Banana Revolution can cover that other plant
> > of medical value: the MARIJUANA. I'm sure it's better than smoking
> > 'BANANA PEELS.'
>
> > "Then too,http://assetseizure.orgshows how they've been running the
> > drugwar like a speedtrap."
>
> > Hey, "they" sounds like the lawyers who take away your points after
> > caught speeding for a "reasonable fee."
>
> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
>

I hate them, I hate them, I hate them... ;)

Anyway here's the strong selling point:

On Aug 31, 9:23 am, Mizter T <mizte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 3:08 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock & the Stationary Bicycle to burn the
>
> calories <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> Please f*&k off and stop crossposting to every public transport
> newsgroup under the sun.

Sorry, I forgot you are waiting for Obama to bring infrastructure, but
he's broke. Or maybe you are waiting for Jesus... Whatever, it ain't
coming!

If you want to see change work for the revolution... or move to
Europe, ie. Holland or some specific place that you know. You may also
move to Curitiba, but I don't guarantee you prosperity.

China is not a good place to go. They want to be like America and are
abandoning their bikes.

Oh, this is a strong selling point, the revolution guarantees you that
ALL the money currently wasted on the War on Drugs will be channeled
to bicycle and public transportation infrastructure. That's a written
guarantee.

See the whole picture now?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:23 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d9a256c-837f-41b5-8101-0f71ca0f2c4b@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 31, 10:21 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
> Tantra-Hammock"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0f40d357-f733-445f-b987-2006c6b9293f@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I mean everything: God (who ain't coming at all), BICYCLES for the
> > environment and frugality, COMMUNITY, MARIJUANA... and banana peels!
>
> > On Aug 30, 5:23 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/25/2010 09:57 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> >> >>http://nwcommunityenergy.org/wind/wind-case-studies/minwindisan
> >> >> example of a locally owned enterprise that is not going to be, as
> >> >> above,
> >> >> 'blown away'. You cant outsource this to India or Mexico.
>
> >> > I go along with that. I always say the ideal social unit of
> >> > capitalism, THE FAMILY, is too small to resist outside pressures and
> >> > sometimes even undesirable, and that the social unit of communism,
> >> > THE
> >> > PEOPLE (as is People's Republic), is too general for the individual
> >> > to
> >> > care about it.
>
> >> > Now, what do we produce? ;)
>
> >> Start with a forum to discuss that question. And what opportunities
> >> various local resources offer. I found Gies, "Life in a Medieval
> >> Village" informative. They often found villages were small businesses-
> >> foundry, grain mill, weaving, tannery, pottery...
>
> >> So, what you'd want to produce would be affected by whatever other
> >> businesses were already at it in the area. But even at that, there were
> >> lotsa other productive efforts doing what corporations call 'vertical
> >> integration' to meet internal needs. Firewood, lumber, orchards, garden
> >> crops...
>
> >> So nobody got burned out on doing any one thing; seasons placed
> >> different demands. They mite need everyone doing 60 hours for the week
> >> they pick apples, but unless its some time critical task, 20 hours/week
> >> was enuf to cover the per capita costs of operations.
>
> >> I've covered a lotta this at alt.community, but certainly, there'd be
> >> ideas a group would want to go over in a private list. Proprietary.
>
> >> I'll be in court tomorrow morning on a medical marijuana test case in
> >> Clinton Arkansas. So- I cant plan on any contribution until after I
> >> hear
> >> what the judge has to say. That'll be posted athttp://daybrown.org;
> >> the effect of the fliers there has been very encouraging. If I win,
> >> I'll
> >> have a defacto license to grow pot. Which any community would want to
> >> do.
>
> > Good luck! I think I mentioned before this campaign: "BUY LOCALLY,
> > BIKE LOCALLY." I'm looking for entrepreneurs to really push it and
> > sell the t-shirts on the Internet. I'm too much into the revolutionary
> > aspect of it. Perhaps the Banana Revolution can cover that other plant
> > of medical value: the MARIJUANA. I'm sure it's better than smoking
> > 'BANANA PEELS.'
>
> > "Then too,http://assetseizure.orgshows how they've been running the
> > drugwar like a speedtrap."
>
> > Hey, "they" sounds like the lawyers who take away your points after
> > caught speeding for a "reasonable fee."
>
> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to
> this
>

I hate them, I hate them, I hate them... ;)

Anyway here's the strong selling point:

Sorry, I forgot you are waiting for Obama to bring infrastructure, but
he's broke. Or maybe you are waiting for Jesus... Whatever, it ain't
coming!

If you want to see change work for the revolution... or move to
Europe, ie. Holland or some specific place that you know. You may also
move to Curitiba, but I don't guarantee you prosperity.

China is not a good place to go. They want to be like America and are
abandoning their bikes.

See the whole picture now?

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: HOT BABES
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 9:36 am
From: RAMYA

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HOT ACTRESS IN A SEXY FEELING

http://hotheroinesphoto.blogspot.com/2010/07/hot-actress_29.html

KAJAL AGARWAL HOT BOOBS SHOW VIDEO

http://hotheroinesphoto.blogspot.com/2010/07/kajal-agarwal-boob-show.html

SNEHA HOTTEST BATH ROOM VIDEO

http://hotheroinesphoto.blogspot.com/2010/07/sneha-bath-room-video.html

SOUTH ACTRESS ASTHA BINGAL IN BATH

http://hotheroinesphoto.blogspot.com/2010/07/south-actress-astha-bingal-in-bath.html

SAMANTHA SEXY PHOTO ONLY FOR U

http://hotheroinesphoto.blogspot.com/2010/07/samantha-special.html

MAHESH AMISHA SEXY LIPKISS

http://hotheroinesphoto.blogspot.com/2010/07/amishapatel-lipkiss.html

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TOPIC: *Angelina Jolie* Nude Bathing Videos In All Angles
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:27 am
From: paypal cash

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TOPIC: The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:55 am
From: Rebel1

The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010

This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009. It has
been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns
properly align and it has been updated with newly released data for
2007. To prevent the table from getting too wide for a 1024x768 display,
the 2002 data has been deleted. It was originally posted at the
sci.med.nutrition, alt.health, alt.social-security-disability,
alt.politics.usa.congress, and misc.consumers.frugal-living newsgroups
on August 31, 2010, 2:55 pm ET, by Rebel1.

(As an aside, Mike Adams, also known as the Health Ranger, makes a good
case that nobody dies in the U.S. from flu because none of the deaths
are confirmed by lab data; fascinating perspective.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html)

************************************************************************

Once again the government and its press lackeys are circulating lies
about the alleged number of annual U.S. flu deaths in an attempt to
scare the population into getting flu shots of questionable value.
Nobody in Congress challenges the number, because Big Pharma makes
substantial "contributions" to their reelection campaigns. FDA
decision-makers don't make waves because their silence is often rewarded
with lucrative jobs at Big Pharma companies after leaving government.
Advertising-supported popular magazines and even medical journals dare
not expose the truth; just count the number of advertising pages for
drugs and figure it out yourself. Major news services (AP, Reuters,
etc.) don't expose the fraud either; perhaps it's the fear of being
denied access to key people in the government, or perhaps their writers
are too lazy to do fact-checking.

36,000 DEATHS PER YEAR
That's the bogus number typically circulated. It's sometimes given as
deaths from pneumonia and flu combined. Other times it's given as deaths
from flu alone. (They can't even tell a consistent lie.) In either case,
the number is wrong. The true number of flu deaths and pneumonia deaths
in all age groups, right from the government's Centers for Disease
Control reports, are as follows:

Deaths from 2003(1) 2004(2) 2005(3) 2006(4) 2007(5)
Pneumonia & flu 65,163 59,644 63,001 56,326 52,717
Pneumonia alone 63,371 58,564 61,189 55,477 52,306
Flu alone 1,792 1,100 1,812 849 411
All causes 2,448,288 2,397,615 2,448,017 2,426,264 2,423,712

That's right, flu deaths ranged from 1,792 in 2003 to 411 in 2007. The
five-year average is 1,192 per year!

SO WHO SHOULD GET THE FLU VACCINE?
According to this site, http://www.medicinenet.com/influenza/page3.htm,
"groups at increased risk of influenza complications include people aged
65 years or older.…" (With all their drug ads, can they be impartial?)
Let's see just how high that risk is. Here are the numbers for people
aged 65 and older+ in year 2007(5):

Age Age Age Total
Deaths from: 65-74 75-84 85&Up 65&Up
Pneumonia and flu 5,547 14,859 25,535 45,941
Pneumonia alone 5,509 14,780 25,396 45,685
Flu Alone 38 79 139 256
Total Deaths, all causes 389,238 652,682 713,646 1,755,566
Flu Deaths, % of Total 0.010 0.012 0.019 0.015
Deaths

So IF vaccine makers correctly GUESSED at the type of virus strains that
would be a risk 9 months after they started making the vaccine, AND IF
the vaccine were 100 percent effective, only 256 deaths (0.015%) would
be delayed out of 1,755,566 from all causes.

Some might credit the drop of flu deaths in the 65 and above group (256
in 2007 vs. 689 in 2006) to increased vaccination coverage. But the CDC
says that coverage of 68.0% in this age group was similar to previous
seasons.(6)

But they want to vaccinate all 35,000,000 people 65 and older(7). At $20
per vaccine, that's $700,000,000 transferred from the bank accounts of
seniors and their insurers to the medical mafia (everyone from the local
doctors up the distribution chain to the manufacturer) hoping to delay a
mere 256 deaths in an already vulnerable group. That's $2,734,375 for
each delayed death. Yes, there will be some savings due to reduced
hospitalizations. Nevertheless, this kind of insanity is what's
bankrupting the system.

HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE VACCINE?
An article in the October 4, 2007, issue of the New England Journal of
Medicine addressed this question.(8) Data were pooled from 18 cohorts of
community-dwelling elderly members of one U.S. health maintenance
organization (HMO) for 1990–1991 through 1999–2000 and of two other HMOs
for 1996–1997 through 1999–2000. The study was not designed to evaluate
levels of vaccine effectiveness among the frailest elderly, such as
those living in nursing homes, and is somewhat biased because all
members were part of an HMO. The data covered 10 flu seasons, which
included eight seasons where the vaccine matched the circulating virus.

Results - Some quotes from the study:

"During the 10 influenza seasons, there were 4599 hospitalizations for
pneumonia or influenza and 8796 deaths. The observed hospitalization
rates for unvaccinated and for vaccinated participants were, on average,
0.7% and 0.6% per season, respectively, with corresponding death rates
of 1.6% and 1.0% per season."

"Influenza vaccination was associated on average with substantial
reductions in hospitalizations for pneumonia and for influenza (vaccine
effectiveness, 27%) and in death (vaccine effectiveness, 48%). Estimates
varied from season to season and across the 18 cohorts). In the two
seasons with a poor match between the vaccine and the virus strain,
vaccine effectiveness was lower for reducing death (in seasons with a
poor match, vaccine effectiveness was 37%; in seasons with a good match,
vaccine effectiveness was 52%) but not for reducing hospitalization."

While these results may appear impressive, the study warns:

"How these results might relate to population-level trends is unclear.
For example, influenza-attributable excess mortality rates in the United
States have not declined to the degree that might be expected in light
of increasing vaccination rates during the 1980s and the early 1990s.
However, nation-level data do not include the risk profile or
vaccination status of those who have died. Critical information is
therefore lacking, making it difficult to estimate what the expected
excess mortality rates would be if vaccination rates were 0%, what
benefits have already been realized given current patterns of vaccine
use, and what additional benefits might be realized with more effective
vaccine delivery."

Draw your own conclusions as to the value of a flu vaccine, considering
the cost of a nationwide program compared to the few who will benefit.

WHAT ABOUT PNEUMONIA?
True, complications from the flu VIRUS can lead to pneumonia. About 50
percent of the pneumonia cases are caused by viruses, which produce less
severe pneumonia(9). The rest are mainly caused by bacteria. Get a
pneumonia vaccination.

HOW TO PREVENT THE FLU
The flu season coincides with shorter days, which means less sunlight
and less vitamin D generated by our bodies from direct (not through
glass or sunscreen) sun exposure on our skin. Here's the background:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/10/03/more-evidence-vitamin-d-beats-the-flu.aspx

(If the above link doesn't take you directly to the article, type the
link manually in the address box or enter in the search box " More
Evidence Vitamin D Beats the Flu" and click on the first result.)

1) Take vitamin D3 supplements or cod liver oil, at daily doses of
1000-2000 IU. But read this before starting:
http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vitamin_d_deficiency.htm
2) Frequently wash hands after being in public
3) Get plenty of sleep
4) Reduce stress
5) Cut sugar consumption, which depresses the immune system.

MORE INFO
http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3696

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REFERENCES:
(1) Deaths: Final Data for 2003, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
54, #13, Apr 19, 2006, Table 10, page 32
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_13.pdf
(2) Deaths: Final Data for 2004, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
55, #19, Oct 10, 2007, pages 30, 32 and 36
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_19.pdf
(3) Deaths: Final Data for 2005, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
56, #10, April 24, 2008, page 33, Table 10
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf
(4) Deaths: Final Data for 2006, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
57, #14, April 2009, Table 10
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf.
(5) Deaths: Final Data for 2007, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
58, #19, May 2010, Table 10
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf.
(6) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, April 30, 2010
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5916a1.htm
(7) Information Please Almanac
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0905042.html
(8) Effectiveness of Influenza Vaccine in the Community-Dwelling Elderly.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/14/1373
(9) Pneumonia Fact Sheet, American Lung Association
http://www.lungusa.org/lung-disease/influenza/in-depth-resources/pneumonia-fact-sheet.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Rebel1 wrote:

> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010

> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.

> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns properly align

You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet client.

> and it has been updated with newly released data for 2007. To prevent the table from getting too wide for a 1024x768
> display, the 2002 data has been deleted. It was originally posted at the sci.med.nutrition, alt.health,
> alt.social-security-disability,
> alt.politics.usa.congress, and misc.consumers.frugal-living newsgroups on August 31, 2010, 2:55 pm ET, by Rebel1.

> (As an aside, Mike Adams, also known as the Health Ranger, makes a good case that nobody dies in the U.S. from flu
> because none of the deaths are confirmed by lab data; fascinating perspective.

No he doesnt make a good case, because they either died of the flu or they
didnt, doesnt matter whether that has been confirmed by lab data or not.

> http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html)

> ************************************************************************

> Once again the government and its press lackeys are circulating lies

And this is where your prejudices stand out like dogs balls.

> about the alleged number of annual U.S. flu deaths in an attempt to scare the population into getting flu shots of
> questionable value.

Why would they bother ?

> Nobody in Congress challenges the number, because Big Pharma makes substantial "contributions" to their reelection
> campaigns.

Mindlessly silly.

> FDA decision-makers don't make waves because their silence is often
> rewarded with lucrative jobs at Big Pharma companies after leaving government.

Even sillier.

> Advertising-supported popular magazines and even medical
> journals dare not expose the truth; just count the number of
> advertising pages for drugs and figure it out yourself.

Peer reviewed scientific journals dont have any drug advertising.

> Major news services (AP, Reuters, etc.) don't expose the fraud either; perhaps it's the fear of being denied access to
> key people in the government, or perhaps their writers are too lazy to do fact-checking.

More likely because there is no fraud.

> 36,000 DEATHS PER YEAR
> That's the bogus number typically circulated.

Easy to claim. Pity you cant actually substantiate the claim that its bogus.

> It's sometimes given as deaths from pneumonia and flu combined. Other times it's given as deaths from flu alone. (They
> can't even tell a consistent lie.)

Its nothing like as black and white as that.

> In either case, the number is wrong.

Easy to claim. Pity you cant actually substantiate the claim that its bogus.

> The true number of flu deaths and pneumonia deaths in all age groups, right from the government's Centers for Disease
> Control reports, are as follows:

> Deaths from 2003(1) 2004(2) 2005(3) 2006(4) 2007(5)
> Pneumonia & flu 65,163 59,644 63,001 56,326 52,717
> Pneumonia alone 63,371 58,564 61,189 55,477 52,306

Thats a flagrantly dishonest misrepresentation of what the CDC reports actually say.

> Flu alone 1,792 1,100 1,812 849 411

And that in spades.

> All causes 2,448,288 2,397,615 2,448,017 2,426,264 2,423,712

> That's right, flu deaths ranged from 1,792 in 2003 to 411 in 2007.

The CDC doesnt say that.

> The five-year average is 1,192 per year!

Or that either.

And you havent even considered how many more would have
died of flu if there had not been any flu vaccinations anyway.

None of the rest of this even more mindless silly shit worth bothering with.

> SO WHO SHOULD GET THE FLU VACCINE?
> According to this site,
> http://www.medicinenet.com/influenza/page3.htm, "groups at increased
> risk of influenza complications include people aged 65 years or
> older.…" (With all their drug ads, can they be impartial?) Let's see
> just how high that risk is. Here are the numbers for people aged 65
> and older+ in year 2007(5):
> Age Age Age Total
> Deaths from: 65-74 75-84 85&Up 65&Up
> Pneumonia and flu 5,547 14,859 25,535 45,941
> Pneumonia alone 5,509 14,780 25,396 45,685
> Flu Alone 38 79 139 256
> Total Deaths, all causes 389,238 652,682 713,646 1,755,566
> Flu Deaths, % of Total 0.010 0.012 0.019 0.015
> Deaths
>
> So IF vaccine makers correctly GUESSED at the type of virus strains
> that would be a risk 9 months after they started making the vaccine,
> AND IF the vaccine were 100 percent effective, only 256 deaths
> (0.015%) would be delayed out of 1,755,566 from all causes.
>
> Some might credit the drop of flu deaths in the 65 and above group
> (256 in 2007 vs. 689 in 2006) to increased vaccination coverage. But
> the CDC says that coverage of 68.0% in this age group was similar to
> previous seasons.(6)
>
> But they want to vaccinate all 35,000,000 people 65 and older(7). At
> $20 per vaccine, that's $700,000,000 transferred from the bank
> accounts of seniors and their insurers to the medical mafia (everyone
> from the local doctors up the distribution chain to the manufacturer)
> hoping to delay a mere 256 deaths in an already vulnerable group.
> That's $2,734,375 for each delayed death. Yes, there will be some
> savings due to reduced hospitalizations. Nevertheless, this kind of
> insanity is what's bankrupting the system.
>
> HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE VACCINE?
> An article in the October 4, 2007, issue of the New England Journal of
> Medicine addressed this question.(8) Data were pooled from 18 cohorts
> of community-dwelling elderly members of one U.S. health maintenance
> organization (HMO) for 1990–1991 through 1999–2000 and of two other
> HMOs for 1996–1997 through 1999–2000. The study was not designed to
> evaluate levels of vaccine effectiveness among the frailest elderly,
> such as those living in nursing homes, and is somewhat biased because
> all members were part of an HMO. The data covered 10 flu seasons,
> which included eight seasons where the vaccine matched the
> circulating virus.
> Results - Some quotes from the study:
>
> "During the 10 influenza seasons, there were 4599 hospitalizations for
> pneumonia or influenza and 8796 deaths. The observed hospitalization
> rates for unvaccinated and for vaccinated participants were, on
> average, 0.7% and 0.6% per season, respectively, with corresponding death rates
> of 1.6% and 1.0% per season."
>
> "Influenza vaccination was associated on average with substantial
> reductions in hospitalizations for pneumonia and for influenza
> (vaccine effectiveness, 27%) and in death (vaccine effectiveness,
> 48%). Estimates varied from season to season and across the 18
> cohorts). In the two seasons with a poor match between the vaccine
> and the virus strain, vaccine effectiveness was lower for reducing
> death (in seasons with a poor match, vaccine effectiveness was 37%;
> in seasons with a good match, vaccine effectiveness was 52%) but not
> for reducing hospitalization."
> While these results may appear impressive, the study warns:
>
> "How these results might relate to population-level trends is unclear.
> For example, influenza-attributable excess mortality rates in the
> United States have not declined to the degree that might be expected
> in light of increasing vaccination rates during the 1980s and the
> early 1990s. However, nation-level data do not include the risk
> profile or vaccination status of those who have died. Critical
> information is therefore lacking, making it difficult to estimate
> what the expected excess mortality rates would be if vaccination
> rates were 0%, what benefits have already been realized given current
> patterns of vaccine use, and what additional benefits might be
> realized with more effective vaccine delivery."
>
> Draw your own conclusions as to the value of a flu vaccine,
> considering the cost of a nationwide program compared to the few who
> will benefit.
> WHAT ABOUT PNEUMONIA?
> True, complications from the flu VIRUS can lead to pneumonia. About 50
> percent of the pneumonia cases are caused by viruses, which produce
> less severe pneumonia(9). The rest are mainly caused by bacteria. Get
> a pneumonia vaccination.
>
> HOW TO PREVENT THE FLU
> The flu season coincides with shorter days, which means less sunlight
> and less vitamin D generated by our bodies from direct (not through
> glass or sunscreen) sun exposure on our skin. Here's the background:
>
> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/10/03/more-evidence-vitamin-d-beats-the-flu.aspx
>
> (If the above link doesn't take you directly to the article, type the
> link manually in the address box or enter in the search box " More
> Evidence Vitamin D Beats the Flu" and click on the first result.)
>
> 1) Take vitamin D3 supplements or cod liver oil, at daily doses of
> 1000-2000 IU. But read this before starting:
> http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vitamin_d_deficiency.htm
> 2) Frequently wash hands after being in public
> 3) Get plenty of sleep
> 4) Reduce stress
> 5) Cut sugar consumption, which depresses the immune system.
>
> MORE INFO
> http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3696
>
> **********************************************************
> REFERENCES:
> (1) Deaths: Final Data for 2003, National Vital Statistics Reports,
> Vol. 54, #13, Apr 19, 2006, Table 10, page 32
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_13.pdf
> (2) Deaths: Final Data for 2004, National Vital Statistics Reports,
> Vol. 55, #19, Oct 10, 2007, pages 30, 32 and 36
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_19.pdf
> (3) Deaths: Final Data for 2005, National Vital Statistics Reports,
> Vol. 56, #10, April 24, 2008, page 33, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf
> (4) Deaths: Final Data for 2006, National Vital Statistics Reports,
> Vol. 57, #14, April 2009, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf.
> (5) Deaths: Final Data for 2007, National Vital Statistics Reports,
> Vol. 58, #19, May 2010, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf.
> (6) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, April 30, 2010
> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5916a1.htm
> (7) Information Please Almanac
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0905042.html
> (8) Effectiveness of Influenza Vaccine in the Community-Dwelling
> Elderly. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/14/1373
> (9) Pneumonia Fact Sheet, American Lung Association
> http://www.lungusa.org/lung-disease/influenza/in-depth-resources/pneumonia-fact-sheet.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 12:50 pm
From: hghg

38 core cable Paces Copper 99.9%
http://buy-sell-old-vessels-iron-scrap.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Is an SUV a Truck or a Toy?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 1:50 pm
From: Charmin

On Aug 30, 6:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The story goes that in the old times cars were regulated by CAFE
> standards, and Congress somehow got around those regulations by
> labeling the SUV a "truck"... Yes, they can be very clever when they
> want. Anyway a jungle vehicle --they want to look tough-- that was
> unsafe to itself and others landed on American roads, which were
> pretty unsafe anyway, and without a truck license of any kind (as
> common sense would dictate) unleashed the Law of the Jungle among
> drivers and appealed to the "animal within."
>
> That's not nice for other drivers and the environment, but I have a
> further classification that would take effect wherever the revolution
> comes to power: THE SUV IS A TOY. The distinction is clear: A truck is
> used to move merchandise and requires a special license, a toy means
> that it's a toy for the rich and the wannabe rich. The bicycle by
> contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>
> Signed by "El Comandante," aka Wise Tibetan Monkey, Prophet of the
> Jungle and other titles too long to name.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "SUVs makes sense in the deep jungle, but not in the asphalt jungle"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

My truck is a tool, as are you.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:10 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 31, 1:50 pm, Charmin <char...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 6:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The story goes that in the old times cars were regulated by CAFE
> > standards, and Congress somehow got around those regulations by
> > labeling the SUV a "truck"... Yes, they can be very clever when they
> > want. Anyway a jungle vehicle --they want to look tough-- that was
> > unsafe to itself and others landed on American roads, which were
> > pretty unsafe anyway, and without a truck license of any kind (as
> > common sense would dictate) unleashed the Law of the Jungle among
> > drivers and appealed to the "animal within."
>
> > That's not nice for other drivers and the environment, but I have a
> > further classification that would take effect wherever the revolution
> > comes to power: THE SUV IS A TOY. The distinction is clear: A truck is
> > used to move merchandise and requires a special license, a toy means
> > that it's a toy for the rich and the wannabe rich. The bicycle by
> > contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>
> > Signed by "El Comandante," aka Wise Tibetan Monkey, Prophet of the
> > Jungle and other titles too long to name.
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "SUVs makes sense in the deep jungle, but not in the asphalt jungle"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> My truck is a tool, as are you.

If you your truck is a tool, great!

My bicycle could be a tool too. But not much use due to many drivers
who couldn't care less. And indifferent authorities who care even
less.

So you got a very sophisticated tool, but not every job calls for it.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:34 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock & the Stationary Bicycle to burn the calories"

On Aug 31, 1:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:44:04 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 30, 4:34 pm, necromancer - ECHM
>
> >> >The bicycle by contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>
> >> Do I even want to know what that would look like?
>
> >The Dutch bike with rack is such a vehicle. I can easily carry
> >groceries for a week on mine. That's utility without the stupidity of
> >driving an SUV to the market.

> > Also known as nerd bikes..
>
> Canyon asks: "So now if you're standing on a corner and
> a little old granny lady walks up and out of the blue
> smacks you with her cane, you have a "First Amendment
> based" case because you have a right to be there. Is
> that correct now?

Listen, you are offending me, the old ladies, and the Dutch nation.

I've never said that SUV drivers are gorillas...

http://www.chrisroberson.net/uploaded_images/FORD_Ranger_Gorilla-760803.jpg

Sorry to say that to the soccer moms who carry their "little babies"
around...

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhY0tIHKLOC6O0QO_bYHHPTe722_bhAMHVlc71Id_IvmiakTc27x3uiPz6CYppzh7L8DOyU8IVj_Sp6SsXpQTjDr-6s4GU7OF_VcCXbZE5sodwgrL_iAhSuhC6u0mZeZ9fr8THRo47DGWs/s400/baby+gorilla.jpg

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 2:11 pm
From: softandmicroey

I often am online from the library, atleast temporarily without home
internet. Where are the cool action games that run in firefox without
requiring downloads (obviously not available from most public
libraries?)

Any help appreciated,
Matt

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Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 3:02 pm
From: Anonymous

Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.

They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and contents smell bad and hot to the touch.

I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about poor service of UPS.

What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this situation if I complain?

Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal recourse through a consumer law attorney?

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