Frugal Living: Jun 22, 2010

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TOPIC: TSA shaving mirror out of a hard disk drive (what are those shiny
platters made out of anyway)?
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 21 2010 11:12 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC), Elmo
<dcdraftworks@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:

>What are the shiny CDROM-sized platters in an old desktop disk drive made
>out of?
>
>I glued two of them together so that the offset covered the center hole to
>use as an indestructable traveling shaving mirror.
>
>A friend said they won't pass TSA security but they're not sharp. They are
>just really shiny and really flat.
>
>What are they made out of anyway?

I've taken them apart but I didnt' try bending them. If you really
think the tsa will complain, bring another one you can bend for them.
Maybe that will help, if they really do complain. Or bend the double
one you're bringing and use the bent part as a stand.

On Leno tonight, Headlines. someone was photographing a pedestrian,
but he turned his head away and put a file folder between his head and
the camera. Unfortunately the glass window behind him gave a perfect
reflection. Something he might not have known from his vantage
point!

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 7:47 am
From: info_at_1-script_dot_com@foo.com (DA)

responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/TSA-shaving-mirror-out-of-a-hard-disk-drive-what-are-those-448822-.htm
DA wrote:

Elmo wrote:

> What are the shiny CDROM-sized platters in an old desktop disk drive
> made
> out of?

> I glued two of them together so that the offset covered the center hole
> to
> use as an indestructable traveling shaving mirror.

> A friend said they won't pass TSA security but they're not sharp. They
> are
> just really shiny and really flat.

> What are they made out of anyway?

A bit of a strange choice of material for *traveling* shaving mirror (and
shape, too: how do you hold it while shaving?) - there are plastic mirrors
that are brighter and lighter. You'd think weight would be an important
parameter for a traveler...

But I think TSA should definitely have an issue with you bringing it into
the cabin (why do you need a shaving mirror there anyways? Half the wall
space in a lavatory not enough?) . If it's a ceramic platter, it should be
able to shutter into very sharp shards useful for well, I don't know,
slashing someone's throat to hijack a plane?

Leave it at home.

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== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 8:48 am
From: N8N

On Jun 22, 2:12 am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC), Elmo
>
> <dcdraftwo...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
> >What are the shiny CDROM-sized platters in an old desktop disk drive made
> >out of?
>
> >I glued two of them together so that the offset covered the center hole to
> >use as an indestructable traveling shaving mirror.
>
> >A friend said they won't pass TSA security but they're not sharp. They are
> >just really shiny and really flat.
>
> >What are they made out of anyway?
>
> I've taken them apart but I didnt' try bending them. If you really
> think the tsa will complain, bring another one you can bend for them.
> Maybe that will help, if they really do complain. Or bend the double
> one you're bringing and use the bent part as a stand.
>
> On Leno tonight, Headlines. someone was photographing a pedestrian,
> but he turned his head away and put a file folder between his head and
> the camera. Unfortunately the glass window behind him gave a perfect
> reflection. Something he might not have known from his vantage
> point!

Any HDD I've taken apart I'd be concerned about from a safety
standpoint... the platters don't "bend" at all, and if you try too
forcefully they will explode into a whole mess of tiny, sharp shards.
Good if you're trying to destroy one that you're decommissioning; not
so good if you've packed it with your underwear.

nate

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 8:55 am
From: mm

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:48:40 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njnagel@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 22, 2:12�am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 04:48:56 +0000 (UTC), Elmo
>>
>> <dcdraftwo...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
>> >What are the shiny CDROM-sized platters in an old desktop disk drive made
>> >out of?
>>
>> >I glued two of them together so that the offset covered the center hole to
>> >use as an indestructable traveling shaving mirror.
>>
>> >A friend said they won't pass TSA security but they're not sharp. They are
>> >just really shiny and really flat.
>>
>> >What are they made out of anyway?
>>
>> I've taken them apart but I didnt' try bending them. �If you really
>> think the tsa will complain, bring another one you can bend for them.
>> Maybe that will help, if they really do complain. �Or bend the double
>> one you're bringing and use the bent part as a stand.
>>
>> On Leno tonight, Headlines. someone was photographing a pedestrian,
>> but he turned his head away and put a file folder between his head and
>> the camera. �Unfortunately the glass window behind him gave a perfect
>> reflection. � Something he might not have known from his vantage
>> point!
>
>Any HDD I've taken apart I'd be concerned about from a safety
>standpoint... the platters don't "bend" at all, and if you try too
>forcefully they will explode into a whole mess of tiny, sharp shards.

I retract my suggestion.

Did they teach you the word potsherd in high school, or did you read
the word in museums, regarding broken things found at excavations of
ancient man?

For decades my brother and I both pronounced the word pots herd,
until one day I looked at it and realized it was pot sherd.

>Good if you're trying to destroy one that you're decommissioning; not
>so good if you've packed it with your underwear.
>
>nate

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 2:09 pm
From: Elmo

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:47:23 +0000, DA wrote:
> A bit of a strange choice of material for *traveling* shaving mirror

We must be talking about different things because these two CDROM-sized
mirrors are extremely light - you can barley feel them in your hands. No
mirror I've ever seen in my life is this light. Or as indestructible.

As for traveling, the two platters glued together are really shiny and
extremely light and they don't break when I drop them and they're exactly
the right oblong size (when glued together offset) for a face ... so it's a
PERFECT traveling shaving mirror IMHO.

I've had glass mirrors (which obviously shatter); I've had plastic mirrors
(which scratch too easily and aren't all that reflective; and I've had even
used nicely handled old round concave (or are they convex?)
Japanese-motorcycle mirrors (which eventually broke due to the glass).

Most store-bought mirrors have more "frame" in them than mirror, whereas
these mirrors are 100% mirror without any frame or handle to have to carry.
Many store-bought mirrors come apart after repeated use in the shower (I
always shave in the shower).

So far, I can't think of a more perfect traveling shower-shaving mirror ...
as long as the TSA will let it through.

Based on the responsese so far, I'm guessing, since the material is non
magnetic, and it's certainly not glass, that it must be extremely highly
polished aluminum.

What are these polished aluminum platters used for anyway (in the HDD)?

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 2:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Elmo wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:47:23 +0000, DA wrote:
>> A bit of a strange choice of material for *traveling* shaving mirror
>
> We must be talking about different things because these two
> CDROM-sized mirrors are extremely light - you can barley feel them in
> your hands. No mirror I've ever seen in my life is this light. Or as
> indestructible.
>
> As for traveling, the two platters glued together are really shiny and
> extremely light and they don't break when I drop them and they're
> exactly the right oblong size (when glued together offset) for a face
> ... so it's a PERFECT traveling shaving mirror IMHO.
>
> I've had glass mirrors (which obviously shatter); I've had plastic
> mirrors (which scratch too easily and aren't all that reflective; and
> I've had even used nicely handled old round concave (or are they
> convex?) Japanese-motorcycle mirrors (which eventually broke due to
> the glass).
>
> Most store-bought mirrors have more "frame" in them than mirror,
> whereas these mirrors are 100% mirror without any frame or handle to
> have to carry. Many store-bought mirrors come apart after repeated
> use in the shower (I always shave in the shower).
>
> So far, I can't think of a more perfect traveling shower-shaving
> mirror ... as long as the TSA will let it through.
>
> Based on the responsese so far, I'm guessing, since the material is
> non magnetic, and it's certainly not glass, that it must be extremely
> highly polished aluminum.
>
> What are these polished aluminum platters used for anyway (in the HDD)?

They have a very thin oxide coating on them for the magnetic surface.

They are so highly polished because they need to be very smooth since
the heads fly so close to the surface so the magnetic domains are as
small as possible so the bit density is as high as possible.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 2:51 pm
From: Elmo

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:30:51 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> They are so highly polished because they need to be very smooth since
> the heads fly so close to the surface so the magnetic domains are as
> small as possible so the bit density is as high as possible.

I thought they were reflective mirrors for the lasers or something.

I didn't realize these were the actual magnetic material. They are soooo
smooth and shiny. I expected concentric circular lines of something or
other like the bottom of a CDROM or DVD once it has been burned.

These platters are so polished that you can't make out a single bit of
"thin oxide" coating. Shinier than any metal or plastic mirror I've ever
seen and more indestructible than glass.

In short, they're the perfect wet-shower traveling mirror if TSA will allow
them through.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Elmo wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote

>> They are so highly polished because they need to be very smooth
>> since the heads fly so close to the surface so the magnetic domains
>> are as small as possible so the bit density is as high as possible.

> I thought they were reflective mirrors for the lasers or something.

Nope, there are no lasers inside those hard drives.

Nope, there are no visible lines unless the drive has had a head crash.

> These platters are so polished that you can't make out a single bit of
> "thin oxide" coating. Shinier than any metal or plastic mirror I've ever seen

Yes, thats the result of that very perfect surface.

> and more indestructible than glass.

Some were in fact made of glass.

> In short, they're the perfect wet-shower traveling mirror if TSA will allow them through.

I wouldnt like to predict what some trained ape will make of them.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:37 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <hvr8q8$lf$1@tioat.net>, dcdraftworks@Use-Author-
Supplied-Address.invalid says...

> What are these polished aluminum platters used for
> anyway (in the HDD)?

That's where the data is stored. In little magnetic spots.

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== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 4:18 pm
From: dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt)

In article <hvrb8a$1i5$1@tioat.net>,
Elmo <dcdraftworks@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:

>I didn't realize these were the actual magnetic material. They are soooo
>smooth and shiny. I expected concentric circular lines of something or
>other like the bottom of a CDROM or DVD once it has been burned.
>
>These platters are so polished that you can't make out a single bit of
>"thin oxide" coating. Shinier than any metal or plastic mirror I've ever
>seen and more indestructible than glass.

Older drives did use an oxide (like "ferric" magnetic tape cassettes).

Newer drives, such as the one which donated its platters for your
mirror, have a more complex magnetic recording layer. It's a complex
coating of alloys, vacuum-deposited on the polished aluminum (or glass
or ceramic) surface using a process known as sputtering. The
resulting magnetic layer has an extremely fine "grain" structure,
which allows for small magnetic domains and thus lots of storage per
area.

You won't be able to see the lines which make up the individual data
tracks... they aren't physically carved or burned into the magnetic
coating, and consist only of varying patterns of magnetism.

Yes, the surface is very smooth and shiny. It needs to be - the disk
drive heads "fly" over the surface, at a height far less than the
diameter of a human hair. Even a particle of cigarette smoke is too
big to fit between the "flying head" and the surface.

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TOPIC: Fueling your car with natural gas from home
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:02 am
From: ".."

Dear Everyone,
as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while
the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil is
causing wars, terror, oil spills, a lot of greenhouse gases. Do you
know that there is plenty of natural gas ? The
supply will last for many decades, probably for hundred years. A lot
of methane (natural gas) is found as shale gas,
a lot more will come from methane hidrates. Natural gas is causing
much less greenhouse gases and since it is found
locally, it will not cause any wars or terror. It will create jobs in
your own country and not in the middle east.
Do you know that by converting your car to natural gas, you can save a
lot of money ? It costs a lot lot less. You
may say that there are not enough gas stations, but you can fuel at
home* over night. You also should convert your
car to dual fuel, that means if your natural gas tank is empty you can
switch to petrol, until you find a gas station.
And the more people switch to natural gas, the more natural gas
stations will be built, otherwise they can not earn
money. Do you know that in Argentina there are almost 2 million CNG
(compressed natural gas vehicles), also in Pakistan
and Brazil there are more than 1,5 million CNG vehicles, whereas in
the US there are not even 200000 of them, although
most of the shale gas is found in the USA.

Sources:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-08-natural-gas-usat_N.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_vehicle
* http://www.tulsagastech.com/phill.html

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 4:02 am
From: "GREEN MONSTER"

is that like "spare tire" something you have for emergencies and therefore
would never turn over in case you needed it yourself.

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> anything like "Spare Change"?
> --
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 9:11 am
From: Derald

"GREEN MONSTER" <GM@GM.GM> wrote:

>is that like "spare tire" something you have for emergencies and therefore
>would never turn over in case you needed it yourself.
That's "spare time", isn't it?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 9:11 am
From: Derald

VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

>anything like "Spare Change"?
LOL! Both are concepts I never really have understood

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TOPIC: Cine Star Bipasa Bed Room Videos In All Angles.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 5:22 am
From: Bipasa

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Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 6:04 am
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TOPIC: The Americanization of the World
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6f48285144a7baef?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 6:12 am
From: JimmyMac

On Jun 21, 5:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:67208847-37d6-46db-a6af-f7577deb44ef@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> TIBETAN MONKEY ... you are obviously a bright guy but one who
> seemingly has too much time on his hands. You apparently believe it is
> your imperative to enlighten the readership. To such ends, you
> hijacked this newsgroup to serve as your own personal soapbox and
> virtually morphed it into a blog in the process.
> [...]
>
> Jim, you have hit the nail on the head. TM is worse than a troll. He is
> blogger at the expense of the newsgroup. I just delete all of his posts and
> never read them, unless I see a response from someone I know. TM is a
> complete waste of one's time and he is a poor crazy bastard besides. Fuck
> him all the way to Hell and back!

I made two minor corrections to the quoted text. Truth be told, I
could have just as easily made the same observation of you at one
time, but TM has since surpassed you in the hijacking of the
newsgroup. Apparently, TM uncontrollably is driven to be heard and
has found the ideal medium for that purpose .. an unmonitored forum
that he can SPAM with his personal philosophy regarding any and every
topic of his own choosing. The name for the newsgroup should be
changed to alt.TM.soapbox. Averaging more that 1600 post per month
since the beginning of the year with 9 days still remaining in June.
At some time in the future, you may be in danger of being eclipsed as
the most prolific poster.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 8:16 am
From: George

On 6/21/2010 6:40 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac"<jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:67208847-37d6-46db-a6af-f7577deb44ef@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> TIBETAN MONKEY ... you are obviously a bright guy but one who
> seemingly has too much time on his hands. You seemingly believe it is
> his imperative to enlighten the readership. To such ends, you
> hijacked this newsgroup to serve as your own personal soapbox and
> virtually morphed it into a blog in the process.
> [...]
>
> Jim, you have hit the nail on the head. TM is worse than a troll. He is
> blogger at the expense of the newsgroup. I just delete all of his posts and
> never read them, unless I see a response from someone I know. TM is a
> complete waste of one's time and he is a poor crazy bastard besides. Fuck
> him all the way to Hell and back!

pot-kettle...

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:05 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 22, 9:12 am, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 5:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:67208847-37d6-46db-a6af-f7577deb44ef@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > [...]
>
> > TIBETAN MONKEY ... you are obviously a bright guy but one who
> > seemingly has too much time on his hands. You apparently believe it is
> > your imperative to enlighten the readership. To such ends, you
> > hijacked this newsgroup to serve as your own personal soapbox and
> > virtually morphed it into a blog in the process.
> > [...]
>
> > Jim, you have hit the nail on the head. TM is worse than a troll. He is
> > blogger at the expense of the newsgroup. I just delete all of his posts and
> > never read them, unless I see a response from someone I know. TM is a
> > complete waste of one's time and he is a poor crazy bastard besides. Fuck
> > him all the way to Hell and back!
>
> I made two minor corrections to the quoted text. Truth be told, I
> could have just as easily made the same observation of you at one
> time, but TM has since surpassed you in the hijacking of the
> newsgroup. Apparently, TM uncontrollably is driven to be heard and
> has found the ideal medium for that purpose .. an unmonitored forum
> that he can SPAM with his personal philosophy regarding any and every
> topic of his own choosing. The name for the newsgroup should be
> changed to alt.TM.soapbox. Averaging more that 1600 post per month
> since the beginning of the year with 9 days still remaining in June.
> At some time in the future, you may be in danger of being eclipsed as
> the most prolific poster.

What's the Guinness world record anyway?

I really don't spend that much time trying to inundate you with my
posts, just that this the recycling place (or dumping ground, if you
will) for other groups where I'm very much welcome.

As you may have noticed my subjects are God, bicycles, traffic,
monkeys, and lately hammocks and birds.

But if you think about it, I provide the only hope for bicycles being
mainstream in America or at least in the Third World.

By the way, did you ever think of the Eagle being a predator that
leaves no room for the small intelligent birds, such as the parakeets?
(mine are sooo cute)

"Who can not notice the similarity to Rome's imperial eagle (above),
nor the message of imperialism that the classic American eagle now
suggests?"

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/eagles.html

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:13 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 21, 11:23 am, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From my own personal experience, I would have to concur with the
> validity of your observations, but your focus is one of a myopic
> visionary. IN the greater scheme of things, global Americanization is
> pretty much yesterday's news and Americanization is far less of a
> danger to the world than is the next alternative wave of "ization"
> poised to replace it ... Islamization. Islam is diametrically opposed
> the values that are the very foundation of Western civilization ...
> humanism, Christianity, Graco-Roman culture and, most important of
> all< liberty.

They don't have the money, they don't have SUVs, they don't have Gated
Communities, they don't the military might, they don't have a viable
way of life for the West and they don't have Hollywood to make the
kids behave in a certain pattern (usually violent).

By far we are the problem. Add to the above the threat our predatory
ways represent to the environment.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:29 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2667521a-ecad-44ea-b6fe-df4ecda3d498@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 21, 5:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:67208847-37d6-46db-a6af-f7577deb44ef@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> TIBETAN MONKEY ... you are obviously a bright guy but one who
> seemingly has too much time on his hands. You apparently believe it is
> your imperative to enlighten the readership. To such ends, you
> hijacked this newsgroup to serve as your own personal soapbox and
> virtually morphed it into a blog in the process.
> [...]
>
> Jim, you have hit the nail on the head. TM is worse than a troll. He is
> blogger at the expense of the newsgroup. I just delete all of his posts
> and
> never read them, unless I see a response from someone I know. TM is a
> complete waste of one's time and he is a poor crazy bastard besides. Fuck
> him all the way to Hell and back!

>> I made two minor corrections to the quoted text. Truth be told, I
could have just as easily made the same observation of you at one
time, but TM has since surpassed you in the hijacking of the
newsgroup. Apparently, TM uncontrollably is driven to be heard and
has found the ideal medium for that purpose .. an unmonitored forum
that he can SPAM with his personal philosophy regarding any and every
topic of his own choosing. The name for the newsgroup should be
changed to alt.TM.soapbox. Averaging more that 1600 post per month
since the beginning of the year with 9 days still remaining in June.
At some time in the future, you may be in danger of being eclipsed as
the most prolific poster.

TM is just writing to himself. No one with any brains will ever respond to
him. That is because he is a poor crazy bastard and that is all he is.

My posts cannot be compared to any others, not even to Tom Sherman's. Mr.
Sherman has become nothing but a quipster. His posts never amount to much.
On the other hand, my posts are always responsive and contain content as
well as wit. Bottom line ... there is no substitute for intelligence.
Writing ability also counts, but in the end it is intelligence that matters.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 6:40 am
From: "h"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hvpiu1$vif$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 06/21/10 16:26, h wrote:
>
>> "Artys"<lajolie@GMI.net> wrote in message news:45b3d26c-4dc8-45cb-b193-
>>
>>>Eventually I began putting the dishes in a refrigerator drawer, until
>>>time to put them in the dishwasher.
>>
>> You're kidding, right?
>
> Why should (s)he be kidding? I wash dishes by hand and put them in the
> oven to dry.
>
Because he's putting DIRTY dishes in his fridge. Apparently he has time to
put them in the fridge but not time to put them in the dishwasher. That
lingering odor must be troll. No one would really do that.

And why would you put wet dishes in your oven? Weird. Is it too hard to put
them in a dish drainer on the counter or dry them with a towel?

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TOPIC: Monkeys launch coup d'etat!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 3:41 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

(Dedicated to the few intelligent cyclists still alive out there, not
to the ones that deny evolution and revolution)

On Jun 22, 2:35 pm, DanP <dan.pe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 1:55 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The title is not my own, but rather taken from the link below. Notice
> > the warriors are squirrels ("tree rats," the bad guys) and the little
> > birds, who are, of course, the good guys...
>
> >http://www.wildbirdsforever.com/antisql.html
>
> > What do you do, wipe out the tree rats? No way, NONVIOLENCE is my way.
> > The smart way to do it is to put a screen small enough to keep the
> > squirrels and bigger birds out.
>
> Don't trust monkeys:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/animals/animals-headlines/asian-monkey-...
>
> DanP

The monkeys have been ignored under "democracy" and "communism" alike,
have been denied their rightful place in evolution and have been in
the cage, unable to exercise or have fun. It was only a matter a time
before they took over...

I quote the text in its entirety...

ASIAN MONKEY COUP
MONKEYS controlled much of eastern Asia last night after launching a
series of swift and ruthless coups d'état.

The rebellion began in China when three monkeys turned on their
trainer and beat him with his own stick. Within hours monkeys across
the continent were seizing control through a combination of airborne
faeces and badly driven tanks.

Police stations in Indonesia and southern Thailand were last night in
monkey hands, while a troop of Sri Lankan spider monkeys has taken
over the state broadcaster and another controls the country's railway
network.

The rebellion is being directed by a highly intelligent two-year old
Indian macaque, already dubbed 'Chico the monkey Hitler'.

In Singapore a local police chief returned to work after lunch to find
eight monkeys jumping all over his desk. He tried to coax them by
making friendly noises and offering them peanuts. Two hours later he
appeared cowering in a window with a gun to his head.

Monkey expert Dr Tom Logan, said: "Monkeys are sociable creatures who
spend their days playing, foraging for berries, and grooming each
other. But don't fuck with them 'cause they will shoot you."

At the United Nations in New York, monkey countries appealed
desperately to non-monkey countries for help.

Indian ambassador Rajeev Chandra held up a large photo of a police car
covered in monkeys, adding: "They tried driving it but one of them set
off the siren and they all scattered, before slowly coming back and
trying again.

"Eventually they are going to get the hang of it."

-------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Never tease the monkey. Better spank the monkey"

http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE (spank the monkey)

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TOPIC: Drive from Phoenix to Dallas Texas: Cost to rent car to do so?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 6:20 pm
From: me@privacy.net

I'm wanting to fly into Phoenix in abt a month, rent a
car, and drive it completely thru Arizona, New Mexico,
and Texas with final destination at Dallas TX.

I've only rented a car once in my life... and then it
was brought back to same place I stated at.

Can someone give me a rough estimate of what this may
cost?

I will check on the Net... but always like asking real
people for advice too.

Thanks

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 22 2010 7:16 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <25o226his9vl0e5m04d19lkp9mssgm16b3@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> I'm wanting to fly into Phoenix in abt a month, rent a
> car, and drive it completely thru Arizona, New Mexico,
> and Texas with final destination at Dallas TX.
>
> I've only rented a car once in my life... and then it
> was brought back to same place I stated at.
>
> Can someone give me a rough estimate of what this may
> cost?
>
> I will check on the Net... but always like asking real
> people for advice too.
>
> Thanks

Rough estimates are useless for this sort of thing. You really need to
do your own research.

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