Sunday, December 6, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 20 new messages in 10 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* Indoor diy barbeques - 8 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c79a680d8ecce233?hl=en
* going green isn't cheap - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9b702cb27771693f?hl=en
* Krackpot Ray Keller gets caught in his lies, public records tell the tale -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df30389fcba1b11e?hl=en
* Friend, are you giving up? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/92a8dba8d4b70c1d?hl=en
* United Parcel Service Holiday Helper Scam - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4e54eae4edbb2648?hl=en
* Frugal living in Russia as management goes homeless - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d865ce2beadf6228?hl=en
* Lifting a person - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f903bdaac4c54dc2?hl=en
* The healthcare bill is so bad - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/184b71b3f6f3da1f?hl=en
* Watch Hollywood Movies Dubbed in Hindi online? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cc530d35ad423a87?hl=en
* Thrift stores - rising prices? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c91042ccabd6f95f?hl=en

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TOPIC: Indoor diy barbeques
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c79a680d8ecce233?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 12:24 pm
From: Rod


Tony Sivori wrote:
> [follow up set to misc.consumers.frugal-living]
> Rod wrote:
>> One of the reasons for not having indoor barbies is that burning
>> charcoal can produce carbon monoxide which is somewhat poisonous.
>
> Consider that lethal exposure is 800 Parts Per Million for two hours,
> maximum permissible is 30 PPM, and the recommended level is zero. I'd say
> it is more than somewhat poisonous.
>
OK. So the affinity of carbon monoxide for haemoglobin is around 700
times that of oxygen and instead of forming a loose 'association' it
forms a stable compound, carboxyhaemoglobin.

(Or that is how I remember it.)

Agreed. Horribly poisonous.

--
Rod


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 1:28 pm
From: "ViLco"


Ophelia wrote:

>> Oh yes, make it an obligatory celebratory occasion by order of
the
>> Queen that every UKer light their indoor charcoal burner at
midnight
>> of New Years Eve and crawl into bed... get rid of all yoose
stench
>> breathed rotted teeth brit bastards in one fell swoop! <G>
>> Ahahahahahahaha. . . .

> Awwwwwwwww come on now SHELDUMB! You know you would miss me:))

A redident troll is a resient troll, LOL, and Shelly's really good
at that
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano
Anche tu puoi diventare lesbica se lecchi il tappeto


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 1:43 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon


We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember brooklyn1 <gravesend10@verizon.net>
saying something like:

>>
>Oh yes, make it an obligatory celebratory occasion by order of the
>Queen that every UKer light their indoor charcoal burner at midnight
>of New Years Eve and crawl into bed... get rid of all yoose stench
>breathed rotted teeth brit bastards in one fell swoop! <G>
>Ahahahahahahaha. . . .

Fucking retard.


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 1:36 pm
From: "Ophelia"


ViLco wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>>> Oh yes, make it an obligatory celebratory occasion by order of
> the
>>> Queen that every UKer light their indoor charcoal burner at midnight
>>> of New Years Eve and crawl into bed... get rid of all yoose
> stench
>>> breathed rotted teeth brit bastards in one fell swoop! <G>
>>> Ahahahahahahaha. . . .
>
>> Awwwwwwwww come on now SHELDUMB! You know you would miss me:))
>
> A redident troll is a resient troll, LOL, and Shelly's really good
> at that

<g>


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 4:40 pm
From: "The Medway Handyman"


geoff wrote:
> In message <16ySm.12231$Ym4.4993@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The
> Medway Handyman <davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> geoff wrote:
>>> In message <hfdmol$6db$1@news.eternal-september.org>, sam coleridge
>>> <invalidtotal@mail.invalid> writes
>>>> In the far east recently I saw tiny barbeques about ten inches
>>>> square, the base being made from what i think was some kind of clay
>>>> and had a stainless steel rack to sit on the top.
>>>>
>>>> They could easily be placed on a kitchen hob, so that you could
>>>> have an indoor barbi.
>>>>
>>>> They were too heavy to bring one home. I'm wondering if anyone has
>>>> seen them for sale in the u.k.?
>>>>
>>>> Or if anybody had adapted anything to make a miniature barbeque
>>>> that one could use indoors in the kitchen placed on the gas hob?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Have you never noticed the amount of smoke and burning fat generated
>>> by a BBQ ?
>>
>> Would that be why we use them outside Geoff?
>>
>>
> Err yes - did you miss the point ?

No, just wanted confirmation that my 4 burner BBQ which generates large
quantities of smoke and burning fat should be used outside.

:-)

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 5:07 pm
From: geoff


In message <J3DSm.12382$Ym4.7954@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The Medway
Handyman <davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> writes
>geoff wrote:
>> In message <16ySm.12231$Ym4.4993@text.news.virginmedia.com>, The
>> Medway Handyman <davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>> geoff wrote:
>>>> In message <hfdmol$6db$1@news.eternal-september.org>, sam coleridge
>>>> <invalidtotal@mail.invalid> writes
>>>>> In the far east recently I saw tiny barbeques about ten inches
>>>>> square, the base being made from what i think was some kind of clay
>>>>> and had a stainless steel rack to sit on the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> They could easily be placed on a kitchen hob, so that you could
>>>>> have an indoor barbi.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were too heavy to bring one home. I'm wondering if anyone has
>>>>> seen them for sale in the u.k.?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or if anybody had adapted anything to make a miniature barbeque
>>>>> that one could use indoors in the kitchen placed on the gas hob?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Have you never noticed the amount of smoke and burning fat generated
>>>> by a BBQ ?
>>>
>>> Would that be why we use them outside Geoff?
>>>
>>>
>> Err yes - did you miss the point ?
>
>No, just wanted confirmation that my 4 burner BBQ which generates large
>quantities of smoke and burning fat should be used outside.
>
Unless you're a septic ...Yes


--
geoff


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 5:45 pm
From: Arri London


sam coleridge wrote:
>
> In the far east recently I saw tiny barbeques about ten inches square, the
> base being made from what i think was some kind of clay and had a stainless
> steel rack to sit on the top.
>
> They could easily be placed on a kitchen hob, so that you could have an
> indoor barbi.
>
> They were too heavy to bring one home. I'm wondering if anyone has seen
> them for sale in the u.k.?
>
> Or if anybody had adapted anything to make a miniature barbeque that one
> could use indoors in the kitchen placed on the gas hob?

If you go to a Turkish/Middle Eastern supermarket in London (or
elsewhere), there will be metal contraptions meant for grilling kebabs
over charcoal.

Just make certain to have good ventilation if using coals. No idea if
they will work over a hob though.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 6:56 pm
From: "Bill"


Might want to ask your insurance company, the fire department, and the
hospital emergency room (or morgue) if this is a good idea.

d-i-y means no attention paid to building codes or safety many times...

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TOPIC: going green isn't cheap
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9b702cb27771693f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 6:19 pm
From: AzzMazta


On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:01 -0500, sr wrote:

> Anthony Faiola: Germany pays the price to go green

If protecting the environment was as cheap and easy as ignoring it
companies would do it instantly because it's great press. They already do
when it's not much of a loss.

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
http://www.youtube.com/apinst/

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TOPIC: Krackpot Ray Keller gets caught in his lies, public records tell the
tale
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df30389fcba1b11e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 6:47 pm
From: "I M @ good guy"


On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:08:08 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and
Light <ye_olde_muleskinner@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:09:14 -0500, "I M @ good guy" <I_m@good.guy> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:15:31 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and Light <ye_olde_muleskinner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"there was nothing exposed"
>>>
>>>http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks
>>
>>
>> Open Left? Does that mean ...
>
>That means you can't dispute what the link says,
>so you're descending into ad hominem fallacy.
>
>> Anybody who calls an AGW skeptic a denier
>
>"The reasons for using the term "skeptics" to identify some of those
>who question climate science and "deniers" for others":
>
>http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/

A blog, an opinion, of an NGO person?

http://platform.people4earth.org/group/ngo

Is that it, one person?

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/about/


and he presents graphs of temperature history?


>>... an arrogant fool, there is no truth...
>
>You believe that human activities can't affect global climate,
>but you have no evidence for your belief.


There is no global climate, climate is just
typical local weather.


>>if laws are broken.
>
>Is it legal to steal emails, in your 'world'?


No, are you sure anything was stolen,
maybe Jones decided he could get world sympathy
if he sacrificed his career.

>"Why Climate Denialists are Blind to Facts and Reason: The Role of Ideology"
>
>http://www.celsias.com/article/why-climate-denialists-are-blind-facts-and-reason/
>
>See also:
>
>http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html


Well John didn't write the crackpot index
about AGW skeptics.

Even woger states that it is more a case
of nights not as cold as warmer days.


But I am like Donald Duck, I don't give
a darn, except before you ask me to pay
more taxes, give me a better reason than
a sultry night.

I have been interested in alternate
energy for 40 years, but even the architects
and heating engineers are not really into
reducing space heating fuel use, at least
not until recently more shallow geothermal
is being installed, but I can't afford that or
even justify the economics at my age.

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TOPIC: Friend, are you giving up?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/92a8dba8d4b70c1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 8:06 pm
From: RW


Dear Friend,

It frustrates me when I see people get fooled by get-rich-quick
scheme websites on the Internet. And believe me, there are tons
of them out there, waiting to snatch some victims.

What about you, Friend?

Are you one of the victims? Are you giving up your financial
freedom?

Please don't.

Allow me to share with you some important truths that are
essential to your internet success (and possibly to your
mental well-being!).

Don't go chasing every internet marketing rabbit trail.

The internet is literally so big, and there are so many
marketers trying to make a quick buck from YOU, that you
could spend ALL day, every day just chasing illusions of
internet riches.

If you only chase after those hyped up illusions every day,
then you will NEVER find what you're looking for.

There does come a point where you have to take a small leap
of faith and "try" something. In other words, you will have
to do some work.

The problem is, whose method should you try? After all, your
time is valuable and you don't want to waste it on hype.

The best advice I can give you is to find someone who has done
it already, and do what they do. I'm not talking about someone
who "says" they know some secret method. I'm talking about
someone who IS making money.

That person could be me, or it could be another internet
marketer that you've grown to trust. The bottom line is,
there's just too much crap out there for anyone to find
the right way on their own. It took me years to find the
right way, and today there's exponentially more hype and
junk on the internet than when I started.

If I had to do it all over again today, starting with zero
knowledge, I'd be totally lost.

Thankfully, there's a simple program that's going to save
your time and money.

It's called "Legit Online Jobs."
http://legitonlinejobs.2fortune.com/

"Legit Online Jobs" has been in business since January 2005.
HonestEonline.com, Trust-Guard.com and Truste.org have
*PERSONALLY* reviewed this program and said it is not
hype - it's the real deal.

Finally! :)

Please, don't waste your time on programs that don't work
for you. There are so many opportunities out there that
there's no need for you to waste your time on the ones
that aren't working.

I hope that this advice will put you into the right frame
of mind as you read this letter.

Have a great day!

R.W.
http://legitonlinejobs.2fortune.com/

P.S. There's also a proof of income that I'd like to show
you on the website with glowing testimonials from our members.
You owe it to yourself to at least check it out.

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TOPIC: United Parcel Service Holiday Helper Scam
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4e54eae4edbb2648?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 8:23 pm
From: Playball


This Warning and Information Is Also Posted at the new Business,
Tourism and Community Development And UNLIMITED Promotional Events,
Ads and Articles website - Site595.com

For those of you looking to make extra money during the holidays, be
very cautious of the United Parcel Service so-called opportunities to
work as a Holiday Driver's Helper.

I applied and was hired as a Driver's Helper and I will admit it was
told to me and all of us up front during an orientation meeting that
we might be working every single day. Be aware that there is not much
information as to the amount of hours one would be able to work and no
information I could find as to the rate of pay.

After the initial orientation you are notified that you have been
hired and are required to attend mandatory training. It is at this
time when we were told of all the great opportunities for working and
making some nice side money over the holidays. In fact we were told
that some new hires were actually taken from after the training and
put to work that very afternoon.

Now that United Parcel has you in training it is then and ONLY then
that you find out that you will be making a mere minimum wage. I work
out religiously in the gym five days a week, so the physical
requirements of the job did not hurt my feelings one bit. I get in a
work-out when I would be working. We then find out about the
appearance and clothing requirements. We have to have no-slip shoes in
black or brown and pants and certain color undershirts and a jacket
since it is obviously the winter season.

Upon completion of a nearly three hour training class we were all
informed that there were no pants and shirts available for the
"required" uniforms. The jacket was not thicker than a common wind-
breaker so since you were required to conform to the clothing
standards, you did not find out until the last minute that you would
have to go out with you own money and buy what amounted to about 80%
of the uniform with no reimbursement offered by United Parcel Service.

You were also told that if you wanted to work you had better be close
to a phone and available between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 a.m. each morning
Monday through Friday. We were told dispatch would contact us and tell
us where and when to meet the drivers.

Well friends, as it turns out the entire process turned out to be very
mis-leading and costly both in time and in money and here is why.

I had to buy thermal underclothes and pants as I had nothing in the
"required" colors and as stated before only a wind-breaker jacket was
furnished.

The first two days I stayed next to my telephone / cell for almost
eight hours waiting for a call for work. At about 9:25 a.m. on the
second day I was finally called and offered a measly four hours of
work in an area twelve miles from my requested area of work. All this
at minimum wage.

My theory is, is that UPS over-hires for Holiday Driver's Helpers
thereby saturating the job pool. When it gets busy they have a bunch
of chumps like me to chose from and we all have to share in a smaller
piece of the pie as concerns hours available for work. When initially
we are told that we have the opportunity to work anywhere from eight
to twelve hours per day.

So in summary, it has been my unfortunate experience that:

If you want to spend your own money buying your own "required" uniform
clothing with no reimbursement and no actual uniform and:

If you want to spend your own "required" time without getting paid
sitting next to your telephone or cell phone waiting for a call that
may or may not come that day to report for work and:

If you want to find out that you are offered only a small number of
hours to work at minimum wage when it has been promoted to you that
you will be REALLY, REALLY, REALLY busy during the holiday rush then:

THIS PIECE-O-CRAP JOB IS FOR YOU!!!! ( If indeed you get to have much
of a job )

I calculated that even being fair to UPS and I was able to work even
six hours a day before Christmas Eve ( which you are "required" to
work ) that I would make a paltry four to five hundred dollars during
December 2009. What a joke. And UPS on their website advertises why
you should come to work for them rather than one of those boring
retail jobs. My son is working in retail part-time during the holidays
and gets steady hours and makes over a dollar more per hour than what
UPS pays.

I found the entire program to be extremely misleading and a borderline
scam. This is coming from someone who REALLY wanted to work. I turned
in the wind-breaker last Friday. To see what "Brown" can do for you, I
would advise you to FLUSH it as soon as possible as this really
stinks. Merry Christmas....NOT!!!

Playball - Placerville California

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TOPIC: Frugal living in Russia as management goes homeless
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d865ce2beadf6228?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 8:52 pm
From: "sr"

"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:b32f4dd9-30f7-4774-b0d7-ecbd376f2ce0@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> But lately, it has seemed to some residents to be ill fated. An
> Aeroflot plane from Moscow crashed on the outskirts of Perm in 2008 as
> it was landing, killing 88 people. In October, a video of an out-of-
> control bus ramming into numerous cars in Perm circulated widely on
> the Internet.
>
> Last month, the Perm police arrested three homeless men and charged
> them with killing another man, eating part of him and trying to sell
> the remainder to a restaurant
===
desperate time call for desperate measures

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TOPIC: Lifting a person
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f903bdaac4c54dc2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 8:54 pm
From: Dan Birchall


artsy6@gmail.com (aesthete8) wrote:
> On tv, there is an advertisement for these straps that you put under
> whatever you want to lift and--voila!--2 persons can lift the heaviest
> thing.
>
> Could that be adapted to transporting a person?

You don't need the straps for two people to carry a person. If you
take a First Aid course, or the more advanced First Responder course,
or search Google, you can learn about two-person carries.

--
"If you like to stand on your head and spit pickles in the snow, on the
Internet there are at least three other people just like you."
- Langston James Goree VI

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TOPIC: The healthcare bill is so bad
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/184b71b3f6f3da1f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 9:04 pm
From: "sr"


Rod, you know NOT of which you speak
You are showing your ignorance with each sentence you post on this
subject
Even our legislators do not know what is in this Bill, however, people that
are studing this bill,
are telling us, this is going to raise premiums, less coverage, more
regulations, less individual control,
Jail Time, Fines, and Medicare cuts for the old people.
Illegals will be covered, and much much more. None good.

the most telling: lawmakers do not want to be included.

Car ins. is not a good example. We choose to buy cars, We have no choice
with this ins.
there is no choice, no wiggle room. If we did not want to buy car ins. we
would not buy a car.so,
there is a choice. With personal insurance, it is mandatory with
regulations, and much much more
when wearing the YOKE put around our necks by the Liberals

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7nqhbrF3n0aglU1@mid.individual.net...
> Dave C. wrote:
>>>> Everybody will have to switch plans from whatever they currently
>>>> have, to a much more expensive plan. (assuming you already have
>>>> private health insurance) -Dave
>>>
>>> But that only applies to those making (what I think is) a lot of
>>> money. Those of us who have been hammered by the economy will not be
>>> required to buy insurance.
>>
>> You are confused. The only people NOT required to buy insurance under
>> the various bills being discussed is the people who are voting on the
>> bills. Unless you are a Senator (for example) YOU will be required to
>> buy insurance. If you can't vote on the bill, you will be required to
>> buy insurance when the bill passes.
>>
>>> We simply can't afford it and never will
>>> be able to.
>>
>> Then you will go to prison. I wish I'd made that up. But the penalty
>> for not being able to afford the mandatory insurance coverage is stiff
>> fines...and jail time.
>
> Another lie, just like it is with the current manditory insurance for
> cars.
>
>>> I make too much for the state-subsidized plan ($200/year
>>> too much) and much too little for the small-business-group to which I
>>> used to belong. They dumped me because my business didn't earn enough
>>> the past few years, not that I could have continued to pay the
>>> premiums anyway. Considering that I never once reached my deductible
>>> (only used it once in 5 years) I paid everything out of pocket anyway
>>> and flushed tens of thousands of $ down the drain, paying for someone
>>> else to receive healthcare.
>>
>> That's one bad thing about current private health insurance. It
>> doesn't pay a damned thing. If you are over your sky-high deductible,
>> they just think up some bullshit excuse to deny the claim so that you
>> end up paying for everything (EVERYTHING) out of pocket.
>
>> However, as I've said before, the various bills being discussed
>> are definitely a step (or 20) in the wrong direction.
>
> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.
>


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 9:06 pm
From: "sr"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7nt05dF3n3npoU1@mid.individual.net...
> Dave C. wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Dave C. wrote
>
>>>> Then you will go to prison. I wish I'd made that up.
>>>> But the penalty for not being able to afford the mandatory
>>>> insurance coverage is stiff fines...and jail time.
>
>>> Another lie, just like it is with the current manditory insurance for
>>> cars.
>
>> It's not a lie.
>
> Corse its a lie.
>
>> That's actually in the bill that the House passed.
>
> Pity that aint what the CONGRESS passed, so aint law.
>
>> If you can't afford the new mandatory health insurance,
>> you will pay a fine that you also can't afford.
>
> Another lie. There is quite explicit provision for those who cannot afford
> to pay.
>
>> Or you will go to jail.
>
> Doesnt say that either, you silly little pathological liar.
It does say in our news letter in big letters, Jail time .
You are in another country, so your voice isn't going to count for much


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 10:50 pm
From: "sr"


Government-runned Freddie Mac reports $6.3 billion LOSS in 3rd quarter.
How's that healthcare looking? http://bit.ly/1FeD8p

"Napoleon" <anarch@666yes.net> wrote in message
news:akjfh59q6fvj8akjpets9cekokmgp6l80k@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:06:32 +0800, "Dave C." <noway@nohow.never>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Medicare is going to be bankrupt in a few years. That's at current
>>funding levels for current subscribers. If you add hundreds of
>>millions of subscribers to medicare, nobody owns a calculator with
>>enough digits to calculate the cost of that. -Dave
>
> You raise taxes to pay for it.
>
> As you should to pay for the WARS! But people don't understand that.
> They think everything is free. What's wrong with paying your OWN tax
> money for your OWN health benefits? But Americans would rather send
> their tax money for imperialistic global wars (or should I say to
> China who funds our wars). Makes so much sense.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 10:51 pm
From: "sr"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4b1806ab$0$1598$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>h wrote:
>
>> Paranoid much? The actual proposals read pretty much like the MA current
>> laws, and under those (I don't live in MA) I would NOT have to buy
>> insurance. Even those who fail to buy it and can "afford it" (according
>> to the state) only pay a tax of less than $800 year. Jail time, are you
>> insane?
>
> He believes Faux News, as close to insane as you can get!
Not just Fox, local papers are giving us the facts

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TOPIC: Watch Hollywood Movies Dubbed in Hindi online?
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Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 9:18 pm
From: hussain dandan


/[.[List of hollywood movies dubbed in hindi... 30 Days of Night (In
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http://hollywood-moives.blogspot.com/
http://hollywood-moives.tk

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TOPIC: Thrift stores - rising prices?
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Date: Sat, Dec 5 2009 9:23 pm
From: Zuke


On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Lenona wrote:

> Recently, I heard a newscaster quote an anonymous female shopper as
> complaining that she'd been shopping in thrift stores all her life,
> but the prices were suddenly going up, apparently, because more and
> more people are using them these days.

I'd agree with that somewhat but it still varies from shop to
shop. I shop for records mostly and sometimes a manager gets it
into his or her head that records are incredibly valuable and
puts a $10 price tag on some worthless record. But then a month
or so later they don't sell so the prices all go back to 50 cents.

If I want something I'll buy it, even if it's a bit high since
the proceeds generally go to a good cause.

My philosphy is to make a regular rotation to all of the shops
in the area as it's always fun to see what shows up and people
are very nice in those places.

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