Thursday, October 21, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

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Today's topics:

* Fabric softener? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ef00feb942f38dd2?hl=en
* Home greenhouses: Worth having? - 8 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e84f93961447df89?hl=en
* choose your christmas handbags,leather handbags on bagalibaba.com - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3d4992f73694d2a3?hl=en
* PANTY ASS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/95af4b3092ec3445?hl=en
* EARN 30$/HOUR NEW CONCEPTS 100 % INSTANT PAYOUT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/256db80f3902c490?hl=en
* "Say goodbye to traditional free checking" (recent article) - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c90a657e56289987?hl=en
* "Cut your grocery bill with these 8 healthy ingredients for $1" - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6c98280efc0f49b2?hl=en
* EVANESCENCE LYRICS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/157127db07589a6b?hl=en
* How long does it take for God to go across the Universe? - 3 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/628745b33cbecab3?hl=en
* Mystery shopper scam - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7cebf59bbbb06189?hl=en
* While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c8669fcf3bad5b21?hl=en
* JESSICA SIMPSON Nude Photos --- New PHOTOSHOOT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5ef69587e15b1fdc?hl=en
* Does TM have a brain? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9f82bef43c904553?hl=en
* Buddha: "The best form to relax is sex!" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ec9f4db0ce159dfb?hl=en
* First Comes Christianity, Then Comes Obesity? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d5ac99938578b433?hl=en

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TOPIC: Fabric softener?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ef00feb942f38dd2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 5:53 pm
From: "The Henchman"


"Mrs Bonk" <arse@nospamcutey.com> wrote in message
news:8i8herFu7jU1@mid.individual.net...
> The Henchman wrote:
>> "Mrs Bonk" <arse@nospamcutey.com> wrote in message
>> news:8i6mm7FmgfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> How very nice to see some life in a.h.c.
>>> Many in this group have sworn by vinegar. Myself, if I want soft
>>> washing,
>>> I use my relations water, they live five miles away but have a different
>>> water provider. I never need conditioner there. At my home the water is
>>> so hard the washing is stiff as a board despite all sorts of
>>> conditioners
>>> being tried. When the washing is dry a hot iron will soften it - as long
>>> as the material is suitable.
>>
>>
>> Why not invest in a good water softener? We have a Ecowater brand 3500
>> series and it's wonderful. The dishwasher and washing machine require
>> far
>> less soap to perform their duties as well. Showers are shorter and
>> cheap
>> garbage soap lathers quite well with softened water.
>
> I don't know anyone who has a 'proper' ***water softener dear, they are
> not too popular hereabouts, I am not sure why not. I don't have a
> dishwasher and my washing machine uses automatic liquid or powder so no
> bubbles anyway. I also don't have a shower! Oh dear, you must think I am
> from a backward country. A handful of soda in the bath or a bath bomb
> works wonders - I HAVE invested in a mixer tap so hair washing is not such
> a problem. I think the hard water is healthier? It certainly tastes a lot
> different to the water across town, the tea there is awful, almost soapy.
> I am aware Yorkshire Tea makes tea bags specifically for hard OR soft
> water so I must try them out.


The orginal topic for this was fabric softener so I simply raved about a
water softener in that context. There are differening debates about the
health of water softeners but that doesn't fit into the topic of softer
fabrics.

I swear by water softeners for washing of clothing, and showering/bathing.
It's simply much easier on clothes and skin and require far less soap and
lathering to accomplish cleaning.

I'm in north Halton area of Ontario Canada. Most people here have water
softeners.

And no I \don't think you are from a backward country (or County even...)


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TOPIC: Home greenhouses: Worth having?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e84f93961447df89?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 8:57 pm
From: "Bob F"


me@privacy.net wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, but that doesnt fix the overnight heating problem.
>
> Ok point taken
>
> So you are saying that a small say 10 foot by 10 foot
> greenhouse cant contain enough "mass" in the concrete
> floor to radiate heat at night?

Of course it can, if you can reduce losses suficiently. That might not be
trivial.


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 10:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Bob F wrote
> me@privacy.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Sure, but that doesnt fix the overnight heating problem.

>> Ok point taken

>> So you are saying that a small say 10 foot by 10 foot
>> greenhouse cant contain enough "mass" in the concrete
>> floor to radiate heat at night?

> Of course it can, if you can reduce losses suficiently.

Nope, I do that with my house, and the short story is that not
enough of the thermal mass of the concrete gets heated enough
during the day to provide enough heat during the entire night.

Thats why the fancy system I was involved in controlling used
quite literally rooms full of rocks heated with a large solar air
heater, to get enough heat stored in the rooms full of road metal.

> That might not be trivial.

Yes, but that alone isnt enough even with say good insulation blankets
or thick sheets of polystyrene etc covering the greenhouse at night.

There just aint enough joules stored in the concrete last the night.


== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 3:55 am
From: Jeff Thies


On 10/19/2010 6:49 PM, me@privacy.net wrote:
> I've entertained the idea of building a small
> greenhouse attached to side of home.
>
> I would use it to capture heat in winter to help heat
> the home...as well as grow some of my own food.


Think sun space. You can open any windows connecting to the house and
get a little heat.

Otherwise it will be losing heat. Heating this at night for a
greenhouse will be expensive.

Thermal storage, is difficult. A drum of water will be the cheapest
and most effective, but it will take a lot to temper through the night.
I'd leave it as a daylight sunspace and close it down at night. You can
insulate anything not south facing or with a face that does not get much
light.

My current thinking, as far as frugal, is something like SunTuf as
the shell with mylar storms. Mylar is cheap and very transparent, but it
needs the UV shield of the SunTuf or whatever UV protected glazing you
use. That is what I will be doing with my solar cabana. It lived last
winter glazed in "clear" poly and with bubble wrap insulation. Balmy and
a delight when it was windy and freezing as long as the sun was shining.

Solar resources:
http://builditsolar.com/

Jeff

>
> Anyone doing that out there and can advise abt the
> feasibility of this idea?

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 4:20 am
From: Jeff Thies


On 10/20/2010 4:27 PM, me@privacy.net wrote:
> "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, but that doesnt fix the overnight heating problem.
>
> Ok point taken
>
> So you are saying that a small say 10 foot by 10 foot
> greenhouse cant contain enough "mass" in the concrete
> floor to radiate heat at night?

Yes. You can calculate this all yourself.

Calculate your losses. If you have 200SF of single glazing that is
about R1, and if you have a 30 F temp difference then that is 6000
BTU's/Hr. As much as (and more than) an electric space heater on high.
That's 144,000 BTU's a day

Concrete has specific heat of about .2 (water is 1). So to store
100,000 BTU's at 30F temp difference would take 17,000 lbs of concrete,
if you could get all the heat into the concrete. That is about 5 cubic
yards of concrete, 540 SF of a 6" thick slab.

Jeff

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 8:13 am
From: me@privacy.net


Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

>I'd leave it as a daylight sunspace and close it down at night.

This sounds like the best plan above.... and what I
should do.... thanks!


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 8:15 am
From: me@privacy.net


Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

>
>Solar resources:
>http://builditsolar.com/

Nice and CLEAN web page there Jeff!!


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 12:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Jeff Thies wrote
> me@privacy.net wrote
>> Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Sure, but that doesnt fix the overnight heating problem.

>> Ok point taken

>> So you are saying that a small say 10 foot by 10 foot
>> greenhouse cant contain enough "mass" in the concrete
>> floor to radiate heat at night?

More strictly that not enough of that concrete gets heated during the day.

> Yes. You can calculate this all yourself.

> Calculate your losses. If you have 200SF of single glazing that is
> about R1, and if you have a 30 F temp difference then that is 6000
> BTU's/Hr. As much as (and more than) an electric space heater on high.
> That's 144,000 BTU's a day

> Concrete has specific heat of about .2 (water is 1). So to store
> 100,000 BTU's at 30F temp difference would take 17,000 lbs of
> concrete, if you could get all the heat into the concrete. That is
> about 5 cubic yards of concrete, 540 SF of a 6" thick slab.

And you will find that you dont heat the entire 6" slab thickness wise during the day.

You in fact heat much less than 6" of it.


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 12:46 pm
From: me@privacy.net


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>And you will find that you dont heat the entire 6" slab thickness wise during the day.
>
>You in fact heat much less than 6" of it.

what abt painting or dyeing the slab a flat
black...would that help?

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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3d4992f73694d2a3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: PANTY ASS
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 6:40 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"


He built a large, incredibly large Universe for some reason we
consider to be stupid because he really needed to create the Solar
System at most, but who are we to judge him?

The best we can do is assume what he can do. For example, he needs to
control his dominions and must cross the Universe from time to time to
check every mechanism in space is working according to his laws
(gravity, etc) and that Satan is not launching some revolution in the
outer limits.

Does God respect the speed of light, or does he break his own laws
from time to time? Do Christians know how long it takes him in light-
years to go around?

Here are some references:

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/index.html

Then the big question arises: DOES GOD HAVE CONTROL OVER THE UNIVERSE
OR THINGS ARE OUT OF CONTROL?


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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 7:37 am
From: "Edward Dolan"


"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fb3301a0-c564-47f7-a5f7-29a014f7caf9@g13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> He built a large, incredibly large Universe for some reason we
> consider to be stupid because he really needed to create the Solar
> System at most, but who are we to judge him?
>
> The best we can do is assume what he can do. For example, he needs to
> control his dominions and must cross the Universe from time to time to
> check every mechanism in space is working according to his laws
> (gravity, etc) and that Satan is not launching some revolution in the
> outer limits.
>
> Does God respect the speed of light, or does he break his own laws
> from time to time? Do Christians know how long it takes him in light-
> years to go around?

Listen up, you god damn fucking stupid son of a bitch! There is no point in
originating threads since all you have on your miniscule brain is one
subject. Find your thread, and then stay on it for all eternity. That way
you will have the freedom to consort with only your fellow idiots in peace.

You are the village idiot, but at least if you have the grace to keep your
god damn fucking shit on a single thread, I will not bother you. Otherwise I
will bother you no end and I do not care if I take down the entire
newsgroup. You are one of the supreme assholes of all time and you have no
business being here at all.

Find something else to do. Why not fuck all those monkeys you are constantly
referencing. That ought to keep you busy for a few years at least.

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 10:43 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"


On Oct 21, 12:44 pm, "Randolf Richardson (Lumber Cartel, local 42)"
<kingpin+n...@lumbercartel.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:38:45 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> Spirits of the Jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He built a large, incredibly large Universe for some reason we
> > consider to be stupid because he really needed to create the Solar
> > System at most, but who are we to judge him?
>
> The Solar System can be judged because it can be observed due to being
> real (and I still consider Pluto to be a planet despite the claims of some
> experts).
>
> That which is not real is often judged correctly as fantasy or delusion,
> and in some cases theory.
>
> > The best we can do is assume what he can do. For example, he needs to
> > control his dominions and must cross the Universe from time to time to
> > check every mechanism in space is working according to his laws
> > (gravity, etc) and that Satan is not launching some revolution in the
> > outer limits.
>
> No. The best we can do is to not assume. Assumption is like a temporary
> placeholder in the absence of real knowledge, but in the case of
> supernatural beings such as your "God" character, it is common knowledge
> that it's merely a long and complicated story.
>
> Think back to when people assumed the Earth is flat. After enough people
> understood the advanced knowledge at the time that the Earth is in fact
> spherical in shape, to the point that the religious authorities could no
> longer deny it while maintaining their own credibility, the flat Earth
> theory was eventually put to rest. A similar thing happened with the
> discovery that the Earth orbits the Sun instead of the Sun orbiting the
> Earth.
>
> > Does God respect the speed of light, or does he break his own laws
> > from time to time? Do Christians know how long it takes him in light-
> > years to go around?
>
> Respect the speed of light? Is that supposed to be a posted speed
> limit? How can we be sure that light speed is the fastest possible speed
> for anything? Consider that a theoretical space craft traveling at the
> speed of light, would it not be possible for a passenger in the ship to
> run from the back of the ship to the front at a speed of a few Km/h? In
> this case, wouldn't that passenger be effectively traveling at a speed
> that is a few Km/h more than the speed of light? Or do you think that
> something would stop this? It doesn't seem to be a problem at lower
> speeds (e.g., a passenger on a boat effectively traveling a few Km/h
> faster than the speed at which the boat is moving).
>
> > Here are some references:
>
> >http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/
>
> > Then the big question arises: DOES GOD HAVE CONTROL OVER THE UNIVERSE
> > OR THINGS ARE OUT OF CONTROL?
>
> You probably didn't read my recent post about the possibility of how your
> "God" might have bled out to death after experiencing a most unfortunate
> slip-and-fall accident. =D
>
> Why are you folks so obsessed with this idea that some supreme
> supernatural being must have complete control over our lives? Does it
> scare you that people actually have free will and make their own decisions
> daily that actually change the course of the future?
>
> --

Every movement needs an adversary: The Christians need Satan, I need
God to show the world how clumsy his design was, if there was ever a
design.

I like to tease the Christians but there are other sneaky people out
there like communists, etc. so the same goes for them.

Stimulation of the brain is good:


On Oct 21, 12:25 pm, flying gorilla <ryan.kle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> since god is everywhere, he doesn't need to travel.
>
> Err wait, since god is NOWHERE, he doesn't have to travel.

Hey Gorilla, don't throw those tricky questions at the sheep.

They'll never understand.

The statement of "God is everywhere and nowhere" is part of dichotomy
of "believe or don't believe" that is part of the seditious campaign
between God and Satan.

In other words, they only want to know "Jesus is coming soon."


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 7:27 am
From: George


On 10/20/2010 8:04 PM, Dawn wrote:
> Hello to the group,
> Is anyone still here? I have a question. My daughter got a letter
> from Tums America to do a mystery shopping thing. The letter included
> a check for almost $3000. In the letter is a breakdown of what it is
> for and the assignment was to cash the check and then go to western
> union and send the money to some guy in Spain. What is the scam?
> There has to be one because she never solicited this from
> anyone...hasn't joined any mystery shopper sites, etc.
> Dawn, wanting an answer for her kid.

Just a slight variation of a common scam. You deposit the check and
think everything is OK until the bank sends the check back two weeks later.

If you want a real life education for your daughter deposit the check
and do nothing else except wait. It will cost you whatever your bank
charges for returning a bad check.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 8:05 am
From: bugbear


JMS wrote:
>
>
> "Taking the lane" - ffs - this (urc) is an English newsgroup.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/taking?view=uk
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/the?view=uk
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/lane?view=uk

Yep, all good English. Verb and subject present and correct.

>
> A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.

Couldn't find "psycholists" in any dictionary. FFS, this (urc) is an English newsgroup.

BugBear (keenly awaiting a response)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 10:24 am
From: Abhilasha


Due to some Premises I have Hidden the videos....... CLICK on the
IMAGE below the SEARCH BOX for videos http://hollywoodgirls.4-all.org

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 11:42 am
From: JimmyMac


On Oct 20, 9:30 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:319b8d7f-8378-439d-acd7-375f883c9885@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 18, 7:54 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the
> > Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > [...]
>
> > > Well, there are many types of dogs. I don't say this in his defense
> > > since I don't have a dog. There are big dogs, little dogs and mean
> > > dogs...
>
> > There are many types of humans. Unfortunately, you do not qualify in any
> > manner, shape or form. Now go fuck your monkeys and stop posting drivel on
> > Usenet or I will sic Jim McNamara on you!
> >>> You will, will you???  I'll take that as a left-handed compliment of
>
> sorts, but good luck with that.  For one thing, I told you I am not
> interested.  For another, I told you I do not dance to your music.
> Besides, why do you need me to assist?  Is it that  because your
> efforts have failed to achieve your objective.
>
> You and TM deserve one another. He is a brainless spammer and you are an
> indefatigable stalker. It is a match made in Heaven.

AND, you two closet queens... HEAD Dolan the troglodyte troll from
Worthington and the lunatic, criminal Mike Vandeman are birds of a
feather ... a match unmatched!

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 12:26 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"


This may come as a surprise to you, but Buddha himself told me that
SEX IS THE BEST! All those yoga classes are nothing compared to the
Big O experienced in sex. Where that leaves the monks? I don't know,
but they should turn to my Wisdom of the Jungle.

The inspiration happened more or less like this:

TibetanMonkey: Buddha, do you are realize that does yoga classes are
only attended by the middle classes?

Buddha: True (he doesn't like to talk too much),

TibetanMonkey: The Christians make the Poor feel guilty about sex, but
that may be their only contact with the subliminal, ie. you,

Buddha: True,

TibetanMonkey: Is it true that you yourself longed for sex while in
meditation?

Buddha: True,

TibetanMonkey: Do you have anything else to add?

Buddha: True!

--------------------------------------------------------------

FAMOUS QUOTATIONS:

"When the authorities warn you of the dangers of having sex, there is
an important lesson to be learned. Do not have sex with the
authorities." -Matt Groening.

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 21 2010 12:37 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

Christianity may not accept gays, but they welcome obesity.

Their attitude toward this disease is exemplary good, and it's the
only area I know of where they are an example.


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BURN THE CALORIES OR DIE!


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Today's topics:

* Do you need a passing score to go to Heaven? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Mystery shopper scam - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Home greenhouses: Worth having? - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Do you need a passing score to go to Heaven?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 2:38 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"


"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c0ae77e4-88c0-4f22-9f57-ceddb49aa122@c20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 20, 3:11 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 11:40 am, "Shit4Brains" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > You need a perfect score to go to heaven.
>>
>> Then you WON"T be going anywhere nearn to your imaginary pearly grates
>> Why?
>> Your Abortion
>> Your Divorce
>> Your Cocksucking
>> And who know what else you're done
>
> I don't think even Gandhi got a perfect score. He slapped his wife,
> and didn't fulfill his marital duties.
>
> Who said chastity is good, but the Christians? Well the Tibetan monks
> too, which is why I decided to become a Tibetan Monkey.

Just keep talking to yourself, you dumbass. No one on these newsgroups will
even give you the time of day. What a fucked-up asshole you are!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 5:04 pm
From: Dawn


Hello to the group,
Is anyone still here? I have a question. My daughter got a letter
from Tums America to do a mystery shopping thing. The letter included
a check for almost $3000. In the letter is a breakdown of what it is
for and the assignment was to cash the check and then go to western
union and send the money to some guy in Spain. What is the scam?
There has to be one because she never solicited this from
anyone...hasn't joined any mystery shopper sites, etc.
Dawn, wanting an answer for her kid.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 7:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Dawn wrote:

> Hello to the group,
> Is anyone still here? I have a question. My daughter got a letter
> from Tums America to do a mystery shopping thing. The letter included
> a check for almost $3000. In the letter is a breakdown of what it is
> for and the assignment was to cash the check and then go to western
> union and send the money to some guy in Spain. What is the scam?

Its a check on an account that they have no right to use.

> There has to be one because she never solicited this from
> anyone...hasn't joined any mystery shopper sites, etc.
> Dawn, wanting an answer for her kid.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 7:16 pm
From: Michael Black


On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Dawn wrote:

> Hello to the group,
> Is anyone still here? I have a question. My daughter got a letter
> from Tums America to do a mystery shopping thing. The letter included
> a check for almost $3000. In the letter is a breakdown of what it is
> for and the assignment was to cash the check and then go to western
> union and send the money to some guy in Spain. What is the scam?
> There has to be one because she never solicited this from
> anyone...hasn't joined any mystery shopper sites, etc.
> Dawn, wanting an answer for her kid.
>
No, everyone moved away when the frugal discussion disappeared.

This isn't a frugal issue, at best it's a consumer issue, and really it's
a scam issue.

You deposit the check, thinking it's good, then withdraw money to send
to the address. Then the check bounces, and you're stuck with the loss
of your money that you sent the person.

This is the Nigerian Scam. It doesn't matter that it's done by mail,
it doesn't matter that no Nigerians are involved. It's the very same
scam.

Michael


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 7:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Sure, but that doesnt fix the overnight heating problem.

> Ok point taken

> So you are saying that a small say 10 foot by 10 foot
> greenhouse cant contain enough "mass" in the concrete
> floor to radiate heat at night?

The problem is more that not enough of the floor thickness
gets to a high enough temperature during the day.

I have that approach in my house, with lots of concrete floor
heated by the sun thru 8 big patio doors on the sunny side and
while they are quite warm when the sun is shining on them,
they get quite cool quite quickly when the sun goes off them.

Even if you had say solar water heaters you wont find that they
will have enough heat in the water to keep the greenhouse warm
enough right thru the night unless you have a hell of a lot of water
and the associated solar water heating panels, particularly as
you are further north than is ideal.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 20 2010 5:53 pm
From: "The Henchman"


"Mrs Bonk" <arse@nospamcutey.com> wrote in message
news:8i8herFu7jU1@mid.individual.net...
> The Henchman wrote:
>> "Mrs Bonk" <arse@nospamcutey.com> wrote in message
>> news:8i6mm7FmgfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> How very nice to see some life in a.h.c.
>>> Many in this group have sworn by vinegar. Myself, if I want soft
>>> washing,
>>> I use my relations water, they live five miles away but have a different
>>> water provider. I never need conditioner there. At my home the water is
>>> so hard the washing is stiff as a board despite all sorts of
>>> conditioners
>>> being tried. When the washing is dry a hot iron will soften it - as long
>>> as the material is suitable.
>>
>>
>> Why not invest in a good water softener? We have a Ecowater brand 3500
>> series and it's wonderful. The dishwasher and washing machine require
>> far
>> less soap to perform their duties as well. Showers are shorter and
>> cheap
>> garbage soap lathers quite well with softened water.
>
> I don't know anyone who has a 'proper' ***water softener dear, they are
> not too popular hereabouts, I am not sure why not. I don't have a
> dishwasher and my washing machine uses automatic liquid or powder so no
> bubbles anyway. I also don't have a shower! Oh dear, you must think I am
> from a backward country. A handful of soda in the bath or a bath bomb
> works wonders - I HAVE invested in a mixer tap so hair washing is not such
> a problem. I think the hard water is healthier? It certainly tastes a lot
> different to the water across town, the tea there is awful, almost soapy.
> I am aware Yorkshire Tea makes tea bags specifically for hard OR soft
> water so I must try them out.


The orginal topic for this was fabric softener so I simply raved about a
water softener in that context. There are differening debates about the
health of water softeners but that doesn't fit into the topic of softer
fabrics.

I swear by water softeners for washing of clothing, and showering/bathing.
It's simply much easier on clothes and skin and require far less soap and
lathering to accomplish cleaning.

I'm in north Halton area of Ontario Canada. Most people here have water
softeners.

And no I \don't think you are from a backward country (or County even...)

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