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Saturday, April 19, 2008

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TOPIC: victoria beckham style
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:12 pm
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:13 pm
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:13 pm
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:14 pm
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:14 pm
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:15 pm
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TOPIC: Terminix system vs Sentricon termite baiting system
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Chloe <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
> "DGDevin" <dgdevin@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:98WdnYeoDOnpgJfVnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> Chloe wrote:
>>
>>> Terminix nationally doesn't exactly have a great track record in
>>> terms of running an honest business. Plenty of people have had their
>>> houses munched by termites when the mixture of powdered milk and
>>> water Terminix used to spray around their houses didn't turn out to
>>> be all that effective <g>. Check with your state's attorney general
>>> office or department of agriculture before you do business with
>>> them.
>>
>> Our favorite contractor has a generally dim view of the termite
>> industry, he's seen too many shady local franchisees who are better
>> at high-pressure sales than they are at killing bugs. This is one
>> of those areas where lots and lots of research is called for before
>> signing on the dotted line.
>
> My experience, and I have plenty, is that the independently owned
> local companies (not franchisees) are the best bet. But you're right,
> research is important.

Trouble is that real research isnt really feasible in this area, because
its so hard to quantify which operations do an effective job.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:44 pm
From: dpb

Rod Speed wrote:
...

> Trouble is that real research isnt really feasible in this area, because
> its so hard to quantify which operations do an effective job.

I don't think that's really so at all. There is quite a lot of valid
research.

The problem is that there are folks who are more interested in making
profits than otherwise; that doesn't mean there isn't actual research
and scientific basis for some of the products, only that marketing may
outstrip the results the science claims.

IMO, if they would simply bring back Chlordane and a few of the other
banned products as restricted use the problems would be far fewer.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 4:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

dpb <none@non.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Chloe <justsayno@spam.com> wrote
>>> DGDevin <dgdevin@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>> Chloe wrote

>>>>> Terminix nationally doesn't exactly have a great track record in
>>>>> terms of running an honest business. Plenty of people have had their
>>>>> houses munched by termites when the mixture of powdered milk and
>>>>> water Terminix used to spray around their houses didn't turn out to
>>>>> be all that effective <g>. Check with your state's attorney general
>>>>> office or department of agriculture before you do business with them.

>>>> Our favorite contractor has a generally dim view of the termite
>>>> industry, he's seen too many shady local franchisees who are better
>>>> at high-pressure sales than they are at killing bugs. This is one
>>>> of those areas where lots and lots of research is called for before
>>>> signing on the dotted line.

>>> My experience, and I have plenty, is that the independently owned
>>> local companies (not franchisees) are the best bet. But you're right,
>>> research is important.

>> Trouble is that real research isnt really feasible in this area,
>> because its so hard to quantify which operations do an effective job.

> I don't think that's really so at all. There is quite a lot of valid research.

Not on how INDEPENDANTLY OWNED LOCAL COMPANYS perform there isnt.

> The problem is that there are folks who are more interested in making profits than otherwise; that doesn't mean there
> isn't actual research and scientific basis for some of the products, only that marketing may outstrip the results the
> science claims.

That wasnt what I commented on.

> IMO, if they would simply bring back Chlordane and a few of the other
> banned products as restricted use the problems would be far fewer.

Sure, but that wasnt what I commented on either.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 4:19 pm
From: dpb

Rod Speed wrote:
> dpb <none@non.net> wrote
...
>>> Trouble is that real research isnt really feasible in this area,
>>> because its so hard to quantify which operations do an effective job.
>
>> I don't think that's really so at all. There is quite a lot of valid research.
>
> Not on how INDEPENDANTLY OWNED LOCAL COMPANYS perform there isnt.
...

Well, when you say "which operations do and effective job", that doesn't
seem to me it has any limitation on research on how local companies
perform; it surely implies research of what is and isn't an efficacious
treatment.

But, if that's not what you meant, then I missed the mark, granted.

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TOPIC: Feet or No Feet
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:45 pm
From: service0096@watchec.com

Feet or No Feet

As with the head protection, you may decide to purchase disposable
coveralls with polyethylene that comes with foot safety gear or
without foot safety gear. There are many times when the feet simply do
not need that same level of safety. Or, as before, perhaps there is a
separate foot protection. There is generally an elastic band and/or
drawstring when you purchase disposable coveralls with polyethylene
that comes with that extra foot power. This is so a size 6 foot will
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TOPIC: WiFi range
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 4:11 pm
From: Paul

Does the range vary?

Would it reach the parking lot?

Would any kind of dish antenna work (ie, on the roof of a van)?

Is there an online map or directory of areas covered by city?

Thank you.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 3:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Paul <mailbox24@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does the range vary?

Yep.

> Would it reach the parking lot?

It can do.

> Would any kind of dish antenna work (ie, on the roof of a van)?

Yep, and there is a lot more than just dishes that work fine too.

> Is there an online map or directory of areas covered by city?

Yep.

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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 3:17 pm
From: "RodSpeed,_cashflow_and_patience_is_the_game_now"

This is way over the top:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKa5vgZxVWU&feature=related

RodSpeed, your comments please.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 3:49 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

RodSpeed,_cashflow_and_patience_is_the_game_now <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

> This is way over the top:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKa5vgZxVWU&feature=related
> RodSpeed, your comments please.

Just another mindless conspiracy theory.

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TOPIC: oil prices go up up up...depressing
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 4:11 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Apr 19, 7:59 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> the_vermina...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Apr 18, 8:32 pm, lucy ford <ksmithtar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> found an article on yahoo today: "Oil hits 117 dollars on talk of
> >> Nigeria pipeline attack". I found this to be incredible... oil is
> >> expected to go up 1.86 in May, which is an all time record. Of course
> >> this hurts all of our wallets... I've experienced it myself as the
> >> last apartment I lived in, we had to pay the oil bill for heat.
> >> However, this proves my theory true that the oil field is going to
> >> continue to provide high paying jobs because oil is in SUCH a demand
> >> and becoming more so by the day. its kinda sad
>
> >> Check it out
>
> >>http://oilandgasjobs2008.blogspot.com/2008/04/oil-prices-climb.html
>
> > I feel not one iota of sympathy for those complaining about the cost
> > of oil. We've known for 30+ years this was going to happen and yet
> > still continued to demand gas-guzzlers and/or SUV type transportation
> > instead of demanding the Auto Industry and the Government make us
> > independent of foreign oil.
>
> > No one wanted to pay the price that would cost so now you are paying
> > the price of NOT doing it- and still face the cost of doing it in the
> > future because at some point it WILL have to be done.
>
> > Talk about stupid short-sighted decisions!!
>
> I went to the NYC car show with a buddy a few weeks back. GM had a big
> piggy fluffed up truck spinning around on a turntable as their main
> attraction. We asked why GM isn't embarrassed to offer piggy fluffed up
> trucks as cars and their person told us that gm has made large
> investments in "alternative fuels" and it won't be long before those
> fuels were $1/gallon...

Big GM spokesman said two weeks ago that the truck and SUV market will
be back to where is was in about nine months.
Sales people believe if they say something long enough it will come
true. Then you have Lutz the putz , who lands his plane with the
wheels up, telling us that a Volt for somewhere in the $30's and
going 40 miles on a charge is the answer.

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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 5:31 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 18 Apr 2008
20:04:13 -0500 in misc.survivalism :
>
>I admit to hating homo truck drivers who want to run over children with
>their trucks. Now get the fuck off of ARBR, ygdfm!
>
>Fucking Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Tisk tisk, Eddy boyo here must be one of those Liberals who feel
that the law applies to other people, including the laws of physics,
and the traffic laws.

toodles
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."

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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 5:00 pm
From: Tom Sherman

pyotr filipivich wrote:
> [Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 18 Apr 2008
> 20:04:13 -0500 in misc.survivalism :
>> I admit to hating homo truck drivers who want to run over children with
>> their trucks. Now get the fuck off of ARBR, ygdfm!
>>
>> Fucking Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> Tisk tisk, Eddy boyo here must be one of those Liberals who feel
> that the law applies to other people, including the laws of physics,
> and the traffic laws.
>
I am sure that Mr. Ed the Grate (aka Edward Dolan) will love being
called a liberal.

--
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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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> Terminix nationally doesn't exactly have a great track record in
> terms of running an honest business. Plenty of people have had their
> houses munched by termites when the mixture of powdered milk and
> water Terminix used to spray around their houses didn't turn out to
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Our favorite contractor has a generally dim view of the termite industry,
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== 2 of 8 ==
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On Apr 18, 4:02 pm, "Chloe" <justsa...@spam.com> wrote:
> "cshenk" <cshe...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> news:gI4Oj.51611$QC.12484@newsfe20.lga...
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> > "Walter Cohen" wrote
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> >> I'm trying to determine which company has the better, more effective
> >> termite baiting system (and ultimately elimination of the colony).
>
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>
> > I use Orkin here. The terminex stuff lasts at best a year and the
> > franchise in my local area is not reliable. (This is not a total slam on
> > terminex as i gather in some areas they are quite good and even in our
> > area they are better than Orkin with some types of pests, just not
> > termites).
>
> > I have had several 'treatments' done in the past 10 years. One was by
> > terminex only 4 years ago and came back to the USA to find live termites
> > eating out a baseboard. I got the orkin contract and am covered for all
> > damage now after an extensive inspection to determine how much damage we
> > already had (thank the lord, just the basebord!). Yes, it costs money but
> > we are paying off treatment for an active infestation. Once that drops
> > off, we need only pay about 200$ a year for what is basically insurance
> > coverage for any damages and quarterly inspections. When the chemicals
> > start to fail, they reseed for free.
>
> Terminix nationally doesn't exactly have a great track record in terms of
> running an honest business. Plenty of people have had their houses munched
> by termites when the mixture of powdered milk and water Terminix used to
> spray around their houses didn't turn out to be all that effective <g>.
> Check with your state's attorney general office or department of agriculture
> before you do business with them.

Or just Google.

Terminix and Orkin produce the majority of pest control customers
pissed off enough to actually file suit.

Among many "real" professional Pest Control Operators they're both
considered a blight on the industry (which is not to say that neither
has a small percentage of true "professionals").

It's a tough business in which to compete when the homeowner has
difficulty determining who is a shyster and who is not.
-----

- gpsman

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 10:32 am
From: dpb

gpsman wrote:
...
> Terminix and Orkin produce the majority of pest control customers
> pissed off enough to actually file suit.
...

That's easily explained simply by the fact the two are by far the
largest companies in the field: simply more opportunities.

As a secondary cause, most local companies won't make anything more than
local news even if they are no better in service or follow up or
warranty work than the national firms in their area so google results
will be grossly distorted by that as well.

== 4 of 8 ==
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From: gpsman

On Apr 19, 1:32 pm, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> gpsman wrote:
>
> ...> Terminix and Orkin produce the majority of pest control customers
> > pissed off enough to actually file suit.
>
> That's easily explained simply by the fact the two are by far the
> largest companies in the field: simply more opportunities.

Of course, but that explanation is a little too simple.

> As a secondary cause, most local companies won't make anything more than
> local news even if they are no better in service or follow up or
> warranty work than the national firms in their area so google results
> will be grossly distorted by that as well.

Or, they settle up and/or satisfy their clients.

A large national with oodles of advertising budget can write off
clients assuming they will simply usually swap dissatisfied clients
with the "other" national company.

(This is a common technique known and employed employed by fast food
restaurants. Sure their dining room is filthy, and their service is
slow, but they all (generally) are. If you don't come back to BK,
someone will abandon Wendy's on the same premise.)

IME with termites, many homeowners tried both national companies
before I got the call. Most, as in way more than half, had no
evidence of termites.

Evaluated individually as wholes, both companies consist of a great
many shysters.
-----

- gpsman

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 11:20 am
From: dpb

gpsman wrote:
> On Apr 19, 1:32 pm, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
>> gpsman wrote:
>>
>> ...> Terminix and Orkin produce the majority of pest control customers
>>> pissed off enough to actually file suit.
>> That's easily explained simply by the fact the two are by far the
>> largest companies in the field: simply more opportunities.
>
> Of course, but that explanation is a little too simple.

No simpler than your previous statement (as presented)...

>> As a secondary cause, most local companies won't make anything more than
>> local news even if they are no better in service or follow up or
>> warranty work than the national firms in their area so google results
>> will be grossly distorted by that as well.
>
> Or, they settle up and/or satisfy their clients.

But they simply won't show up on google in any profusion because there
are a comparatively miniscule number of searchers for any local company
regardless of how bad they might be.

Hence, it is an erroneous conclusion that because the two major
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are _necessarily_ better.

It's simply a misuse of the statistics.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 11:38 am
From: gpsman

On Apr 19, 2:20 pm, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> gpsman wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 1:32 pm, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> >> gpsman wrote:
>
> >> ...> Terminix and Orkin produce the majority of pest control customers
> >>> pissed off enough to actually file suit.
> >> That's easily explained simply by the fact the two are by far the
> >> largest companies in the field: simply more opportunities.
>
> > Of course, but that explanation is a little too simple.
>
> No simpler than your previous statement (as presented)...
>
> >> As a secondary cause, most local companies won't make anything more than
> >> local news even if they are no better in service or follow up or
> >> warranty work than the national firms in their area so google results
> >> will be grossly distorted by that as well.
>
> > Or, they settle up and/or satisfy their clients.
>
> But they simply won't show up on google in any profusion because there
> are a comparatively miniscule number of searchers for any local company
> regardless of how bad they might be.
>
> Hence, it is an erroneous conclusion that because the two major
> companies have the bulk of the complaints on a google search the others
> are _necessarily_ better.
>
> It's simply a misuse of the statistics.

Agreed, but I would point to their use of "contracts" as evidence they
are less inclined to satisfy their clients, and their unnecessary
service intervals as evidence they are better at generating income
than performing effective services.

But, they made me a ton o' money...
-----

- gpsman

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 12:10 pm
From: dpb

gpsman wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2:20 pm, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
...
>> Hence, it is an erroneous conclusion that because the two major
>> companies have the bulk of the complaints on a google search the others
>> are _necessarily_ better.
>>
>> It's simply a misuse of the statistics.
>
> Agreed, ...

That's the only point I was making...

Nothing else is derivable from the data posited.

I'm not attacking you or any other local exterminator nor defending the
Big Two; simply pointing out to draw a conclusion you wished others to
make from your previous post is simply not warranted.

== 8 of 8 ==
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You might want to look at my web page before deciding what to do.
None of these systems do anything to "bait" a termite like a worm
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In <20080419090558.2d6cc983@vector>, §ñühw?£f
snuhwolf@netscape.net said:
>On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:52:08 +1000
>"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "§ñühw?£f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:20080418091607.7e1bb447@vector...
>> >
>> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:03:30 +1000
>> > "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:66prb2F2kplh3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> > johngood_____ <void@voidacious.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> At the moment I'm with virgin net 'plan2' ( 'not' on the new cable)
>> >> >> and have learnt recently from virgin that my =A317.99 a month package,
>> >> >> was capped at 2MB data stream and that I could be switched to 5MB IP
>> >> >> stream for the same money I'm paying them. So I asked them to upgrade
>> >> >> me to the faster IP system and Virgin told me to wait 10 days or so
>> >> >> for the system to pick up speed.
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's now three weeks and I've just done a line test with
>> >> >> www.speedtest.net which tells me that my download speed is 1001 kb/s.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thats a pretty useless<BITCHSLAP>
>> >>
>> >> Hello, Woddleypoo. I have a usenet k0oK award marked out with your name
>> >> on it. The name of the award has the word "COWARD" in it.
>> >>
>> >> Are you going to come out and play with the nasty Kadaitcha Man? Or are
>> >> you going to run away and hide like you always do when I decide to give
>> >> you a taste of your own medicine? Hmmm?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No everone unnerstans yer shtick :)
>> > You prolly intimadates a few of em...
>> >
>> > Speed test is preetty much crap tho sence the ISPs somtiems cache it loco
>> > :)
>>
>> Rod Speed takes delight in being grossly offensive to those he believes are
>> weaker than himself, yet he flat refuses to engage with yours truly. Without
>> fail, he runs and hides. He is a first order coward.
>>
>I've been in newsfroups full of Sensitive Types.
>If you disagree with them in the slightest they plonk you and announce it often.

PLONK!

>> > So you *always* get a "good" reading.
>> > Might wanna use ping or somthing.
>>
>> I only intend to bitchslap the cunt from here to kingdom come with mere
>> metaphor. Him being shown up as a cowardly bully can't be that painful, can
>> it?
>>
>So he's a drive-by flamer?
>Yeah, them type is pussies.
>
>--
>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/18/collins-iraq-debacle/
>

--
Kali

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 12:01 pm
From: Art Deco

Kali <kali@powder.keg> wrote:
>In <20080419090558.2d6cc983@vector>, §ñühw?£f
>snuhwolf@netscape.net said:
>>On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:52:08 +1000
>>"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "§ñühw?£f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>> news:20080418091607.7e1bb447@vector...
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:03:30 +1000
>>> > "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:66prb2F2kplh3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> >>
>>> >> > johngood_____ <void@voidacious.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> At the moment I'm with virgin net 'plan2' ( 'not' on the new cable)
>>> >> >> and have learnt recently from virgin that my =A317.99 a month package,
>>> >> >> was capped at 2MB data stream and that I could be switched to 5MB IP
>>> >> >> stream for the same money I'm paying them. So I asked them to upgrade
>>> >> >> me to the faster IP system and Virgin told me to wait 10 days or so
>>> >> >> for the system to pick up speed.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> It's now three weeks and I've just done a line test with
>>> >> >> www.speedtest.net which tells me that my download speed is 1001 kb/s.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thats a pretty useless<BITCHSLAP>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello, Woddleypoo. I have a usenet k0oK award marked out with your name
>>> >> on it. The name of the award has the word "COWARD" in it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you going to come out and play with the nasty Kadaitcha Man? Or are
>>> >> you going to run away and hide like you always do when I decide to give
>>> >> you a taste of your own medicine? Hmmm?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > No everone unnerstans yer shtick :)
>>> > You prolly intimadates a few of em...
>>> >
>>> > Speed test is preetty much crap tho sence the ISPs somtiems cache it loco
>>> > :)
>>>
>>> Rod Speed takes delight in being grossly offensive to those he believes are
>>> weaker than himself, yet he flat refuses to engage with yours truly.
>>> Without
>>> fail, he runs and hides. He is a first order coward.
>>>
>>I've been in newsfroups full of Sensitive Types.
>>If you disagree with them in the slightest they plonk you and announce it
>>often.
>
>PLONK!

No way, I *PLONK* you first.
>
>>> > So you *always* get a "good" reading.
>>> > Might wanna use ping or somthing.
>>>
>>> I only intend to bitchslap the cunt from here to kingdom come with mere
>>> metaphor. Him being shown up as a cowardly bully can't be that painful, can
>>> it?
>>>
>>So he's a drive-by flamer?
>>Yeah, them type is pussies.
>>
>>--
>>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/18/collins-iraq-debacle/
>>

--
"Classic erroneous presupposition."
-- David Tholen

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