Tuesday, March 24, 2015

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21blackswan@gmail.com: Mar 24 12:27PM -0700

i guess your laptop doesn't have built-in wifi?
if it does,
it should pick up some kind of wifi signal, even if weak
 
 
take your laptop with you, if you go out to Frys, etc, again?
 
marc
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Monday, March 23, 2015

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trader4@optonline.net: Mar 23 07:08AM -0700

> > people's food in the 60's. I live at the shore, I know.
 
> I don't know if you lived at the shore, nor do I know about your memory. But I do know that I have the internet.
 
> To begin- the wholesale price of lobster is better than $8/lb (look it up).
 
I don't think so:
 
http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2014/07/24/new-englands-live-lobster-prices-set-to-fall-to-seasonal-lows-as-new-shell-product-hits-market/
 
Looks more like $5.50. I can buy them in the supermarket for $8,
$6 when they are on sale.
 
 
 
> In 1961 the wholesale price of lobster was $0.53/lb. That can be found on page 24 of this document:
 
> http://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1073&context=fisheries
 
That puts the retail price at ~ $1.06, ie 2X wholesale
 
 
> Inflation figured in, $0.53 in 1961 is equal to about $4 today.
 
Don't have to adjust to today. The issue was whether poor people
were eating lobster in 1960. Just look at the link I posted early in
the thread that shows the actual prices of some other sources of food
in 1960:
 
http://www.clearpictureonline.com/1960-Food-College-Income.html
 
Sirloin stake is $.79 a pound. Were poor people eating that?
And note that a pound of sirloin is almost all edible. A pound
of lobster, maybe half is edible, so double the cost delta. Even
if you somehow got that lobster at wholesale, at your $.53, the
effective cost of the meat is easily double that.
 
What were poor people eating:
 
fryers: .37 /lb
grnd beef .33
rice .15
bread .14
potatoes .05
bananas .10
 
And those are *retail* prices.
 
 
 
Using:
 
> http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=300&year=1961
 
> Conclusion: Lobster was easily half the price in 1961 as it is today. And that is wholesale. Today there are many more middlemen and the people in N.E. are competing against a world market to put lobsters on the plates of starving children of Portland.
 
Even if it was half the price it was today, that has nothing
to do with whether poor people could afford it or not. Diamonds
were probably half the price, did the poor have those too? The other
fundemental misconception you have is that somehow poor people
are able to buy lobster at wholesale prices. Wholesale, is, well
wholesale, ie large quantities to the trade. I've lived near
the shore my whole life and we never had some special track to buy
at wholesale prices or anywhere near wholesale price for seafood
or just about anything else. We paid retail, even at fish markets
near the shore. Some exceptional rare circumstances
excepted. And we were middle class and rarely had lobster because
it was expensive compared to other food choices. The above proves
it.
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Sunday, March 22, 2015

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wilma6116@gmail.com: Mar 22 02:52PM -0700


> Lobster and the other typical seafood was never cheap and poor
> people's food in the 60's. I live at the shore, I know.
 
I don't know if you lived at the shore, nor do I know about your memory. But I do know that I have the internet.
 
To begin- the wholesale price of lobster is better than $8/lb (look it up).
 
In 1961 the wholesale price of lobster was $0.53/lb. That can be found on page 24 of this document:
 
http://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1073&context=fisheries
 
Inflation figured in, $0.53 in 1961 is equal to about $4 today. Using:
 
http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=300&year=1961
 
Conclusion: Lobster was easily half the price in 1961 as it is today. And that is wholesale. Today there are many more middlemen and the people in N.E. are competing against a world market to put lobsters on the plates of starving children of Portland.
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Saturday, March 21, 2015

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trader4@optonline.net: Mar 21 06:00AM -0700

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:30:23 PM UTC-4, mwm314 wrote:
> I've recently allowed my service from AT&T to expire after receiving only mediocre internet access for ~$80/mo. Is there a better alternative? I've heard that you can get a device for a windows pc or laptop that will pick up internet from public Wi-Fi spots, boosts the Wi-Fi signal. I went to Frye's and bought what I thought was the proper device for my laptop, but when connected was unable to get internet from any of the places that appeared as sources of internet. The in-store Frye's guy said the device to look for was 'a repeater.' Is this true? Can the appropriate product be found online from store websites? I'd like to return to the store and just pick up the item but am not certain I have the right brand and product name to look/ask for.
 
> Any help appreciated,
> Matt
 
First, I'd start with any other broadband providers at your location.
This is very location specific, but also easy to find out. Here for
example, Cablevision is one TV/internet provider. Verizon/FIOS is a second
option for some towns. There are usually only one or two, because
it's expensive for competitors to run new infrastructure. Typically one
knows what is available because they get bombarded with offers, TV ads, neighbors have it, etc. Those would typically be the best performance
options.
 
After that, what's available wifi again depends on your area. Before
buying anything, you need to find out what's there. Here for example,
the cable company, Cablevision, has many hotspots deployed in various
areas. But they tend to be more in the commercial areas, from my
experience and you also have to be a customer of their regular internet
service. Whatever exists where you are, you need to be within
range. Around here and I would think in most of the USA, your
chances of picking up a public, open wifi is slim. I'd ask neighbors
what they are using. Have a notebook or smartphone? What wifi shows
up on it? At my house, the only thing I see are the neighbor's wifi's.
 
Did you fully pursue whatever the issues were with
AT&T? Many times folks blame the internet company when the problem
is actually something on their end.
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Friday, March 20, 2015

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mwm314 <mwmiller314@gmail.com>: Mar 20 09:33AM -0700

I've recently moved into a place and would like to be more handy/self-reliant at repairs and maintenance. My dad was able to clean the vents of his home while alive, but I never acquired this skill/knowledge from him. Is there an online or otherwise cheaply/easily available guide to cleaning vents around a home.
 
any helpful feedback appreciated,
Matt
mwm314 <mwmiller314@gmail.com>: Mar 20 09:30AM -0700

I've recently allowed my service from AT&T to expire after receiving only mediocre internet access for ~$80/mo. Is there a better alternative? I've heard that you can get a device for a windows pc or laptop that will pick up internet from public Wi-Fi spots, boosts the Wi-Fi signal. I went to Frye's and bought what I thought was the proper device for my laptop, but when connected was unable to get internet from any of the places that appeared as sources of internet. The in-store Frye's guy said the device to look for was 'a repeater.' Is this true? Can the appropriate product be found online from store websites? I'd like to return to the store and just pick up the item but am not certain I have the right brand and product name to look/ask for.
 
Any help appreciated,
Matt
cederpines34@gmail.com: Mar 20 01:38AM -0700

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Mar 14 05:50PM

Anyone found any ear plugs that work? The silicone surface plugs don't seem
to work at all. The foam(?) cylindical ones with the rounded end work very
poorly - quite well if you put your fingers in your ears on top of them but
that's frequently not practical (brand, Mack's). Any I missed? That's all I
saw on the store shelf I tried.
 
I need something that fits in the ear, not on the surface like ear muffs or
headsets with or without music. I want something I can sleep comfortably
with. The sound generators that make surf or rain or whatever sounds don't
help me much.
 
Any suggestions?
 
TIA

 
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when something closes the door from the inside.
trader4@optonline.net: Mar 19 07:24PM -0700

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:33:44 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
 
> > So then how are poor people eating lobsters at the seashore? Prices
> > don't just magically behave differently here.
 
> OP's talking about 1961. Things have changed.
 
Wow, 1961, you really figured that out?
 
 
 
> It used to be that local products in season were very cheap. Now, the best of
> everything gets shipped across the nation/world to where better prices can be
> had. So local prices don't get the big drops.
 
Lobster and the other typical seafood was never cheap and poor
people's food in the 60's. I live at the shore, I know.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Mar 13 09:25PM -0700

On 03/13/2015 08:45 PM, Michael Black wrote:
 
>> Depends on what you call food. I bet in 1961 a kale salad would have
>> cost a small fortune, while at the same time lobster was poor people
>> food for New Englanders.
 
Are you sure you meant NINETEEN61? I don't think lobster has been cheap
food during my lifetime.
 
>> turkeys can barely stand because of all the breast meat. And an orange
>> in the winter was a such a delicacy they were given as gifts for
>> Christmas.
 
OK, you're definitely not talking about 1961.
 
 
--
Cheers, Bev
=========================================================
"If you watch TV news, you know less about the world than
if you just drank gin straight from the bottle."
- Garrison Keillor
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Mar 13 11:45PM -0400

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Thursday, March 19, 2015

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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Mar 19 05:29PM -0700

The Real Bev wrote:
>>> orange in the winter was a such a delicacy they were given as gifts
>>> for Christmas.
 
> OK, you're definitely not talking about 1961.
 
Where in new england did you live in 1961?
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Mar 19 05:33PM -0700


>> Yet the prices didn't go down at the consumer end.
 
> So then how are poor people eating lobsters at the seashore? Prices
> don't just magically behave differently here.
 
OP's talking about 1961. Things have changed.
 
It used to be that local products in season were very cheap. Now, the best of
everything gets shipped across the nation/world to where better prices can be
had. So local prices don't get the big drops.
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Wednesday, March 18, 2015

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trader4@optonline.net: Mar 18 06:24AM -0700

On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 1:38:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
 
> I saw an article some time back about how the price of lobster at the dock
> was way down (I can't remember the reason), making it quite hard to be the
> ones catching them.
 
Making it quite hard to earn a decent profit catching lobsters
doesn't equate with them being cheap and the food poor people are
eating. At $2.50 a pound wholesale, the fishermen may be making
little or no profit, but that still puts them at $5+ retail. And
considering what meat there is on them versus waste, you can more
that double that price. How does that compare to other available
food sources? It sure isn't what poor people are eating. And I'd note
that those periods of low prices are the exception, you stated
that lobster has always been poor people's food by the sea. I'm
2 miles from the sea and you're wrong. I've never been poor and
still lobster is something we enjoy only occasionally.
 
 
 
> Yet the prices didn't go down at the consumer end.
 
So then how are poor people eating lobsters at the seashore? Prices
don't just magically behave differently here.
 
 
 
 
 
> and was always bringing them home.
 
> I'd discount the second one, but not the first.
 
> Michael
 
There is no first. And the second, well if you're stuffing lobsters
into your purse, your shorts, or getting some special employee deal,
then it's an exceptional case, not what most poor people are doing.
Good grief.
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Tuesday, March 17, 2015

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Monday, March 16, 2015

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Mar 16 04:45PM

ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote in
 
> Give it about 5 minutes and the earplug will return to its normal size
> and fill the ear canal.
 
Ahhh! I'll bet that's my poblem. I'm expecting them to work right away.
Thanks much!
 
Ken
 
 
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when something closes the door from the inside.
21blackswan@gmail.com: Mar 16 01:54PM -0700

I gave up on ear plugs, long ago
 
I use Cotton Balls
much more convenient, softer...
 
[or you can try splitting larger cotton balls into two]
 
marc
ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Mar 16 06:02PM -0700

On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 11:45:58 AM UTC-5, KenK wrote:
 
> Ahhh! I'll bet that's my poblem. I'm expecting them to work right away.
> Thanks much!
 
> Ken
 
You're welcome!
ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Mar 16 06:05PM -0700

> much more convenient, softer...
 
> [or you can try splitting larger cotton balls into two]
 
> marc
 
Try the method I described above.
trader4@optonline.net: Mar 16 11:06AM -0700

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:43:29 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
> > in the winter was a such a delicacy they were given as gifts for
> > Christmas.
 
> I thought seafood was always poor people's food, if you lived by the sea.
 
I guess you don't live by the sea. I'm at the NJ shore and most seafood
here has always been a more expensive food source and not
poor people's food, unless you catch it yourself. Prices for a piece of
fish aren't that much different than if you were in OH. In fact, I've
seen some places well inland, when traveling, where fish prices were less
than they are here at the coast.
 
 
> collecting them don't make that much money, the price paid at the
> supermarket or restaurant reflect the cost of getting it there fast.
 
> Michael
 
The transportation is a component, but it's not the dominant factor
in the price. There are lobster boats right here, but the price isn't cheap
and poor people aren't eating them. Even typical average American
family obviously finds them pricey, because I don't see folks eating
them much. I'd eat them a lot if they were cheap.
trader4@optonline.net: Mar 16 11:12AM -0700

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 12:25:28 AM UTC-4, The Real Bev wrote:
> >> food for New Englanders.
 
> Are you sure you meant NINETEEN61? I don't think lobster has been cheap
> food during my lifetime.
 
+1
 
I do recall it being said that it was poor people's food back in
the days of the Pilgrims, but lobster sure wasn't cheap in 1961.
 
 
 
> OK, you're definitely not talking about 1961.
 
> --
> Cheers, Bev
 
I don't know what the poster is talking about either. People still send
oranges and other fruit as gifts at Xmas. It doesn't have anything
to do with them being rare or unusual. And certainly oranges were
plentiful in the 1960s.
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Sunday, March 15, 2015

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ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Mar 15 06:26PM -0700

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-5, KenK wrote:
> saw on the store shelf I tried.
 
> Any suggestions?
 
> TIA
 
There is a trick to putting the foam cylindrical type into your ears. Roll one foam earplug between thumb and forefinger with a bit of pressure until it is compressed and _quite_ skinny. When you've gotten it to its skinny state lightly pull the top of your ear, this slightly opens the ear canal, and place the skinny plug into your ear. Give it about 5 minutes and the earplug will return to its normal size and fill the ear canal.
 
Repeat all steps for your other ear.
wilma6116@gmail.com: Mar 15 05:17PM -0700

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 9:25:28 PM UTC-7, The Real Bev wrote:
> >> food for New Englanders.
 
> Are you sure you meant NINETEEN61? I don't think lobster has been cheap
> food during my lifetime.
 
 
 
When I was a kid the family would take a car trip to New England for lobster. If my old man took a station wagon full of kids for lobster, it was cheap. Though I was reading in the late 1800's lobster was fed to prisoners until they rioted, and it was also used as fertilizer.
> >> in the winter was a such a delicacy they were given as gifts for
> >> Christmas.
 
> OK, you're definitely not talking about 1961.
 
Here:
 
Back in 1965, a typical turkey raised to be Thanksgiving dinner weighed about 18 pounds. Thanks to poultry industry practices, the turkey of today weighs 57 percent more -- a comparatively gargantuan 28.2 pounds. Think about it this way: If a baby grew as fast as a modern day turkey does, at 18 weeks of age he'd weigh a mind boggling 1,500 pounds.
 
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/sorry-no-super-sized-incredible-hulk-turkeys-this-year-says-butterball.html#ixzz3UVFIgqGB
Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Mar 15 12:38PM -0500

Among the last holdouts for copper landline service, I resisted
several years of Verizon's attempts to bamboozle, bs, and coerce
conversion to fiber opic phone service. Finally reached diminishing
returns when the regular "dialtone-free weekend" extended into weekdays
for three consecutive months. Jumped ship to a low-priced Verizon
Wireless reseller and now using a "free" half-smart Android phone.
As recent events confirm, Verizon's landline services, including
video distribution, receive short shrift and are a diminishing quantity
because grossly overpriced wireless "plans" is where the gold is.
Now I'm off to "root" this little Chinese turdball and dispose of
more crapware than I ever thought possible....
--
Derald
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Saturday, March 14, 2015

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Derald <derald@invalid.net>: Mar 14 06:00PM -0500

>with. The sound generators that make surf or rain or whatever sounds don't
>help me much.
 
>Any suggestions?
I have for years used a product called, "Flent's Ear Stopples", to
virtually eliminate power tool noise, though, don't know whether they'd
be acceptable for sleep wear. A quick google brought up a number of
online sources and I went no further. Ear Stopples consist of bubble
gum shaped cotton batting impregnated with wax. I find one to be enough
for two ears. Once in the ear, body heat softens the wax enough to
enable a complete seal. The number of times they may be reused is
largely limited to ones gross-out level, as they pick up grunge over
time (wax, remember?). I've had the same package since 1975 (really)
and have two unused "units" yet, although the package long ago
disintegrated. Major "con": Ear Stopples leave slightly waxy feeling
residue behind.
--
Derald
Peninsular FL, USA
USDA 9b
http://www.onlineconversion.com/
KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Mar 14 05:50PM

Anyone found any ear plugs that work? The silicone surface plugs don't seem
to work at all. The foam(?) cylindical ones with the rounded end work very
poorly - quite well if you put your fingers in your ears on top of them but
that's frequently not practical (brand, Mack's). Any I missed? That's all I
saw on the store shelf I tried.
 
I need something that fits in the ear, not on the surface like ear muffs or
headsets with or without music. I want something I can sleep comfortably
with. The sound generators that make surf or rain or whatever sounds don't
help me much.
 
Any suggestions?
 
TIA

 
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Mar 13 11:45PM -0400

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Mar 13 09:25PM -0700

On 03/13/2015 08:45 PM, Michael Black wrote:
 
>> Depends on what you call food. I bet in 1961 a kale salad would have
>> cost a small fortune, while at the same time lobster was poor people
>> food for New Englanders.
 
Are you sure you meant NINETEEN61? I don't think lobster has been cheap
food during my lifetime.
 
>> turkeys can barely stand because of all the breast meat. And an orange
>> in the winter was a such a delicacy they were given as gifts for
>> Christmas.
 
OK, you're definitely not talking about 1961.
 
 
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wilma6116@gmail.com: Mar 13 01:04PM -0700

Depends on what you call food. I bet in 1961 a kale salad would have cost a small fortune, while at the same time lobster was poor people food for New Englanders. Beef used to be cheap, but is no longer. Turkeys used to be a lot bonier than they are today, heck today's turkeys can barely stand because of all the breast meat. And an orange in the winter was a such a delicacy they were given as gifts for Christmas.
 
And then again, what was an average meal in 1961? In 1960, people consumed an average of 600 calories less than they do today, even though my grandmother had no qualms about smearing bacon grease on a slice of Wonder Bread with a glass of whole milk and calling it lunch.
 
Yeah, I think we are comparing oranges with mandarins.
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trader4@optonline.net: Mar 11 05:27PM -0700

> "Little Women" could get away with calling her family "poor" even though
> they had a servant, Hannah.
 
> Lenona.
 
It's not a very valid comparison looking at a family of 18 from 1961,
comparing it to your food budget for one today, and trying to draw
conclusions on relative food prices. You really don't know what
the product mix is. Here's a link that did an
actual item by item comparison of 1960 vs 2008. Overall, the food
prices were about the same when adjusted for inflation.
 
 
http://www.clearpictureonline.com/1960-Food-College-Income.html
 
I'm sure there are other resources on this as well.
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lenona321@yahoo.com: Mar 09 10:32AM -0700

The family?
 
The Beardsleys, of California, as featured in the Lucille Ball movie "Yours,
Mine, and Ours."
 
Before the movie, their story was written by the mother as "Who Gets the
Drumstick?" (Helen was a widow with 8 kids, he was a widower with 10. They
had two more.)
 
In that book (chapter 12), a researcher comes to the house a month after
the wedding in the fall of 1961, to do the math on how they manage. He
concludes that they spend 66 cents a day for food, per person. According to
one inflation calculator, that's $5.15 in 2014 - and another says $5.16 in
2015. (I assume they were strict about not wasting food!)
 
What's interesting, though, is that I DO waste food, unfortunately, but
MY food budget, last December, was $120 a month - or about $4 a day!
 
Also, there was clearly a mistake in the book - the mother said they spent
$450 a month on food, so unless she meant $400, that would be just under
74 cents per person per day (using 365.25 days a year, I mean), not 66 cents!
 
Thoughts? Granted, I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons food might be
cheaper now - someone also once said that in the 19th century, too, food
was pricey but servants were cheap, which was why Louisa May Alcott, in
"Little Women" could get away with calling her family "poor" even though
they had a servant, Hannah.
 
 
Lenona.
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