Frugal Living: Nov 26, 2009

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TOPIC: Has Your Xbox 360 Died On You?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 11:57 pm
From: Ndy

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Go XBox Mad :)

Hendy Nugraha
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TOPIC: Opposition to Obama's destruction of the health care sector is not
about race
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 1:59 pm
From: "Dave C."

On 26 Nov 2009 05:57:41 GMT
Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
> > Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> >> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care
> >> > and access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist
> >> > looters who say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
> >>
> >> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
> >> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
> >> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
> >> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care
> >> such as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
> >
> > So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What
> > passed the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car
> > off a cliff. -Dave
>
> What passed the House is pretty good.

What do you like about it? The fact that nobody will be able to keep
their current insurance coverage? The fact that coverage levels are
specified (read: rationing) by the government? The fact that it's
going to bankrupt our country? The fact that it's going to send a
significant percentage of honest citizens to prison when they can't
afford to pay for it? The fact that it does nothing to address the
real problem of skyrocketing medical costs? The fact that it also does
nothing to fix the problem of frivolous medical lawsuits? What is so
good about it?

> The Senate is doing all it can
> to poison it.
>

I don't think the Senate bill is going to be much better. But if the
Senate bill is significantly different, that could actually be a good
thing, if the two bills can not be reconciled. -Dave

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 3:59 am
From: George

Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>>>> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who
>>>> say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United States
>>> is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our health care of
>>> any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom for most metrics
>>> that determine the quality of our health care such as life expectancy,
>>> infant mortality, etc.
>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed the
>> House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car off a cliff.
>> -Dave
>
> What passed the House is pretty good. The Senate is doing all it can to
> poison it.
>
This is a serious question. You would know that how? I doubt anyone can
understand the 2000 pages of mostly incomprehensible writing with
thousands of references.

I will give Congress credit for something when they can deliver a bill
in about 12 pages with clear and concise tables defining the scope and
conditions allowing anyone to interpret their work.

They should be totally embarrassed about the quality of their work
product. They are insulting their employers (us) and deserve not to be
rehired in the next election.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 4:00 am
From: George

Dave C. wrote:
> On 26 Nov 2009 05:57:41 GMT
> Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care
>>>>> and access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist
>>>>> looters who say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>>>> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>>>> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care
>>>> such as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What
>>> passed the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car
>>> off a cliff. -Dave
>> What passed the House is pretty good.
>
> What do you like about it? The fact that nobody will be able to keep
> their current insurance coverage? The fact that coverage levels are
> specified (read: rationing) by the government? The fact that it's
> going to bankrupt our country? The fact that it's going to send a
> significant percentage of honest citizens to prison when they can't
> afford to pay for it? The fact that it does nothing to address the
> real problem of skyrocketing medical costs? The fact that it also does
> nothing to fix the problem of frivolous medical lawsuits? What is so
> good about it?
>
>> The Senate is doing all it can
>> to poison it.
>>
>
> I don't think the Senate bill is going to be much better. But if the
> Senate bill is significantly different, that could actually be a good
> thing, if the two bills can not be reconciled. -Dave
>
Thats about the best we can hope for at this point.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 8:09 am
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:00:35 -0500, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Dave C. wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2009 05:57:41 GMT
>> Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care
>>>>>> and access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist
>>>>>> looters who say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>>>>> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>>>>> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care
>>>>> such as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What
>>>> passed the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car
>>>> off a cliff. -Dave
>>> What passed the House is pretty good.
>>
>> What do you like about it? The fact that nobody will be able to keep
>> their current insurance coverage? The fact that coverage levels are
>> specified (read: rationing) by the government? The fact that it's
>> going to bankrupt our country? The fact that it's going to send a
>> significant percentage of honest citizens to prison when they can't
>> afford to pay for it? The fact that it does nothing to address the
>> real problem of skyrocketing medical costs? The fact that it also does
>> nothing to fix the problem of frivolous medical lawsuits? What is so
>> good about it?
>>
>>> The Senate is doing all it can
>>> to poison it.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think the Senate bill is going to be much better. But if the
>> Senate bill is significantly different, that could actually be a good
>> thing, if the two bills can not be reconciled. -Dave
>>
>Thats about the best we can hope for at this point.

Looks like it will be a massive gov subsidy to the insurance
companies.
Insurance subsidies is where the cost is, but they hardly mention
that.
Tax-payer subsidies for the low incomes to buy Wall Street health
insurance.
That's what the Reps want in the end - except they would rather see
the low incomes spending 50% of their income than tax money doing it.
And the Dems are so either so weak-headed or bought off they're
falling right in line.
Corporate socialism in the end.
Hope they kill it or get it right. Looks like a mess.

--Vic

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 10:50 am
From: "Rod Speed"

.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! . wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Michael Coburn wrote
>>> Dave C. wrote
>>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and access to it that satisfies most people.
>>>>>> Idiot leftist
>>>>>> looters who say it's about race know they've lost the debate.

>>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank
>>>>> near the bottom for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care such as life expectancy, infant
>>>>> mortality, etc.

>>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by
>>>> pushing the car off a cliff.

>>> What passed the House is pretty good.

>> Nope, its just fiddling with the detail of the completely fucked insurance system.

>> The only thing that works is a decent universal single payer system.

> Bulk-billing has its merits.

There's a hell of a lot more involved in a decent health care system than bulk billing.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 11:02 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:59:44 -0500, George wrote:

> Michael Coburn wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>>>>> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who
>>>>> say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>>>> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>>>> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care such
>>>> as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed
>>> the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car off a
>>> cliff. -Dave
>>
>> What passed the House is pretty good. The Senate is doing all it can
>> to poison it.
>>
> This is a serious question. You would know that how? I doubt anyone can
> understand the 2000 pages of mostly incomprehensible writing with
> thousands of references.

I have _NO_ doubt that the members of the Senate understand what is in
the Senate bill. That is their job. That is what they were elected to
do. Putting the actual bill on line is ridiculous in that the vast
majority of the people who access to it are incapable of understanding
it. Each Senator has a staff of individuals that go through that bill
with a fine tooth comb and who know the references or can easily find
them. Each Senator is therefore acutely aware of the ramifications of
the bill.

> I will give Congress credit for something when they can deliver a bill
> in about 12 pages with clear and concise tables defining the scope and
> conditions allowing anyone to interpret their work.

The House bill is well summarized on line.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AHCAA-
DETAILEDSUMMARY-102909.pdf

The Senate bill is compared here :
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/11/18/cbo-senate-bill/

> They should be totally embarrassed about the quality of their work
> product. They are insulting their employers (us) and deserve not to be
> rehired in the next election.

We observe your moronic childishness and recognize that you are a
Republican.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 11:05 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:29:26 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> Michael Coburn wrote
>> Dave C. wrote
>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote
>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>>>>> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who
>>>>> say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>
>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>>>> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>>>> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care such
>>>> as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>
>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed
>>> the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car off a
>>> cliff.
>
>> What passed the House is pretty good.
>
> Nope, its just fiddling with the detail of the completely fucked
> insurance system.
>
> The only thing that works is a decent universal single payer system.
>
>> The Senate is doing all it can to poison it.

If it was possible to get a Canadian style system through the larcenous,
bought and paid for US Senate then that is what the House would have done
because that is what the majority want. Politics is the art of the
possible.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 11:42 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:00:35 -0500, George wrote:

> Dave C. wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2009 05:57:41 GMT
>> Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>>>>>> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who
>>>>>> say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>>>>> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>>>>> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care such
>>>>> as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed
>>>> the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car off a
>>>> cliff. -Dave
>>> What passed the House is pretty good.
>>
>> What do you like about it? The fact that nobody will be able to keep
>> their current insurance coverage? The fact that coverage levels are
>> specified (read: rationing) by the government? The fact that it's
>> going to bankrupt our country? The fact that it's going to send a
>> significant percentage of honest citizens to prison when they can't
>> afford to pay for it? The fact that it does nothing to address the
>> real problem of skyrocketing medical costs? The fact that it also does
>> nothing to fix the problem of frivolous medical lawsuits? What is so
>> good about it?
>>
>>> The Senate is doing all it can
>>> to poison it.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think the Senate bill is going to be much better. But if the
>> Senate bill is significantly different, that could actually be a good
>> thing, if the two bills can not be reconciled. -Dave
>>
> Thats about the best we can hope for at this point.

I want a "reconciliation" of the two bills in fact. If "reconciliation"
is supposed to be immune to cloture rules then lets get on with it.

Otherwise:

http://GreaterVoice.org/60

Elections have consequences.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 11:51 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:00:35 -0500, George <george@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Dave C. wrote:
>>> On 26 Nov 2009 05:57:41 GMT
>>> Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>>>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>>>>>>> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters
>>>>>>> who say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>>>>>> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>>>>>> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>>>>>> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>>>>>> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care such
>>>>>> as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>>>>> So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed
>>>>> the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car off a
>>>>> cliff. -Dave
>>>> What passed the House is pretty good.
>>>
>>> What do you like about it? The fact that nobody will be able to keep
>>> their current insurance coverage? The fact that coverage levels are
>>> specified (read: rationing) by the government? The fact that it's
>>> going to bankrupt our country? The fact that it's going to send a
>>> significant percentage of honest citizens to prison when they can't
>>> afford to pay for it? The fact that it does nothing to address the
>>> real problem of skyrocketing medical costs? The fact that it also
>>> does nothing to fix the problem of frivolous medical lawsuits? What
>>> is so good about it?
>>>
>>>> The Senate is doing all it can
>>>> to poison it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think the Senate bill is going to be much better. But if the
>>> Senate bill is significantly different, that could actually be a good
>>> thing, if the two bills can not be reconciled. -Dave
>>>
>>Thats about the best we can hope for at this point.
>
> Looks like it will be a massive gov subsidy to the insurance companies.

Without a good Public Option that may indeed be the case.

> Insurance subsidies is where the cost is, but they hardly mention that.

Insurance subsidies move the cost of care for the poor from the middle
class to the rich. That is what the House bill undeniably does. The
costs of the uninsured are currently borne by the middle class as those
costs are shifted to the insurance companies.

> Tax-payer subsidies for the low incomes to buy Wall Street health
> insurance.

And so long as thee is a NON PROFIT Highly Transparent Public Option then
the insurance companies cannot gouge the public.

> That's what the Reps want in the end - except they would rather see the
> low incomes spending 50% of their income than tax money doing it. And
> the Dems are so either so weak-headed or bought off they're falling
> right in line.

The Dems are a tad smarter than the Republicans on this one.

> Corporate socialism in the end.
> Hope they kill it or get it right. Looks like a mess.

The Senate is doing all that can to destroy the real benefits of the plan:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/11/18/cbo-senate-bill/

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 11:51 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:59:24 +0800, Dave C. wrote:

> On 26 Nov 2009 05:57:41 GMT
> Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:17:08 +0800, Dave C. wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:05 -0500
>> > Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> >> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>> >> > access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters
>> >> > who say it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>> >>
>> >> Geez! Isn't it obvious that the health care system in the United
>> >> States is imploding? We Americans pay the highest rates for our
>> >> health care of any westernized nation, yet we rank near the bottom
>> >> for most metrics that determine the quality of our health care such
>> >> as life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
>> >
>> > So you think we should fix it by making it a lot worse? What passed
>> > the House amounts to fixing a flat tire by pushing the car off a
>> > cliff. -Dave
>>
>> What passed the House is pretty good.
>
> What do you like about it? The fact that nobody will be able to keep
> their current insurance coverage?

The Republican method for all things not strictly Republican is to lie,
and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. And then lie about the
lying.

> The fact that coverage levels are
> specified (read: rationing) by the government?

Yes! I very much like the idea that government will be regulating snake
oil and that a package that says "Health Insurance" on it must actually
contain health insurance.

> The fact that it's
> going to bankrupt our country?

The Republican method for all things not strictly Republican is to lie,
and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. And then lie about the
lying.

But I must admit that the Republicans certainly do have the experience
edge on this "bankrupt the country" stuff. You lying sacks of tax
cutting shit have been doing it since Reagan.

> The fact that it's going to send a
> significant percentage of honest citizens to prison when they can't
> afford to pay for it?

The Republican method for all things not strictly Republican is to lie,
and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. And then lie about the
lying.

But maybe it isn't a lie. Maybe you really are the stone cold stupid.

> The fact that it does nothing to address the real
> problem of skyrocketing medical costs?

The Republican method for all things not strictly Republican is to lie,
and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. And then lie about the
lying.

The Public Option in conjunction with Medicare and Medicaid will, in
fact, reduce the cost of provider services -- "control skyrocketing
medical costs."

> The fact that it also does
> nothing to fix the problem of frivolous medical lawsuits?

It also does nothing to end the war, establish world peace, arrest all
illegal aliens, and send a thanksgiving dinner to the moon.

> What is so
> good about it?

The NUMBER ONE good is:
It moves the burden for indigent care from the middle class insurance
premium payers to the rich with incomes greater than a million a year. By
subsidizing insurance for those who currently depend on "free" care that
is then cost shifted to the middle class insurance buyers, the bill
reduces the cost of medical insurance for the middle class. Those who had
to rely on "free" care will now be covered by insurance that is
subsidized by the rich and less "FREE" care will be shifted onto the
middle class.

But you aren't actually smart enough to understand that and you are
following along with you nose firmly planted in the ass crack of your
fearless Republican lead liar.

>> The Senate is doing all it can
>> to poison it.
>>
>>
> I don't think the Senate bill is going to be much better. But if the
> Senate bill is significantly different, that could actually be a good
> thing, if the two bills can not be reconciled. -Dave

I hope that "reconciled" means what it says. A simple majority vote on
the "reconciliation" of the two bills. In that case we may get a decent
bill.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 12:45 am
From: frater mus

Gregory wrote:

> people? "Science" is just a different religion that also requires
> believing in something that you cannot see.

Or, to put it a different and reality-based way, believing in something
you can test, predict, and replicate.

--
brother mouse
composed offline and synced later.
http://www.mousetrap.net/mouse/offline.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 10:51 am
From: "Rod Speed"

frater mus wrote
> Gregory wrote

>> people? "Science" is just a different religion that also requires believing in something that you cannot see.

> Or, to put it a different and reality-based way, believing in something you can test, predict, and replicate.

And realising that some things like radioactive decay arent that predictable too.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 5:06 am
From: Robert of St Louis

On Oct 9, 1:41 am, "Gle...@teranews.com" <Ga...@comcast.net> wrote:
> LOL, an ignorant, simple and feeble minded, gutless, fat ass loser,failure,
> and typical hillbilly fuckup
> attempting to interpret the constitution,
>
> hey gomer, stick to the back of the Budweiser bottles, and the nascar pages
> of the
> picayune daily"K" <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote in message
>
> news:H6-dnV8bj9V8rlPXnZ2dnUVZ_vBi4p2d@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
> > The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
> > services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of the
> > United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.- Hide quoted text -

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 7:07 am
From: Ohioguy

I have 2 options now:

1- muffler brothers - probably about $160

2 - my neighbor, who works on brakes, mufflers and such, says he will be
home with his kids this weekend, and they would enjoy working on
something like this. He has an air chisel, and various other tools that
could be needed, depending on how easy things come apart. I think my
son would also enjoy working on something like this, so it would be a
learning/fun project for several of us. I checked locally, and I can
get a muffler for $50-$60. Then I could give my neighbor $50 for the
trouble, and buy a couple of pizzas for everybody, and STILL end up
saving about 50 bucks. I'm sort of tempted to go this second route.

Oh, and yes, we have the '69 Ford Econoline as a backup vehicle, but
also have a 2001 Buick. Having 1 vehicle out of commission for a week
is not much trouble.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 7:28 am
From: Al

On Nov 26, 10:07 am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> I have 2 options now:
>
> 1- muffler brothers - probably about $160
>
> 2 - my neighbor, who works on brakes, mufflers and such, says he will be
> home with his kids this weekend, and they would enjoy working on
> something like this. He has an air chisel, and various other tools that
> could be needed, depending on how easy things come apart. I think my
> son would also enjoy working on something like this, so it would be a
> learning/fun project for several of us. I checked locally, and I can
> get a muffler for $50-$60. Then I could give my neighbor $50 for the
> trouble, and buy a couple of pizzas for everybody, and STILL end up
> saving about 50 bucks. I'm sort of tempted to go this second route.
>
> Oh, and yes, we have the '69 Ford Econoline as a backup vehicle, but
> also have a 2001 Buick. Having 1 vehicle out of commission for a week
> is not much trouble.

Remember, you have a 15 year old vehicle. If you don't know the age of
those other parts, they almost certainly need changing also or will
very soon and the newer muffler might get damaged in that scenario.
This is not really an educational type of repair. It's just dirty and
messy. If you have a child under 16, it could also be a source of
danger for him and irresponsible to the hilt on your part. I'm not
surprised one bit either. The pizza itself is a serious enough health
risk.
Based upon your own numbers you will have $125 in this repair. I can
only conclude that your time is worth almost nothing.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 10:01 am
From: a real cheapskate

On Nov 26, 10:28�am, Al <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 10:07�am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > � �I have 2 options now:
>
> > 1- muffler brothers - probably about $160
>
> > 2 - my neighbor, who works on brakes, mufflers and such, says he will be
> > home with his kids this weekend, and they would enjoy working on
> > something like this. �He has an air chisel, and various other tools that
> > could be needed, depending on how easy things come apart. �I think my
> > son would also enjoy working on something like this, so it would be a
> > learning/fun project for several of us. �I checked locally, and I can
> > get a muffler for $50-$60. �Then I could give my neighbor $50 for the
> > trouble, and buy a couple of pizzas for everybody, and STILL end up
> > saving about 50 bucks. �I'm sort of tempted to go this second route.
>
> > � �Oh, and yes, we have the '69 Ford Econoline as a backup vehicle, but
> > also have a 2001 Buick. �Having 1 vehicle out of commission for a week
> > is not much trouble.
>
> Remember, you have a 15 year old vehicle. If you don't know the age of
> those other parts, they almost certainly need changing also or will
> very soon and the newer muffler might get damaged in that scenario.
> This is not really an educational type of repair. It's just dirty and
> messy. If you have a child under 16, it could also be a source of
> danger for him and irresponsible to the hilt on your part. I'm not
> surprised one bit either. The pizza itself is a serious enough health
> risk.
> Based upon your own numbers you will have $125 in this repair. I can
> only conclude that your time is worth almost nothing.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

replace everything from the conveter on back, its all rusted together
etc.

the larger hassle is getting the vehicle high enough and the
suspension free enough to get the new main pipe in.

its easy with a sawzall to cut the old pipe into pieces. but hard to
snake the new pipe in place

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 10:55 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Ohioguy wrote:
> I have 2 options now:
>
> 1- muffler brothers - probably about $160
>
> 2 - my neighbor, who works on brakes, mufflers and such, says he will
> be home with his kids this weekend, and they would enjoy working on
> something like this. He has an air chisel, and various other tools
> that could be needed, depending on how easy things come apart. I
> think my son would also enjoy working on something like this, so it
> would be a learning/fun project for several of us. I checked
> locally, and I can get a muffler for $50-$60. Then I could give my
> neighbor $50 for the trouble, and buy a couple of pizzas for
> everybody, and STILL end up saving about 50 bucks. I'm sort of
> tempted to go this second route.

I'd certainly go that route myself, except that I'd get a decent stainless
steel muffler to maximise the time when you need to do it again if you
are likely to still have that car at the time a cheapy will need replacing.

> Oh, and yes, we have the '69 Ford Econoline as a backup vehicle, but
> also have a 2001 Buick. Having 1 vehicle out of commission for a week
> is not much trouble.

Yeah, its a pain doing major work without something to run around and get parts with etc.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 12:02 pm
From: Al

On Nov 26, 1:01 pm, a real cheapskate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 10:28 am, Al <albun...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 26, 10:07 am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
> > > I have 2 options now:
>
> > > 1- muffler brothers - probably about $160
>
> > > 2 - my neighbor, who works on brakes, mufflers and such, says he will be
> > > home with his kids this weekend, and they would enjoy working on
> > > something like this. He has an air chisel, and various other tools that
> > > could be needed, depending on how easy things come apart. I think my
> > > son would also enjoy working on something like this, so it would be a
> > > learning/fun project for several of us. I checked locally, and I can
> > > get a muffler for $50-$60. Then I could give my neighbor $50 for the
> > > trouble, and buy a couple of pizzas for everybody, and STILL end up
> > > saving about 50 bucks. I'm sort of tempted to go this second route.
>
> > > Oh, and yes, we have the '69 Ford Econoline as a backup vehicle, but
> > > also have a 2001 Buick. Having 1 vehicle out of commission for a week
> > > is not much trouble.
>
> > Remember, you have a 15 year old vehicle. If you don't know the age of
> > those other parts, they almost certainly need changing also or will
> > very soon and the newer muffler might get damaged in that scenario.
> > This is not really an educational type of repair. It's just dirty and
> > messy. If you have a child under 16, it could also be a source of
> > danger for him and irresponsible to the hilt on your part. I'm not
> > surprised one bit either. The pizza itself is a serious enough health
> > risk.
> > Based upon your own numbers you will have $125 in this repair. I can
> > only conclude that your time is worth almost nothing.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> replace everything from the conveter on back, its all rusted together
> etc.
>
> the larger hassle is getting the vehicle high enough and the
> suspension free enough to get the new main pipe in.
>
> its easy with a sawzall to cut the old pipe into pieces. but hard to
> snake the new pipe in place

OG obviously has zero automotive repair experience in this area
anyway. He does not realize what has happened under there after all
these years. I'd love to inspect all three of his vehicles. I can
almost promise there are several pending issues and safety defects. At
least with the front wheel drive on the Caravan, he would not have to
worry about a rear axle.
I just checked NAPA and there Quiet Flow muffler is $129. The other
parts are quite expensive too. This is going to be interesting if we
ever hear the final result of this venture.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 9:22 am
From: A VFW

maybe you don't know how they suffer from prejudice.
Being judged by superficialities can be damaging .
from my personal point of view, have some compassion.
OK?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 26 2009 11:41 am
From: Al

On Nov 26, 12:22 pm, A VFW <georgesp...@toast.net> wrote:
> maybe you don't know how they suffer from prejudice.
> Being judged by superficialities can be damaging .
> from my personal point of view, have some compassion.
> OK?

Years ago they asked the Reverend Ike how he felt about driving a
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poor.
The reverend's answer was, "The best thing I can do for the poor is
not be one of them."

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